/prod/ - music production general

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I need ur honest opinion, guys...

Is this what zoomers on discord do?

did this before discord was kinda mainstream

Yes buy why?

tracks
they don't put all the drums in one track, they don't consolidate one off effects into one track
>>automation out the ass
volume and filters, they just leave it open to look cool

>How many tracks should one have?
completely genre dependent, and could vary wildly from there because of difference in workflow as mentioned ^

not counting different drums, busses, racks/sends etc i usually have 8-12 ish, never really get over 20, but i consolidate everything i can

no, never
barring an unaffected synthesizer, which you could do *in theory* on something like pure sines/non-complex waves, harmonics the harmonics are going to be too complicated

bruh that's terrible lol
what are you doing, post an example or something etc

typical mistake is wanting to make everything bright and audible, i'm guessing the recording is fine and you just aren't used to the sound or you somehow managed to completely fuck up the recording... or something dun broked

first of all what the fuck
second of all fuck you for dropping your soundcloud

the best way to get into sound design is to buy a synth or download a softsynth and learn it inside and out. then make sweet love to it

>soundcloud = aids here (for some reason)
Yeah, agreed that that's a dick move. Can't du nuffin bout it tho. ;-)

ive tried with multiple softsynths and i get overwhelmed and bored, idk what to look at or focus on
most of my music is sample-based for this reason lol, unless i find tutorials for sounds i want

Study counterpoint.

Alright, took off my unintentional self-promo. Now it's fair.

should i?

Force yourself to initialize everything and then just work by tweaking only one parameter until you've fully understood it?
You shoul.

Feels kinda flat. Lacking some momentum. Pick a climax to your song and build to it. Maybe some smaller local climaxes. The vocal processing feels like a little overkill, especially if you're using it for the whole song.
I feel like your singing lacks some breath support and possibly diction, but it's not bad. Remember to get big breaths down into your stomach.

No redeeming qualities.

Started reading Counterpoint in Composition for you.
Rate my firmi please

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What software do you use for notation, Mr. Hands?

that monkey stole my pizza

Sibelius. Version 6 I think. I can't necessarily recommend it, but it works and from what I understand all the major notation softwares kind of suck in their own way.

Not even one redeeming quality? Harsh. :^(

Sibelius, MuseScore, etc.
or idk... PLAYING REAL INSTRUMENTS

Thank you. The fonts look nice. I'm holding out for Dorico to support guitar tab and then I'm all in. Wish I would have played cello or viola so I could easily read that alto clef.
>PLAYING REAL INSTRUMENTS
Huh? Are you memorizing everything you've ever made up?

>Wish I would have played cello or viola so I could easily read that alto clef.
Protip, pretend it's treble clef and look at the space/line directly above the note. Helps to physically put your finger on the score. With a little practice it's pretty easy.

>Huh? Are you memorizing everything you've ever made up?

Look, (trying to think of a rebuttal to him not finding my joke funny because of its lack of originality, but can't, so why not say) I'm just kidding around. Peeps actually come here for prod help. I'm here for my own amusement. jeez.

its a vidya remix tho

>I'm here for my own amusement. jeez.
That's the only reason I'm here too; I'm just too depressed to find jokes funny. I might finally get around to posting a clip of my Dreams remix this weekend though. Maybe next weekend. Maybe.
Thank you; that's actually pretty easy to do.
That's okay.

How do you make deconstructed bedroom pop. Trying to birth a new genre. What genres do you guys wanna make anew? This question is retarded. Bleh.

i wanna make chiptune but for black people

is chiptune the white man's music?

G-Funk almost had it with the synths at least.

no(?)
all i know is i was made fun of for liking it by other kids

oh
didn't know if chiptune was racist or something
good to know

"How Chiptune Is Secretly The Alt-Right's Most Powerful Tool"
i shouldnt even talk it up

i make nightcore

swag. drop a link

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>clyp.it/gqcpgfoa?token=661f6661a9c52763542d937512ccbab5
Sick. I love it. I'm going to need to listen to this in my car to feel the subs (I already downloaded it ;))

it was a joke since all nightcore is an mp3 pitched and sped up

contact me rudebwoi, release coming uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhin a few months??????????

it's definitely nerd music, so... not "white music" but yeah kind of

>deconstructed
>meme buzz genre maker
i am squinting at the screen condescendingly user

... maybe originally?
i thought nightcore was basically essentially just another hardstyle derivative but solely remixes

heh...swag. STILL DROP THE FUCKING LINK user! HOLY FUCKING SHIT! IMMA BREAK THRU YOUR ROOF AND WRESTLE YOU UNCONSCIOUS! YOU THINK THIS SHIT IS A JOKE HUH BUDDY!? THIS IS REAL LIFE, kid. PLAY WITH ME AGAIN!!! I FUCKING DARE YOU!!! DO IT!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!

Is it all going to be oldschool jungle/breakbeat? If so, I might need to sign up for clyp, but that won't be until this weekend.

well, you see, i'm homeless, hence why it's deconstructed. lol.

sorry no, vgm remixes, buncha diff genres

youtube.com/watch?v=BqH6Sl_hPlc

MSI will always stay a place in my feelies. Did you feel threatened? :^)

MSI will always stay a place in my feelies. Did you feel threatened? Sorry I raped you. :^)

nah dude i get what you mean, i just have a hateboner for music journalism pushing things into boxes, oversimplifying and trying to build hype artificially etc.... which is what i think when i hear "deconstructed"

>homeless
somebody posted a video a week~ ago of some kid who's doing pretty well making a song just plugging his guitar into his phone and sounding pretty fucking good, iirc he's in the band "the internet." It might not be convenient but i'd imagine you could make something with extremely minimal tools; what i think of for deconstructed bedroom pop is basically the same thing as it is now but not trying so hard to push the lo-fi "bedroom" aesthetic.... like not trying to sound like some 90s 4track shit but just "yeah i made this with my phone lol idgaf"
... and the same shit as other subversions: avoiding the accepted lyrical topics and just being much more self aware in general.
idk bedroom pop so i'm just talking out my ass tho

Do I need to get a different mic for recording acoustic guitar and vocals? Or will a decent-quality mic be suitable for both? Any suggestions?

