How do we improve representation of transgender artists?

PENIS

epic

yeah
based

based

do u guis like death grips haha

BITCH GOT A PENIS

WHO GOT A BENIS?? :DDDD

(You) got a benis

this

BENIS :DDDDD

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They all need to be rounded up in one place and publicly executed

who got a penis

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absolutely ebin :-DDD

Why is Yea Forums so retarded when it comes from Gender. It's like no one has even read up on what it actually is

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dilate

BITCH

GOT

Can you fuck back off to /lgbt/ ? Trannies have already polluted this board. Not to mention you faggots bitch and moan relentlessly anytime someone mentions a band/artist who aren’t leftists ideologues.

This

BITCH

GOT

>Not to mention you faggots bitch and moan relentlessly anytime someone mentions a band/artist who aren’t leftists [sic] ideologues [sic].
Name 1 (one) time this has happened

No shit.

>newfag fell
underageb& the whole site, this is so bad

If gender is a social construct, why do trans people go on hormones?

>Blocks your path

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i see way more cis people complaining about trans ppl when a trans artist is brought up or the trans community on rym or whatever is brought up than people complaining when a conservative artist is brought up....

Why do you drink coffee or eat food? What does that have to do with gender

Why can't trannies just stand on the quality of their music?

because its a construct that defines our realities you idiot. it is socially constructed but has very very real consequences for how one must live their life... its really basic and just read a little bit about gender or talk to someone

> just read a little bit about gender
fuck off tumblr squad

Whoa, I want to mutilate my genitals now!

why be willfully ignorant and hateful? if trans people are confusing to you or whatever maybe learn about how gender works instead of lashing out with hatespeech and bigotry towards people who arent harming you...

It's like when someone decides to be a musician. It's not like being a musician is an objective unchanging idea that wasn't invented by humans

If gender is a social construct then why do trans girls always beat biological girls in sports?
youtube.com/watch?v=NIlq85dL0C4

Look up gender and then look up sex. Stop making yourself look dumb

i didn't choose to be a musician, it's a nasty habit that stuck and whatever else i do, it's just not the thing

TRANSGENDERISM CANCELLED

RESEARCH AUTOGYNAPHILIA

its no secret that different physiques and body makeup can effect how well you can play sports etc. but those physiques and body types have nothing to do with gender

>Stop making yourself look dumb
So I'm the dumb one for leaving my dick intact?

>those physiques and body types have nothing to do with gender
What came first: Sex, or Gender?

>losing the argument
>turns to ad hominems
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender

Why do they keep killing themselves?

ok well you can argue then that your gender choice has a lot of very real rammifications for cis women because your biological characteristics still condition how easy it is for you to win therefore they are entitled to ban you from their sports organisations

Personality comes after. Did Dinosaurs associate the color pink and wearing dresses with female dinosaurs?

Because the jews lie to them that they can become the opposite sex

By not caring how other people live their lives.

Why should I respect someone for the sole basis that they voluntarily underwent a medical procedure to mutilate their own genitals?

That's not what transgender is and is more associated with body dysphoria. Again read up on these topics so you don't come across as retarded

Dinosaurs didn't wear dresses, you fucking retard. Although, female dinosaurs were probably physically weaker and less aggressive. That's just a theory though. Maybe that had some influence on personality, I dunno.

>body dysphoria
mental illness

not all trans people get medical procedures. cis people regularly get body modifications as well. stop calling it mutilation unless you call all surgeries mutilations.

Yes it is generally treated that way. What is your point?

Have a sex change.

GOT

/thread

>cis people regularly get body modifications as well
The most common form of body modification for men is circumcision, which is done involuntarily without the child's consent. To me, that's much more important issue than a mentally ill body dismormphic tranny cutting its dick off.

This is Ayn Rand-tier libertarian logic.
>Dude lmao let's just legalize heroin because people should be free to do whatever they want

what does cis mean?

You seems to care a lot about what other people do with their genitals. Have you ever wondered what that says about you?

Not him. But the solution to a mental illness isn't to condone all the nonsensical delusions of the patient. Listening to someone with gender dysphoria and agreeing with them is akin to telling a schizophrenic that their radio is actually talking to them.

it is. except there is nothing wrong with having dysmorphia and often outwardly presenting as another gender can cure it. kind of like depression is an illnesses heavily influenced by societal structures. why not fight the societal structures rather than force someone out of their natural state to belong within gender constructs imposed on them?

We should.

It seems to me like you're trying to normalize this mental illness

Don't concern yourself in the affairs of other people, it's not your business
>Oh?? Nice libertarian logic, let's just legalize heroin too since its none of my business what others do

This is you.

