EDDIE TRUNK 2

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Yeah IDK why UFO never gets any respect.

UFO were great until Michael Schenker left and they became a generic buttrock band. The hippified Santana rock of the first two albums isn't bad either.

Why do you think? They were tied into the arena/Camaro/mullet brand of rock and therefore uncool and unacceptable to Cuckgau and Rolling Stone Magazine.

What's wrong with the Paul Chapman stuff?

That and they didn't have the right haircuts, could play more than 90 second punk songs, and were not influenced by the New York Dolls.

Dunno about UFO's popularity elsewhere in the world but their US relevance was mainly in the 75-79 period, around when Ted Nugent was at his peak. I agree they never got as big as they could have.

Chapman was a better guitarist than Schenker technically but not as good of a songwriter.

Alright, fair enough. Chapman's songs were heavier than Schenker's (Making Contact is a pounding album) but didn't have as good a sense of melody. Best to put it that Schenker wrote better songs but Chapman better riffs.

As for their lack of major popularity, I suspect it's because Chrysalis barely did anything to promote them.

Maybe 'cause they used to be unbelievably fucking 'orrible and then became undistinguished, forgotten and ordinary.

Trunk is quite frankly autistic when it comes to KISS and their modern situation.

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No it was all a conspiracy by critics because bands like UFO were too mulleted, fun, and cool and didn't write 90 second punk songs about nuclear war and capitalism.

A lot of things didn't fall into the right place for UFO. They almost got airborne in the late 70s but didn't have a good frontman. Phil Mogg was ok but he couldn't match Steven Tyler, Bon Scott, David Lee Roth, and Rob Halford. Also they lost Michael Schenker at a critical moment and like a lot of their peers they didn't have a good manager or business sense. I suspect they were also signed to the wrong labels for their kind of music and probably also got taken to the cleaners by them. And then they couldn't adapt to the 80s. The NWOBM era saw them chasing trends rather than creating them. Also like Aerosmith they really fucked themselves over with drugs but unlike Aerosmith they weren't able to recover from it and get a second chance.

Yeah it is interesting to ponder how they never ascended to the level of those other bands in terms of popularity, yet among hard rock/metal musicians they've always been well-respected.

Me, I'll never understand how AC/DC and their 1-1/2 total songs got as big as they did.

I think they were just not well-known to the casual music listener. No US hits, they never really made it. Bit like 10CC and The Move.

>No US hits
That and like user said above Phil Mogg wasn't as good of a hard rock vocalist as Tyler, Scott/Johnson, or Halford, and couldn't match their stage presence. They had a lot of good songs but no really killer cuts/anthems. No Running With The Devil, Back In Black, or Breaking The Law. Not a band of virtuosos like Rush.

It's reasonable to understand why Tommy and Eric wearing the makeup is somehow "offensive" to some older fans but it's completely ridiculous to think that the band themselves should have made new makeup designs or take off the makeup again when it would only hurt their career

UFO is solid hard rock but AC/DC was a beast of it's own, people can say AC/DC was repetitive but their energy and raw power was unmatched, which is why early on they had a punk following and some people thought they were a punk band, much like Motorhead in that regard...people who think AC/DC is "boring" have the misfortune of being unable to insert themselves into the time period they came out in and understand why they were seen as being wild and aggressive for their time

>The hippified Santana rock of the first two albums isn't bad either
On that note, check out Timothy from the first album. That guitar riff is absolutely monstrous.

Or alternatively, they were another generic hard rock band who weren't good enough to make it. That's my take based on my one and only UFO experience.

>Phil Mogg wasn't as good of a hard rock vocalist as
Uggh, this. The guy had a roughly one octave range and unlike Lemmy he wasn't charismatic enough to get away with it. The instrumentals were solid but Phil's droning voice puts you to sleep.

That's unfair to Phil. He had a great, smooth tone and it's not as if you need to have a blaring voice like Halford or Brian Johnson to be a good vocalist.

That's not the point. The point is that Phil couldn't come up with vocal melodies to save his life. Try a song like Natural Thing. The band is absolutely monstrous but try and remember a single lyric. You can't no matter how many times you listen to it and that's why they most likely didn't take off in America. No matter how many of their albums you listen to, you'll inevitably come to the sad conclusion that Phil never did figure it out.