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the latter
i am "lol dude just sm57 xD" - pro but most people are going to say to get a good condenser, which captures things more naturally; cheap dynamics sound better than cheap condensers so

What about a AT2020?

Got a new drum plugin called GetGood Drums yesterday, started this with it. Definitely feels like a step up from Superior Drummer. The dry samples are so much more suited for modern styles.

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I dig this. The balance is really nice and it's a very stylistic production. Vox are a tad bit on the nasaly end of the spectrum, but I don't think it's the vocalist, it's some sort of distortion that's happening and really boosting the low mids. I'd pull a tad bit out between 300-700 Hz. Could also use a bit of top end sparkle, but that's personal preference.

>clyp.it/gqcpgfoa?token=661f6661a9c52763542d937512ccbab5

Oh fuck yes. Absolutely love this. Pic related.

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idk man, haven't used it. google site:gearslutz.com it to see people argue lol

oh shit. Someone actually gave me a legitimate answer. Thank you. Steve Lacy is who you're talking about. Yeah, that's a technological limitation. What I'm envisioning is like an album of sorts that deconstructs the bedroom musician into a different setting. You notice how most bedroom musicians are oh so lowkey in their presentation but are mad skilled at their shit? What if this bedroom musician is a lazy fuck neet who doesn't clean after himself, is barely competent in playing music & is on the verge of getting kicked out of his mom's house & out to the street to fend himself? I dunno, bring some stakes to their environment than "oh, my 1st world problems need to be heard!". I know it's mostly love but fuck. There is a surburban safety net around the ethos of this genre & it'd be cool to cut it open. You know the look of the Clairo's, Cuco's, Boy Pablo's, them lot. Wanna bring something new & riveting to an overly placid style of music. I dunno if that made sense. Bedroom Punk, where there are holes are over your walls.

It really depends on how your vocals sound desu. What's your price range?

>lazy fuck neet who doesn't clean after himself, is barely competent in playing music & is on the verge of getting kicked out of his mom's house
oh yes, hello

I know exactly what you're getting at and completely agree, that's why I don't listen to that shit lol.
I like the idea of neet punk
... but i feel uncomfortable cranking my amp to record shit like that so I just make hip-hop and ambient and wanky exerimental shit instead (:

... idk, i think that aesthetic has a limited "internet" (Yea Forums and sections of youtube) appeal... like sadboy faux emo weirdness is cool in hip-hop but less so in other genres right now.... and even then it's more about fashion than legitimately being frustrated and "punk" to most listeners.

>one mic, record this guitar
>one brush, paint this intricate portrait
You have yet to swat the fly from my hand, grasshopper. Come back when you have a better question.

Do you mean in terms of how good I am at singing or like the timbre of my voice? I'm not an amazing singer but I hope that being able to hear myself in decent quality will help with that. I'd say I'm probably in the baritone range when I sing.

I don't know, like $200? I'm not hurting for money right now but I also don't want to spend unnecessarily. Something mid-budget would probably be about right. I would like to do both clean vocals and harsh (death growls, etc.) if that makes a difference

The fake DIY rich kids look? Yeah fuck em up if you can

>tfw no one rates your cantus firmus because of the clef

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You know how you promise yourself you're going to apply things you've learned next time?
I always forget along the way.

This is /prod/ general
Nobody cares
>t. Professional

Hello. I'm new to prod, hoping to make some dub techno.
I'm planning on buying a minilogue xd and drumbrute impact soon, but I was wondering how I should mix/record them. Any reccs? Preferably under $400 total with extra inputs for later purchases.
Thanks ^_^

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Call this guy, tell him the fat man sent you, youll be a pro by last year, tops.

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All the shit I download from audioz have their RAR s corrupted? Am I retarded and don't understand something? Using 7zip

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they work. start spamfucking exercises.

Solved
Downloaded WinRAR and opened through it instead. Weird shit

Awesome, thank you

Holy shit, that wasnt b8?

Honestly a great all rounder mic is the MXL 990 for like $65, and you could get two in that price range and make a stereo pair. I used the 990 on countless productions before I upgraded, and to be honest, until I got into mics above $750 or so, I still couldn't beat it. I don't know what they do to get the quality that high for a mic that cheap, but they fucking do it right, that's all I can say.

It works great on voice guitar, room micing, almost anything you throw at, as long as it isn't particularly sibilant (don't use it for overheads on a drum kit for example).

You WILL need either an interface with phantom power or an external power supply (if you don't have an interface with phantom power)

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Nice, I'll check it out. I already got an audio interface with phantom power for my stringed instruments so it's no issue.

Yeah, it'd only be a niche of a niche of a niche at that point & not a wide audience would identify or be entranced with such a pathetic character. Many ppl would like mostly background music for whatever they got going on with a relatable image plastered over for comfort. I shouldn't really that much of a fuck about this. I just thought it was a cool idea to post out there.

This guy gets it. Fuck em too!

No, unfortunately. I've only ever pirated samples/plugins from rutracker mostly and have only discovered audioz recently

Everyone who isn't trying to argue the answer is not one mic, but multiple decent mics, has clearly never seen the fucking massive difference between a one mic setup and a 4 mic setup.
The fact that nobody is saying find 4 cheap mics instead of one mic just goes to show that nobody offering advice here has any experience recording acoustic instruments properly. Has anyone ever stopped to think about how an acoustic guitar actually works, and why it sounds like the way it does?

Actually just to show you, I used it on on my voice for the background Vox AND the background acoustic guitar in this because it was what I had laying around at the time. I can give more examples if you want.

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That's why I recommended the MXL 990. It's a great all-rounder and you can get a stereo pair for super cheap. Or hell, 3 or 4 and you're still under $300.

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does this sounds trashy enough? not going for full blow-out per say, but i'm not sure if i got it good, i think i my have gone overboard on the kick

You're cool, don't worry, you mentioned stereo pairs, I dont think anyone else understood what you meant tho
Plus oh damn I need like 10 of these asap, I just found a way to turn my basement into a reverb chamber and I need to mic the fuck out of it

I don't really hear any acoustic guitar and the vocals at the end are too buried for me to really distinguish their quality, though they don't sound bad. The song overall sounds sick though, super clean and punchy and that guitar tone on the leads is gnarly. What are you using for that?