>mutilation: the infliction of serious damage on something.
>cutting penis and testicles off and creating a wound in its place isn't a mutilation!

you fucking die

Do you really think the fact that heroin is illegal is the only reason most people don't do it?

>Natural State
Oy Vey

burn them alive

why should we shame mental illness? the cause of gender dysmorphia is the societal construct of gender. its a societally created illness. why not help people who struggle with it?

short for cisgender

Cisgender is a term for people whose gender identity matches the sex that they were assigned at birth. For example, someone who identifies as a woman and was assigned female at birth is a cisgender woman.

its a music board guys

Mental illnesses are natural, but not healthy. Would you suggest someone with depression just take pills and live their life in a permanent state of numbness? Because I wouldn’t want to live like that myself. Let’s strive to cure, not just treat, mental illnesses.

>abominations can make good music
nah, sometimes they can accidentally rearrange good music to still sound good though

"Gender is a social construct" was just an excuse for John Money to dress boys up as girls and have them imitate sex positions.

lmao let me guess, you're circumcised

All ideas are social constructs

If dinosaurs were anything like other reptiles it's actually the exact opposite.

Social constructs are spooks

>why should we shame mental illness?
Because it's dysgenic to promote and encourage mental illness, just like it's dysgenic to promote and encourage "body positivity" for fat people

>Let’s strive to cure, not just treat, mental illnesses.
except there are no harmful effects with people who are trans curing their gender dysmorphia by presenting as different societally constructed gender.

there are negative effect of numbing oneself with pills to treat depression. instead we should be fihting issues like capitalism and bigotry which are major causes of depression.

>actually

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hang them from trees, they'll be visible from much higher and have much more representation and from a further distance

We should shame people that want to mutilate their bodies and encourage the mutilation of other people's bodies, in response to a mental illness.

holy fucking based

>except there are no harmful effects

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>projecting
Honestly, what's with your dick thing? You can tell me.

You don't have to "read" anything, you just check what's inside your underwear.

I have read Sedgwick, Nussbaum, Greer, MacKinnon and obviously Butler
They all basically argue the same thing with regards to gender: yes, it's a social construct, but that necessarily describes "gendered" actions. I don't think any influential philosophers actually argue against the existence of gender, or even go so far as argue that there is more than the binary.

Greer is famously transphobic while Butler argues the opposite. However, even Butler recognizes that while the trans struggle is a feminist issue, they are not the same as cisgendered women, and will never be the same.

Why do you want to hear about my dick you fucking faggot?

This shit will destroy us like the Roman empire.

By reducing their representation in world's population to zero

buy on bandcamp
signal boost often
destroy /mu

based

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Way to flip it on me. Thanks. That explains most of it.

Oy Vey!

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Ah, that old nugget.
The Roman Empire had been Christian for 300 years before the fall of Rome. And then existed in the East for 1000 more years after the fall.

>blaming the fall of Rome on Christianity instead of Jewish subversion

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>except there are no harmful effects

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I'm sure the Greek philosophers of antiquity would be impressed with the infamous gender list that's basically the same handful of non-binary identities but with different names and phrasing.

the vast majority of people haven't read up on gender because it's not relevant to their lives you sperg
i could talk your ear off about welding and look down upon you for not understanding the difference in voltages required for working in 12mm steel and 6mm aluminium, but that would be retarded because I understand that even though it is important in my life, most people won't spend the time learning about it because it doesn't matter to them
people don't read up on gender because to 99% of them, the binary gender system is perfectly adequate

wooow its almost as if theyd get represented if they made an actually good fucking album

u can just say 'im trans artist' and any lefty music site will shill your album to begin with

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I'd blame it more on over-expansion, economic hardship, decaying leadership, and, you know, the Visigoths.

Based and redpilled

>most people won't spend the time learning about it because it doesn't matter to them
>people don't read up on gender because to 99% of them, the binary gender system is perfectly adequate
ok then dont oppress ppl who it is relevant towards and does effect. youre clearly admitting we know more than you

>bands/artists that aren't leftist
Desu I don't think this exists anymore except in like,what, country?

then don't talk about it?

>medium.com/@sue.donym1984/inauthentic-selves-the-modern-lgbtq-movement-is-run-by-philanthropic-astroturf-and-based-on-junk-d08eb6aa1a4b

Have a read. This is a highly researched essay on topic.

