What went wrong?

That season was kino. I loved the emo dude fighting with the faggot nigger

No. Golden Age MTV died when Kurt Cobain clout martyred himself. That's when rock initially went belly-up.

RIP Kurt. See you in Heaven...

nah trl was just pop shit, 90s were the last time they were doing anything interesting
by then they were relegated to small blocks

90s alt rock continued to be good until nu metal killed it. I'd say that's when MTV started going downhill as well.

Music videos on tv? Lol what’s the point when there’s YouTube??? Stupid boomers in the 90s why didn’t they just watch them on heir phones???

2001 was when MTV stopped being the music video channel and started being the Real World/Road Rules channel.

t. 30-year old boomer who remembers when MTV still played music

But the real world was on since like 91 and road rules came a few years later.

By that I mean, MTV played more Real World/Road Rules than music around that time.

Pretty sure most music by the early 00s was relegated to MTV2.

That's also it. MTV launched MTV2 which was supposed to be round-the-clock music videos just so they could play more reality shows.

Reality shows, but it would not have survived the youtube era anyway

Yes, we all know that it started in '92 but it became popular and dominated the channel in the late 90s. Early seasons of the show were more serious in manner.

MTV2 was also more alternative/indie sort of stuff for a while, but started to veer more in the pop and rap direction and then too started doing tv programming (some was good at first, but soon the whole channel became mostly MTV reruns and rap blocks with indie stuff moved too the wee hours of the morning on weekends)

not a big loss for music.

Stopped playing music videos.

Am I a boomer for saying I just want to see and hear art? I'm not into TRL shot out trash and reality tv. Beavis and Butthead was fun both times around. They were only one cynical step removed from the source. The documentary stuff they did once and awhile didn't feel like the cancer ridden society the west is scaffolding now.

Honest question: are there any older boomers on here who remember what exactly happened on MTV in the days following Kurt's death? Did his suicide really impact MTV that much? I ask, because I've seen others say this as well but never understood why.

Became pointless once the vast majority of people got high speed home internet. The equivalent here in Canada is MuchMusic. I used to watch it a lot as a kid (Leah Miller was one of my first big crushes) for music since I didn't get home internet until around 2006 or 2007 so I was still pretty familiar with the programming. Up until then it was still very music focused programming; they'd do the weekly Top 30 chart, they'd have some series where they'd talk to bands, they'd have music RELATED show, they'd usually have two hour blocks of music videos from the 80s, etc. Then they slowly started to branch away from music. First I remember they started showing movies but they'd always have some sort of music theme (either straight up revolving around music like a movie such as Drumline or at least a movie with a big musical star acting in it like all of those Hilary Duff ones or Lindsay Lohan, etc.) Then shows like The OC began being played a lot, 'Greek' shortly after (honestly I liked both shows), etc. For the last few years when I scroll past the MuchMusic channel for fun it's pretty much just huge blocks of shows like The Simpsons, South Park, etc. Not even just at later hours like 9pm and on, but at like 4pm. I noticed that CMT (country music tv station) is there too. I remember it began around the same time as MuchMusic's veering off, but they would show stuff like 'Reba' (which I love), According to Jim', etc. Now they show old episodes of stuff like America's Funniest Home Videos and even King of the Hill and Everybody Loves Raymond.

It was inevitable. Cable's dying off much in line with Boomers dying off. Music TV dying off is sort of like CD's dying off. Once you can just download stuff (especially with the rise of being able to do it in mobile form) there's no reason to sit around and wait for it to come on TV. That all said, it was super comfy back in the day waiting for songs I really liked to get played, and I even bought a CD as recently as last fall.

Yeah I love new York and San Francisco.

No.

The pullback against Marilyn Manson and Columbine really signals the end of the 90s to me. Mtv got dropped from some cable providers, Fuse the canadian counter attempt and VH1 started or at least became more prominent. All the material got dilluted and music videos tapered. VH1 felt like pre reddit humor tripe. Warped Tour went to hell. The end.

>tfw Kurt Loder is in his mid-70s

It's strange how much MTV managed to be a one-generation thing and it couldn't make the transition from Gen Xers to appealing to a Millenial audience.

This DESU.

Columbine and 9/11 caused a lot of the darker and angrier stuff to be removed or regulated. You could even say those two events were the reason so much early 2000s stuff was complete bullshit.

why would people wanna wait for their favorite music video to come on when they can just watch that shit online anytime. shit was destined to fail.

It did though. Just not with music programming.

A lot of things are like that. Facebook. MySpace. iTunes . Blackberry. It happens so often it's funny. It what I love about getting older. Just watching shit change over the decades. I just wish I was smart enough to predict and capitalize on it somehow .

Liberals

More reason to vote libertarian.

Attached: 2FE0A2AB-54DB-4BA4-96BC-8E5CA7A37A06.jpg (216x233, 12K)

>when they can just watch that shit online anytime. shit was destined to fail.
Because Youtube didn't exist until the mid-2000s and it really wasn't until 2008 - 2011 that record labels really began uploading not just new music videos to the site regularly but also many videos from artists' back catalog, eventually being able to upload them in comparable picture quality to an HD cable tv broadcast. Prior to that, tv was the place to see them for the most part.

