So, I'm trying to get into symphonies. Much of the classical music I've been listening to so far has been noob friendly shorter pieces, but I love the experience of going on a journey when I commit to a symphony or some other longer piece and it really clicks. So far, I really like stuff like Dvorak's No. 9 (New World), Shostakovich's No. 7 (Leningrad), and Borodin's No. 2. Can someone recommend some more symphonies that might be to my taste, with a similar blend of bombast and wistful, lyrical passages? Admittedly, my tastes skew unapologetically toward the Romantic.
I also have a collection of Brahms that I'm slowly working my way through, but I'm undecided at the moment as to which symphonies really stand out to me.
Justin Price
gorecki
Dominic Cooper
I'm gonna type out the lyrics to a Beethoven quartet, let's see if you can guess what it is
wrightmusic.net/pdfs/scriabin-and-mental-illness.pdf >(about scriabin) He was certainly into the occult and it's sexual liberty. He was sexually active way before his teenage years and said that, at this time, he had ploughed through many a new and unsullied furrow. Many little girls were sexually humiliated by him. Because he was short in stature, he had to be big in other ways and his greatest interest in life earned him the nickname of Pussy. He was a predator around women and girls all his life from about the age of eight. >I remember a musician being asked why he played the Bridge Sonata. "Because I was commissioned to and it paid very well" was his reply. "But did you enjoy the piece?" "Certainly not, its a dreadful piece." >Let us take Chopin, in one of his piano works in D flat he has an extended passage chock-a-block with accidentals and sharps which is difficult to read and a hindrance to the pianist. All he had to do was change the key signature to E major >In both Scriabin and Chopin they don't understand the difference between B double flat and A or F double sharp and G natural. >Take as another example, Szymanowski's Piano Sonata 2. In a quick bar of 4/4, the dynamics range from pppp to ffff without a pause and within that bar in two seconds. >Scriabin was effeminate and that is a worrying mental condition. >A Scriabin prelude lasting 40 seconds which has nothing to say is hardly good music and certainly not great music Honestly one of the most god tier trolls I've ever read. He insults a classic Bridge Sonata, a classic Szymanowski Sonata, Chopins work and calls Scriabin a pedo and fag in a single article. Then says Scriabin didn't know the difference between double sharped notes and their natural equivalent which his music is full of strict harmony based on octatonic subsets. Based asshurt Rach fan troll
>Scriabin was effeminate and that is a worrying mental condition
I figured this on my own just by listening to his music. How can someone take him seriously?
Benjamin Powell
Most Mahler fans are pretty casual. I actually used to hate mahler but just now started appreciating his music. Still can't enjoy 2, 5 and 6 though.
Based. Holst was a pretty bad composer honestly besides a couple pieces. The Planets of course is great, Terzetto is a great polytonal study and St. Pauls suite is charming but most of his other work is boring regressive late romantic trash just like most British music. Why listen to Holst when Bridge, Finzi and Ralph Vaughan Williams did his style better?
>I figured this on my own just by listening to his music. How can someone take him seriously? Most romantic music is effeminate lmao. Listen to Chopin and Lizst and honestly tell me they're any more masculine than Scriabin. I'd hardly call his late work effeminate either.
Dylan Foster
i really love tchaikovsky he's my favorite composer as of now. he's the first composer i've gotten heavily into. who is another great composer in the same vein as tchaikovsky in terms of catchy and endearing melodies
Ian Barnes
Rach, Rimsky-Korsakov, Borodin etc.
Aiden Sanchez
thanks man. giving korsakov a listen. Scheherazade
Adam Sanchez
lento from scheherazade is blowing my mind
Connor Gray
Karajan is mediocre at best in Beethoven.
Christopher Wilson
>Offenbach Often Bach
Aiden Evans
you have to think on the holocaust in mahler's 6th
Daily reminder that highly opinionated music """critics""" have nothing profound to say or do in their lives so they waste their jealousy and bitterness on writing trite like this that no sane person would enjoy reading.
>catchy and endearing melodies Here are a few that really resonated with me: Brahms - Hungarian Dances Dvorak - Slavonic Dances Grieg - Peer Gynt Suite Smetana - Ma Vlast
Leo Brooks
Thing is, there are composers that are widely enjoyed by plebs, specially Mozart, Beethoven and Vivaldi. But they are enjoyed by knowledgeable people as well, there's nothing plebeian about their works.
Jack Campbell
I postes that like months ago and holy shit we keke hard
David Brooks
Best version of 'The Planets'? Whoever really captures the Spirit of each planet.
Does it require perfect pitch though? The only violinists I know personally that are capable of playing anything by ear have perfect pitch. I started learning it as an adult so I don't think I'm capable.
Had such perfect control of music that he does things like polytonality in independent manners that most would only come close to achieving in the 20th Century. >see: that one scene from Don Giovanni where the orchestra is in one key and an on stage chamber ensemble is playing a bunch of popular pieces in their original keys, which is pretty much just an utter flex
mastered the structures and forms such that they have a comfy balance of interest and repetition mastered the use of the instruments he had at the time for me he also found a sweetspot between harmonic and melodic tension and peace all subjective of-course
John Nguyen
Schlusnus
Ryan Wilson
>based shostakovich turbodabbing on stalin I got a kick out of this video analyzing how Shostakovich did this. youtube.com/watch?v=MCxzMYVvHBg
Gabriel Price
how many IQ do I need for monteverdi?