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>gender and sex are different
>trans genders
>want to physically change their sex
>not allowed to be called transsexual
I'm confused, if gender is a social construct why transition? If girls are just people that wear dresses......why do they turn their penis inside out......I don't get it

>get torn bicep reattached surgically
>its the same as cutting my penis off
Makes sense to me

OK now this is based

By hanging them on livestreams around the world*

*Trans males only

I'd really like to tolerate trannies but the overlap between them and commie vermin is too high, and commie vermin gets the helicopter ride, crotch wound or not.

this

>bigot AND a bootlicker
classic

>"write an essay about what you did over the summer"
>WAS EPIC LMFAO .5 ALL THE WAY TO 5 AHEM FUCK TRANNIES

Most trannies were molested as children. There's one that I know of who lives near me that was molested by her uncle when she was around 9 years old, decided to lop off her tits and take hormones. We call it "the transformer".

sweetie, are you seriously kinkshaming people who are into licking boots now? you're being such a chud that i can't even!

>we
you call it that in your head, huh

familyresearchinst.org/2009/02/child-molestation-and-homosexuality-2/#fn-225-10

>The Southern Poverty Law Center has listed FRI as an anti-gay hate group because of Cameron's discredited research and claims about LGBT people. According to the SPLC, Cameron's "continued demonization of LGBT people and the shoddy and suspect research methods he uses to advance his claims have earned his Family Research Institute (FRI) a place on the SPLC's anti-LGBT hate group list."
hmm

This thread reeks of tumblrspeak and chapotards.

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lmao the dude on the right legit looks like one of the chapo hosts

No one's trying to convince you to transition, anons. You sound paranoid.

dailycaller.com/2019/05/09/google-jigsaw-using-splc-data-comment-moderation/
>Jigsaw, the Alphabet subsidiary that began as the Google Ideas think tank, has been utilizing Southern Poverty Law Center datasets in the development of their Perspective API, a comment moderation engine, documents shared with The Daily Caller indicate.

>Three sets of comments from Breitbart, The Daily Stormer and Stormfront were provided to Jigsaw by the SPLC and have been identified both in internal company memos and code for the API. The latter two are neo-Nazi websites.

>These datasets were provided in raw form to Jigsaw, meaning that the embattled Montgomery nonprofit is assisting the development of a Google comment moderation product intended to be applied across a wide swath of the media. It also represents confirmation that the SPLC has been scraping wholesale the content of far-right websites.

>The Perspective API is “part of the Conversation AI research effort that aims to help increase empathy, participation and quality in online conversation at scale,” according to its Github description, and was originally known as the Respect Engine within the company. This new moderation product scores comments based on “toxicity,” meaning a comment containing expressive language or ad-hominem attacks would get a higher score than reasonable disagreement. That score can then be used to either approve, block, or otherwise rank a comment.

>Among the partners working to apply the Perspective API are the New York Times, Wikimedia Foundation, The Economist, and The Guardian. “By making its archive of moderated comments available to Jigsaw, The Times hopes to provide a unique foundation for the creation of machine learning modules that can assess fresh comments in real time,” reads a 2016 statement from the New York Times in which they announced the collaboration.

hmmmmmmmmmmm

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You can't tell me chopping off your dick is an idea, that is the worst fucking idea I've ever heard. "All ideas are social constructs" is the mantra for bearded fags with spectacles rationalizing their desires by turning them into theories with no basis on reason.

>No one's trying to convince you to transition, anons.
vox.com/2018/10/22/18009020/transgender-children-teens-transition-detransition-puberty-blocking-medication

40%

What's wrong with beards?

Look, it's another extremely honest poster who fails to distinguish between adult men who have sex with adult men and adult men who have sex with children. When people say "homosexual" or "gay," it's commonly understood to refer only to the former group. Hope this clears things up.

Proportionality Is The Key

Study after nationwide study has yielded estimates of male homosexuality that range between 1% and 3%.3 The proportion of lesbians in these studies is almost always lower, usually about half that of gays. So, overall, perhaps 2% of adults regularly indulge in homosexuality. Yet they account for between 20% to 40% of all molestations of children.

Child molestation is not to be taken lightly. Officials at a facility which serves about 1,500 runaway youngsters each year estimate that about half of the boys have been homosexually abused and 90% of the girls heterosexually assaulted.30 Investigation of those suffering severe chronic mental illness implicates child molestation as a primary cause; 45% of Bigras et al’s patients were homosexually abused).31

If 2% of the population is responsible for 20% to 40% of something as socially and personally troubling as child molestation, something must be desperately wrong with that 2%. Not every homosexual is a child molester. But enough gays do molest children so that the risk of a homosexual molesting a child is 10 to 20 times greater than that of a heterosexual.

> A large study of transgender adolescents from the Netherlands found that only 1.9 percent of those who hit puberty and start puberty blockers decide to stop treatment like Alex did.
>There is more debate around how likely prepubescent children are to later not identify as transgender. For this reason, they are not offered hormone therapies.
These are also teenagers who exhibit the symptoms of gender dysphoria. It sounds like you aren't exhibiting any symptoms of gender dysphoria and are already comfortable in your body, in which case, good for you. Why would I or anyone else want to change that?

