For me its a duo, Ritcher has the best choir/soloists, Rilling has the best orchestra Rilling its more rhythmic, Richter is more on the contemplative side
Redpill me on Suzuki
Ayden White
What's the Streetcleaner of Classical? I want that Apocalyptic violent feel with nothing but darkness and light from burning cars and houses. Maybe some Stravinsky Idk.
The dynamics that Suzuki uses fits really well within the framework of HIP. It never sounds empty as some HIP recordings do. Listen to his recording of BWV 97 In allen meinen taten. (it's not on youtube).
trying to listen to Paella and Melisand's de bussy again, but it's really not my cup of tea. I don't get how the French got from original Romantic music from Berlioz and Saint-Saëns to whatever Ravels and Debussy's music is supposed to be.
Daniel Clark
Pelleas certainly isn't the easiest of operas, try Poulenc's Dialogues of the Carmelites or La voix Humane, Fauré's Penelope, Saint-Saëns' Samson & Delila, Magnard's Guercœur
>german employed englishman the other way round actually
Hunter Garcia
Are the Phillips Complete Mozart boxes from the 90s any good?
Jayden Jenkins
They are a pretty good start, nothing really terrible unlike other box sets. Most of the main works have better versions elsewhere though.
Alexander Adams
Stop fucking forcing this shit here, you've asked before, now fuck off
Josiah Jackson
>no 21st century music >not even 20th century music you retards are why classical music is dying. go listen to caroline shaw and nico muhly and everyone else who's actually keeping us alive
i would say Bernstein's earlier Mahler ranges from "ok" to "decent" but it's not great or anything. i think his sense of rubato was always a bit too on-the-nose and it comes across as inorganic much of the time; Mahler has a lot of subtle tempo changes in his music and Bernstein makes it all very over, and that's when he isn't ignoring the score, which, by the way, would be fine if his own innovations were interesting, which they're often not. and his sense of balancing isn't that great either, though it's greatly marred from the utilization of the more modern orchestral layout, which greatly undermines the antiphonal violin writing of Mahler (especially important in the 9th symphony)
i don't think he's the worst conductor or anything, and if i had the opportunity to break out Bernstein over some other complete modern sets, i probably would, but i also don't think he's the great proponent of Mahler that he's often hyped up to be. frankly speaking his predecessor Mitropoulos was a more convincing Mahlerian, and practically most other conductors who worked with the NYP during that time extracted far greater playing from the orchestra than Bernstein ever did.
does anyone else here have a burning eternal hatred for the term “modern/contemporary classical”? it’s such a fucking retarded name that means absolute jack shit, fucking everything from serialism to totalism to new complexity is modern classical. what a garbage category.
James Kelly
It just means western art music since WW2. If you want something more specific you can use the terms you just listed
Dylan Garcia
yeah but then you have motherfuckers like edgard varese or charles ives or gyorgy ligeti that don’t fit into any of them. what do you do then?
all 3 of them are completely different but they get lumped under the same bullshit genre tag. see what i mean? it’s fucking nuts.
James Reyes
No, I really don't see your problem.
Kayden Turner
my problem is that the term “contemporary classical” doesn’t mean anything. like baroque, classical era, romantic, all correspond to art movements and have elements in common with each other. contemporary classical just means “it was written in the 20th century”. it’s really a useless term that tells me nothing about the music aside from “it’s newer than the other stuff”.
Hudson Reyes
It's only slightly more bullshit than classifying Monteverdi, Bach and Rameau as baroque, CPE Bach and Mozart as classical, and everything that happened from 1810 to 1910 as romantic.
Designating time periods with aesthetically charged labels is always bullshit, and "modern" or "contemporary" is arguably less bad and charged than those earlier ones.
Well, let's see, user: was it written between the years of 1750 and 1820?
Hudson Green
Very low IQ take, user. Very cool!
John Mitchell
So?
Nathaniel James
Correct take
Brainlet take
Slightly off take
Flat out wrong. "Classical" can refer to 1) all literate Western music 2) exceptional canonic works thereof 3) the period you named 4) an even narrower style associated with Vienna
Ethan Hall
Hans Zimmerman >>> Bach > Chopin > Mozart
Nolan Fisher
This is the future of /classical/, and it's beautiful.
Josiah Gutierrez
so it’s gay and dumb
Aaron Evans
>this is the most popular version of rite of spring Literally slow as fuck and plods along like it doesn’t give a shit. Why do pseuds like it so much?
Composers often do, they are just glad someone is recording them. The only comment I can find from Stravinsky about that recording is "wow". Was he so blown away by someone else's interpretation or was it Wow this is shit but I guess the kids like it."
>Fauré's Penelope sounds like Wagner and it was written after Debussy's Pelleas. Fauré hardly gets played and when they do, it's his Pelleas suite.
Adam Gutierrez
>Composers often do, they are just glad someone is recording them. Not Stravinsky. One of those composers that was extremely anal about interpretations. He really hated willful conductors and probably would have preferred it if robots were conducting his music.