The reality boom just took over and they prefer making money than televising music videos that doesn't give money and if I were MTv CEO I'll do the same because fuck you guys go watch Despacito in youtube and let me make money.

that muscly black dude was so depressing and embarassing

More like 1998. Beavis and Butthead and alt rock were still around in 97

TRL

That was the beginning of the end

>Did his suicide really impact MTV that much?
Not at all.

>the 2000s
>golden anything
you zoomer kys.

>so much early 2000s stuff was complete bullshit.
but early 2000s stuff was the shit according to Yea Forums oldfags

they decided the m stands for MONEY

2000s in general was complete bullshit.

Teeny bopper, overproduced rap, emo, crunk, post-grune, the last breath of nu metal, indie rock becoming corporatized towards the end, absolutely disgusting.

They just played the Unplugged show on a loop basically

there was literally an mtv news report (a literally 30 second commercial-tier buffer) regarding his death and that was it. no retrospectives until the 2000s. they instead just started focusing on courtney love. 2pac got way more news than kurt after his death.

I remember that people that never talked about or showed any interest in Nirvana were suddenly Nirvana superfans. It was the first time I ever saw the suicide effect make a band mega popular overnight.

but what about the memes?

Attached: desu.jpg (360x270, 25K)

Kind of ironic how Kurt has been designated the icon of the era.

You're just saying this because you were probably like 12 years old when the 90s ended

>2pac got way more news than kurt after his death.
what about biggie (because he was better than 2pac) (listening to ready to die rn btw)

So was Kurt really regarded as a "clout martyr" when he died or is that just posthumous mystique created in order to booster Nirvana sales?

Death of Headbangers Ball

I was six years old when the 90s ended.

both 2pac and biggie (even before that, with the east coast/west coast label beefs) got WAAYYY more coverage than kurt.

kurt's death had no significance in the 90s.

mtv just moved on. the band they started really focusing on (besides hole) was the smashing pumpkins. the smashing pumpkins were THE "mtv band" of the 90s. nirvana kind of came and went.

dave grohl made a bigger impact on the channel with the foo fighters though. round the clock coverage, playing their songs. you didn't hear any nirvana after 1994 on the channel.

Not him, but I actually turned 11 three days before the 90s ended and I'm even old enough to remember the music of the 90s being much better than the music of the 00s. 90s alt rock was so much better than emo or CVS-core.

Radiohead was the biggest band of the 90s

third to oasis and blur. and only specifically in the uk.

That, and the Foo made very funny music videos which got a lot of play.

Pretty sure REM and U2 were way bigger in the 90s in England than Radiohead were.

I associate MTV with nirvana way more than 2pac/biggie so that's a bit surprising. Maybe partly because of unplugged. What exactly did MTV do when their death happened? did they play more videos? Or did they have specials?

(gimme the loot is playing rn btw) (and if she's resistant BAKKA BAKKA BAKKA)

>or is that just posthumous mystique created in order to booster Nirvana sales?
this. this. this.

interest in kurt starts around the release of nirvana's greatest hits album:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_(Nirvana_album)

notice the date of its release:

October 29, 2002.

this was went people started paying attention to the "influence" of nirvana. that was the whole marketing push behind this album. it was also released around the time when a band called the vines became popular and claimed to be influenced by nirvana.

before this date, no one cared about nirvana. not even dave grohl.

They played their unplugged a lot that spring/summer. But by '95 had totally moved on.

What did they do for 2pac and biggie? (I live for the funk, I die for the funk) (All I want is bitches, big booty bitches)

Whereas Tupac and Biggie had a lot of posthumous videos come out that got a lot of play in the years after.

Reality TV, then it went downhill after that. I'm old enough to actually remember MTV and MTV2 when they actually played music. MTV2 played a lot of great indie, and underground shit for a while. Such a shame it went to complete garbage in the late 90's early 00's.

>posthumous videos
Couldn't that have more to do with the record labels than the network?

Yes, but they still played them when they didn't have to.

Interesting, because I remember quite vividly how VH1 (not MTV) started shilling Nirvana a lot during the very early 2000s, 10th anniversary of Nevermind and all that. I think that's when Kurt started getting propped up as a "legend". I know they always ranked Nirvana quite high on the "100 Greatest Artists of Rock" countdown shows.

The music became shit

>What exactly did MTV do when their death happened?
mtv biopics, mtv news, lots and lots of various shows that covered both biggie and 2pacs death.

those two deaths were the big change in music in the 90s. old boomers, if you remember with me, remember music before 1996/early 1997? in the early-mid/mid 90s rap and rock music was "real" and "heavy". when 2pac and biggie die, music starts to lighten up again. we get

no doubt
spice girls
will smiths "big willy style"
puffy daddy's no way out

music starts to change from the grunge era into the pop era - because having two rap stars die at the hands of the things they rapped about was too much for the general public

kurt shooting himself in the head in a cabin in buttfuck washington didn't change anyone's opinion on music and what direction it should go

.....