Is anyone else confused by how the actions of a group that represents 0.6% of the population became such a widespread political issue?

>Why would I or anyone else want to change that?
So they have a lower chance of suicide in the future, as well as a relatively healthy sex life with sex organs that function properly. I presume you know about dilation, right?

Hi, it appears you're a bit confused about what my post actually said. Here it is again:
>When people say "homosexual" or "gay," it's commonly understood to refer only to the former group.
You and the fellow in this link, on the other hand, appear to be classifying any adult man who molests a male child as a "homosexual," whereas most typically refer to these individuals as "pedophiles" or "child rapists." In other words, it is perfectly to be an adult man, have sex with other adult men, and not have sex with children all at the same time. I know several people who do just that. Hope this clears things up.

>nooooo, stop asking questions, goy!

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I do. You're aware of what gender dysphoria is, right? Do you think the suicidal ideation only comes once the transition (i.e. the treatment for dysphoria) actually happens?

>I know several people who do just that.
lmao you sure sound like one of them you fucking faggot

it only became a widespread issue because of strong conservatard opposition

What did you think of Steven Crowder's new video?

If you're confused this will explain it, unironically and without larping nazi autism.

Inauthentic Selves: The modern LGBTQ+ Movement Is Run By Philanthropic Astroturf And Based On Junk…
medium.com/@sue.donym1984/inauthentic-selves-the-modern-lgbtq-movement-is-run-by-philanthropic-astroturf-and-based-on-junk-d08eb6aa1a4b

Seriously. If anyone is confused as to why this shit has become so big, and why anyone cares, this is it. It's always about money at the end of the day.

I think it probably gets worse after the transition and the kid realizes that there's no coming back from this horrible life choice. They're told that once they transition, everything will be great and they won't have to worry about feeling uncomfortable in their own skin anymore. And for a while they might feel pretty good, but eventually the novelty wears off. That's when the suicidal ideation kicks into overdrive.

He's a fucking Zionist neocon, why the fuck would I listen to his pro-Israel propaganda?

Because is a marketable issue. Media coverage, hormones, surgeries, are all things that make a lot of money to flow and diverge the attention of both left and right wing people (and you can clearly see this itt) from real societal issues. Same with all the race discussions. Classic divide and conquer tactic.

Scientific literature on the subject generally indicates the opposite. as.cornell.edu/news/analysis-finds-strong-consensus-gender-transition-treatment-effectiveness
Cases like you described are certainly not nonexistent, but they are evidently exceedingly rare. This is not to discount the misfortunes of that small fraction of people, which almost everyone would find deeply troubling. But denying all people with dysphoria the only treatment that has been demonstrated to be generally effective seems like a nonsensical response.

why do trannies hate capitalism so much when its the only reason their mental illness is getting normalized

Because it was only supported recently meanwhile socialists have supported the lgtb community for far longer

youtu.be/KaxYt2iAlMY

Go get fucking therapy kek

williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/AFSP-Williams-Suicide-Report-Final.pdf
>The prevalence of suicide attempts among respondents to the National Transgender Discrimination Survey (NTDS), conducted by the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force and National Center for Transgender Equality, is 41 percent, which vastly exceeds the 4.6 percent of the overall U.S. population who report a lifetime suicide attempt, and is also higher than the 10-20 percent of lesbian, gay and bisexual adults who report ever attempting suicide. Much remains to be learned about underlying factors and which groups within the diverse population of transgender and gender non-conforming people are most at risk.
I hope you realize how fucking wrong you are.

its well documented in other noncapitalist cultures of trans ppl being accepted and gender binaries not existing...

why wouldn't you hate capitalism?

>noncapitalist cultures

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>Go get fucking therapy
How much time have you spent reading the scientific literature about gender dysphoria? How much time have you spent studying psychology? Do you think "therapy" is a magical panacea to every mental illness?
Also, you appear not to possess basic literacy skills. I said point-blank in my previous post that a small fraction of trans people end up dissatisfied after transitioning. That person appears to be one of them. This in no way discounts the rest of what I said.

shut the fuck up tranny. you aren't a woman, and WILL NEVER, EVER EVER be a woman.

40 percent

aww yes commodities and material goods is what makes societies good! (also lets ignore how global capitalism extract and destabilizes the rest of the world so a select few can live in comfort)

>small fraction
I've seen stories online of people regretting it after chopping their dicks off. It's a gaping wound that's going to keep trying to heal itself unless you shove foreign objects into it everyday. That's the type of hell I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.

None of the tranny defenders dared to reply to this?