Jeremiah Murphy
Anyone know any good chamber music that you could almost mistake for folk music? I hate it when classical musicians try to play jazz and I was surprised how much I enjoyed these little pieces.
That’s because Boulez actually knows a thing or two about composing and conducting unlike Stravinsky and Bernstein.
Adrian Cox
Fuck off Wim
Adrian Nguyen
Based opinion
Julian Young
when you expect Tchaikovsky and the orchestra starts playing Rach lol. Tchaikovsky competition is run by idiots and nepotist. youtube.com/watch?v=Ye21jnArn5s
Does anyone else here like Takashi Yoshimatsu? At first I didn't really care for his work, but I'm obsessed with it now. I think he's pretty underrated. Beautiful mix of lush Impressionism, jazz, and Japanese sensibilities.
pretty much a masterpiece of orchestration, the range of textures and colors, the dynamics, there's nothing else like it
Henry Brown
tried this scam called idagio because it was shilled so hard on r*ddit, and it was so shitty that I uninstalled it and it still charged me, fucking piece of shit, I want my money back you piece of shits
Agreed, went to a concert of his the other day which was amazing. He played more dramatically than on his recordings, which works better live (for example really long silences, which are quite magical in a concert hall full of people all holding their breath) He also did 3 encore pieces, despite apparently never doing encores, which was very cool.
Hunter Carter
I would love to see him play live but he performs so rarely and it's all sold out so fast. Also with someone that picky and self-critical I fear he won't be performing live that long into the future.
Maybe a strange request, but I'm trying to identify the sample in the beginning of this song (the first 30 seconds). Sounds like either /classical/ or something off a movie soundtrack. youtube.com/watch?v=YD7XJItea7E Any help appreciated.
>how do you make it interesting being limited to only two voices though? that's the hard part my dude. if i knew i wouldn't tell you, but i don't so i can't anyways.
Carter King
>how do you make it interesting being limited to only two voices though? Do you even melody bro? youtu.be/PpiwY9ln0cU
Leo Adams
>villa lobos i have to ask, do you play guitar? ive seen many of your posts involving guitar my friend
Joshua Martin
with counterpoint where chords occur over a period of time rather than from note to note
Levi Sanders
I'm still learning the guitar, my main instrument its the piano but i got bored of it, actually i'm thinking of selling my upright piano and buying an electric guitar i'm going to shit the guitar general soon
Christopher Kelly
>actually i'm thinking of selling my upright piano and buying an electric guitar you dont need to sell an upright to get an electric guitar lol. why electric over classical?
Landon Jenkins
>i'm going to shit the guitar general soon please don't. i get enough of your bullshit already.
>you dont need to sell an upright to get an electric guitar lol need the money >why electric over classical? Classical guitar its too serious and maybe the hardest instrument ever, also i only like 3 or 4 classical guitar composers, Agustín Barrios Mangoré being my favorite
Not having them play at the same time so each gets their own melodic phrase, distributing a single melodic phrase between parts, different dynamics, quotation, polytonic choices, form, et cetera.
You are limited in that your harmony is no longer outlined, it must be implied.
Ethan Scott
NO! hilary is not for lewd acts. she is for tender loving and appreciation
i'd cum big fat ropes all over your chin hillary i mean it. just hit me up we can make it happen baby.
James Sanders
STOP!!! HILARY MIGHT READ THAT
Chase Thomas
>people ignoring Mozart's violin sonatas, which are more numerous and accomplished than the piano sonatas Typical.
By studying duos for two melodic voices. Pretty much every generation has written them. Bicinia by Lasso are a good place to start, as are Bach's two-part inventions, Mozart's violin duos, or the insane instrument combinations Hindemith wrote for.
Evan Moore
It honestly wouldn't surprise me if she followed some stupid comment on a TwoSetViolin video by a cross posting redditor and ended up here out of boredom. It's frightening.
Noah Barnes
I'll say getting the tone on oboe right is considerably more difficult, personally
Jonathan Sullivan
You might also want to look into other things, such as >that song cycle Vaughan Williams did for voice and oboe >a substantial amount of Villa-Lobos' ouevre >a shitload of duos that Haydn wrote
John Gray
Some of Berio's folk songs should work too.
And, of course, the epic two-voice E minor fugue from WTC1 (>implying you can't write unisono octaves in a two-voice fugue).
i hope she does. hillary! let me hit that girl! i got that good dick.
Jaxson Hill
the fucking elections have ruined me, when i read hillary my mind defaults to hillary clinton and i get the mortifying mental image of anons fucking that dried up hag. gonna go listen to hahn’s version of shoenberg’s violin concerto to clear my brain later.
Isaiah Anderson
stop being gross dude. i'm serious though ms hahn if you're reading this i'm ready willing and able. dm me.
chill out come on hill, i know you're seeing this. lemme hit it.
