>someone mentions they like scriabin >its always early scriabin why do people do this
John Watson
Go to Hillary Hahn's Bach recital this Wednesday instead. No jk, I would choose Schumann because of the conductor F-X Roth, I don't know how Ades conducts Beethoven. All concerts are transmitted live on BBC Radio 3 and can be listened to (and downloaded with youtube-dl) for 30 days on their website. Videos are geoblocked, so you need a VPN. Some people upload some concerts on youtube, it takes a few days before they take it down. Last night of the proms is shown around the world, so maybe you can watch it. Nevertheless the music programmed by the BBC orchestras is mostly shit filled with new works of female composers for the sake of political correctness, so my focus will be on the guest orchestras.
Adrian Nguyen
This is the greatest shit I've ever seen... Didn't even know the recording of the 40th was for a lecture.
I hate ver, she's so goddamn perfect that sounds like a robot
Elijah Allen
As Lenny said, the goal of his studies in this series is a high one so you have to excuse some leaps of faith or speculation. I think there's a deeper truth in music.
Justin Cruz
There are some things I like about this, her intonation is great and everything is clean There are also some things that I really REALLY dislike Her tempo is occasionally glacial to the point of being tedious. I don't mind it everywhere, in fact she uses the speed to good effect especially in the chaconne, but there are a couple spots that are obnoxious But the more major issue is her phrasing. She plays so goddamn evenly in the pattern parts (like many of the arpeggios) that it just sounds like she's playing an etude. This is a bizarre and nonmusical effect. I'd take a less-controlled player with musicality any day over this. Hopefully when she grows up she'll improve, as this playing is very technically impressive. I would also like to strangle all the hack producers of the world who think solo violin is improved by cheap reverb
Joshua Harris
>I would also like to strangle all the hack producers of the world who think solo violin is improved by cheap reverb THIS
Good recording overall: the first symphony has better recordings (especially the Rozhdestvensky one) but the No.13 is pretty good, nice and clean, even better that Svetlanov's only available recording of this work until now.
serialism was the worst thing to ever happen to music and thats coming from a fan of modern classical
Lucas Adams
I thing you're misunderstanding serialism with the ridiculous elitism that some persons (aka Copland, Boulez, etc) who pushed for some exclusive aesthetic or personal perspective on music. That happened with serialism and that happens today with minimalism
Grayson Bell
I guess so. It's just that serialism isn't done well besides a couple of standout composers. There are so many third-rate serialist composers that all write the same meandering atonal garbage. Listening to Ruth Crawford Seeger for example, it all just the same shit. It never goes anywhere. It's boring and there's no emotional value or aesthetics being evoked. It's like writing music as a flex and not for emotional value and storytelling. Dissonant composers such as Bartok, late Scriabin, Ives, Schnittke and Ginastera there is movement and the harmony is used like bright colours on a palate, but in serialism it's like painting a grisaille.
>There are anti-Semitic passages in Atterberg's correspondence and use of language, particularly evident in disputes with the composer Moses Pergament, a music critic for Svenska Dagbladet. In a 1923 letter to Pergament, Atterberg wrote: “That you could launch yourself as a Swedish composer I could not dream of… To date, you are in principle a fundamentally pure Jewish composer, so why not in name too?" The dispute between the two composers stemmed from their diametrically different artistic tendencies and the fact that Atterberg was a leading personality in the Swedish music scene and a proponent of the romantic national identity; whereas Pergament, together with Gösta Nystroem and Hilding Rosenberg, was inclined to a more modernist wing. Based Atterberg
Justin Morales
>Ruth Crawford Seeger >third-rate Shut up retard.
Angel Williams
no, serialism as a whole is an abomination. it is the same constructivist, post-modern shit that infected every form of art and the humanities in the early 20th century. "every note is equally important in every scale" is so dumb, it's laughable. the rejection of natural order is a very jewish tradition, look up the revolutionary spirit. music is not a subjective matter, yes there can be different tastes and deviations but it's like with the beauty of a woman. of course you can argue about how you like blondes better than brunettes or even how you love certain imperfections but nobody can honestly find a victim of an acid attack attractive. and if they try to sell you the idea that everything has equal rights to declare itself beautiful, then it's pure subversion of culture. there's an infinitely big pool of music that can exist and therefore already exists, it is the objective of the composer to find the gems that fit natural standards of beauty.
what are the natural standards of beauty in music? and if you think it's tonality, how strict should one be with tonality? is ravel's music too far? how about tristan und isolde? or gesualdo's music?