So many of you are so silly. Not every transwoman wants to cut their penis off. I'm of the opinion that if people treated trans people less like shit (newsflash: you are not saying anything interesting or contributory by letting them know that you're a snowflake that won't respect their wishes because you put being contrarian and selfish over doing simple tasks to help others feel at ease), they probably wouldn't care about genital surgery. It's you fucks who constantly go "LMAO NOT A REAL GIRL" over and over that make them feel like they have to have that surgery to fit in.

Also, no one is going to make you fuck a trans person, so please stop being so afraid of them. If you become more accepting of trans people, it doesn't mean you have to suck anyone's dick if you don't want to. Stop being childish about other people making decisions and just let people live, bitch.

Maybe they are suicidal because people like you treat them like freaks their whole life?

Kek I didn't say go get therapy that was a tranny. You heard it straight from the horsefaced mouth and CANT cope. Go dilate

Most viscerally repulsive people you see in public:
1. Trannies
2. Shit-and-piss-soaked black homeless persons freaking out on flakka
3. Sweaty flamboyant faggots smoking a cigarette who looks like he wants to approach you
4. Fat people
5. Crust punk hobo trash
6. Normie with clipboard
7. Tatted up gangsta police officer who works for a big city
8. Blue hair shaved-side-of-head dyke SJW Andy Milonakis creature
9. Italians

When did I deny that trans people attempt suicide at much higher rates than the general population? There are numerous other factors that contribute to these higher rate, for example near-total social ostracism, higher rates of homelessness after families kick them out, etc. The point is that transitioning, by all accounts, helps (not solves) the problem. Do you think those people would not have attempted suicide if they weren't allowed to transition?

The generally agreed upon treatment for dysphoria is transitioning. If you consider it to be a mental illness, why don't you let medical professionals do their job instead of stepping in with your ill-informed and bigoted opinions?

To your loaded question?

A better question is: why do you care about shit that doesn't effect you?

Fuckin libtards ruining my board

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>no one is going to make you fuck a trans woman
Guess I'm a virgin forever

>I've seen stories online of people
This is not inconsistent with anything I said.
I'm not trans.

cunt

I hate those clipboard fags so much. Sometimes I wonder if they're CIA.

White people are on a, whole other level of people you don't want to be around

Then go mow hay. No one is trying to stop you.

why be unnecessarily evil?

lmao. most of that shit is forced roles and has nothing to do with 'transgenderism'
there're way more trannies than just 0.6 percent. look at how they colonized Yea Forums, /r9k/ and other boards. you need to understand that the concept of trans flipped from being effeminate gay men or intersex who wanted to live as women (the classic rare transsexual) to being about 90 percent woman-attracted 'lesbians' who are silicon valley tycoons, soldiers and software engineers and shit

im not trans and not a woman. i identify as nonbinary but have read a lot and talked in depth with many people and known many peopel who are trans or genderqueer. you clearly have no argument. you just hate people for no reason. trans people arent hurting you. seriously ask yourself why you are mindlessly hating a group of people. its pretty clear once you get a basic understanding of how gender works why people would be transgender, why people would choose to present as a different socially constructed gender than they would at birth, and why people would wish their bodies and genitilia to match the body of a specific gender.

Why be unnecessarily evil and mock suicide?

>still no rebuttal
Gender theory is a meme kek, going to be looked at the way we see lobotomy in 40 years tops.

Okay now admit that gender is inseparably tied to sex and that gender roles are perfectly valid ways to organize society and that maybe women and men are not equal and it's okay if engineering is a predominantly male field just like nursing is a predominantly female field.

Because it's OK for people to do what they need to to feel whole, if it doesn't effect others.

This honestly depends on who you're talking to. Myself and most of the trans people I know are of the opinion that biological sex cannot be changed, There are crazies out there who insist otherwise out of personal insecurity, but most trans people acknowledge this to some extent. Gender, however, is a social construct of attributes we typically attribute to people regardless of our knowledge of their genitals or chromosomes. There are very pretty women that were born male, but if they went into the women's restroom, you wouldn't think anything of it, because you wouldn't have any idea that they are packin' pairs. What trans people typically want is to just be allowed to mind their own business without people mistreating them, and unfortunately many things in our society are gendered. Much of this is up for discussion. For example, if someone wanted to say that trans women shouldn't be able to compete against cis women in athletics, I'd agree with that wholeheartedly, because they'd have a competitive advantage.

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>nonbinary
Lmfaoo, this nigga cant even choose one what a fucking idiot lmao

FREAKING EPIC!!!!!1!!!!11!1

you have to be 18+ here

we clearly have answered that question many times in deptth throughout the thread. weve outlined how the construct manifests itself as having very real consequences and how people altering their presentation and self identity to fit within a construct works

>IM NOT MENTALLY ILL
>HERE LET ME CUT MY DICK OFF TO PROVE IT
Treating symptoms, ignoring sickness

Why don't troons go live with the savage tribes since they're far more accepting of them?