Do you think a stereo sound is sufficient for acoustic? My audio interface only has two I/O so I couldn't really do more. I'm a total noob to recording if it wasn't apparent already

Thanks! I'm using the Line 6 Helix Rack for all guitar and bass.

And yeah, neither the acoustic guitar nor the vox were supposed to be distinct, just supposed to blend with the wall of sound there haha. Here's a different one that explains how the mic sounds a little better. This is actually my band. Just finished up our next release. We had other mics to pick from but the 990 just happened to work perfectly for our singer.

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thanks
>exercises
this is for art honey.
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Forgot to answer you haha

Two is almost always enough. You could go with more if you wanted to capture some room reverb but for 99% of cases two mics are more than enough. One pointed at the 12th fret, one somewhere on the body almost always works great for me.

Buy a cheap mixer, and just send the L+R out to 1+2 in, boom, you just made a bus and can have as many mics as you have channels on that mixer

Now use 4
>channel/mic 1 put in front of soundhole, under a foot away--- aim it towards the bottom of the neck (or highest fret), set pan on mixer to 10 o clock
>channel/mic 2 as close as you can get it, place mic 2 in same vicinity as mic 1, only point it in the opposite direction, towards the bottom, pan on mixer to 2 oclock
>channel/mic 3+4: USE CONDENSERS FOR THESE, set up the stands so that they form an equalateral triangle with where you are sitting, have them higher up, and pointed down towards you, put three on your left, and 4 on your right, hard pan channel 3 to full left, and 4 to full right

Also what this user said

Towards the bridge, not bottom**

>neither the acoustic guitar nor the vox were supposed to be distinct
I can appreciate that as an aesthetic choice but I'm sure you can realize how it might not be helpful for gauging a mic's quality lol. The mic is definitely good enough from my purposes I would say so I'll probably pick it up. You guys sound sick though, I'm a big fan of prog metal as you might have guessed so I'll check you guys out. If you guys ever come down to Houston I'll definitely try to catch you at a show.

Awesome, thanks for the tips. I got to say you guys seem a lot more knowledgeable and willing to help out than the folks at /gg/.

Ooo, nice rig, I knew you were cool
I'm more of a "I prefer the older version" kinda guy, myself tho
How is the helix tho, I'm in the market for q guitar processor but I'm not sure if they worked out a good enough tube algorithm yet. my jcm800 still sounds better to me, but I also havent had a chance to hear the helix in person yet

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I thought you were literally waving a garbage bag in front of a microphone until I turned it up.

>DBREE is gone
what other sites do you guys use for larger files?

Goddammit, I hate cameras

Lmao, never consult a guitarist on how to record one
Find an engineer who plays guitar

Lol I definitely realized that after I posted it. I'm on 3 hours of sleep right now, not thinking super straight haha

But thanks man! We're trying to get out to Houston more often. Just have a little circuit here from Austin to San Antonio at the moment. If you know any good venues for us to look at, lemme know.

Glad I could help!

Well I've had it for about 6 months now and have loved it for pretty much EVERYTHING. I've used the Axe-FX and Kemper and I have to be honest, to me the Helix has a much more "natural" sound than the other two, which I like from a recording aspect very much. Shit just sits right in a mix. I hardly have to do anything. It's one of the the best studio tools I've purchased to date. Hell, I use the onboard delays and reverbs for shit in my mixes all the time now. It's so damn versatile and I haven't found a single instance where it sounds bad.

While playing live though, I to like to have that "cab in a room" feel rather than going straight into the board as many people do. I just upgraded my poweramp to a class A/B a couple of weeks ago. Basically I run the Helix as a Preamp/FX box. Once I added a real poweramp and cab into the equation, I literally couldn't distinguish this from a tube amp anymore. The sound, dynamics, and responsiveness are so on point.

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Ok, I'm still not gonna be convinced tubes have been officially surpassed by digital from one review, but I'm not gonna lie, I really am interested now since you said you like this over Axe-FX + Kemper

Also broooooooo I just listened to your track, fuck yeah this is epic
I normally dont post my shit on here, but here's a link to a project that was put on hold (and I cant even remember what the reason exactly was, but it was ridiculously stupid) but it was a remix/collab for my old band's EP (and disregard the awful mix, the project never got finished due to band politics bullshit)
Im really digging the very big sound you guys have, I'm way into the "epic" vibe you guys have, if you ever want some remixes or need a really convincing orchestral part made up, reach out bro, if I'm not swamped with client work, I'm so down
Link
soundcloud.com/aetryx/hippocrit/s-bOBkv

Yo this shit SLAPS dude. Y'all should make amends and finish that because holy fuck that goes hard lol.

I'd actually love to have a remix done. Let's keep in contact. I followed you on SC. Here's mine

soundcloud.com/velopodmusic

>I'm still not gonna be convinced tubes have been officially surpassed by digital from one review
Fair, and if you're coming from a tube amp there will still be some adjusting to do regardless. But if you kept your Marshall and ran one of these into the poweramp section, you'd be damn surprised.

>I really am interested now since you said you like this over Axe-FX + Kemper
It is definitely a personal preference thing, but there's this quality to the Helix's amp/poweramp emulation that I haven't found in the AFX or Kemper. I can't put my finger on it. But tons of guys are making the switch from Fractal to Line 6 these days. Plini, David Maxim Micic, Monuments, etc.

OH ALSO if you do get a Helix and run it direct into the computer, make sure to get some 3rd party Cab Impulses because the stock ones are not the best. Thankfully Line 6 included the ability to load aftermarket ones into the Helix super easily.

