Did they really need Ringo?

Yes. Ringo was essential. In some ways, the most essential member. This is black belt-level pop insight, and nobody can explain it to you, you have to work it out for yourself.

No.

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Yes. Ringo is a good drummer.

>wrote here comes the sun, while my guitar gently weeps and taxman
what did Ringo do?

youtu.be/9oQsKRyihEA?t=29

yes. they really needed a drummer for the first 3 years with all the live shows. then later on the studio albums they benefited from having a dedicated drummer to record with instead of having to have Paul or john track it.

also he was key in the inner workings of the group. the band wouldn't work without him. john didn't hang out with Paul or George outside of work and George needed someone to talk to that wasn't Lennon-McCartney

Take out those songs and the Beatles' discography mostly looks the same. Switch Ringo's style of drumming out and it has the potential of completely changing their sound.

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Yeah, a change for the worse. You probably think TVU would have been better without Moe Tucker's drumming. She was by no means a great drummer, but she is essential to what makes there music great

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>le 900 year old fake image
Go back to r*ddit

I'm well aware of that quote and it doesn't refute what I said. Lack of style is a style in itself, Ringo has an instantly recognizable drumming style.

He never said it, someone else did. And anyone who's heard Paul's drumming on the white album knows that he was a good drummer for a non-drummer, not at Ringo's level.

I'm the one arguing that Ringo was more essential than George user.

That's what that user was saying, I think.

>calling him a beatle

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My bad, I just hate the attitude that simple drumming is necessarily bad and overreacted to the post

How good or bad Ringo was as a drummer is irrelevant. I don't like how Beatles fanatics act like he was some kind of virtuoso. He was just the perfect fit for the band (and apparently almost never made any mistakes), that's all.

youtube.com/watch?v=wJTjjAXDZSY&t=21s

>tfw George Martin was a much more important part of the Beatles
why even bother with Ringo?

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It's particularly foolish because the Beatles' gifts were melodic invention, innovative arrangements and genre-mixing, and experimentation in production, all things best served by steady time-keeping. The whole "Ringo can't drum" thing began in the late 60s because of showboaters like Ginger Baker, but those guys mostly played arse-numbing jams.

In terms of importance

McCartney > power gap > Lennon > power gap > Ringo > George

Mccartney = Lennon >>>> George >>>>>> Ringo

How can you discredit 1/2 of the Lennon-Mccartney duo for fuck sake

do you even like the Beatles lol

McCartney > power gap > Lennon > power gap > Ringo > Yoko > George Martin > their various drug dealers > George

I WANT TO BE, UNDER THE SEA, IN AN OCTOPUS'S GARDEN, IN THE SHADE.

Unironically the best Beatles song.

i reckon ringo was the main reason the band lasted as long as it did
everyone else seemed to hate each other

>lennonfags
It's a fact that Paul was the driving force behind pretty much everything Beatles did. Sure, John was definitely important in terms of songwriting but Paul was just so much more important.
As for Ringo over George someone ITT already said it perfectly.

>>lennonfags
What the fuck are you even talking, nigger. I love the Beatles, and for me Paul and John are simply equally important.

McCartney > Lennon > George Martin > George Harrison > Yoko > Eric Clapton > their various drug dealers > Ringo

No, Ringo only wrote the playbook for modern-day pop drumming. He was non-essential.

>>lennonfags
You're 16, thinking that we're insulting your teen idol, and you should go back to R*ddit.

>seething this hard
go beat your imaginary wife and cope

>wrote the playbook for modern day pop drumming
I'm pretty sure pic related wrote the playbook

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He won't even "Ring-a" cowbell.

HE'D LET US IN/ KNOWS WHERE WE'VE BEEN/ IN AN OCTOPUS'S GARDEN IN THE SHADE!

Go back to your idol fight on r*ddit.

Octopus's Garden is the best Beatles song:
change my mind

have you considered: literally any other track on abbey road

>Maxwell
Imagine liking this piece of garbage over the pop bliss that is Octopus Garden

Maxwell's silver hammer is the most underrated Beatles song, perhaps the most underrated song of all time

>and apparently almost never made any mistakes
this alone qualifies for him being a virtuoso.

Octopus's Garden is perfect in it's simplicity, it doesn't try to be deep or even that experimental. But what makes it amazing is in that goofy simplicity. The songs rings of childhood and an earnest desire to enjoy life with your friends. To be under the proverbial sea sheltered from the storm, that is the joy of octopus's garden and the joy of life in truth.

see
(I hit reply to this post on the wrong post :()

It's the best on Abbey Road, perhaps, in that it's the most honest. It reveals the heart of the project - wounded guys wanting to be happy one more time. Of the two "silly" songs, it's far better than the nasty-minded Maxwell's Silver Hammer, which is Paul getting his coke-enhanced rage out.

Amen!

The Beatles work so well because they were more than the sum of their parts. Take their solo albums and mix them up, many people have done that in the past. They’re never as good as real Beatles albums. Ringo was good for the group dynamics, and trying to compare his individual musicianship to the others is useless. Ringo wasn’t the best drummer in the world, Paul wasn’t the best bassist, George and John weren’t the best guitarists, and none of them are/were the best singers in the world. Despite this, they are collectively the best band in the world. It’s the way things work

Yes?

youtube.com/watch?v=7qKcJF4fOPs

>they are collectively the best band in the world
THE FACT THAT

Ringo's efficiency as a drummer is the stuff of legends.

THEY ARE THE BEST BAND EVER IS NOT UNDER DISPUTE BY ANYBODY EXCEPT SHITTY CONTRARIANS

He was also capable of playing in time signatures that shifted very rapidly without seemingly breaking a sweat (try figuring out how to play the drums in Good Morning Good Morning or Here Comes the Sun), what with John's loving of half-measures and sudden time signature changes. His style was minimal but he knew how to exploit it to the max and allowed it to operate within a very difficult framework.

There's also the whole thing regarding harmonic choices and all that. Other elements that pretty much define them include some very hard and sudden syncopation and Ringo definitely knew how to really nail that and make every moment stand out all the more.