So the right, the left, money, and, for unknown and unwarranted reasons, Jews. That pretty much sums up the current state of political debate.

pic related me walking away from this thread

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Imagine spending your time arguing about gender politics on the music section of an image board for chinese cartoons.

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90% of artists are male,so you're already represented.

I disagree that gender *has* to be inseparably tied to sex. I think that over time, as people have started transitioning, we have developed a new need to separate the concepts of gender and sex because there are people born male who have a preference for feminine aesthetics to such a point that they are ridiculed for it *unless they pass as female*. If our society changed to the point where this ridicule didn't happen, they probably wouldn't mind being called "he" even. Also, if people want to adhere to traditional gender roles, or identities, or whatever, no one reasonable ever said they couldn't. As I said in a previous post, people are just trying to live their lives, homie. Men and women are never going to be entirely equal because both sexes have a whopping list of differences, but we should still strive for equality of opportunity for those who feel inclined to go against the grain. Is that so hard?

>im not sick
>things I don't understand scare me and I refuse to learn about them
>all I need to do is listen to crowder and breitbart to validate my views

I use to be as retarded as you until I went outside and talked to people

>academia can't be politically pressured into changing the way language is applied

>the right
>the left
>money
>jews
Why do you keep repeating yourself? Congrats, you now know that everyone since the dawn of civilization has been manipulated by wealthy people in power in order to make them more wealthy and powerful. Welcome to the world, it a shit

i'm 14 and this is deep

I said it before and I will say it again: NOT ALL TRANS PEOPLE WANT SEXUAL REASSIGNMENT SURGERY. It is those who act childish like you that make trans women feel so insecure that they feel they need that surgery. It is a very, very small group. I know plenty of trans people (the grand majority of the over 50 or so I've known) that are perfectly fine with their genitals as is and have no issues or dysphoria relating to them. Go outside instead of making strawmen arguments and building yourself a straw hut out of bigotry, bitch.

>YOU DONT HAVE SCHIZOPHRENIA YOU DONT GET IT STOP SAYING WE NEED TO TREAT THEM BILLY GO JUMP OFF THE ROOF THE ALIENS ARE REAL THEY REALLY MADE YOU ABLE TO FLY
Symptoms × Cures

I find no flaw in this statement.

>transgenders
>without surgery
Ah, you mean crossdressers.

I don't doubt for a second that you're actually 14.

trans without reassignment are uggos

By representing them the way they truly are.
As perverted faggots.

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Do you consider all forms of desired plastic surgery to be mental illness? What about Piercings? Tattoos? Some people are into extreme body mods, and do really crazy, irreversible shit, because that's just what they like. Do you not think that people ought to be able to do with their bodies what they wish? You've got your own body to worry about, bitch.

Schizophrenia and gender dysphoria are two different conditions with different causes and different treatments. Are you honestly this incapable of grasping nuance?

The Creator made two genders: man and woman.

>our realities
here's the crux of the disagreement.
the postmodern left thinks we each have our own subjective "realities."
people who don't have neo-marxist brain worms think we just have one objective reality that we all interact with in different ways.
there is no reconciling these two worldviews.

Their presentation? You mean like vaginas and penises? Because they know deep down that women are supposed to have vaginas and men supposed to have penises? Gender roles are byproducts of the natural differences between the sexes and we should just accept it.

>giving your perverted fetish a pet name

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its /pol/ they think their personalized metaphors make sense due to autism

Not true. Currently dating someone that no one even knows is trans until she starts talking. Before we started dating, people would often come up to her, be surprised, and then buy a drink anyway because they were intrigued. Take your dumb generalizations and stuff 'em, bitch.

What chapter of 12 Rules for Life are you on?

Trannies are freaks who can't leave their cross dressing fetish in the bedroom and expect the rest of the world to cater to them

Those are drag queens or just IRL shitposters in girls clothes.
Learn the difference.

kek

Classic 14-year-old post

I'm glad you are dating a pretty boy

>wow what a beautiful tattoo, that's an incredible piece of art, I bet that took the artist hours and hours!
>yeah it did, its important to me because I had cancer and it reminds me to never give up
>wow that's really cool!