Jonathan Walker
can someone post a good Bartok piece pls?
Angel Lopez
seethe harder kthnxbai
Robert Barnes
Fuck nazi white people music shit i am all about real black hood shit fucking smug 11yo whities
Best recording of Le sacre du primtemps on youtube?
Logan Smith
How do you pronounce Dvořák?
Jack Roberts
ˈdvor̝aːk
Ryan Anderson
should I listen looking at the score?
Thomas Ross
I like listening first and then if I hear something that makes me curious about "how it's done" I look at the score. I haven't really found much value in looking at the score straightaway. What do you other fuckers usally do?
Grayson Sanchez
Favorite Haydn symphonies lads?
Camden Perez
I'd say yes based on that he recorded a few of his sonatas and played them in acceptable manner. If he didn't like a composer he didn't touch it at all or played their pieces in an awful mocking way. There's a youtube of him playing a Chopin sonata and he shits on it big time lol
Connor Thomas
Lol yeah, it almost seems like he respected Brahms even more than Bach in that sense. Look at his recording of the Intermezzos and compare it to some really autistic recordings of Bach(E flat minor prelude WTC 1 comes to mind). That Brahms recording doesn't sound Gouldian at all.
Kevin Reed
Duvojak
Jaxon Walker
Listening to this right now. I still remember when I came home with an old copy of this record from a local library sale. It was my first big haul of classical recordings, and I discovered some really amazing stuff. When I came home with the stack, this was on top. My mother thought it said "Beethoven Erotica," combined with the nude, reclining figure with limp penis prominently on display, so she had to comment disapprovingly on the smut I'd brought home.
The theme is quite nice and beautifully played, but he moves it around in a somewhat cliched way. sounds too much like pattern playng. the bridge is not pretty, a greater composer would have made this moment beautiful and melodious
Now that NPR is reviewing "Indage Emingagua live from Kinshasa" like it's "The Rite of Spring" and spending 15 minutes discussing "the most important woman of color artist of the 21st century--JunglePussy" you dont get many posers around these parts anymore
Noah Murphy
Sorry but I'm not a boomer and I dislike so much hiss recordings
Adrian Cook
WOW thank you for posting this OP! great intro to art music for me
just an interesting find from a friend of mine at the library youtube.com/watch?v=Kxq-RD6Odg0 what is this "style" or sound called? specifically in the beginning. love it. reminds me of the joker's theme from the dark night. just wailing and scratching
Easton Gutierrez
dilate tranny
Hudson Miller
literally pick any piece
Chase Nelson
duh-vor-zjock
Carson Torres
not sure but its actually decent. thought it would be a meme from looking at the score. uses microtones in a unique way. reminds me of that johnston string quartet that got popular because of adam neely
Benjamin Roberts
>composer begins as a late romantic >later develops a unique harmonic palate >plebs only want to hear their early romantic work >composers get frustrated many such cases!
I agree user, Bartok would indeed be very jealous of Jonny's prodigious talent.
Mason Foster
I think the johnston string quartets got popular because kepler finally finished recording the cycle
Jonathan Edwards
Schoenberg, Webern, Scriabin, Szymanowski... did I miss anyone?
Grayson Miller
Frank Bridge. My post was aimed at Bridge, Szymanowski and Scriabin mostly. Their romantic works really are nothing compared to their late music youtube.com/watch?v=LBSaNJ8cqtA
mega links are not enough, need more music. where can i download more masses of classical goodness?
Eli Bailey
Schubert lived straight in Vienna all his life, brainlet
Christopher Lewis
Austrians didn't exist until the early 20th century, try again. There wasn't a mark of Austrian (national) consciousness in the time of all those composers and Schubert didn't contribute to the "Austrian national style", but to the Germanic national style. Austrians adopted these composers as their own but that doesn't make them Austrian per se. Recontextualize immediately.
Ryder Torres
see , ahistorical brainlet. Liszt was also a Germanic composer though, you're almost right there. The guy couldn't even talk Hungarian and only adopted te "Hungarian" style (gypsy) musical idioms to spice up his own compositions.
Jonathan Cook
Sure, and will that give Switzerland any more culture? Way to miss the point you autists.
Germany, Italy and France didn't exist until the 19th century either, ahistorical brainlet.
David Scott
It's obvious you don't study history so I wouldn't talk about things I'm not certain about if I were you. A French national consciousness AND musical style/idiom was created in the late 18th century, specifically after the French Revolution; not to mention a small consciousness of Italian state creation existed already in the days of Machiavelli. Germany was late to the party, Austrians didn't exist until the early 20th century. These are facts, ahistorical brainlet.
Anybody know any colored composers? apple music has hidden away all non-white classical composers to keep us from ascending above white people. there are none in the mega folders, which forces me to assume you either do not know of any yourself because the "powers that be" AKA rich british men have kept them secret from you guys or you are part of that covenant and wish to deprive the world of true music.
