AOTY coming this week

Hello Jacob

Listening to this
youtube.com/watch?v=pMaH486gDjw
I don't think this is jazz

What the fuck is Djesse

Jacob Collier
JC
Djesse

epic

I think for now he's still in a sort of "experimental" stage, as he is relatively young. I'm sure as he gets even more experience he will start to refine his creative process and start to put the song above the techniques he uses in the songs. However, I definitely do not get the feeling that his songs are only a vehicle for his talents at all. They seem really original not just in a technical way.

Lmao'ing at this atrocious cover art. Just goes to show that all the music theory in the world can't teach you good taste

But it's devoid of any soul.

It's pretty hard to fit his music into a set of genres. I don't like it, but he's genuinely an experimentalist.

hes got a few brilliant tracks though
youtube.com/watch?v=mRpeMYqq3YU
youtube.com/watch?v=ZXIApugIuqk
youtube.com/watch?v=wPY0uKSpfY8
youtube.com/watch?v=OFVVRyFH1vs

faggot

nice trips retard

thanks faggot

He's a multi-instrumentalist with an incredible ear for harmony and a fucking cashew nut where his creativity should be, he's a polymath without a soul

He is incredibly talented but I swear all his songs are basically
>how much obscure music theory ideas can I fit in a 3 mintue song

>be 18 years old
>damn near music theory genius
>first album coming out soon
>already collaborated with musical giants
>already pushing boundaries
>mu seethes

>MUH EGOMANIAC
>MUH NO SOULS
>MUH COVER ART

You fucks will look for any excuse to bitch and shit on someone else. Does it really make you feel better? It doesn’t actually make you better, if you didn’t know.

>multi-instrumentalist

This is the single biggest thing that only impresses normies who have never in their life played an instrument.

It's not like learning an entirely new language - music theory is one and only one. Once you master, or at least become very good at, one instrument and its mechanics, the work needed to learn a new one is significantly lower. The notes will be the same; each instrument does not have its own magical notes. You'll understand tempo, and the connection between the notes, and be able to transpose something to the guitar to the piano and so on very easily, you'll have the finger agility and most importantly the feeling for music, which is the biggest factor for playing music. Things like

>HE STUDIES MUSIC THEORY (something every musician should know)
and
>HE PLAYS MANY INSTRUMENTS

Are little more than marketing gimmicks for dumb normies and pretentious music enthusiasts with the shallowest enjoyment of it, meaning they never learned anything and are easily swayed by elements that sound like magic tricks.

i dont care how smart this chink nigga is his music sucks

He has good technical ability but he lacks the divine spark that actual artists are born with

He reminds me of that porn star with the big ol penis

>The notes will be the same; each instrument does not have its own magical notes
But the technique involved is entirely different. Tell a piano player to learn how to play slide guitar and chances are they'll be barely competent (if all) because the actually movements that your muscles have memorised for certain shapes and techniques won't apply. You're right to say theory and ear training makes it far easier to translate from one instrument to another, but its still an impressive feat if one knows how to play 4+ instruments in an equally expressive and dynamic way. Collier sucks but stop being such a cynical bore

Jordi el niño polla

What i want to see from this guy. I want to see him get angry. Let it all out bro. Show the real you. No one cares how good you are on the instrument.

You need to be brian wilson chanting "Sometimes i feel very sad"

Men have to repress their sadness. But in art you can use it to create through sublimation

i don't play any instruments but I don't think youre right

Not really. For one a lot of people think Collier sucks at drums, so the idea that he's a genius at every instrument is a lie, and second and most importantly every self-respecting, sometimes even entry level musician can play at least two instruments. Will Toledo from Car Seat Headrest plays guitar, drums, piano and bass and he makes simple indie rock.

I'll put this in really simple languague: if, for you, playing music is "memorizing movements" and just repeating them, you do not understand music, and you suck at it. That's the least important aspect.

sure its easy to learn many instruments once you know one. But it is still impressive if you are really good at all of them (like to the level that you could be a professional musician in any one of them).

next album he must force himself to four tracks max
literally the definition of soulless

>my opinion is automatically invalid and wrong but I disagree

Alright.