Vs

>my dick makes me want to kill myself please cut if off I hate myself so fucking much if I don't cut it off ILL FUCKING KILL MYSELF YOU DONT GET IT IM COMPLETELY FINE SERIOUSLY BUT IF YOU DONT CUT THIS OFF RIGHT FUCKING NOW I SWEAR TO GOD ILL KILL MY FUCKING SELF

Equal and balanced

Here's a hypothetical situation for you all to consider. Let's say some scientists invent a pharmaceutical treatment that absolutely cures gender dysphoria. With a >99% success rate, patients will no longer experience delusions regarding their gender. In this scenario, the scientific literature confirms that this new treatment is undeniably more effective than HRT and sexual reassignment surgeries.

Would eliminating this mental illness also eliminate transgender people? Would this treatment even be accepted by the transgender community? Would this new treatment method be labelled transphobic?

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What if you want to mow hay while listening to good music on the radio, but the music is shit for diversity quota bullshit.
I bet male black artists would be replaced with garbage too, it's not just white males here.

I know enough about the subject to know the trans suicide rate is something like 40%, which seems to imply modern medicine's current "treatment" for trans people (humoring their delusions and providing them with dangerous hormone therapy & possibly surgery) PROBABLY isn't super effective

>>IM COMPLETELY FINE
This is the opposite of what people with gender dysphoria feel.
Also, as the other poster keeps pointing out, not every trans person gets surgery or wants it.

>YOURE DUMB THEYRE DIFFERENT IM NOT EVEN GOING TO SAY HOW BECAUSE ITS DUMB YOURE DUMB I DONT HAVE TO EXPLAIN ANYTHING TRANSPHOBE
Could've made an LGBTQ+ ally today, guess not. Shame.

>only I determine the self worth of others!
Wow

wow nice argument mind == blown (away)

What you trannies call "gender" is literally made up bullshit, it doesn't fucking exist. Wear a dress a dress and lipstick if you want to, if you got a wiener flopping around down there, then your sex is male, case closed. You people are literally going around inventing imaginary bullshit for you to passionately rave or complain about. You could only be either mentally ill or outrageously privileged. Seek help or fuck off.

Me too.

>on the radio
What the fuck are you doing on this board, user?

lmao i knew a nigga who thought he was a turtle. they gave that nigga elctro shock cause he was crazy.

If that became the most commonly recommended treatment by medical professionals, I would support it, even for my girlfriend, although ultimately I would say it is up to the individual as for many dysphoria is not some life threatening thing, and they have a sayso as to if they want to continue transitioning or not. I think the general trans community would adopt the same mindset.

>they dont feel fine
finally we agree, let's make them happy in their own bodies, the way we attempt to with anorexic people or literally anyone else with extreme body dysmorphia instead of reinforcing their delusions.

They're both delusions.

dude...didn't you know, there used to be, like, some indian thing called "two spirits"? that's why despite looking like a 200 lb man with a 5 o'clock shadow, I'm actually OBVIOUSLY a woman. heh, i bet you're feeling pretty stupid now.

>leftist troons think it's the ebil's capitalism's fault normal people find them disgusting and that even if they survived its violent overthrow the world would them consist of queer anarchist communes and went full kumbayah on them.

Honestly, the crossdressing twinks that larp as trad fashwives and cultivate a following of alt lite paypigs have better sense of self preservation than you.

>he seriously needs it explained to him *how* gender dysphoria and schizophrenia are different things
Based good faith intellectually honest poster

as opposed to trans people thinking their personalized notion of being a woman in an overweight man's body with xe/xer pronouns makes sense to regular people

They are preferences of different aesthetics, actually. Delusion comes into play only out of insecurities created by jackasses like you. I will say it again and again.

Nice strawman, retard. Have never met someone who uses xe/xer/zir/zim/zimbabwe/etc. pronouns. The most I have encountered is people who just want "they", which is whatever. Why is it so hard for you to just not be a prick?

>let's make them happy in their own bodies
Sounds good. Could you please provide some scientific literature that provides evidence for more efficacious treatment than transitioning?
Deep bro

pretty convenient worldview you got when every time you get cornered you can just pull out the COMPLETELY SUBJECTIVE, MAAAAAAAN card

>Much of this is up for discussion. For example, if someone wanted to say that trans women shouldn't be able to compete against cis women in athletics, I'd agree with that wholeheartedly, because they'd have a competitive advantage.
lol ok well enjoy being called a TERF and being threatened with curbstomps by your fellow transgenders, because that shit doesnt fly

This is the future I am hoping for. Save precious lives, and finally bring all of this annoying gender rhetoric to an end.

>when every time you get cornered
Where did I get cornered?