>soundcloud
>/prod/
reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

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Just trying to get in contact with one another lmao

I need opinions on the mix of this

soundcloud.com/pecomin/track-1-revised

First project using FL 12

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Awesome, just followed you man
Just a heads up, I basically abandoned my soundcloud and have been working on my first official release since late 2017, Its essentially my first and last release with my current "project", cuz I am starting a new one, so just look at everything thats there as what I was doing in highschool and college. Im just not releasing anything so I can start doing it officially through a label

Heres the elevator pitch on my new project tho, I feel like you will appreciate what I'm aiming for
Its a cross between Soad, Rammstein, Pendulum, and Destroid. We are playing midi guitars, and its just insane thrashing synth basses and 80s-esque synthwave elements, but slams like a truck, and there is absolutely a visual aspect (because fuck yeah, its midi, my guitar can trigger lights, and I'm so fucking gonna use this total next level future shit to its fullest potential)

Imagine you saw a 4 piece band consisting of guys that look like pic related, and they are holding glowing guitars,
The sound is exactly what you are imagining.
And the best part, the midi guitar finally came in, and yes, It works in drop tuning, so this is just a matter of time
Im fuckin HYPE

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fuck dint see that you werent supposed to link soundcloud my b oooooooooooooooops

>reee
The name of the game is networking, my man

I'm mostly just kidding lol

well I'm not kidding, but I'm pretty high so I'm laughing about it.

Also,
>guitarist repellant
Fucking brilliant, but I'm a synth freak so AHA

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Then wait, who was phone
And like bruh
The flavor of water is its temperature

Fuck yeah dude I dig the concept!

I've been saying for a while that using midi guitars, keyboards, drums, etc as electronic instruments could bring an appreciation back to live performance that seems to have been lost over the past couple of decades. Hell, it could bring rock and metal back into the mainstream again. Going with a Pendulum and Rammstein sound is the perfect way to bring that shit in too.

Nice idea, you're pushing the ball forward. I like it.

bruuhh

Look, Im always gonna feel more comfortable with guitar than piano, but all i have to say is that I had no idea if the keisel midi guitar we bought for 3k was going to even work, after we had bad results with the fishman triple play in drop tunings (it works but its better for a jazz guitarist who has finess) and we got a roland GR55 synth unit

Holy shit, its indescribable how good this shit got. Its unfuckingbelievably accurate with fret tracking, it works down to drop B tunings.
The best part, you can retrofit any guitar with the same system, its a hexaphonic piezo system that just is glued to whatever bridge style you have, it costs under 300, and only requires a descrete routing hole under the bridge for the cables, and another jack

I put it on my HR Giger Iceman

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Oh and thanks! I was always in love with cyberpunk shit and I personally believe the coolest method to play bass oriented heavy edm was how excision, downlink, and KJ sawka performed when they did Destroid
youtu.be/wGPOxs3HfKw

Love the tone of your guitar, and the subtle melodies. Very nice stuff, also want to keep you in contact for sure.

That's sick man, I need to look into that. Also this is fucking insane. I want to see more of this out there.

I gotta go to bed for tonight but it was cool talking dude!

Thanks man! Gave you a follow back. Hit me up anytime. Your shit is really cool too. Nice and melodic.

I'm not an expert on this genre, or have good enough reference to really be sure, but I honestly only have a few problems that I can hear, mostly minor.
Again, I'm only available to use a phone as reference atm, but I followed you, so lemme listen when I'm at my desk tomorrow, I can't say for sure what I'm hearing but all I can say is that they are very minor, and honestly, you can probably argue it is intentional, and I'd have no problem with that, either way I'd say you're damn close to be ready for mastering man, this is pretty solid from what I can hear
THATS WHAT IM SAYIN
Like holy fuck, Im a metal guitarist turned synth basist. I cannot begin to explain how this is exactly the way I always dreamed of being able to perform my music.
Fuck DJ booths, this is objectively the right way to do this

>Fuck DJ booths, this is objectively the right way to do this

EXACTLY. THANK YOU.

goodnight for real this time though lmao

Hey its your guy's regular house/ dubstep guy that hasnt posted in a while.
i bought a decent pair of headphones but i didnt try to make anything until today
whipped this up in about 4 hours in a focused grind.
got a good outline of the track im trying to make and id love your guy's feedback

clyp.it/pmdoinsj

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Is the Reaper trial the best free software?

fl studio or ableton from rutracker is the best free software

bass is over compressed and that snare and that bell sound in the second verse should be a bit louder but the whole song is great.

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Making this was a lot of fun
Tell me what you think guys

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What's a good software for removing compression artefacts? I found a sample I'd like to use (from a radio show), but the source isn't good and I need to mitigate that flangy sound around 4 kHz. Applying an EQ won't do (and it alters the sound too much).
I think there are VST for that, like RX7, but I think their demo liitations are shit.

Speaking of izotope, I can't believe they already released a new neutron (and ask 150+ $ for an upgrade). They have good products (too bad most of them are abandonware now) but their selling strategies are horrendous.

Good job. If I were you, I'd probably try to add more low end elements (I think it's a little lacking in that department) and make it sound more witch house-y just to see.
But I don't know what you're trying to do, so it's probably good as it is.

(cont.)
btw, what's the name of the font for the BS lyrics?

bump

i've been heavily listening to four tet for the past couple of months and it's totally fucked up my view on music production. most of his songs just make me go 'wait wait wait, you can do that?' it's crazy. the guy is so creative in song structure and surprising the listener, impeccable choice of sounds and sample sources and very catchy grooves. really making me want to step my game a whole lot. its crazy. any other producers like this? that just totally surprised you when you were first discovering them with how 'this sound is even possible'? basically i'm looking for music recommendations from /prod/ that are focused on creative productions

Probably Matthew Herbert if you like Four Tet, maybe also some of Paul Woolford's Special Request stuff.

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>meme trap
I know
Please tell me how to improve. This is more or less a finished beat.

it totally depends on what you are recording. if you are using an sm58 on female vocals, you are gonna eq very differently from if you were using the sm58 to record a snare drum.

just use your ears to find what sounds good alone and in context of the other instruments. there are no strict rules, other than don't clip.

if you feel like switching it up, try using distortion as an EQ. tchad blake does this with sans amp plugins a lot.

My bandmates say they want to do the best EP that we can even if it takes long, but then we're recording and the singer forgot his guitar pedal and he wants to record his part with my multifx's shitty distortion because he can't be bothered to record it again, it's too much hassle

I've compared a rode nt1a and a shure m57 on vocals and acoustic, along with stereo mic'd rode m5's. i like the shure on both.

what space are you recording in? the big reason i did not like the condenser was it picks up so much room there are some problem frequencies. i am in a really bad room to record in technically. plaster walls, perfect square, no damping. if you are in a quiet space and have room treatment, you might have different experiences.