Ian Brooks
Look buddy, you've no idea what you're talking about. Linking random Wikipedia articles that feature the word "Austria" doesn't constitute an argument. Modern national consciousness in the majority of cases didn't exist until the late 19th century. Austria is a very new nation.
Jason Bennett
I'm pretty sure you can find Mozart and Beethoven recordings in the folder my brother
Colton Ortiz
Tell me what empire fought alongside the German and Ottoman Empires in WWI, oh great historian.
Elijah Morgan
>Modern national consciousness in the majority of cases didn't exist until the late 19th century. Then basically none of the nationalities listed count, not just Austria, but your autistic ass would only like to apply that to one specific case you don't like, gotcha.
Nathaniel Sanders
You don't seem to grasp the concept of what a national consciousness is and the fact that the Austrians were thought of as a Germanic tribe (like the Prussians or Bavarians for example). They were ruled by Habsburgs which were originally a Swiss noble family. There was no "Austrian national consciousness" nor was there a modern nation. Neither Haydn nor Bruckner were Austrians and nobody inbetween them. >it's in the name derrr I can't grasp any sort of context hurrr I bet you think national socialists are socialists as well.
Logan Nelson
I said in the majority of cases. Italy and France had a bit of national consciousness way before. Saying Bach and Beethoven are German is also rather silly.
Adrian Baker
>make post against the satanic swiss pedophiles having no history >you faggots turn it into a debate over austria instead Way to get the point flying ten thousand feet over your head, mouthbreathing retards
Jonathan Torres
Nobody cares about you faggot
Mason White
>national socialists are socialists Sure they were, your commie ass doesn't have a monopoly over socialism.
Eli Lopez
kek and north korea is a democratic people's republic as well eh fellow intellectual
They were state socialists, certainly not free market capitalists or corporatist like Italy either
Brody Ramirez
I too get all my information from wikipedia article names
Tyler Lewis
>systematically privatise almost all of your industry >outlaw left leaning parties including the communist party >abolish trade unions in order to subordinate your working class to German industrialists and round up and execute leftists of all types But a name selected long before the leader of your party responsible for all of this is more than enough proof for the fact-based to conclude that you were, indeed, socialists.
>6. The quality of posts is extremely important to this community.
Caleb Bennett
lel thanks for making me laugh, look at the last thirty something posts and try to find a single post with quality
Nathan Ward
laughing extremely loudly
Sebastian Ward
I've listened them to death over the past three years ending in 2018 so i could get a gauge of their expression on their life in the foreign world of Europe. Had they been alive to see their image today they would weep. To see liveliness so quickly put out and covered with bleached skin and white wigs, preventing true vibrancy to come forward. Thank you for your suggestion, but I'm looking for african artists other than these two, as I am looking for something fresh. perhaps contemporary.
it's boring to subhumans too dumb to even ask a grammatically correct question
Caleb Harris
You didn't even LAUGH when you listened to Haydn? Oh my GOD, I remember laughing SO HARD when I listened to Haydn, he's truly funny - don't you know Haydn was heard LAUGHING when he wrote his works?
Nolan Wood
based
Noah Smith
Stop pretending to be me Sergio, go to your shitty channel and upload those Obscure Symphonies
Can anyone help me find a decent recording of Dvorak's Armida? Or any of his operas other than Jakobim and Rusalka for that matter. Do recordings of Dimitrij or The Cunning Peasant even exist?
Is there any sort of 'standard' as to how large the string section should be in Beethoven's 9th? What would be the typical size of the string section in symphonies at the time?
Ian Martinez
Ok this is driving me crazy What's the piece at the beginning that they are singing? I know it is a piano piece, but I can't remember which one. youtu.be/Vjd8DfUorpU
Jason Cook
>The Tragedy of Man Ghoul has good taste wtf? Oh nevermind.
Is Vivaldi worth getting into? Never bothered with him because I always saw him as a kind of easy listening 1 hit wonder because everybody had a cd of the 4 seasons when I was a kid.
David Phillips
Gershwin wrote some of the best popular songs ever, but you still don't see people talking about that on this pop saturated board
Gabriel Ortiz
sure I don't
Adam Martin
>It would be more accurate to say that Vivaldi had five hundred ideas for a concerto, and that none of them ever was fully worked out. It is only after his wonderful opening bars, his extraordinary beginnings (which taught J. S. Bach so much), that his concertos bog down and begin to resemble each other in the deployment of harmonic cliches-cliches which would not matter (as they do not matter in Handel) if the large harmonic form were coherent and interesting, the cliches given a sense of direction and movement instead of a feeling of jogging on a treadmill. Vivaldi's operas are coming in for attention now: the same faults and virtues are manifest there. The arias begin strikingly, but continue with little of Handel's energy, Bach's intensity, or Alessandro Scarlatti's subtlety. These deficiencies are less crippling here: an aria is generally much shorter than a concerto movement. In comparing Vivaldi to Bach and Handel, some of his admirers (Marc Pincherle, for example) either refused to face his weaknesses, or else-what is worse-they never understood the strengths of the already established masters.
