Albums critics claim are influential but are not influential at all

retard baby doesn’t understand that there were bands after these three and before today, who „carried on” the influence

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Who? Lol

their later albums are weirder and better

This is bait. Every contemporary band that claims to be "post-punk" rips off Wire and The Fall.

Kinda agree? It's a great album, but I can't see how it has influenced other bands in a different way from their alternative rock contemporaries.

xD

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Literally a minuscule amount. Too few for
Those that claim it’s huge musical
Significance.

Are you trolling

A band like Oasis is far more influential than Wire. Wire is music writer music.

Why'd you make a shit thread about a based album?

No.

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get a fucking dictionary, asshats. you don't get to decide what is influential.

Anything by the Smiths

You’re confusing influential with good. Point stands Wire is not an influential band

Best Wire song:
youtube.com/watch?v=DXu_XWMF0RA

t. seething dictionaryfag

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>You’re confusing influential with good.
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you are a literal brainlet. I am telling you that is exactly what YOU are doing.

woah i never knew they made stuff this poppy. ive only listened to the classic trilofy

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yeah they were more or less playing to the sound of their times just doing it better than their peers.

i dunno mate, there's plenty of bands that rip radiohead off, maybe not that particular album, but still

They influenced three bands, hence they are influential. It's not like there is some sort of predetermined numer of bands that need to credit you to be considered influential.

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these

>Wow three bands
>Point stands Wire is not an influential band

turbo retard

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cause they were popular out of a scene that was making similar music not because they genuinely put forth a new sound or ideas that other copied. obviously joy division, minutemen, and blackflag. were fans of late 70s punk and early post punk which wire were one of the most popular acts of but certainly werent the innovative ones in the scene.

Yeah they got into an electronic/industrial/krautrock phase
Here's another good one from that period
youtube.com/watch?v=HHAnOQyXhGI

>"I don't know how influence works"
If you concede that Wire influenced Joy Division then how do you miss the obvious conclusion that it influenced Post Punk as a whole.

This is just wrong. How do you substantiate that TVU&N isn't influential?

this album is responsible for the sound of countless nu-metal bands though

>This is just wrong. How do you substantiate that TVU&N isn't influential?
by being an underage retard

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Nirvana ripped them off, bro

>Wire influenced Joy Division then how do you miss the obvious conclusion that it influenced Post Punk as a whole.
i disagree for both wire and joy division. being popular but not innovative did not make them influential. it was a natural progression of an entire scene. real influencers are those that catalyze entire changes in sound and introduce new ideas. not simply being a popular artist in a scene that was a precursor for another band popular band in a slightly differet mutation of the genre.

it was acclaimed at the time, but was it really even influential in any way?

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Yeah, ACO in general feels like a dead end band. In that there's nowhere to go from there.

They went as close to pop as they could in the late 80s and made some great albums in that era.

youtube.com/watch?v=jFn_mGFs1Vg

Wire, The Fall and Killing Joke are the most consistently outstanding bands of all the big post-punk names.

youtube.com/watch?v=czTTX0lLDtI

>Being ripped off by one band counts as influential
Low IQ "opinion"

I never said Wire weren’t good I said they aren’t influential

LOL sounds like a low rate Happy Monday’s 4000 views there a literally
Shitty screaming bands from my hometown that are more influential

i feel like there was a ton of post-mpp psych pop the following 2/3 years then it ceased to exist

Sure Coldplay Muse Starsailor Travis they’re all Radiohead derivatives

Absolutely not. It’s actually a really cringe album. Summertime clothes is fucking Sesame Street tier

PIL and New Order are better than those

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You still don't understand. I'm saying you do not get to decide if something is influential or not. You can only decide with whether it is good or not. Your opinions have no place in an objective matter. Wire is an objectively influential band and Pink Flag is objectively a highly influential album. This is a stupid discussion anyway since any mildly popular band has had some influence in some way. So I reckon your real argument is that you disagree to the extent of their influence. Even at that point, which is immeasurable and a useless discussion, you would still be wrong. Pink Flag is incredibly influential.

i mean there were ton tons tons of white indie psych pop bands incorporating a ton of synths and stuff directly following its release. but that died out with all white male and indie rock type music within a few years

PIL's reunion stuff has been pretty decent and they were fantastic when I saw them live a few years ago but nah, they made too much dire shit in the 80s to match up to any of thiose.
New Order, nah.

> Wire is an objectively influential band and Pink Flag is objectively a highly influential album

Not really, there is literally no band citing them today and as that other user said there are screams bands with ten times as many video views.

Wire are good just not as influential as people think. Blondie are more influential desu

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yeah, Wire definitely haven't influenced anyone.

kill yourself, OP.

as ive said. they were simply a popular band in a large scene of bands doing similar things. they werent personally progressing the genre or introducing many new ideas themselves.

>So I reckon your real argument is that you disagree to the extent of their influence. Even at that point, which is immeasurable
>immeasurable
Lol we’re talking about wire not the Beatles

see , you fucking retarded faggot

>the smiths

Nigger what?

these bands would very easily have existed exactly how they are without the existence of wire. wire were simply a popular band within a scene of artists doing the same thing. i think being truely influential means introducing new ideas and concepts to music not simply being a popular band among a naturally progressing scene of artists doing similar things...