fuck the 90s were awesome as shit

From like 1995 to 2001 bands cited Alice in Chains and Pearl Jam as influences way more than they did Nirvana. Then Nirvana became trendy to like among new waves of teenagers and people act now like they were the biggest most influential thing ever

not gonna lie, the only music video I remember playing on MTV was jessica simpson's "boots were made for walking" because I was a horny teen at the time

Attached: 3aabc820056cec738cdfda62ce74aa45.jpg (736x414, 68K)

IMO, The Real World fucked the channel for good. I remember even in the mid 00's were they'd play music videos in the early morning hours. We can't help but ask ourselves as genuine music fans, what the fuck happened and why did MTV and it's related channels turn to nothing but the literal mind numbing lowest common denominator drool monkey asinine load of maggot infested dog shit?

more biggie is always appreciated
(hold on, I hear somebody comin')

Nobody is indispensable which is different unless you're the point of reference of God in Earth.

MTv just went full reality shows, there was really no conspiracy in anything else more than the big audience they got while struggling with videos that don't leave as much.

'97 best year:

youtube.com/watch?v=HAkHqYlqops
youtube.com/watch?v=fGj77BrEgj4
youtube.com/watch?v=rmHDhAohJlQ
youtube.com/watch?v=fiBLgEx6svA
youtube.com/watch?v=9ro0FW9Qt-4
youtube.com/watch?v=jyJU2136ym4
youtube.com/watch?v=5qSAMtomFvk
youtube.com/watch?v=_ivt_N2Zcts
youtube.com/watch?v=9uiYp8xKjLM
youtube.com/watch?v=4JkIs37a2JE

>in the early-mid/mid 90s rap and rock music was "real" and "heavy".
I always thought ready to die killed "gangtsa" rap just because nothing after it (or before it) even came close to it when it came to it when the subject was "the streets". But maybe it was a bigger change than just biggie killing the genre singlehandedly.

(die motherfuckers, die motherfuckers die)

Remember the "unplugged" sessions? What the fuck happened to that? For example, why did some cringy, annoying, italian trash like the whole " Jersey Shore" Crew become more valuable than music? It's beyond the time that it shouldn't be called "MTV", but more like "ETV" (entertainment television). We can't forget them giving us shit like Jackass, Celebrity Deathmatch, Fear, and other great shows that went far from the original point.

>Remember when the trailers to the new episodes of FEAR used to scare the shit out of you?

>Godsmack's "awake" plays
>MAWM TURN IT OFF, TURN IT OFF AAAHHHHHH

12 angry viewers was kino

yeah some of the early shows were pretty good like jackass but at some point it just got really vapid and celebrity oriented

So what would you oldfag MTVfags say was more important musical-wise: kurt, bigge/2pac, or 9/11?

Remember when alice in chains debutes a new song on their unplugged?
*sips* the good ol days

2pac and biggie's deaths killed gansta rap (at least to the public)
people wanted more poppy sounding hip hop and puff daddy (along with master p and no limit records who popularized southern rap which would later lead to the trap music of today) were happy to move in that direction. that moment of their two deaths is what created the 3rd act of the 90s with the pop shit like britney spears and backstreets boys, etc.

I'd be on a revival of "Fear" no questions asked, gimme that $50,000 grand for a night in an abandoned asylum.

biggie

9/11 honestly didn't change that much on mtv because videos were on their way out. It actually boosted people's careers (ie. Ryan Adams' "New York New York" became a his first hit on MTV2).
The bigger impact was on radio with the Clearchannel list and a bunch of country artists making songs about blowing up Iran and shit.

classic 120 minutes and Beavis and Butthead were the shit and you could actually learn about artists from them
if something's more profitable you can't avoid that but man I wish MTV was still cool

>jewel
>meredith brooks
Not going to lie, I miss the Lilth Fair/90s girl power era of music.
youtube.com/watch?v=NVBiNQr2osA
youtube.com/watch?v=FaY5-LGYJKc
youtube.com/watch?v=0PjLkB7BlpA
youtube.com/watch?v=4iuO49jbovg
youtube.com/watch?v=6e3bKUFclLw
youtube.com/watch?v=x-zxsLYXeM0
youtube.com/watch?v=zWxzM9_gEo0
youtube.com/watch?v=FFOzayDpWoI

It was good shit. There were some real cool women in country music at the time too (Dixie Chicks, Shania, Faith Hill).

Sorry sweetie, but youre forgetting the biggest influencer to trap music

Attached: 397138539_1dbd40c99b.jpg (500x309, 54K)

even a lot of fear was faked, the crew and contestants went through some legit shit and one girl literally has ptsd from doing the "moundsville penitentiary" episode.

>(along with master p and no limit records who popularized southern rap which would later lead to the trap music of today) were happy to move in that direction.
makes since, I guess that explains why Wu Tang was never as big as they should have been.

(lol fucking method man just came up in ready to die as I typed that)

wtf my mom posts here?

youtube.com/watch?v=dyihQtBes1I
youtube.com/watch?v=GpBFOJ3R0M4
youtube.com/watch?v=mS1Ckczz0LQ

>one girl literally has ptsd from doing the "moundsville penitentiary" episode.
I read something about that before actually. Never got much but that the whole experience really fucked with her.