It's the least impressive thing in the world for a rich kid who grew up in a house full of musical instruments, as I heard Jacob say himself, not be able to play many of them when he has done literally nothing else with his life. There is no magic to him, there is no "special music dust" other than money and privilege and this is visible in his music. I'd reckon he can outplay The Carpenters and he still butchered Close To You whilst they made it a timeless classic.

damn you put up a great argument I have to give you props user. what's your soundcloud?

I don't actually have one, but you can swing by my music school if you'd like. Do you play anything other than this amusing "dumb but arrogant" character of yours?

yeah I don't want to defend Jacob Collier because his music isn't engaging to me and does sound like he is just showing off.

I was thinking more like someone who is good enough in multiple instruments in that they could, say, play jazz on any one of them and could still hang in a group of professional jazz musicians. I say that knowing people of that caliber and they are truly great musicians in all meaningful sense of that word. They are also humble enough not to try and be a youtube personality base on all the instruments they can do so that is appreciable as well.

The more i think about it the more "i just wasnt made for these times" describes jacob.

"they say i got brains but they aint doing me no good"

But brian has a soul.

>They are also humble enough not to try and be a youtube personality base on all the instruments they can do so that is appreciable as well.

This sentence made no sense. But anyway.

No one is questioning that Jacob plays well, but "playing well" and "having talent" are things that only make sense when put against two things: opportunity plus time. Any one person, most likely, who was born a trained monkey like Jacob, in a rich house full of instruments, doing nothing but playing them their entire life, would be a good player. This is undisputable. Therefore the actual talent is measured by what is created, as there are millions, if not billions of amazing fucking players in the world, and not all of them become David Bowie despite being able to outplay his corpse to death. To dumb it down even further, just PLAYING GOOD is a matter of practice. Anyone can do it. CREATING GOOD is a matter of talent.

I'm sick to death of hearing these goddamn marketing jargons that HE KNOWS MUSIC THEORY and HE PLAYS MANY INSTRUMENTS as if this adds any value to the music at all. You can start studying and practicing today. That's the least of it and this is the point.

I think everyone here at some level can agree that at the end of the day, its the quality of the music produced that matters and legitimate innovation in music can come from any source.

>I'm sick to death of hearing these goddamn marketing jargons that HE KNOWS MUSIC THEORY and HE PLAYS MANY INSTRUMENTS as if this adds any value to the music at all. You can start studying and practicing today. That's the least of it and this is the point.
I agree on that point, its just marketing based on the musicians image just like any other marketing ploy that has been historically used to advertise bands or musicians.

The problem with jacob is he is only using one of the ingredients of art. Perception.

He forgot the affect and the style

Only plebs think art is an expression. True artists realize art is an expression and experience

Its not just about you jacob

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This.

Yes, absolutely. What makes me madder is that figures like Jacob can seem quite mythical and put fear into people, making they think that they shouldn't even try if they cannot be like that, that they need to be like that and so on. They talk about "music theory" like some ancient magic from Egypt.

Look at something groundbreaking like American Pie - it's so simple. Simple Am's, Em's, C's, a simple structure, and yet an absolute cultural landmark. No one should be discouraged by this silliness and I hope no one is.

What im saying jacob, is you need to unite Apollo with Dionysus.

Start smoking weed and wear a leather jacket and hang out with poor people jacob

>For one a lot of people think Collier sucks at drums
so you're judging him by second-hand opinions? LMAO I bet the only thing you know about music theory is some paragraphs from wikipedia, so please stop lecturing everybody about your lack of _real_ knowledge

what is his foot game?!

same person

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surprised! you forgot to >> me tho

sry

jacob what im saying is you need to get a heroin addiction and start making songs about sado masochism and hanging out with andy warhol

fuckin kek

bump

I really wish I could see the type of person who thinks ironically or unironically shilling for these mainstream shit artists is a "cool" or "funny" thing to do. It's why I have to believe you people are being paid for this shit, but probably not so it's even more pathetic. You people are everything wrong the world. I wish you would all fuck off and die already. Christ almighty. Stop. It's not funny. Go live your life, you stupid fucking teenagers, and stop wasting your time and my time.

>if, for you, playing music is "memorizing movements" and just repeating them, you do not understand music
holy shit what a blithering idiot

I was never defending Jacob Collier, if you even bothered to actually read my original post. His soulless feel-good wank is tedious, but that doesn't mean I can't acknowledge a talented musician. Also FYI music is "literally" just cumulative instances of time, you speed up a kick pedal and you have a pitched note, you slow down and vice versa. Harmony is just the result of polyrhythms sped up. Yadayada

What bothers me the most about this post is that you've selectively accused me of thinking music is just memorised movements, while ignoring the fact that I talked about expression and dynamics too, something that takes time to build with each instrument. Hell, sometimes the most interesting musicians are the ones who try to imitate other instruments, vocalists or flautists or whatever.

