So am I missing something or is rap really just a shit genre...

wow. a boring drum loop and a black man rhyming meaningless words. groundbreaking.

Well my beef with rap is there's usually very little musicality involved in their recordings and performances. I dislike rap the way i dislike drone and ambient. There are very few interesting chord/key changes or modulations in rap compositions. Once in a while a catchy melody or harmony appears here and there, but it's rarely the focus of a rap composition. It's just musically flat with little harmonic or melodic development, and just drones on and on over a single chord or two.

I also dislike rap for something i dislike plenty of folk music for, and that's an apparent focus on lyrical ideas over a maturity or inventiveness in compositional ideas. You can write the most beautiful rhythmic poetry in the world, but that doesn't save the recording from shitty musicianship/composition, which are the very things i always enjoy about music.

Sorry rapfags. Borrowing the most kindergarten-tier elements of music theory while you spit out poetry doesn't make for compelling "music." Write fucking books instead, and maybe i'll listen to what you have to say.

Cool opinion.

Yeah it's really just my opinion, but i think it's shared by a lot of people who cant really get into rap. I don't mean to just dismiss the entire genre, there's some rap i find to be kind of fun, it's just most of it i personally find to be really dull and repetitive.

I hate it too. The best I can offer you is “25/8” by DJ DMD because it can transport you back to your buddy’s house circa 1994: You’re both kicked back in some oversized beanbag chairs playing Sonic the Hedgehog 2 before you take a short break to chow down on some Fruity Pebbles.

Honestly rap is more like slam poetry than music.

Death Grips is the answer unironically. Whether you love them or hate them it's hard to deny their sound is different.

>rhyming meaningless words
you're actually a fucking retard try listening to what he's saying and turn on your brain

>muh gun
>i'm good at rapping
>fuck wypipo go nation of islam
riveting

get help. not even trying to use that as an insult, I think you're schizophrenic.

none of those rhyme braniac

sounds like metal to me minus the drum loops and black men

Replace “black men” with niggers and I know what you mean.

It's not really any worse than other kinds of popular music Tbh.

Based

it just is user. so yeah, rap it's just nonsensical woobalobba ooga booga sex bitch bitch niggu kill kill niggu chimp noises which is racist against wypipo because muh opression lmao
good thing i'm voting for trump again
a white america without spics, negroes and mudslims, i can only dream

thanks for revealing you're a brainlet who can't interpolate basic english.

Not OP but this is why I can't figure out why Yea Forums likes it. With every other genre, anons on Yea Forums tend to be more contrarian, except with rap. Only with rap it seems like posters here love the most popular shot and hail it as musical genius.

Oh yeah, Yea Forums loves Lil Nas X and Drake

Listen to MF DOOM, MM.. FOOD

I agree. The majority of rap is nothing more than mup da doo didda niggershit, but some of it is legitimately thoughtful and well made lyrically. Unforunately that tiny unpopular minority is often just boring because it uses the same fucking loop for entire tracks, which seems inherent to the genre itself. You can find tons of awful mainstream pop music and other genres that have the same lyrical shortcomings of rap, but at least they make an attempt to convert their garbage into something that could be called a song. That said sometimes a rap song can be so basic and simplistic it is still enjoyable, but those are extremely rare for me and the novelty wears off fast.

cringe

meme rap became mainstream

>brainlet
i'm not the one listening to chimp noises
stay mad retard

>rap sux
Try saying that again after listening to this...
youtube.com/watch?v=aW9OUDMxC6s

Thing is with Death Grips, is that they manufacture their own sound... they dont make songs that are just one "beat" looped over and over. They exhibit talent, I'd even go as far to say that their hyper-sampling antics are innovative on their own

based
the majority of rap is about lyricism over musicality, and there are not many bands that focus on experimentation, so if you're a hardcore scaruffifag who can only jerk off to stuff like Pere Ubu, Captain Beefheart or Faust, this is not really the genre for you

That said, the 2000s and specially the 2010s have seen an enormous explosion of experimentation in rap, so I encourage you to not listen to the "rap essentials" at all, and rather to find your preferred style. Industrial, ambient, jazz, glitch, etc.

For me, it's Earl Sweatshirt. I personally don't enjoy a lot of rap music because of the upbeat feel to it, but rappers like Earl, Milo and Lil Peep really do it for me. Sometimes I don't even care for the lyrics.

Here are some examples of "unconventional" rap music I enjoy (even though the jazzy sound has been replicated over a million times these last years)

youtube.com/watch?v=uQRV6lO2nIA

youtube.com/watch?v=jfFTT3iz740

youtube.com/watch?v=Gis7wvW1cd0

youtube.com/watch?v=uqcTVVUFnKQ

youtube.com/watch?v=UCceUo94X1g

youtube.com/watch?v=7L4JnAuW00k

t. double digit iq

it really doesn't but I won't judge a retard's opinion too hard

are we listening to the same music user? you know rap is the same as hip-hop, right?