>9/11

as a college student around the time of 9/11, i can tell you i started using the internet more AFTER 9/11 to escape from the horrible shit i was seeing on the news
started using music forums, etc.
9/11 is one of the reasons why i don't watch tv (at all)
most millenials moved to the internet around this time

there was a mtv news thing with carson daly interviewing an iraqi dude around our age literally a few moments before the U.S. started bombing iraq and the invasion started. this was 2003. the guy is screaming as the bombs are dropping and carson daly is talking to him trying to calm him down. it was horrible.

i was done with mtv after that. i've never watched mtv since. i came back to tv at various points throughout the 2000s. got into the show "intervention" and a little of "the office" but that was it for me.

>about blowing up Iran and shit.
baste Paul Shanklin
youtube.com/watch?v=_iKuMVqht4U

Nah, I'm a 30-year old chick. This kind of shit was what I vaguely remember being played on the radio during my childhood: women who could kick your ass with their voices alone. Now what do we have today? Dime-a-dozen "welcome-to-my-kitchen" indie girl bullshit.

Spoiler: every woman claims to have a form of ptsd

You grew up

>Nah, I'm a 30-year old chick
Have you hit the wall?

I'm kind of a butterface to be quite honest. I'm tall and skinny but I have a weird-looking face.

Nah, apparently she needed serious therapy after the filming of the episode. You can probably google it and find out about it. Staged or not, I don't care how hard you think you are, you're going to be freaked the fuck out being almost alone in an abandoned prison that's over 100+ years old and had a history of violence, abuse, etc with nothing but a camera facing you and a shitty low lumen led flash light.

based
i'd take that stuff over bille eilish type shit any day desu

Nice. You married or what?

Well, judging by the fact that you're on this site...

yeah some of the crew on many of the FEAR episodes experienced real shit setting up the shit to fuck with the contestants,and the contestants experiencing real shit, and some stories made up. what else can you say?

what the fuck doest mtv even show now
last i paid attention it was teen mom and jersey shore and that was years ago now

Agreed. She's such an underwhelming performer, terrible vocal range, boring vocal style. If I went to one of her live shows the only thing keeping me awake would be Denzel Curry in the wing yelling "BITCH BITCH BITCH".

Dating a guy currently.

Focusing more on the TV aspect than the Music aspect.

nothing but reruns of ridiculousness, teen mom, and catfish: the tv show apparently:

mtv.com/tv-schedule

>getting spooked by the paranormal
Thats not very kvlt of you, Brandon

Attached: oysteindisproves.jpg (181x278, 5K)

Early Jackass was just rip-offs of the cKy vids, or things taken from cky : landspeed and cky2k that were safe enough for tv. Even though they did a lot of obvious original stuff.

Even though I dig a lot of occult oriented music and other things. Sometimes, the paranormal is nothing to fuck with. Trust me on this one.

I forgot "wildboyz" too, Chris Pontius, and Steve-o gave some fucking great laughs. Like when they went to brazil and put on those tribal gloves full of bullet ants (one of the most painful bug stings) and just went for it, balls to the wall, no fuck given. That shit was hard as fuck, and you got to give props to Chris and Steve-O for just going for it.

Personally one bite from a bullet ant and my ass would be running around in circles crying.

Wow (it's literally this the entire day)

Attached: 2019-06-09-023317_451x818_scrot.png (451x818, 56K)

I hate that kids these days don't remember Rob from his days skating for DC and dropping hammers like it was fucking nothing. Only to know him for this stupid show and some annoying ass girl that laughs at literally anything like she's had a frontal lobe lobotomy.

nigga wtf

Attached: 2019-06-09-023609_1340x188_scrot.png (1340x188, 55K)

jesus christ they dont even have new reality shows, it's like the same as it was in 2011 minus jersey shore

lol who's watching this still

I forgot to add, I had one of his alien workshop decks growing up. I didn't, and still don't fuck with DC shoes though.

Probably the same people who watch daytime TV talk shows.

Protip: TV is for people who can't afford high-speed internet.

only pro board I remember having was Dennis Busenitz and it was skeletons giving the finger and I can't find it on the internet.

also
>google.com/search?q=Dennis Busenitz
>Height: 6 10
holy fuck

I remember that too.

>kurt's death had no significance in the 90s.
Why do I get the feeling you weren't even born in the 90s and you are just shitposting?

?? no, apart from like a select few things that came out in the sweet spot between 2004/5-2009, most Yea Forums oldfags would tell you that the majority of music from 2000-2007 was garbage. yes, there are a few albums here and there, because every year, no matter how shitty, has something or other worth listening to. but nobody in their right mind would say the early 2000s was a good time for music

>very funny music videos

Attached: uhhhhdog.jpg (313x286, 71K)

that's the commercial emo normies who listened to what they thought was 'alternative music' when really their entire identity was marketed to them super hard

I mean, just look at the year-end charts.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billboard_Year-End_Hot_100_singles_of_2002

I was talking about Yea Forums oldfags, not Yea Forums oldfags.