Again, where's this notion that you have to sound like you have a cattle prod at your scrotum (Christgau's commentary on Brian Johnson) to be a great rock vocalist. Phil's style keeps the band's music grounded and down-to-earth. And as someone else stated, when Phil sings the first note you know instantly it's him. A very distinctive voice it is.

Whoawhoawhoa. Who said PM had to sound like Brian Johnson? I said he's boring because his voice is so limited and their songs barely have any melody.

Ok I guess I kind of agree about the lack of melody although to be fair some of their songs do have some melody to them. Maybe not the best or strongest ones though. Phil came up with melodies that were within his ability to sing.

Surprise of ballad Beladonna which was hugely popular in USSR and even covered by Soviet rock band Veselye Rebyata. And yet somehow it never become American hit?

I've always wondered the same about Doctor, Doctor. Super catchy riff and chorus ("Living, loving out on the road.." etc.) Think this band is way underrated and just didn't get proper promotion. Lights Out should have been their major breakthrough album with the hit Too Hot to Handle and the great ballad Love to Love. Obsession was another monster album and don't know why Only You Can Rock Me didn't get more airplay. Woulda, shoulda, coulda I guess. Same goes for Rainbow and pre-Lovedrive Scorpions.

Oh well, it's unfortunate but there's always going to be some bands that never quite make it to superstar status for a variety of reasons. UFO, Nazareth, Wishbone Ash, Thin Lizzy, Slade, Spooky Tooth, Krokus. All of them are little remembered in North America. Granted, they were often better bands than the superstars like Van Halen, but such is life.

He's delusional about all his childhood rock heroes like how he puts down the metal community for not buying whatever shitty album that W.A.S.P. came out with this side of the millenium instead of moving on to new bands.

Michael Schenker was just a kid when he joined the band. For someone as young as he was, he displayed some incredible technical proficiency and tastefulness as well (compare, say, young John Frusciante and his edgy wank solos against the laid-back style he developed when he was older).

Ehhh Nazareth and Thin Lizzy had their hits, I grew up hearing them plenty as a North American

Who the fuck doesn't hasn't heard NOW YOU'RE MESSIN WITH A...A SON OF A BIIIIIIIIIIIIITCH NOW YOU'RE MESSIN WITH A SONOVABITCH, ot LOOOOOOOOVE HURTS, LOOOOVE SCARS, LOVE WOUNDS...AAAAND MARKS...ANYYYYYYY HEAAAART, or THE BOYS ARE BACK IN TOOOOOOOOWN, or TONIGHT THERES GONNA BE A JAILBREAK either on the radio or in some pop culture shit like movies or tv or commercials, those are classic songs definitive of the era, so I wouldn't sell them so short.

As for any of the bands mentioned being better than Van Halen....nah bro. Van Halen was better and were game changers in rock, they pretty much set the entire 80's rock scene up with their template. They were about as "this is the new shit" as Nirvana was when they came out with their crap album.

Schenker and Mogg had a really good chemistry while his solo albums are painful to sit through.

I guess Phil's lyrics were ok although in this genre you don't really care about lyrics anyway.

I like Phil but wouldn't call him an outstanding lyricist though he was about on-par with most of his peers. So he didn't whine about the economy or nuclear war. Big deal. Even though those kind of artists always get their dicks sucked by the critics.

Since you mention punk, it's funny then because PM had a very normalfag guy-from-the-street vibe and didn't look like he dropped in from outer space like David Lee Roth or Robert Plant. His lyrics were very grounded and Springsteenian.

No question that they lost it once they lost Michael Schenker. I don't think I've ever made it all the way to the end of a post-Schenker UFO album.

Well I mean there is no excuse. Hippies can talk about how pirating is "fair game" all they want but it's not, and I do it and have done it for years, I just have no shame in admitting something I do is wrong and to be honest if I had any spending money I would support shit I really liked regardless. Rock and metal is at an all time low point because nobody can make money doing it, meanwhile people can still make money in pop and rap...is it because those fans are retards who haven't figured out the convenience of pirating on a larger scale? Yes, but it doesn't matter. If rock and metal fans paid for 50 percent of the shit they listened to at least they would have less of a reason to bitch about the genre being taken over by inferior and more corporate talentless genres.