>interpolate
try using words that you know user
t. your 1st grade teacher

I'm the dude youre replying to. Interesting picks there.

That first one isn't really rap at all.

That Nujabes piano one is EXACTLY what i was on about rap's droning repetitiveness. That incessant piano riff turns into a repetitive nuisance after about 30 seconds.

Actually really cool use of Jane's Addiction's Up the Beach in Death Grips. Death Grips really is the only interesting rap act around arent they, if it's even considered as rap. Man that track is beautiful in every respect.

Aint it Funny is the true standout from Atrocity Exhibition. It's great dance music that goes far beyond the monotony of a lot of rap that doesn't appeal to a dance floor party sensibility.

>listens to the music of niggers who have an average IQ of 80
>has the gall to call someone else double digit

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I like the sound of Ain't it Funny but I'm not really digging Danny's voice.

Death Grips are entirely distinct because of Zach Hill. As much I love Ride they really stand out because their beats are (for the most part) alive and full of actual parts being played by him on drum pads.

you literally just want to hear white guys make orgasm sounds over a catchy melody that's easy to remember. can't think of anything more low IQ

Why didn't you comment on the Lil Peep song? I think the use of ambient music as a sample is very innovative.

>black man
i.e; the real reason you hate it.

lol take your meds schizo

there's probably many reasons for him to hate it: it's made by talentless hacks, profits the kikes, produced and pushed by kikes, shit melodies, shit lyricism, overrated, country literally is better, etc. your defence for rap is that you love niggers and want to be pozzed in your neg hole, it's not very convincing.

not particularly. Literally listen to any dälek track they’ve been making ambient industrial hip hop beats for like 20 years

I didn't comment because i found the lil peep track to be very unremarkable. Maybe because ambient music doesn't hold my attention. Listening for the third time now, yeah he's singing a really, REALLY simple melody with hardly any harmonizing going on and no real variation in the music. Kinda drags on a bit to my ears if you're doing that for three minutes straight. Sounds like a basic run of the mill slow jam that ive been hearing made since the 90's basically. I'm not sure how that stands out at all.

For me, it's Charles Hamilton.

youtube.com/watch?v=oVfRTAXePgw

youtube.com/watch?v=ULy-UnoZDFI

youtube.com/watch?v=C0pBmwzIYpY

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usually when people say they dislike rap on this board, they just dismiss it and call it shit without any reasoning, so its cool to see that you've really stated why you dislike it in honest, musical terms. this is the type of stuff that fuels actual music discussions.

>rap
>music
ha, good one man

99% of hip-hop is shit and doesn't use the genre to its full advantage, just listen to Kanye (albums not singles)

>Dislikes ambient/drone
>Doesn't even have the attention span for rap music
>Would prefer to read the exact same lyrics in a book

When will the plague of ADHD ridden zoomers be ridden of this board?

You should listen to the new Freddie Gibbs/Madlib album. interesting lyricism paired with experimental production.

I personally love rap and want to be a rapper but I agree with this

Most rap is low iq garbage and hard to take seriouslt. Listen to humorous shit like this instead m.youtube.com/watch?v=P5q_GXDQ6k8

>Lil Peep

Lol rap is gay as fuck.

to those of you who are being serious, rapping is more than just speaking over a beat. hip-hop production is loop-y because for the most part the main focus is the performer, the music is just there to set a mood. the musicality and dynamic change to be found within hip-hop comes from the rapper's flow, its rhythm and how it meshes with the mood set by the production.

the problem is that a lot of rapper's have boring standard flows and unlike a lot of other genres they don't try to harmonize their lyrics/flow with the actual music. mumblerap is huge and a big deal because it changed that significantly with rappers utilizing more melodic flows. the problem with that of course though is with the introduction of mumble rap and the lines between rapping and singing already having been blurred by Drake's massive influence, a lot of people (Lil Peep, Post Malone, etc) use the guise of mumblerap to literally just sing over trap beats and call it rapping.

Anyway I suggest listening to Andre 3000, post-Graduation Kanye, Young Thug (Slime Season 3, Jeffery, Barter 6). Travis Scott (Days Before Rodeo, Birds in the Trap Sing McKnight, Astroworld), Tyler the Creator (Bastard, Flower Boy, Cherry Bomb), Asap Rocky's studio albums, MF DOOM, and Future (Dirty Sprite 2)

Oh and you might like JPEGMAFIA but I think he's an overcompensating faggot

I am a huge rap fan and I'm not going to come into your thread to try to suggest shit to force you to like it. I respect your opinion to be honest. I don't like metal music but I see the passion those guys have for it so I don't talk shit about it. I prefer to talk shit about music I think is actually shitty not music I don't like and can't really understand the appeal of.