I need help recording my band
They're lazy druggy fucks and I'm a big nerd perfectionist but I don't want to be a bossy asshole
They decided to record at my home studio when they heard a track I made on my own. They came and took a few takes to get the whole song and the I said let's try to get a better one and they went lmao you're not making me record this again are you lol. And while tracking they saw my bedroom and went you have no room treatment the studio gear is better we'll record with him

>we'll record with him
Who's "him"?

The guy of the studio we rehearse at. We were recording with him but went to record at my bedroom after they heard my track and record only drums at the studio

>GIVE feedback
dont use FLstudio faggot

I was going for early 90's ambient trance atmosphere, but yeah I can see witch house in there. I don't know anything about creating trap beats though and majority of modern WH has them.
Any way thanks and I'm glad you liked it.

I like the density, it all gets pretty tight past the intro. You definitely put feelings into the song.
Chord structure is pretty repeatable (up-down-up-down) through the whole song, maybe try a little variety and get into chord theory if you haven't already.
Also what happens in 50s is repeated intro with added pads, nothing new happens and I feel like the song kind of losses it's tension. I know it's an intro to the second part, so maybe add something that introduces the sound that begins in 1:05. I don't know much about mastering, but it sounds good to me, and thats what counts I guess.

>HR Giger Iceman
pays double price on Ibanez for bodyart
i hope you bought that 2nd hand

>lazy druggy fucks
>perfectionist
either you want your gear lifted or you dont care about your music ever leaving the bedroom.
drop your loser friends if they are in a constant haze - at least dont involve them in your music

listen to this guy
the 990 is pretty hard to beat until you want to spend $1000 or more. Just back a good bit away from the mic when you want to scream.

Thanks man, really appreciate it

Jesus christ you monkey just record at the studio where they have proper equipment and spaces to record.

cheers!

hahahaha. you beat me to it. maybe he needs the droogs

seriously what? dude this is poor advice to a producer noob. never use a m57 to record vocals unless its your one & only mic

>never use a m57 to record vocals unless its your one & only mic
Why?

if they really say this they aren't about that life. don't break up with them but keep them as a side bitch until something better comes along

Working with them will get you nowhere. My best friend was a dipshit (lazy, stubborn, no direction and so on, but very pretentious) when it comes to making music and ended up literally hating him for it. The time I wasted with him is irreplaceable and since it was during my first years as a musician, I shared his narrow vision of making music for a long time (I lived in the middle of nowhere, so not a lot of good influences).

do a bit of web research. or do a course to learn about it all. what i will tell everyone, get a quality broadcaster with high pass filter built in. its the go unless you have access to proper vocal booth & $1000s for a studio fit out

SUNDAY, ME AND SINGER WILL RECORD GUIDE TRACKS AT MY ROOM

HE CALLED ME BEFORE LEAVING HIS HOUSE IF HE COULD RECORD WITH MY LES PAUL JUST SO HE DIDNT HAVE TO BRING HIS (HE CAME WITH HIS CAR, NOT EVEN WALKING)

I EVEN INSISTED ON RECORDING WITH MY TELE SINCE IT WAS FUCKING GUIDE TRACKS BUT HE WANTED MY BEST GUITAR

HE ARRIVED WITH THE BASSIST AND DIDN'T REMEMBER WE HAD DECIDED WE'LL DO GUIDE TRACKS, IN FACT HE FORGOT WHAT GUIDE TRACKS ARE AND THOUGHT IT WAS TOO MUCH WORK TO RECORD THE SAME THING AGAIN LATER

AND THEN HE PLAYED IT WITH HIS MONKEY HAND AND BROKE MY A STRING AND BLAMED MY GUITAR

I JUST LEFT THE BAND'S FACEBOOK GROUP TO NEVER JOIN A BAND AGAIN

I should have never gone outside, gonna put more effort at singing so I can do acoustic at bars

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well theres another red flag. if serious musicians dont prioritise their money to buy their own quality gear - fuck em. i wouldnt lend him shit. this dude sounds like a fucking loser when it comes to music production.

fuck off freek
why don't you post your imaginary broked a gibson istead

For what?

Well he isn't a producer just singer/guitarist/songwriter

he broke a string. but thats generally proof that he's a fucking try hard thrasher. if i lent any guitar to anyone and they broke a string, and were not of a joe satriani shred ability - i would fucking kick the shit outa them

it takes enormous amounts of strength to break an a string. i don't buy it

Lmao ill post pic in 3 hours when I get home

Fun enough I broke the A string yesterday when I played a bit on my acoustic. It's just too quiet playing softly

or he plays like a fucking aspy thrasher. which means he's fucked at playing guitar. new or old strings. you dont need a floyd rose ibanez to overstretch & break strings

tell him to fuck off. you dont owe this incel any proof. what gauge set & brand of string do you use btw?

Posting my mix again lmao

clyp.it/htmuofkc

Depends on what your purposes are. As a former ProTools user, Reaper is pretty much a ProTools clone except it doesn't crash every two seconds like PT does. If your needs are more oriented towards recording, editing, songwriting, mixing, or mastering, then something like Reaper, Logic, or Cubase would suit those needs perfectly.

For all things that are heavily related to MIDI usage, like modern hip-hop styles and EDM, FL Studio and Ableton are damn near unbeatable. For anything having to do with a live show such as running a lightshow or porting backing tracks to FOH, both Reaper and Ableton are tied for me.

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10s, Stage brand
The singer asked that very same question right after breaking the string

Except that reaper doesn't come with stuff like ampsims and analog emulators, at least not one's worth a shit

How the hell do you use reaper for a live show or lightshow

I've actually been toying around this idea, been meaning to buy a mic so I can record over my house/techno inspired "bedroom" pop sounds. In terms of lyrics I'm planning on singing about stupid stuff regarding my life, stuff passing by my window, and really repetitive stuff similar to that of footwork lyrics.

wtf is stage brand?
nvm i'm over this

Oh I don't care about that. Already had all the outboard gear and plugins I could want before I started using it anyways.

Besides, if you're starting with NOTHING, the Waves collection is easy as fuck to pirate, along with damn near any other plugin out there that you could possibly want.

And actually I've found myself using the the free VST and JS plugins more and more these days. They're surprisingly good. Dunno when you last used it.