Like I said before, you're a piece of shit cynic who uses car seat headrest as an example in a discussion of music. Guess its hard to see your own cognitive dissonance

>you're a piece of shit cynic who uses car seat headrest as an example in a discussion of music

Literally proved my entire post with this without even realizing it. You dismiss CSH as a lowly example of a musician, and that's technically correct, and still he plays 4+ instruments. So butthurt you couldn't even realize I made your point before you did. Thanks a lot for proving me right.

I don't dismiss him as a lowly musician, I dismiss him as an average songwriter. Your point was that I think music is memorised movements, which literally ignored everything else in my post about all the other compositional and performed elements that goes into a song. It's like you're programmed to shut out any discussion of technical aspects of music, one wonders why...

You literally missed the entire point of my post and reinforced what I said without realizing it. You may not believe it, but you are stupid, and I will not explain myself again after literally every else in this thread already agreed with me.

>I'm right and you're wrong and what you've said proves I'm right but I don't have the intellectual capacity to explain also you're dumb

What a wonderful dance you're doing around the subject. My point was it takes a virtuoso to be a virtuoso on many instruments, not bland indie rock musicians playing competently on a select few. Your point was that I think music is just memorised movements, when I've gone into detail as to why their are intricacies to each instrument that take time to build muscle memory, its not as simple as you're making it out to be. It's such a reductive western attitude that all musical knowledge is easily translatable from one instrument to another. Tonality, temperment, technique, so much is at stake if you're not just a bland white dude playing guitar music and trying to play new instruments. Please, for god's sake, listen to more music man.

>Your point was that I think music is just memorised movements

It's so hilarious that this offended you so much when it was actually the gist of what you said in your post. You don't even care about the big point I made in this thread, just the way I adressed you, which speaks to how butthurt and narcisistic you are. Everything you are saying I have already responded to to different people, and I'm not going to waste my time again because the discussion went cold about an hour before you replied (probably hoping I wouldn't still be here) and you're not very interesting, to be honest. And yes, I'm still correct. Even if you take into account the minutia of each instrument, the specific movements that have to be built and memorized, you'll still memorize them far easier if you have a previous understanding of music and a base to compare it to, which was what I originally said. The biggest challenge is getting over that first hurdle. This cannot even be argued against, it's just factual.

You're mad AND wrong, which just combines into shameful.

This is legendary

>You don't even care about the big point I made in this thread, just the way I adressed you
oh boy, give yourself a pat on the back fella, what a statement it was! I don't give a shit about your bold proclamations or conversations with other people, I'm telling you to follow the chain with mine. You took a single part of my post, told me I don't understand music and then refused to make the logical connection between them. All you do is run away, pathetic.

I never even disagreed with your fundamental point, just that a true virtuoso doesn't consider performance and respectful technique "minutia". "Music skills are translatable" is not the same thing as "music skills are instantaneously accessible on separate instruments". You're either a genuine virtuoso or a naive pseud flexing on the internet. Playing guitar and bass guitar is not the same as playing the dijeridoo and the erhu. Your naivety about what it takes to accomplish that is insane

>It's so hilarious that this offended you so much when it was actually the gist of what you said in your post.
See, you're still being reductive and not telling me where I claimed it was the only thing in music. I mention "expression" and "dynamics" and you gloss over it like its all the same thing.

>Even if you take into account the minutia of each instrument

this
also; none of his output holds any aesthetic value. fuck this dick

>I never even disagreed with your fundamental point

This is forever marked as the part where you realized you genuinely could not disagree with me but still hard to argue to save face. It's painfully laughable to listen to this fucking fraud talking about "respectful technique", "expression" and "dynamics" thinking you'll fool somebody. Let's go for the kill.

The big challenge for learning "music" is understanding the concepts, much like everything else. The mechanics and movements become easier to absorb once you know why they are the way that they are, meaning that, yes, while a piano player may not be able to slay on guitar in his first day of trying it out, if he's an experienced player and understands piano he will play guitar much faster and much easier than someone who has never touched an instrument, because a lot of the knowledge will translate. This is FACT. It's shameful to have to explain facts that cannot be wrong because they are facts.