He said you can have atonality but it should be based in an underlying harmony. There's definitely a cutoff when most serialism becomes just arbitrary, senseless noise. The art is to playfully walk the line, of course you don't want to play only the same 4 harmonic chords over and over
Dominic Harris
> Schulhoff was born in Prague into a German-Jewish family every time
Henry King
oshit
Nolan Johnson
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Charles Hughes
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Blake Adams
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Ethan Martinez
Does /classical/ want a gift? Oh wait, nobody cares
Jayden Johnson
Captcha doesn't want me to post on red boards for some reason, posting here >Because Bach discovered polyphonic music and it revolutionised music, which prior to that was like Gregorian chants. Interestingly Bach was shut out of the mainstream for nearly 20 years after he died. The ruling class have an innate sense of what is good and organise to censor it. Similar happened with Mozart with his Marriage of Figaro attacked by thugs working for the ruling class.
So? Have you heard it full before judging the work?
Brayden Davis
I have heard about these recordings and searched for them but never found them available before, thank you for posting this. seems like they put producer's graffiti on them though I'm so glad I'm not the only one
Thomas Cooper
there is some similarity but the rhythms are different, and obviously the paganini theme is in minor while the beethoven is in major. the harmonic rhythm (the way the motive modulates) of the paganini piece is quite different too
William Martin
chopin is just a beethoven on the wrong notes
Matthew Perez
>watches one TwoSet video
Aiden Jackson
this
Gabriel Campbell
>very jewish tradition oh fuck off, the whole western world went crazy over serialism because it was so revolutionary berg and webern were not jewish and berg is probably more popular with modern audiences, including jewish ones, than schoenberg serialism may have been a mistake but it's a very natural one, and it accomplished a clear goal: the exploration of remaining resources in the 12-tone system. at the time conventional harmony was essentially exhausted by the late romantics, and since then little has changed. schoenberg was correct to recognize this as a crisis, even if you do not agree with his approach.
Popooooo pepeeeeee hahahahahahahaha I'm so funny guys, right?
Nicholas Fisher
there's kind of a showpiece bias there, those pieces are only overplayed in a certain setting they are missing things like the boccherini minuet, non-violin stuff like clair de lune (which they mention as a good piece), jesu joy of man's desiring, a bunch of overplayed orchestra pieces (enigma variations, tallis fantasia, swan lake, barber adagio, 1812 overture, finlandia, etc etc) so they should have been more specific about their theme
John Gonzalez
sing the note names while you play, simple as that
Hans Ansermet hated that Stravinsky started doing dodecaphonic music art of the fug :DDD in a jazz version
Adrian King
not classical
Ian Hughes
it actually makes a lot of sense Bach would be anti-semitic as that was the general attitude of the church at that time and he was a close reader of the bible although as has been born out time and time again what people write is not necessarily a good indicator of how they really treat people
Bentley Hill
>Could I get one copy of the complete recordings of Munrow & the Early Music Consort, thanks bro
>lol we only know the pieces we have to play in concerts der ewige gook
Nicholas Williams
Liszt, and even Schumann >More problematically, the Schumann couple's overt anti-Semitism — Robert wrote to Clara about their mutual friend Mendelssohn: "Jews remain Jews … don't put yourself out too much" — is soft-pedaled by Mr. Worthen with the understatement, "Neither of them liked Jews much."
works better than leddit, that is just upvote milking with lame pictures only specialized forums to a subgenre of classical music seems to work or it's just plebs vs. admins like on TC
Levi Johnson
Erik Satie’s Gymnopédies are some good stuff along those lines. Try also Ravel’s Introduction et allegro pour harpe, flûte, clarinette et quatuor à cordes : youtu.be/bBm1w8J63mg
Why do pseuds try and "get into" classical/attempt to listen to classical music when they don't know music theory?
Dylan Gutierrez
because it sounds good
James Martinez
Pretty much all baroque, classical and (maybe) romantic era music is easy to listen to and could sound good to anybody.
Aiden Brooks
yes but they dont really understand it, how could they truly enjoy it then?
Luis Phillips
Good music doesn't need any preparation to be enjoyed. Try it, post a piece of music that requires any musical notion to actually enjoy it. It probably is shit.