Rap as an artform has the capacity to impress but I feel like the bulk of its prevailing trends don't really reward talent outside of production. If you can make a great beat these days then you're already a good 70% of the way to making a hit, and the remaining 30% really can just be an overbearing, obnoxious, but nigh impossible to ignore personality.

desu the only good rappers are Danny brown and earl sweatshirt.

all of these are shit except MF doom and even then, I could write an MF doom song

skip skop skappity floop dappity I spit the finest bars despite being in poverty

peoples words don't bother me

I'm playing mental monopoly buying all the property yeah try to copy me
skipple tap toppoty your world's just a thought for me

the governments bad don't drink from the water supply
I swear fluoride will turn you bi
and that's coming from the flyest guy
Bars make you open your third eye
like a plane in the sky flyin by dropping chemicals on the food supply

yeah gmo foods make your mind controlled by the government
they feed you drugs as a supplement
to increase your encumberment
make you dumb and shit
meanwhile I'm eating a girls rug and shit
like a happy meal she's loving it
then I'll go down to my other bitch
catch something dirty make my nut hair itch
yeah catch something dirty like a muddy ball
while the world fills with silly puddy halls

everyone's soft and evil but also genius and controlling but also somehow lazy

add more vague conspiracy theories, complains about the industry, and weird multi rhyme bars and its a finished Mf doom song

>the music is just there to set a mood
hence why rap is shit.

Earl is great and yeah, MF DOOM don't be rapping about shit a lot of times (early Earl did the same thing) but he has one of the best flows in hip-hop and I just find him really endearing for some reason, maybe its his sense of humor. He's the only boom-bap-ish rapper I can really get into.

Also I forgot to add Pharrell and Pusha T to my suggestions.

Okay, kid.

>typing out your comebacks

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>interpolate
>typical rap fan
LOL why are you calling someone else out on their usage of English retard?

congrats user, this is the stupidest DOOM impression I've ever seen. all caps when you spell the man name nigga

I have a very difficult time thinking any genre can claim greater than 10% of its output being any good. Rap is obviously no different, which means (at least) 90% of it is shit. This is also to say, however, give ten rap songs an honest, genuine listen and I’ll betcha five bucks you’ll like at least one of them.
I think song is fuckin sweet, for example:
youtu.be/FJt7gNi3Nr4

Based. Rap/hip hop is nigger noise

>rap
>attention span
user the average rap listener is legitimately not going to give a shit about paying attention to any given song unless it's a hit single

Rap is pretty good. Currently it's more in a "party" music kind of state but in the 90s especially it was one of the best forms of music out there.

While DOOMs lyrics are simplistic, they're usually witty as hell and flow like butter, something that yours miss.

Why is rap still a topic of discussion here we all know it objectively sucks

You're obviously only listening to the boring mumble shit that gets posted on here. Try checking out stuff from the 80s 90s, when the genre was at its best.

Disregard my very cringy opinion, I don't know what got into me. Must've been all those cocks I chugged last night when I was drunk. What was I drunk from, might you ask dear friends? Cum, so much cum, from many different men.

Imagine being over 20 and defending hip-hop music... Cultural Imperialism at it’s finest.

Why is your dad still a topic of discussion here we all know he objectively sucks off donkeys

You know how it goes when you lose 10 cockfight bets in a row down in Tijuana.

am I missing something

no, rap is literally missing musical elements

>when R*dit tries to fit in

My fav rap rn

youtube.com/watch?v=g6kesQvb0gk&list=PLdKHOzxGiHCJUXO4RVGjJxNilaLPdrN3m&index=12&t=38s
youtube.com/watch?v=hyAMy9Bn68E&list=PLdKHOzxGiHCJUXO4RVGjJxNilaLPdrN3m&index=5
youtube.com/watch?v=fodGktNFUYM&list=PLdKHOzxGiHCJUXO4RVGjJxNilaLPdrN3m&index=4
youtube.com/watch?v=Mh1ag8mqzOg&list=PLdKHOzxGiHCJUXO4RVGjJxNilaLPdrN3m&index=9

Rap is utter shit. You can find better beats in EDM. You can find better black vocals in soul music and while sampling is fun; why not just listen to the original tracks being sampled?

Would you also say blues music is garbage because its simply nogs nigging over a I-IV-V progression?

modern rap lacks a lot but there's some decent stuff i think people will say are fine like madvillainy or what not
kanye is inconsistent and kind of shit

Calling it "EDM" lets me know you don't know your shit. The trajectory of what you would call "Electronic Dance" music (a gay ass marketing term invented in the late 2000s to get Americans to go to shitty festivals) directly correlates with that of Hip Hop. As sampler technology got better we got entire genres built around it as opposed to just shit like Kraftwerk. Things like french filter house, drum n bass, and so much else just wouldn't exist without samples and often it's the same exact records the hip hop stuff raids for samples.

So if rap had no loop behind it, would you enjoy the genre more?

If a guitar solo had no backing track, would you like it more?

Imagine someone rapping over this.
soundcloud.com/anon333222111/jimi-hendrix-slowed-down-to-0666x-speed-free-beat

Watch out OP, rap fans are easily offended, you're going to trigger them.

Oh no, too late.