I use it to set up in-ear mixes by routing the live audio to individual passthrough tracks, then sending those to separate submixes customized to each musician; each submix gets sent out a different stereo pair from the back of the interface and gets sent to wireless IEM units.

Also use it to send tracks such as orchestra or synth parts to FOH and do light control with MIDI. Sometimes I also record the live show. Depends on if my band wants to do it. All of this happens at the same time. Reaper is super stable and well suited for it.

Forgot to respond to you

>the 990 is pretty hard to beat until you want to spend $1000 or more.

Exactly. This thing still shocks me.

Meme of the day

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Apart from mentioning Ableton (which is the best), i dont know whats right about your post. ProTools would only crash because youre a poorfag with crap setup, or you dont have a genuine dongle

Can i get some feedback on this clip?

this might be baby's first to some user's but:
>death grips
industrial with very little "music" in the traditional sense at times, sound design, creative sampling, good song structures
>autechre
just overall wtf, kings of idm, don't need to explain this
>Arca
sound design, "abstract" song structures, somewhat collage like
>flying lotus
wonky, takes dillas off kilter grooves to the next level

>never use a m57 to record vocals
where the fuck did that come from lmao

I still remember making the connection after you pointed out an instaud.io you posted....
shitposters are shitproducers :^)

>I still remember making the connection after you pointed out an instaud.io you posted....
I don't remember doing that.
What was it?

I was on the newest generation (at the time) of Mac Pro while using it. idk what to tell ya.

I fought with PT for 4 years before finally giving up on it. Throw anything more than a few plugins in the project and the bitch would crash. I constantly had to render tracks out over and over just to avoid the crashing.

did you have it racked to an avid 96 i/o. Also protools is extremely RAM hungry. like 16-32GiG

Look guys I put a fair amount of effort into my joke tracks, the least you could do is spare a brother a (you) telling me to kill myself.

He's a BR poorfag, the strings he buys are repackaged used strings from the US.

Arrangement and sounds are interesting enough but it's utterly lacking in low end, kinda like you ran it through an AM radio mask in the master.

H-hey I'm OK at producing some days...

You'll never top this masterpiece clyp.it/w22xkjda

God I wish I were that good.

It's the weekend , schools out (not that I'm in school but whatever), smoke a fat one and open the DAW boys

lets do this

Yeah the sub has to have been the most rushed part right now. Track is completely unmixed and unmastered atm. Was coming up with ideas for a breakdown section but i think its really an EQ issue with what youre referring to. I really cut off a lot of the low end from the lead so its literally just the sub channel playing under it.

how do I trent reznor pre with teeth

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I'd appreciate any feedback on these tracks, theyre like progressive house tracks. The mix is pretty raw still, looking for composition stuff mainly.

Also any tips for spicing up a mono synth lead

clyp.it/rzn1acs5
clyp.it/5hfdoq3q

I can return feedback if anyone wants it just reply

clyp.it/otdcgf24
Just tell me a song that sounds like this so I can get inspo. I have free time to actually record this weekend.

>clyp.it/rzn1acs5
echo the motif but faster, in a higher octave? IDK, just bascally rework that ""riff"" (it's kinda bland). The snare at 1:50 onward sure has a distracting fucking crack to it.. In 4 mins and I'd say just rework some sound selection in general

>clyp.it/5hfdoq3q
widen this up please. 1:42 synth is snoozey. Also don't just loop shit out for 4 minutes for the sake of it

Faggot

>don't just loop shit out for 4 minutes
I was under the impression this is a key stylistic point of progressive house.

>What was it?
bad lol

run everything through different kinds of distortion
a fuck load of *subtle* ambience, layers the fuck out shit
... do you have specific sounds in mind? I fucked with tds-fragile hard for a while lol

woke up at 2:00, just finished my coffee-Apex routine, let's get it mang 8)

>bad lol
Could you please find it in the archive?
I really don't remember it.

Retard no life dipshit

... if you're not reason fag i'm wrong lol
it wasn't anything that stood out, it was just noodling or something

you said you were pretty obvious before and basically i'm just slow

... i don't know what i'd search to find it, that was months ago

what sub?

Yeah that was what I was going for but if it’s too boring then I failed at the goal

I think I was using a Saffire Pro with version 9 at the time if I remember correctly. Also was using whatever amount of RAM came on the machine at the time. I can't remember how much that was.

youtube.com/watch?v=-fofVE9Q3fI
new dan worrall kino

How am I doing with these chromatic lines of this song?
vocaroo.com/i/s1JfZeE5rs86

#
LMao they're not used

#
I have slate mixing plugins and amplitube; how good are the Waves ones? I like reaper native vsts and js, but they aren't a complete suite.

How many channels is the interface that you use on your band's shows

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I'd buy that for a dollar!

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I got it from a collector in mint condition, with the hardshell case, for only $350
Right place right time kinda story with it

Heroin

pretty sure he only did it by mistake that once lol
way more of an alcoholic

Phm is all about the right gear / emulation (also resampling everything at 12bit then reduce pitch)
DWS is all samples from pop songs, movies, phone sex operators, and a bunch of Kurzweil synth patches.
Fragile is layers upon layers of guitars (like 40+ guitar tracks in one song), nord leads, and early bad vst plug-ins.

How did Tront process his vocals?
Was is it just some generic Lexicon reverb on PHM and dry plus distortion on TDS/Broken?

Sidenote, Fixed is an amazing remix album. I love the way they chop up the vocals in Gave Up

>dry plus distortion on TDS/Broken?
i can't remember a source for this but try stuff like overdrives and tube screamers

fixed is hella underrated, i prefer it to broken actually :3

Aside from
>Finding a niche sound to milk for a maximum of 2 albums and then fade into obscurity
And
>Making formulaic but well-produced genre-based tracks that might get into some semi-famous DJ's setlist

What even are the options for music producers? The prod meme died even faster than pop punk

>The prod meme died even faster than pop punk
explain

Learn how to make hits, and keep making them or make a label to find hit makers. Otherwise find another way to make money, cause the music industry doesn’t pay well compared to other fields.