Wire are a “cool” band to name drop but you most definitely cannot hear their influence in more than half of those bands

Agree

Colin Newman's solo stuff was good too
youtube.com/watch?v=1VzIvIacMSU

But to me this is the best Wire song:
youtube.com/watch?v=KVXBgft5TB0

Madman's Honey and Point of Collapse are great songs too
youtube.com/watch?v=KVXBgft5TB0
youtube.com/watch?v=L5F3CzikRmU

The STRANGEST stuff though is probably their odd 90's album "The First Letter" where they went completely electronic
youtube.com/watch?v=lW2_jryDz6w

>I think there is an argument to be made for Wire being one of the greatest ever bands to come out of the UK. They have become a band to namedrop over the last 20 years and rightly so. In 1977 or 1978, me and my mates were wagging school and listening to whatever new records were out at the time, and that would be invariably punk records. A couple of my friends were into The Stranglers, which never really did it for me. I was listening to The Only Ones and Generation X and things like that.

>When [punk compilation] The Roxy London WC2 came out you had to have it and spend your hard-earned pocket money on it, but it was a disappointing, shouty affair. It was badly recorded with a number of bands who didn't do much for me. However, it had 'Lowdown' by Wire on it and the song stood out by a million miles. There was brains and originality behind the song.

>When 154 came out it was so startling as it was so ahead of its time. Well, it was of the time but broke away from the norm, which was very much still rooted in an aggressive rock & roll heartland. Wire really stretched sounds and included keyboards on their records, which at the time was a very brave move. I am trying my hardest not to use the word 'arty' but in this case, they owned that word.

>I had left school at that time and moved away from my parents and was living on my own. That period was key for me as a person and Wire's approach to guitar was just something I couldn't ignore. It was a real pointer away from the blues-based guitar playing which dominated pop music - including punk - since rock music had started. As a young guitar player, discovering 154 showed me a world that was an alternative way of looking at the instrument. It has stuck with me all the way through my career.

–Johnny Marr

now suck on that, you absolute dipshit

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Actually agree

You can't separate a "natural progression" from the bands within them. You also seem to be failing to recognize how influence can be a matter of degree.

Now are they notably so? I'd say so. Wire seemed to establish the DIY British sound to a degree that is well worth noting (especially with Chairs Missing).

Joy Division weren't the first Post Punk band to sound dark but they did help establish a particular style. I'd argue that they were instrumental in really ripping Post Punk from it's Punky roots. Now I admit this was with the help of the Banshees and Bauhaus, but there are too many notable Post Punk bands that clearly ape JD to write them off as being influential.

Citation please where is this from?

Also Morrissey was the smiths not Johnny Marr

154 is a really good record

OP, you really need to an hero at this point. Your reputation is beyond repair. Do it for your family, you absolute disgrace. Close your mouth before more ignorant trash spews out.

thequietus.com/articles/18078-johnny-marr-favourite-albums-interview?page=6

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Based Marr
Literally just look it up

People who say these bands and Doves rip off Radiohead don't know what they are talking about
I definitely hear some influence in two late 90s Porcupine Tree albums though

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Clash_discography

>Starsailor
>Travis
Sound nothing alike, they're from completely different movements

Your bar for really good is low

Didn’t know people claimed this as influential

Who the fuck said it's influencial? It came out last year.

Even thom yorke said it

A shit ton of modern American punk bands don't exist without the Clash. Whether or not any of them are good is another story. They really popularized the political punk bit a lot more than any other group at the time and had enough pop appeal that even my mom was listening to them in high school.

Whether or not they were entirely original is another thing, but they were huge on both sides of the Atlantic in a way that makes it hard to not be influential.

The only band Clash influenced was Ska/reggae inspired punk bands and all of them were rubbish like Clash

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Thanks for the recommendation user it was a good listen with interesting musical ideas but I think this band would have been better as an instrumental band

absolutely. and dated now, too. when i listen to this album it sounds like 2009. and i wasn't really into it back then so it's not a nostalgia trip either. actually kind of impressive how much changed in a decade

>actually kind of impressive how much changed in a decade
1989 sounded nothing like 1979 so why would 2019 sound like 2009?

i really like this album too

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>They really popularized the political punk bit a lot more than any other group at the time
That would imply this was a good thing.

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sound changing wasn't supposed to happen after the 2000's though. the internet destroyed local scenes so all styles would exist simultaneously and with no progression. come to think of it, even the dominant hip hop sound is a mishmash of throwback elements. maybe it's more a testament to how much pitchfork changed

Are you stupid? Literally created post-hardcore and alternative rock

Marr was the music idiot

I mean, even 2013 sounds much different from now.

biggest offender

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>His train of thought is never interrupted by lines of longitude and latitude
Why even live?

This must be bait, the blueprint of everywhere punk rock would go from new wave to post-punk to hardcore to contemporary garage punk is all laid out in that album

within a scene of hundreds of other artists doing the same thing. stop acting like just cause it was popular it wasnt part of a massive scene organically growing in different pieces

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