Attached: Grinman.jpg (600x791, 426K)

Surprised that 'The Middle' is so low on that list (even though it's still pretty high up). I would've thought that it would've been in the top five or so. Still like that song and early JEW. Makes me feel old as shit, though, to think how old that song is.

>why did ____ become more valuable than music
when nu metal took over and everybody decided the music part of mtv was a joke and stopped tuning in, apart from shit like the real world and jackass. so they put all their money into more reality tv and general programming, created mtv2 as the main place for music videos, and eventually even that got phased into whatever bullshit tv shows they had instead thanks to the internet

Clarity is one of those albums that's under appriciated, but well know to real emo and music fans. I feel like more people really need to listen to it because it's a product of it's time and " Goodbye Sky Harbour" is fuckign amazing.

well there's your problem. weebs and neckbeards (and pedophiles if you're talking true oldfags) will always have shit taste

Yea Forums memes were funny in the early mid 00s because the site wasn't mainstream at all by that point, it was before fox and good morning america did reports on this place and it got associated with that celebrity nude scandal and of course the election which all brought more normies to the fold. It was a more outsider humor. General mainstream pop culture was awful though.

I mean, it would be hilarious as fuck to listen to Billie Eilish or Juice WRLD perform their songs unplugged. Watch them sound like ass without all the vocal processing.

Whatever makes you feel better about yourself dude.

mtv died as soon as daria finished

That was a good show, along with liquid TV.

honestly yeah, they probably stopped doing it because every popular artist since at least 2003 (maybe longer) has used pitch correction on their albums. around that time you had people like...idk, alicia keys and nelly furtado, who definitely have shit voices without it

On April 18, 2017, MTV announced that they would bring TRL back as MTV Live, but on July 30, 2017, it was announced that the show would return as a revived TRL, feature five new rotating hosts: Rapper/comedian DC Young Fly, Chicago radio host Erik Zachary, Amy Pham, Tamara Dhia, and Lawrence Jackson. A brand new Times Square studio was built to act as the show's new home.

In late 2017, the show added multiple online influencers as rotating co-hosts. This included Gabbie Hanna, Liza Koshy, Eva Gutowski, The Dolan Twins, & Gigi Gorgeous.

As of January 22, 2018, TRL was halved from a full hour to only a half-hour per day. The program then went on a hiatus until April 23, 2018.[17] Jackson left the show in 2018.

In February 2018, a half-hour late-night edition of TRL, Total Request LateNight was launched. The show airs Monday and Tuesday at 11 PM. MTV announced plans to expand the show to three nights in the summer and four nights by the end of the year, but this never materialized.[18]

>liquid TV
And for the zoomers, liquid TV was Adult Swim before Adult Swim. Just letting y'all know.

On April 23, 2018, MTV launched a pre-recorded, hour-long daily morning edition of TRL titled Total Request AM. The show aired at 8am and was hosted by Sway. Vinny from Jersey Shore was brought on as host for the week and the first guests were boy band PrettyMuch. The program featured the return of a top ten countdown focusing on a specific playlist (Monday Motivation being the first countdown).[18]

Total Request AM logo
Also, on April 23, 2018, it was announced that TRL stood for Total Request List. The name change is due to the fact that TRL is now pre-taped and is no longer live. The final episode of TRL AM premiered on November 30, 2018. By mid-December, TRL-branded episodes were no longer airing on MTV channels nor available on demand and TRL social media accounts no longer listed TRL AM as a daily show. As of December 2018 TRL no longer airs on MTV and is a social channel only. Late night after shows have lost the TRL branding as of January 2019. In early March 2019, TRL's social media accounts went dormant.

On Saturday, April 13, 2019, MTV started to air a new version, titled, TRL Top 10 on Saturdays at 10AM ET on its flagship channel. This appears to be the third re-tooling of TRL after a 5-month hiatus. The one-hour block features a top 10 video countdown, guests, and other segments. Returning along Sway are Kevan Kenney and Jamila Mustafa, both whom joined the show as infrequent co-hosts during the latter end of the previous re-tooling.

120 minutes was high quality

although, to be fair, the 'hackers on steroids' fox report didn't change Yea Forums nearly as much as oprah's 'over 9000 penises' thing and the general 'anonymous' fearmongering that started to happen in the cultural sphere after that.

Ok shill, no one wants to watch TRL again except the newer generation that didn't get to experience it in it's hey-day.

>weebs and neckbeards (and pedophiles if you're talking true oldfags) will always have shit taste
wrong on all counts

Attached: i am boss.jpg (500x500, 31K)

Alicia was a decent artist. Nelly Furtado's stuff was horribly over-produced.

spoken like a true neckbeared weeb pedophile

yeah the anonymous boogeyman was a big thing for a while in the late 00s early 10s, and the scientology activist autists bringing it into real life. there was also mainstream attention here and there for things like that time magazine poll or the hitler did nothing wrong poll rigging, which were funny but also brought a lot of newfags.

honestly, i thought alicia keys was fine for a long time, but then i happened to catch her singing live at a charity thing once and her voice was complete and utter ass. not just, like, a little off. she sang 'blackbird', was flat the whole time, and tried doing vocal runs that she had no business doing. i was just kinda like 'huh, this is surprising and sad'