My cousin did Meth in the early 2000s and made tracks, enjoy

instaud.io/3MFF

instaud.io/3MFH

instaud.io/3MFI

instaud.io/3MFN

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>my cousin

Stop replying to yourself

Stop replying to yourself

LEAVE ME ALONE I'M WRITING SONGS AND I DON'T REMEMBER WTF

>when your son's beat is fire

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quick song with a lame fade-out ending. thoughts?

I like the beat, but the semi-chromatic arpeggios sound kind of fucky

You

i had the brilliant idea to record myself crying into my pillow last night. transposed it up 19 ticks and used it as folly for this mix i'd been working on.

i would use if you shared it :^)

sounds pretty video-gamey. I like it. Just needs some shit to make it sound bigger. Probably reverbs and shit and more sense of space.

How do you make this sound at the time in the video? So I'm pretty sure this is a granular synthesizer playing a sample and just adjusting knobs for it, but I want a better idea of exactly how. I love how old and creepy this shit sounds.

youtu.be/kjXEx825xig?t=118

Are you some famous electronic musician who comes here to dab on us?
>instaud.io/3MFN

>granular
i mean, yeah, you could implement that if you want for bonus coolness but that's not really the sound

slowed sample>high resonance filter>tube distortion with high bias.... probably additional low passing

dynamic tube in ableton has an envelope that adjust how reactive it is to dynamics, pretty useful for sounds like that.

I say that because it's clearly getting faster and higher pitched as it goes. Reminds me of when I used The Mangle. I don't hear the distortion. Maybe it's my untrained ear. I'm not even sure what high bias means either. Care to elaborate?

>it's clearly getting faster and higher pitched as it goe
i wouldn't say *clearly*
change in the filter maybe
distorted resonance is an easy sound to pick up on once you know it

i'm not sure of the technical meaning of bias, but it sounds like the sound is "breaking up." it's not really a "distortion depth" thing, it's like the character of it... but not the tone

what else to add? already plan on resampling the lead in spots
(also that sound)

instaud.io/3MGV

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I'll have to look out for it more. Thanks for the explanation.

uuuh i have nothing to say. my music is okay and im improving at a good steady pace. how about you gay fellas?

Kinda in the same boat but I'm seriously behind in producing practice.
Still slowly reading the DMM and after that I actually bought a counterpoint book.
Made a couple okay-ish loops yesterday and a not too great track but at least I got some sound design practice.
Today it's been alternating between learning how to work some theory plugins and kinda/maybe kicking around a track idea.

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>clearly getting faster and higher pitched as it goes

Hallmark of delay time being tweaked, maybe using an analogue modelling delay with feedback cranked up to the point when it starts to break up. Googling "delay with feedback" will probably point you to some examples like this one to start with:

youtube.com/watch?v=vq3ajoUWbhE

wow prod is active today. kudos to yall.
posted yesterday buy i'm experimenting with heavy breaks and hardcore punk and would love feedback.

clyp.it/ydgnfxnf

wow, that produced a lot of pretty cool sounds. So how exactly is this achieved? Just using a metric fuck ton of delay?

Yeah, especially analogue delay where the sound deteriorates with each repeat - high amounts of feedback and then raising and lowering the delay time gives the pitch/repeat speed variations.

redpill me on vsts like captain chords

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Holy fuck I need this in my life

what is the real difference between analogue and digital delay? Like can I even have an analogue delay in my DAW? Can't I only use digital delay?

Digital can repeat indefinitely with no loss of quality
Analog cant

When Propellerhead dropped their Polystep Sequencer or whatever, I felt immense shame for owning Reason.
I was thinking about getting a deluxe memory man this morning; that settles it.

Personally I like things that do theory work for me because:
1. it makes my life easier
2. they can be great for inspiration if you just clown around a while

Hey, I think that thing is pretty cool. Still undecided if it's worth 70 dillies to me tho.
The other new one that's like a mix between Scales&Chords and Autotheory is seriously tempting me too.

How do you write interesting melodies and harmonies if you're locked into a key? Fuk da playaz, homie.

how do i sell my soul to a label

you need to put your soul into your music first

>locked to a key
Listen to more jazz and then youll understand why I'm laughing
*breathes in*

Fuck the label, go full /Johnson/ and bring a guitar to a dirt crossroad and call the devil

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You aren't locked though, you can remote or automate key changes on S&C, and the Polynote can have a different key in every pattern slot (or no key).
The Chordline one has a real neat concept to it, where your black keys choose from 5 banks of chords (or keys) you play with the white keys.

>remote or automate key changes
This sounds like it would make writing music even more complicated that having no restrictions.
>or no key
This defeats the purpose though.
>Chordline one has a real neat concept
This one does sound neat.

>clyp.it/d4cfgyk5?token=f8571cb5b3eac5bd1c0840aea386fcf0
LMFAO

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clyp.it/3wrppi1x
hope everyone is having a good day it sure has been a wihle since i posted here glad to see u guys

>clyp.it/otdcgf24
This needs some cute japanese girl singing over it
These come to mind.
youtube.com/watch?v=33KBDZmtXds
youtube.com/watch?v=uKxyLmbOc0Q

instaud.io/3MJf
why the fuck am i so untalented. this is me trying my hardest - after F O U R years of producing now

>instaud.io/3MJf
Why do you want to make spooky halloween music? If that's not what you want to make, why are you making it and what would you rather make?

this was supposed to be like something from tyler the creator's bastard. thats how far off my skills are, after four years.

>F O U R years of producing
fuck i feel great about my progress now :^)

is that really the best you've done though? I refuse to believe that's 4 years of even somewhat consistent producing; that has to be the low end for you or you barely ever practice

i have practiced nearly every day, this is the best i can come up with.
i want to fucking kill myself.

That was just a poor choice of instruments.
Use some good ones, keep it minimal, and see what you can do.
spitfireaudio.com/labs/

okay for real was that a Demarcus track you posted just to larp as a failed producer?

I know people love the fuck out of labs but it was really just "eh" to me aside from the piano for.... that one sound it does

regardless that's a really shitty recommendation to make for somebody trying to make that style of hip-hop bro wtf lol

no, i would show you project file screenshots but i just deleted it out of shame

Sidechain the organ and bass with the kick drum.

Use sends, put a full wet reverb on one send, delay on another.