Noah Stewart
lemme smash ho
Brandon Perez
TFW Berio's Folk songs are the only thing I can love by him
Levi Cook
Why hasn't there been any effective modern synthesis of genuinely good sounding composers Beethoven, Strauss, Mahler, Saint-Saens etc. Why does everyone just write shitty awful sounding music these days. Did schoenberg really ruin composition education that badly?
Jason Phillips
There's a lot of good music created like that, it's just there is so much it gets buried and the worst is put to the top unfortunately
Schoenberg trained a lot of composers who wrote great tonal music, and, with the exception of Schenker, contributed more to tonal theory than pretty much everyone in the 20th century.
You can find conservative composers if you want to, tonal - which to you seems to include any triad-based music, since a lot of Strauss and Mahler is hardly tonal in the sense that Beethoven is - music is pretty common today, even in the academy. Just listen to Adams if you miss triads.
Back to the dit of red.
Mason Jones
Was he a cuck? >First major work was a string sextet around a poem about cuckolding >Second string quartet was written while his wife travelled to vienna with Richard Gerstl, some shit painter who he let stay at his house several months prior
Bandcamp and Soundcloud are the usual places to find underground artists as you know, but we'll always have the classics so I'm fine with that
Jackson Walker
>soundcloud This is /classical/ not /hiphop/
Caleb Diaz
You can post whatever you want there, doesn't mean it'll get well known though. I've posted my songs and they're all ambient
Easton Sanchez
If you could erase one piece of music from history and have written it yourself, what would it be?
Kayden Carter
You can post anything you want on this board too but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t have its own inherent cultural inclinations. Soundcloud is flooded with and primarily focuses on nigger trash and no amount of obscure ambient electronic drone rock artists gasping for air in the midst of the sea of garbage is going to change that.
Joseph Russell
There's nothing brilliant about sub-Wagnerian edging. It's just approaching V over and over while you're already firmly in C minor. First there's the plagal evasions to Bb and F until you get to the 6/4 suspension, then there's that soupy descending fifths chromaticism over the V pedal, until baby finally gets his 8+8 bars of foursquare unisono diatonic theme. You expect an orgasm, instead you get this plodding monotony.
Nathaniel Gray
Give the man a break, he was depressed while making it
Aaron Brooks
As if you could write something half as good
Michael Diaz
You don't need to be a chef to taste the rot.
Grayson Gray
epic copout nonargument
Luke Hall
I don't really have an argument other than it sounds (or sounded on my first few listens) nice He wanted it to be popular I assume, and it served its purpose in doing that pretty well
Alpine symphony
Jason Taylor
It's physically impossible to argue subjective taste in music. I think it's a masterpiece and always will
Brody King
>try to listen to Schubert, Mozart, Brahms and Schoenberg in peace >meet girl >possibly last girl on earth >she's a pleb
I haven't listened to many recording of Bach's French Suites, only two in fact, Huguette Dreyfus and Ralph Kirkpatrick. Both recording are good but Ralph's recording is a bit more interesting mostly because of his frequent changing of the harpsichord's sound which I like. youtube.com/watch?v=LdtdplbECEs
Mason Jenkins
What's the point of listening something other than Bach?
David Myers
>Hans Hotter Seems to be pretty thin desu. Other baritones have more imposing sound
Ayden Cruz
I feel like it's a mistake of starting with either Bach or Mozart because once you understand how to listen to them and how to appreciate their pieces, everything else seems kind of arbitrary or boring.
Arthur Grumiaux did some of the best mozart violin concerto recordings out there on philips
Asher Gutierrez
yikes
Joshua Lopez
arpeggios.
Evan Harris
The guitar general is full of literal fags, dont go there, its going to make you gay
Austin Harris
Theory truly makes you a soulless robot
Asher Bell
shut up retard
Xavier Reyes
It's a means for him to explain why he doesn't like the music besides just "uh it sounds bad to me haha"
Hudson Edwards
>uh it sounds bad to me haha Nothing wrong with that, the entire basis of music theory is built on what sounds good and what sounds bad.
Brayden Kelly
what a piece of garbage sonata, it speaks volumes that it is taken so seriously. people should stop assuming that spanish genetics give pianists some kind of magic ability to write for guitar.
Nathan Smith
Kek, everyone always hates that piece The last movement is a total groovy gem tho
Owen Jackson
yeah there are some okay moments, but the guy had no business writing a fucking solo sonata for an instrument he didn't understand. out of all of europe, Spanish composers get pigeonholed the worst.
It's funny, but I think it could have been pushed a bit farther to really exaggerate it. It's no more over-the-top than the actual endings of some Beethoven stuff, like Symphony 4 or 5; I forget which one it is.
hey you seem a bit socially unaware, when people ask for favorite sonatas of a composer they almost always mean piano sonatas unless otherwise specified
Isaac Evans
I was fully aware of that. But that assumes that a composer's piano sonatas are necessarily the focus of his sonata output, which is nor the case with composers like Mozart or Brahms.
People tend to overlook a lot of great Mozart and Haydn pieces simply because they project Beethoven's genre predilections onto them.
So pointing this out in the context of Mozart makes sense.