Aiden Wright
i think intellectual, «platonic» enjoyment of music is only a plus, it doesn’t really make most of the music appreciation knowledge can only help you get some intuition to what’s happening but that is rarely necessary when you’re listening to common-practice era music, and what matters at the end is how does the music make you feel
Liam Howard
>hans having paragraph autist methods and not being able to read
Wyatt Kelly
They enjoy the music as much as they possibly can, same as people with deeper understandings enjoy music to the fullest we can.
That question is ridiculous Music has never been made mainly for people who understand how music is made Musicians have always been a minority of specialists, while almost all of the population listens to music, except for people with psychiatric disorders for whom all music sounds like noise.
>How can you enjoy traditional architecture when you don't know any masonry?
Oliver Green
How did you guys get into classical? I'm trying to get into it but I'm having a hard time because my brain is so used to heavy bass and other pleb-tier shit. Any good gateway classical music?
forced by parents dont bother coming just stick with what you already have
Ayden Foster
First off, nice art noveau pic. Anyway, I play guitar so I started as a mealfag. I think Tocatta and Fugue or Dance of the Knights was the first I heard? After that I just studied theory and listened to composers as I learned music history via Wikipedia until I developed my own taste. I'd say Bach, Debussy, Chopin etc are all good gateway composers but it really depends on what you currently listen to and enjoy who will be the best gateway composer for you.
I listened to Bach once. Like, actually *listened*. That was enough.
Nathaniel Walker
I started playing an instrument as a kid. So i guess my gateway was whatever music would be simple enough for school bands and orchestras to play, and it was inevitable from there that I would be interested in harder/more complex/better music.
Josiah Sullivan
The first «classical» (actually romantic era) song i can remember listening to and liking is Liebestraum nº3 by Liszt, oh and also I was also listening to Francisco Tárrega (Capricho Arabe...) as I was playing guitar, and then I got introduced to Ravel last year of highschool, which was enlightning for me as I was (and still am) listening to jazz too. After that I started to listen to all kinds of stuff really, learning more and more about classical theory and the history of music. The only advice I can give is : don’t force yourself to like any known composer, just listen, again and again, and see how you feel.
I played violin, but the first classical I really listened to was piano music. Try the Schubert impromptus.
Jaxson Nguyen
Have you seen any good cover of a classical composer in youtube by a regular person at home using a cheap electric keyboard? sincere question, if there are I'd find it fascinating
Yeah man, that was quite a ride to say the least. But desu with all the great internet and youtube ressources out there, plus some friends’ help, I managed to learn a fair amount. I think the most difficult part was actually knowing what you need to learn lmao
I'm the Mahler fag from the other thread. Just finished listening to all the Mahler symphonies except 10. Here's my hot take: 6 > 2 > 9 > 3 > 1 > 5 > 7 > 4 > 8
Samuel Brown
6 is too high for me, and 4 too low. I agree with 8 and personally, would have put 3 at the top
Gabriel Jackson
wrong
1=9 > 4 > 7 > 3 > 2 > 6 > 8 > 5
Jaxon Brooks
is spotify good for classical or is there any other streaming service out there you'd recommend
Luke Morris
lads how do i write a theme for a piano sonata
Henry Butler
Take some time out of your day to give Cherubini the appreciation he deserves
It is the best option if you want to listen to classical, it has nearly everything you will need. The only drawback is that sometimes it is hard to browse, because composers are tagged as artists.
well Beethoven said he was the second greatest composers behind himself. What should I listen?
Levi Turner
>writes a Requiem for his own death Yup, i'm thinking he Based
John Gomez
Is Holst's The Planets just a meme? Is it worth listening to?
You can't interrupt a villain while he's making a speech. It's the golden rule.
Gabriel Jenkins
Chopin's nocturnes got me into classical, they're relatively short (usually 5 minutes or so) and have relatively simple melodies.
Nontheless, they still are pretty deep. 10/10 would recommend
Alexander Powell
Wotan does always have to follow the law. I guess it does make sense
Nolan Gomez
Woman is a cuck anyways
Owen Morales
de-meme your brain namefaggot
Carson Miller
Mates what percentage does classical take up in your listening habits? 70% of the music I listen to is classical, the rest is jazz and rock
Jace Butler
Probably 50% desu. Other 30% is metal and last 20% is other stuff like pop and folk. It really depends though since I go through phases every month or so where I gravitate towards one genre
Camden Morgan
Something like 80% classical and the other 20% is bluegrass when listening by myself.
Carson Harris
tonal schoenberg was so good lads its not fair why didnt he stay that way
any good movies related to classical composers/music?