>regardless that's a really shitty recommendation to make for somebody trying to make that style of hip-hop bro wtf lol
You can't build on a shitty foundation.

i did sidechain all of the other instruments to the drum, already

I agree, but those are an inappropriate choice of instruments

>polishing a turd
>just sidechain lmao

yeah i just read "yes, I have no proof that I made this"

it is still in my recycle bin, lucky u

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I see you with those boom bap samples :^)
... i might not have believed you otherwise lmao

>live 8 skin

why the FUCK does your drum rack look like that????
first of all there's a god damn order everybody naturally knows your drums go in: kick on c1 following snares and top percussion
you have 0 shit going on to mix it apparently

all your shit is just straight copy and pasted??? you should know better than that

where are your fucking folder shortcuts???

I see this as further evidence that Demarcus is a larp and now it's come out that the user posting as him has let it slide that he's actually been producing for 4 years.......... interesting

ok so to wrap this all up, should i just kill myself now bros

>tfw you realize a certain famous kpop producer picks keys based on cup size

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No, I got you f4m.
propellerheads.com/en/reason/instruments/player-devices

this is exactly what ive done for the past four years. believe me, it was rougher the first two than it is now. back then, i didnt know how to program drums at all. i didnt know that that basic beat was kick snare kick kick snare. i used to just throw random drums in and program notes in randomly and hope for the best. it was all like "SNARE KICK TOM TOM KICK SNARE HI-HAT KICK"
this is the best ive been able to do thus far. i swear im not fuckin demarcus.

and i did mix it, i fucked with the track gains and shit in the mix station area.

>i didnt know that that basic beat was kick snare kick kick snare.
Demarcus said that exact same thing bro, you've already been found out

u can't troll me

i dont even know who demarcus is. i have only been in this general a couple times to check if what i make is bad for amateur standard (i see it is)
i just want some help.
also to address the whole "copy paste" thing, is that bad?

holy fuck read the pastebin watch some tutorials dude

yes it's fucking bad, it's boring.

what am i supposed to do with it then?

>why write music when we can write it for you?

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delet

Write a story; take the listener on a journey.

I told you all that Demarcus was Phaser's /prod/ killing golem and none of you believed.

I feel like Scales might be good for harp-like glissandos but that's about it. Just set your scale and swipe your keyboard.
Am I missing anything?

How they hell do you do vocals. Ive been fucking around for months but it doesnt matter what effects I use or how much reverb my vocals just sound like some geek in his bedroom seriously cannot get over this hump.

>my vocals just sound like some geek in his bedroom seriously cannot get over this hump.
Stop being a geek in your bedroom.

thanks

Could be any number of things from the tuning or timbre of your voice to the type of mic you're using. Do you have any examples? I could help you diagnose the problem.

bump

>used to make music years ago
>no theory knowledge but I could achieve good results by ear
>don't make music for a few years
>try again today and everything is good except the chords are worse than before I started making music
>mfw I forgot how to harmony
What do I do?
Should I just cheat and use a plugin that makes chords for me?

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You can select Chromatic I literally just checked

>cheat
heh you guys never learn

there is no cheating in art

It definitely can do that, but it has other uses.
The way it's presented is that it makes chords easier for the non piano player to record, and can be used to quantize your clumsy fat-fingered efforts into a given key.

youtube.com/watch?v=aMqfUXlLznA

I use an instance pretty much every time I open Reason, usually to putz around until I have an idea, but also to practice playing a scale (set the note reject on) and to quantize midi that's been randomized or shifted.

Meme of the day

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How can I sound like an early 80's oi band?
youtube.com/watch?v=nhzg9fKrHbA

I made a whole fucking album but I have no friends to listen to my garbage
How do I advertise myself and whatever? I dont have any social media or sound cloud or any of that

If it's really good, send it to a label. If it's okay good, send it to a netlabel. Maybe. What are you thinking?

Ah I hadn't thought about labels at all
Think I'll do my research on netlabels and such and hopefully they'll reply

Good luck. Depending on the genre, you might be able to find some blogs or YouTube channels as well that could feature/review your album.
You'll likely need to start small though and it may help to develop a social media presence so people checking you out can look it up and see that you're serious about this.

>Not just learning piano

>just learning piano
>just
As if years of consistent practice and study are easier than just using a program to do it for you...

Please refer to this picture and its filename.

lol why are we doing /prod/ when in 5/10 years a child can be doing the EXACT same thing we are doing but only with a tablet

Because it's not 2024/2029 yet.

Based.

Wait I thought we were all teenage bedroom producers leaping as depressed 20-30 somethings.

You got it all wrong pal.
We're depressed 20-30 somethings larping as teenage bedroom producers.

Prolly not, when I was 4 years in, I was just starting to find my footing and gain a sliver of confidence
Im now 10 years in and I have an ego problem that I have to keep in check at this point
Just keep at it, the better question is "how much do you want this?"
>this shit is like everest, if youre the last of the group to reach the top, does it fucking matter?

Holy fuck, I'm a stereotype

Syntorial or Welsh's Synthesizer Cookbook?

Virgin stereotype vs Chad monotype.

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So I'm trying to produce but I can't do anything beyond 8 bar loops. How do I push through this shit?
I'm almost 40.

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how to make it as a teenage bedroom producer??

Let everyone you know that you're one, and get teenage bedroom pussy.

GET OUT OF MY HEAD

well u can try making 16 bar loops

I mean, the transition to the next 'part' that is different but similar enough to be in the same song/flow is the part I'm struggling with. I can shit out ideas for days but I want to go in thousands of different directions.

Welcome to the grind, bruh

clyp.it/gp1b4tmb?token=ece5109c5465790cd3d89c2b64c34d09

A little practice, my first time actually applying music theory
How does this sound to you guys? How do i vary it up? I feel like the chords are too repetitive. The drum beat too, that's a sample

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>clyp.it/gp1b4tmb?token=ece5109c5465790cd3d89c2b64c34d09
Concept is really cool as a sketch. No problem with a simple drum beat but I feel like you need to get drum sounds that sound like they belong with the rest of the piece. Right now your drum samples are super clean which makes them pop like crazy.

do random inversions so its not the same chords over and over and randomize the velocity so it doesnt sound like it was made in a DAW

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