A lot of shit in the mid 90's into the mid-00's was painfully over produced. Where have you been?

i mean, the scientology protests were maybe the one interesting thing ever done in the name of anonymous, but it did also lead to a lot of idiots doing a bunch of unrelated things here and there under the guise of 'we are legion' and shit

Kind of like Christina Aguilera where she just belts shit out with no fucks given and sounds like complete shit while thinking she sounds great. There's a lot of past and modern singers that do that. Overdoing it has always been cheesy, and borderline offensive to people that have a somewhat good ear for music. I hate, I hate myself for having to reference Family Guy, but they hit the nail on the head. youtube.com/watch?v=75n2AUnwzgs

Doesn't surprise me honestly. It could also be due to years of poor technique on her part.

I'm aware. Late 90s R&B was production overload.

that's just that whole generation of 'divas tryna be mariah carey who was tryna be whitney houston' thing. but even christina aguilera is like a bit more in tune from what i remember

Honestly, Mariah set the tone, and the rest tried to rip her off by trying to sound "soulful and powerful" when it really sounded like trash. Not dissing Mariah because she had a memorable song or two. The rest were just flash in the pan, discount store copies.

No it wasn't the scientology raids were pure cancer.

Reminds me of today where every female singer is just another 'whale-cum-teh-meh-kittssschen' girl who thinks she sounds "deep". That shit was already old by 2012.

Yeah, but Scientology is nothing but a bullshit money laundering, people torturing quasi-satanic cult though.

oh of course, fuck scientology

In 1998-1999 Korn, Limp Bizkit and Kid Rock suddenly became massively successful. I theorize that their popularity came in response to 1997, which was probably the least angsty year of the 90s, since it was full of stuff like the Spice Girls, Hanson, Backstreet Boys, Sugar Ray's Fly and Aqua. In 1998-99 you still had Nsync, Britney and all the previously mentioned stuff, but they were competing with heavier music, unlike in 97, when they were competing with watered down alt rock music like Alanis Morissette

>mariah set the tone
no sir, mariah would be nothing without whitney

>Fuck those songs are kinda lame, but that list gave me such a strong feeling of Nostalgia. I want to be young again.

You're talking about Lordewave. Billie, Melanie, Halsey, Alessia, Daya, they're all part of that and all have nearly identical alto voices. Lorde is the 2010s Mariah.

Who cares about them? It was probably just scientology agents using Yea Forums for publicity anyway. Fucking dumbass kids I hate those sheep.

Late 90s-early to mid 2000s soft rock is what you hear playing on the CVS radio. CVS-core.

In fact, a lot of former 90s alt rock acts ended up making that kind of music once the decade changed.

Perfect example, slurred, half ass "xan'd out brah" "sultry" singing voice that's nothing but as offensive and grating as before. At least the typical raspy "indie girl MY KETCHEN, AVACADS" voice was tolerable as one time. This shit is just lazy, no talent, "look at me, pick me" diarrheal dog shit.

people doing things in the name of anonymous in general is pure cancer, yes. my point was just that, if you're gonna do it, better to at least rally a shit ton of people against an insane life-destroying cult than just 'lol i'm a haxxor' nonsense.

Forgot the vid. youtube.com/watch?v=OVQXiKnx3mE

To be fair, Billie's unprocessed voice sounds worse than hers.

Also:
>white girl singing n-bombs

there's a male variant of that indie girl voice too i've noticed that's really common in 2010s pop, it's most common in radio "alternative" stuff that "whoa oh oh" sort of "gruff" yet effete folksy hipster voice like in the lumineers and mumford and sons and shit.

>satanic
sure, L. Ron was O.T.O at one point, but at least most satanic practices are all about individuality and force of will, whereas scientology just breaks your identity and makes you kind of relinquish your agency for the sake of acting on their behalf and doing what they want you to do.

You can blame Arcade Fire for that but I'm sure it started much earlier.

She's Russian, and tried to pass it off like she doesn't know what she's saying. Bullshit.
I know what you mean, it's like this but with a more vocal fry type sound. Hard to explain unless you hear it.

the worst is that most male singers do this kind of thing too now

>Billie, Melanie, Halsey, Alessia, Daya
And none of these ladies are very good singers to begin with.

They're on to some sketchy shit my guy, and always have been. They're fucked.

>Hard to explain unless you hear it.
Post example.

Haha religion sux dude atheism for life scientology doesnt even pray to YAHWEH*tips fedora*

Attached: Atheist.jpg (1842x1036, 69K)

I had to work with a girl that was cool as shit, but she only listened to shit like this (before Billie), and it used to drive me insane. That raspy bullshit voice about "I'm so upper class, but I live and think like I'm lower class and know about all of the issues I've read in nylon and vice"

>dating a guy currently
>dating
>not swinging from chad dick to chad dick
>not whoring out for college tuition then dropping out of college
Trap spotted

Listen to the bands that have been talked about, it's seriously that easy dipshit.

nah, there are SECTS of satanism of that are on some sketchy shit, but actually praying/worshipping/performing rites for satan is missing the main point, which is more or less just 'think for yourself and ask questions.' people are just dumb and take that in the wrong direction 99% of the time. i'm not a satanist or anything, i just think comparing scientology to satan does satan a disservice, since scientology is fucking monstrous.