Joseph Miller
testimony i saw the screenplay author at a shostakovich cycle when he was doing a talk about the film hes alright tbqhwy
Jordan Ramirez
cheers user
Jaxon Phillips
amadeus
Aiden Johnson
The Chronicle of Anna Magdalena Bach
Alexander Russell
Tous les matins du monde. Though I found it a bit too melodramatic, especially with him seeing his dead wife all the fucking time, would've been perfect if it were only shown for that first scene and never again.
Kabalevsky? Maybe a Frenchman too but nobody witty enough comes to mind
Oliver Taylor
I don't really listen to classical music anymore, at least not in the sense of listening to it through headphones (live acoustic is one hell of a drug). I go to as many concerts as possible given my situation (Midwest, carless, university student), and I'll never cease to be ruthlessly annoyed by the drought of modern works, and the general lack of chamber performances. I volunteer as an usher when the opportunity presents itself. Classical music demands too much attention, I find, to be appreciated while multitasking.
Nowadays I listen primarily to traditional folk music, gagaku (which I'd kill to listen to it live), Japanese post-hardcore and indie rock, King Crimson, The Beatles, a smattering of random poppy groups, and assorted post-bop.
Levi Johnson
My War Years, about Arnold Schoenberg.
Jason Lee
It all really kicked once I started trying to compose. There's something that just clicks when you try and understand what's going on.
It's not particularly great. Also, I haven't found anyone to play it, unfortunately, which makes things less than ideal, because I'd love to have a live version of it. Then again, it's an odd ensemble of harmonium, cello and guitar.
Isaac Sanders
>de-meme your brain This made me chuckle
Brody Martin
BASED
Blake Jones
I started played doublebass as a kid (I wanted a cello but in my village there weren't) bit I didn't liked it and I dropoed out after some months. I rediscovered classical music after watching Kubrick's A clockwork orange and then I started listening to it
Owen Reyes
My Cuck Years, a Gustav Mahler Biopic
Nathan Morgan
Ravel’s Concerto pour la main gauche is easily one of my favourite piece of modern-era music, if not my favourite at all. Listening to the Cadences for the first time has been a mind-blowing and life-changing experience for me, and the orchestra’s parts that follow them are gorgeous and grandiose. What about the jazz-influenced part ? Well it’s beyond stirring and we can say that it is pretty fucking cool. And god the percussions, they just feel right in every place. What’s a piece that had that same kind of impact to you?
Sibelius' Fifth Symphony. Specifically the first movement, with its hybrid form of minuet and sonata. That's the best representation of dawn-break I've ever seen. That one missing breath just before it switches and there's just this very sudden switch from common time to 3/4 is all the more intensified by the change from the intense build-ups and development into the dance-like movements.
Another one which has a very similar thing, but for instrumentation, is Ravel's orchestration of Le Tombeau de Couperin. I'm forever in a search of an orchestration of the Fugue and the Toccata that are anywhere as satisfying.
Luke Garcia
Beautiful and bewitching, very appreciated thank you.
You got my attention, do you have any specific interpretation of Sibelius’ symphony that you’d like to share ? And man, Ravel’s Le Tombeau de Couperin has been a turning point for me, I actually started to listen to more baroque music after hearing it.
Jack James
>Nowadays I listen primarily to traditional folk music, gagaku (which I'd kill to listen to it live), Japanese post-hardcore and indie rock, King Crimson, The Beatles, a smattering of random poppy groups, and assorted post-bop. Are you a Commie by any chance?
David Nguyen
Brian's Gothic symphony Popov's first symphony
Elijah Harris
List of underrated keys:
D flat major E flat minor F minor G sharp minor A flat major B major
Justin Lewis
G# minor is very transcendental
Joshua Jones
petzold just wanted to post this and spend 5 minutes of trying to solve the captcha that is somehow ultrapicky for me right now.
Ah, I've seen far too many versions of the Fifth to count, more by sheer dumb luck than anything (I saw it in Sao Paulo, in Cincinnati, in New York City, in Munich, in Buenos Aires and in Barcelona, because that was what a local symphony orchestra would be playing during the week I was there). It's one of those that can be extremely beautiful, but it requires so much balance in the orchestration that I find it actually very challenging to conduct. Also acoustics play a massive role, so there's that.
If you're looking for a very good one that you can actually listen to, I'd suggest the one by Kurt Sanderling, which I find fantastic.