This is why a world-class rock climber can also perform high level calisthenics, why mixed martial arts exists, why movie directors also direct commercials and TV shows and, in short, why every person who truly grasps a concept, whatever it may be, is able to apply it to different scenarios that share the same basic principles with relative ease when compared to newcomers, and why treating a "multi-instrumentalist" like some four-headed dragon is just marketing.

As for "but he plays really good though!", I already talked about it here . Be rich, have a kid, train him like a monkey since birth and you can also have your own Jacob. There are millions all throughout history and millions alive today who are absolute beasts and even better than him. It's hardly an extraordinary feat to be rich, live in a home with every possible instrument and have a lot of free time with parents who pay for your musical education. That's also why he has absolutely nothing to say about life; he hasn't lived any.

cont.

It's visible in this latest post that you're much less cocky already. Take this sudden realization that you are wrong as a hint to stop trying. Creating strawmen like

>"music skills are instantaneously accessible on separate instruments"

will not help you. You are not impressive and you cannot hold your own. You may now go to sleep thinking you could've spared yourself the spanking.

>This is forever marked as the part where you realized you genuinely could not disagree with me but still hard to argue to save face
point to where in my chain that I directly disagreed with your original post. You replied to me directly to make some grand statement that was only tangentially related to a post I made shitting on collier's lack of creativity. All I did was acknowledge his ability and you went on a rant about normies being swayed by multi-instrumental talent, which isn't even true btw, the majority of the biggest names in contemporary popular music are all solo artists who mostly sing or rap. I was simply pointing out the fact that your post was basically
>"cmon bro just be yourself on any instrument you like its easy!"
Forgive me, but I find it difficult to take it on CSH and faith alone that you're competent enough to know this.

absolutely AWFUL take

>you will have the finger agility
literally kek’d

>short response
>not disagreeing with anything I said
>trying to justify yourself

And this is forever marked as when you were done. But I see it now, it makes sense.

I replied to you "directly" to comment on the word "multi-instrumentalist," you narcisistic fuck, not because I was actually talking to you. If you had reading comprehension above that of a child you'd be able to understand this, as many people did and even commented on what I said despite me also not replying directly to them. That's how forums work. Your original post was so bland I don't even remember it. Now let's go for the burial.

>point to where in my chain that I directly disagreed with your original post.

Right here, in the creation of this strawman

>"Music skills are translatable" is not the same thing as "music skills are instantaneously accessible on separate instruments"

Disagreed with something that wasn't even said. And you are so, so ungodly stupid that you did it again in this very post.

>"cmon bro just be yourself on any instrument you like its easy!"

Creating another ridiculous strawman, to which you immediately proceeded to disagree.

I would also talk about that pathetic attempt to samefag without even changing your writing and quoting style, but I think you may be embarassed enough by yourself at this point.

Not a single person was fooled by you today.

>I replied to you "directly" to comment on the word "multi-instrumentalist,"
so you hijack my "bland" post to show off to your friends on the internet, and then proclaim to have ended my whole career in cringey phrases like "lets go for the burial"? yeah man, you really ended this whole man's career. your post chain is nothing but swagger and hot air. You know, now matter how many times you say "you're done", it just isn't true. It is however evidence of your sad desperation to claw back some kind of victory

>Right here, in the creation of this strawman
you've said the word "strawman" so many times its lost all significance. If you want to actually have an argument, you take apart points, you don't just call every claim a strawman and then puff out your chest and make retarded comments li. I'm giving you a short response because you're simply not worth the effortposting you've displayed in this fabulously reddit-formatted post

>I'm giving you a short response because you're simply not worth the effortposting

Imagine getting so humiliated online that you start doing what you criticized your opponent for doing. YOU'RE NOT EVEN WORTH MY TIME MAN. Are you gonna start sucking my dick next as well?

Your post says literally nothing. And yes, reducing things to short, ridiculous phrases that convey meanings that weren't said is creating and attacking a strawman. Google it. I have an inkling you don't know what it means.

I'm curious, what instruments do you play? Because you're completely wrong, unless its some retarded shit like the theramin and a triangle

it looks like 2 idiots arguing in the distance

Duh-yes-he

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