Dude, I'm drunk as fuck. I get what you're saying but I'm really NOT trying to get into a deep conversation about Scientology and satanism right now. It's even off topic in this thread.

burp.

I know it's been said to death ad nauseum on this board, but Billie is probably the worst offender in terms of being fake deep/fake woke. I don't buy she knows what human suffering is like just because she knows a lot of socially conscious rappers or whatever. A lot of her lyrics come off as pretty cavalier. Halsey is also pretty cringy in terms of look-at-me-i'm-bisexual-biracial-and-bipolar-my-identity-is-such-a-struggle-LOL. Melanie was up there but at least she stuck mostly to her ABDF bullshit.

>accusing me of being a trap while I'm on the rag
Also, at 30 I'm lucky to have one guy in my life who finds me attractive.

>dislikes scientology, must be a bill maher loving atheist who somehow also likes YHWH
what a fucking jump

we are all drunk at this time of night

i got my hamms right here bud

>hipsters want to live the poor lifestyle but not actually be poor
what a shocker, then they go gentrify low income neighborhoods, drive up the rent, and kick people out.

SO URBAN, SO CULTURED, SO HIPSTER

IT'S SO NOT "LOW-KEY" RACIST

Cancelled Clone High and Wonder Showzen in their primes

I get it, but she's not making music for a guy my age at almost 29. She's a teen making music for teens. I could honestly care less about how she made it, even though the marketing strategies behind her are genius. You have to realize dude, a lot of musicians and entertainers as a whole come from privileged backgrounds. It's not a big deal, and has been something that has always been known and in recent years has been used as nothing but a covert marketing strategy.

If only If I got a marketing degree. :/

>a lot of musicians and entertainers as a whole come from privileged backgrounds.
Tell me about it. I live in Montreal and everyone here absolutely hates Grimes (still) for being quite deceptive about her background and how she made it. I was speaking less about backgrounds and more about the terrible ways Billie and Halsey sing about social issues. I couldn't care less if either of them have advantages, more like neither one shows much knowledge or concern for what they're singing about.

why the fuck are you so coherent when drunk?

Maybe US MTV but European MTV kept being decent all throughout the 00s.

Attached: 1517874829017.png (1598x927, 1.58M)

Because he's an attention whoring drama queen that has been caught samefagging replies to himself on many occasions.

They don't know much about actual social issues outside of their bubbles and the shit wrote for them. It's obvious that they both came from well off background. Lying, and doing it well while stretching the truth just a little sells records. Fuck, I could be loaded right now working for a major labels marketing team.
I guess I'm just focusing more on making sense instead of being like LOL IM SO DURNK xD

>pretending like you care or think that what she sang was or at least was trying to be offensive

No one's talking to you or paying attention to your >muh Brandon shit. Get over it dude, it's been long enough.

I don't think you know what 'racist' means.

>MTV Chill Out Zone
>last broadcast in 2017
Holy shit. Actual end of an era.

>"lol all of my friends are dying from prescription pills while i'm just sitting here in the corner watching them lol i'm so wise, stream my album. also did i tell you i'm like super depressed and suicidal and constantly think about my dead friends and how that makes me want to die?"
Pottery.

Not really, do you think anybody really cares about scientology?

Nirvana were never considered 'great' during their heyday and Kurt's suicide (or murder, depending on what you believe) did little to nothing to end the grunge wave. It was already on its way out by the time he died as one could tell by the charts. In Utero had no pop hits unlike Nevermind and Nirvana's fame was already dying down. That's why it's kind of hard to believe the "Kurt died due to not being able to handle his fame" narrative when his fame was already dying by the time he did.

I don't even know what to actually say to this, I think you're a dumbass but I can't think of anything else. I guess, sometimes people go through different shit than you and you attack them for it, while trying to illegitimatize their experiences? I knew people that were doing hard drugs and popping xan's left to right at 16-17, have you really been that sheltered?

no i was making fun of billie's attempts at being deep.

Oh come the fuck on, I don't even like Nirvana and I'm going to say you're completely full of shit.

Autism. He clearly mea-... well here it is:

Went over my head.

Kurt's death got barely any MTV coverage when it happened. Most of the "Nirvana were LEGENDS" shit didn't occur until the early 2000s with the controversy over their greatest hits and box set (which featured unreleased material). The entire thing was a marketing ploy. Truth is, Kurt was never considered a great songwriter or musician when he was alive.

Now you've got all these SoundCloud idiots who want to compare themselves to him just because they like what he was supposed to represent.

>MTV dies
>YouTube algorithms take it's place
Thanks, I hate it.

Are you serious? All I've ever heard from people that were alive back then that it was all over the news (I was 4 years old). Even my parents remember it being a big thing when he killed himself. Why lie about it? To make yourself feel better and mis-inform people? That's really strange.