I never liked Ron Nevison's production on Obsession and Lights Out. I can see it's good and offers detail but like Werman's production of In Colour it seemed to take something away from the songs that was there when you heard them live.

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Did you even read the post you were replying to?

Uh huh. Their 70s albums often had questionable production as well. The early stuff is too bare bones while the later stuff is too slick and overproduced. I don't think I've ever liked anything Ron Nevison produced. They needed a Jack Douglas or a Ted Templeton.

Yeah indeed his songwriting did have a Springsteen "down on the street" feel to it instead of being about teen sluts or wizards and Satan.

Just curious but what don't you like about Ron Nevison?

Yeah you were saying something about Eddie Trunk complaining that metal fans don't buy albums. And no sorry, Periphery and Suicide Silence fans don't count as metal fans. They are in their own world.

He was complaining why does nobody care about what 80s bands are doing in the 21st century and metal is dead because you moved on to new bands instead of the old dinosaurs whose time was up before a large chunk of Yea Forums was alive.

IDK maybe I'm just not listening to the right ones but most of the albums I can recall that he produced like all those Heart, Survivor, Damn Yankees, and Ozzy ones don't hold up or sound very good at all.

Why are you even ITT if that's how you feel? /meal/ is over there, you can circle jerk Burzbum and shitty grindcore that's every bit as old and outdated as WASP but you can pretend it isn't with all the other non metalhead hipsters

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I was thinking more Nevison's 70s work like Quadrophenia, Physical Graffiti, and all the Bad Company albums (IMO some of the best-sounding hard rock records ever). I guess he was credited as an engineer for The Who and Zeppelin (due to egos most likely) yet those albums have his style all over them.

Martin Birch was one producer from that era I could never understand the adulation for. Give some of the albums he worked on a spin, like Fire of Unknown Origin, Rainbow: Rising, and whatnot. They sound completely lifeless and there's absolutely no bass anywhere to be found.

Alright, fine. I guess I was more associating RN with all the 70s-groups-making-a-comeback-with-slick-as-oil 80s pop rock albums he produced like Bad Animals and Crazy Nights. I don't always know the job of the engineer vs the producer, but I would love to know how much of a role Nevison played in those albums vs either Jimmy Page or Pete Townshend.

The original mix of Rainbow: Rising had audible bass in it but for some autistic reason Polydor didn't like it and made them remix the thing.

Phil Mogg is not an underrated frontman, he sang tastefully and within his limits. He just didn't have the charisma or stage presence to be up there with the greats. As for Michael Schenker, the poor guy has never worked with a truly outstanding frontman.

Richie Blackmore claimed Polydor made them get rid of the bass so the album would be more radio-friendly. He's never been happy with how it came out.

Fuck that. Ron Nevison completely butchered Lights Out and Obsession by adding on tons of strings and orchestral effects that the band themselves were not happy about. Except for '95's Walk On Water though, which is all just straight killer rock without that extra stuff weighing it down, on which Nevison did an outstanding job staying out of their way.

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Is this basically someone's blog about washed up boomers?

>As for Michael Schenker, the poor guy has never worked with a truly outstanding frontman.
Klaus Meine? One of the most revered classic metal frontmen not named Dickinson, Osbourne, Halford, Dio, or Kilmister?

I dunno but I welcome it. Imagine some actual discussion about music not race baiting bullshit or gays shilling Billie or people just posting memes.

Mine says 18 posters.

Nonono you're not getting it. The Eddie Trunk thread from yesterday had a 100+ post Kiss discussion and it had about 25-30 IPs in a thread that exceeded 200 replies.

I checked the archive and I didn't see any evidence of this.

The archive doesn't preserve the IP count. You'll just have to take me at my word that there were 30 posters in a thread that went to the bump limit.

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Ok well uh, idk good I guess. I can about KISS all day

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See what I said. It doesn't preserve the IP count.

Anybody who denies this is simply not a rock fan.

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Come on, Eddie, I know this is you. Say hi for us.

Eddie here, that's not me! I tell you guys time and time again, I will never begrudge another person for liking death metal and black metal and all that, but it's just not for me! Heh heh, it's just...I don't get it, I love the classic stuff, that's all man!