As for Le Tombeau de Couperin - that turned me into a full-on Frenchfag, the French have a magnificently hidden story of classical music that has a narrative totally parallel to the Germans that reveals a wholly different style.
Rather than the oft-repeated narratives which start primarily with the Baroque era with Handel, Telemann and Bach, followed by Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven, Schubert; Neue Deutsche vs Leipzig Conservatory; Mahler, Strauss and other Late Romantics; Second Viennese School; Darmstadt School, you have an entirely different narrative that dates much further back: Notre Dame; Franco-Flemish School; the Court of Louis XIV; Rameau, Destouches and Couperin; Gossec, Le Duc, Gavinies; Mehul, Cherubini, Le Sueur; the Romantic period is a lot messier and only gets worse during the chaos of late Romanticism; Impressionism, Neoclassicism; Messiaen, Varese and the switch to emphasizing sound. That said, there is a strong emphasis on opera until the late 19th Century, and even then that still lingers.
Thank you for the rec, your appreciation for the piece really stands out as it seems.
And I can’t agree more on French music, as I am French too, I don’t get tired of exploring all of our great composers and our great music history, and I really appreciate that they get an interest like that. Rameau especially to me is probably a real God send, but talking about operas I would also like to emphasize on the Groupe des Six (also called Les Six), in which there was the great Germaine Tailleferre ; she sadly isn’t known that much but has made a really fun and entertaining cycle of 5 opéras-bouffe, written in the style of Rameau (for my greatest pleasure), which is called «Du style galant au style méchant», I really recommend it.
Jayden Ortiz
Oh, I am a massive fan of the Les Six, which is kind of mentioned in the Impressionist-Neoclassicist epoch. I'm more of a Poulenc man myself.
Theoretically, a not-amazingly-skilled group of amateurs could play it. In theory, I'd put it at the same level as Bach's Cello Suite No. 1. You don't need to play it perfectly, but in theory most amateurs could play that piece to an acceptable standard.
What instrument do you play and when did you start playing it?
I'll start:
piano, 16.
Gavin Turner
Bach larping as an Opera Composer I love it
Cameron Martin
guitar 4
Parker Peterson
Piano, 8. A friend has been teaching me Guitar and bass recently
Colton Young
Piano, I started playing when I was 5. Bass and guitar, I started playing when I was 14. I also have a bass that is tuned in fifths (I haven't changed the strings in forever) and a guitar that's only got four strings, and it's retuned to match a violin. That's so I can more easily orchestrate for the string section, because I really don't play violin, viola or cello.
I now want to take up another instrument entirely. I'd take up oboe, personally. Or viola because I really like the tone, but there's all sorts of issues.
>those descending minor scales in the haydn variations How does Brahms do it bros? How does he manage to imbue such wistful emotions into material so simple?
Logan Parker
What are some good pieces that evoke the feeling of being in love?
But knowing would definitely help. To normalfags classical music sounds tedious and long-winded because they have no clue what's going on underneath, and simply haven't cultivated the patience to listen through.
if i were her husband/boyfriend i'd make her play shostakovich while we fucked.
Nolan Morales
dont talk about hilary like that!
Adam Garcia
>not Bach poor taste
Carter Flores
i like what i like
Jace Thompson
What should I listen to while I watch my spanking porn?
Jack Carter
Why 8 so low?
Jace Fisher
gesualdo
Ian Jackson
is mikrokosmos a good way to learn piano
Kayden Long
I play Keyboard, Guitar, Drums, Cello, Theremin, I sing and can play Koto too... I try to play Violin, but I'm very bad.
I started with piano, then played guitar for years and years, have recently gotten back in to keyboards, playing a 70's electric organ in my room pretty much every day. I've also built my own Theremin from a kit... its great fun to play... especially trying to do old Sci Fi film tunes with heaps of vibrato (The only time lots of vibrato is cool....)
Thomas Nguyen
Bruckner. Time your climaxes with his.
Michael Gray
is a Hammond Organ the most similar thing to a Church organ you can realistically have in your house?
Alexander Cruz
looks like 6/8th to me
Anthony Jackson
what program/vsts did u use for that?
Brody Hernandez
Harmonium.
John Cook
Yes, I’m working on book three right now. If you already play an instrument or can read music, start working with a teacher around the middle of book two. If not, start taking lessons from the outset. Make sure to find a teacher who is fine with you learning from Mikrokosmos.