>Kurt's death got barely any MTV coverage when it happened.
>Source: Dude, trust me!

holy fuck, i remember watching mtv with my bro in early 00s. It was filled with eminem, snoop dogg, coldplay and tommy lee, cool years

See:

If you don't like the band, or Kurt, that's cool. Don't fucking lie about the impact his death had because you probably don't like Nirvana. I'm not a big fan either, but I do respect the impact they had, and still have on music and music fans today. You can't deny that.

first off, liking bill maher has nothing to do with any of it, he's a fucking idiot who gives atheism a bad name by being such a conceited prick about it. second, people whose lives have been affected by scientology tend to give a shit about it, regardless of their beliefs. third, why would an atheist be pro yahweh? even the ones who aren't against religion as a concept but more 'i don't believe, but i also don't give a shit what you believe,' and have any knowledge of the theology behind abrahamic religions would be way more inclined towards first temple ideas, and maybe apocryphal texts as far as new testament. the whole 'all other gods are demons and false idols now so follow me or i'll literally fucking murder you and also i'm gonna test you all the time' thing that came with the shift to yhwh from the previous paradigm of patron gods in different cities is essentially the root of why people stop worshipping to begin with (not counting the whole 'shepherd/flock' mentality, though that comes from the same place)

Well damn. If it weren't for these random Yea Forums posts, I never would've believed you! Thank you for convincing me!

Attached: 1446599943118.png (820x295, 57K)

Everyone forgot about Nirvana up until VH1 (NOT MTV) started shilling them around 2001. That was around the time Krist and Dave were in legal dispute with Courtney over the ownership of Kurt's music and the Greatest Hits were in limbo. Kurt's "legend" status was all a marketing scheme to booster sales.

Nah.

Kill yourself

Prove me wrong.

They're played on the radio all the time you idiot get off discord for 5 seconds

You don't like them, we get it. You don't have to make shit up.

Look at the actual charts m8. Nirvana were two-hit wonders during their heyday. Kurt an hero'd and no one really cared about him afterward until like six years after his death when VH1 kept doing specials about how influential he was.

Why are you lying and being such a shitty troll?

You're an idiot bro, nirvana have always been really popular.

Why do you assume I'm lying? What evidence can you provide to prove the contrary?

Hes an sjw who is crusading against all white males. Did you hear the Beatles best women omg kurt is a rapist

Do Americans not have any 24-hr music video channels? Australia has multiple (V, MAX, CMC etc.)

FUSE is garbage.

They just went bankrupt.

What the fuck are you talking about?

Kurt is a rapist bro

And yet no one gave a shit about him until the early 2000s.

They're the go to band for easy tabs to play

Kurt Cobain was essentially a clout martyr...

Correct.

Everyone is claiming this was a random suicide, but it's clear what was actually happening: he was driven to take his life solely because he was overwhelmed by the enormousness of clout. He couldn't handle the fame and dealt with it by gunning down his 27-year old self.

As Kurt's dead body laid in the greenhouse, he was surrounded by journalists taking pictures of his mangled corpse. Why? For clout. No one was respecting the dead, no one was questioning why he did it, everyone was standing around with their paparazzi cameras as his body lay there rotting in a pool of blood.

The moral lesson of Cobain's life story should be a cautionary tale of the horrors of the culture industry and how it's fucked our society beyond belief.

RIP Kurt. See you in Heaven...

Haha you're 26? I'm 19 and I'm a Derrick hand

The moral lesson of Cobain's life story should be a cautionary tale of the horrors of the culture industry and how it's fucked our society beyond belief.
Yeah, I've read a great theory about this before. I can't say what drove him to do it because I don't know. Somethings make sense, and somethings are just crazy.

Derrick hand?

Wasn’t his face so fucked up he had to be identified with dental records?

I mean, he did take a 12 gauge to the face. It either obliterated his whole head or fucked it up enough to completely shatter his skull.

>muh Kurt was a tortured artist maymay

All television took a nose dive. Just look at what happened to all the "educational" channels
I guess the internet. I guess owners decided to focus less on quality and just give the viewers what they wanted, even if it meant changing the essence of these TV networks completely

This. I remember when TLC showed nature docs.

Not a big loss for music.

Remember when Bravo showed theater performances and opera, among other documentaries and such? And now its just reruns of crappy shows and reality tv about fashion models fighting or some Real Housewives crap

MTV was ALWAYS shit.

They repeated music videos at the first day. Alot of times.

Some of the videos were played 5 times at the first day, 5 times.

More specific
1-The first video replayed was the 54th video played
2-Of the 208 times they played an video 92 times were an video already played before, thats 30% of the plays not being unique
3-Of 117 unique videos they played 62 of those were replayed later at the same day, this means they replayed 34% of the video they played.
4-Assuming you think playing the video 2 times is a ok thing, this would still lead to 11.5% of the videos being 3rd time replay, 4th time replay or fifth time replay.
5-Fashion by david bowie was replayed only 20 video

peak MTV was 1992-1997

fav vids from that era?

More like 85-93.
Consider yourself out-boomered. Now get off my lawn.

/thread

This, MTV was never great but during this time it was at least decent.
My fav videos from then would be:
>Jeff Buckley - So Real
>Nirvana - In Bloom
>Spice Girls - Wannabe