>COMPLETELY SUBJECTIVE, MAAAAAAAN card
Nice strawman though

not all trans people have gd

I'm srs how is it different from being a schizo or more closely I suppose anorexic. Anorexic people hate their bodies, cant stand them, want to change them at all costs, mutilate and starve their bodies to achieve their fucked up mental image of themselves. Please, seriously explain to me how that is any way different from someone hating their bodies so much, being so uncomfortable and disgusted with themselves, that they simply cannot live with what they were born? Why do we treat one back to a commonly agreed upon standard but encourage the other? It just doesn't make any sense to me. And dont say anorexia kills and transgenderism doesn't have consequences as well, HRT and puberty blockers are all unproven treatments prescribed off label with very real and very serious side effects

Greeks also thought that fucking teenaged boys in the ass was more masculine than eating pussy. Their view of sexuality was more nuanced than girly men trying to reject every that's manly.

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I don't know how others would react, but I and any sensible person would be all for this, and hopefully such a treatment exists at some point. Until then, however, we kind of have to work with the treatment methods at our disposal.

then literally how the fuck are you trans?

I still listen to the radio user.
People still listen to the radio to check up with whatever shit it's pushing.
That said, local radio here plays slint so it's not like your radio I guess.

Jewish doctors profiting off of harmful surgery that leaves you with septic hole between your legs are not helping you.

Fag hag WASPs who secretly see you as a morality pet that makes them look progressive to their social media friend are not helping you.

You have a delusion. You are not really a woman, period.

People who refuse to accommodate your delusions about your gender are helping you, even though it might not feel like it.

The truth isn't always fun.

Eating broccoli isn't as fun as eating a cake but it's better for you.

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Are you going to tell me that there is a pill that cures gayness and is accepted by the gay community?

Sounds terrifying to me in a kind of "this pill will give you Alzheimer's" kind of way

Anorexia is an eating disorder.

you are a bad person

>trans people dont want to transition shut up it's not real

Ok Mr. Anec Dotal

>transition is the only thing that works

Niggas iffy uh

>Jewish doctors profiting off of harmful surgery
There are many Jewish trans people user. The problem is apathy.

I generally agree with you and I'll even concede that gender doesn't always have to align with sex. However, I do think gender roles are absolutely necessary for a functional society and they should just be accepted instead of trying to be abolished like many on the progressive left want.

You're a girl? It's perfectly fine if you like pretty dresses and want a baby doll instead of a truck as a toy. You're a boy? It's fine if you like being dirty and would rather play sports than reading a book or something. You want to let people live their life then let them feel like it's okay to follow these natural inclinations. Let little Suzy know it's okay if she just wants to be a housewife and that she doesn't need to be a kickass independent female astronaut doctor.

turtle =/= gender

great article. basically explains how all this shit like itt is drummed up for tycoons on the left and right to sell identity politics

Wouldn't know. I don't listen to the radio.

prove it

>a small ghettoized minority took out the entire Roman Empire
fucking BASED

>Trans people
>not just a capitalistic kike conspiracy to invent another goddamn mental illness to harvest money from cattle goyim
>implying all the fruity music videos you young faggots watched didn't make you want to shake your ass like Shakira, or get dirty and toxic like Britney Spears
>affects whites as a majority
>idiots still fall for propaganda

Hahahahah. I'm Jewish, and me and my zionist friends laugh at how we fucked up white people even more. Keep being sad, pitying yourselves, while we laugh all the way to the bank!

>OWIE OWIE OOUCH! MY LITTLE GOY HEAD IS MAKING ME SAD! OWWIE DOCTOR PLEASE STOP THE OUCHIES :((((

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you still dont get gender. gender is constructed by society. its not a delusion. society literally forces people to be gendr they are not. they get the illness by being forced into a gender they are not. theres nothing wrong with these people it would happen to anyone who is forced into a gender construct they are not...

say it would stop people from experiencing dysphoria? we should dismantle the systems of gender not the people experiencing the effects of its construction.

I'm sure this line of thinking makes sense to someone in the universe
I agree completely. My fear is that the transgender community would reject this treatment because they would perceive it as a transphobic threat to their fabricated identities.
That's another hypothetical for another time.

Man, are you jews still mad about the holocaust?

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chapotards are only good for copypasta if you're trying to do some hardcore b8ing.

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im pretty sure anime and moeshit and vidya has transed far more people than any shakira video

because gender is a social construct but sex and gender identity are not

we keep repeating ourselves in the hopes that all the highschools and edgelords will stop fighting on a music board, or at least go back to /pol/ or whatever tranny discord they come from

Check on google if you have local volunteer radio.
I got a good station in my area with actual decent taste. They play the weirdest mix of shit from doom metal to synthpop to rap to reggae to ambient.
It's neato because you find good music on it.

Remember, don't get mad at trannies.
they might be loud, annoying, narcissistic and entitled, but they're basically a self-solving problem. 40% of the trannies you're arguing with in this thread are going to be six feet under, by their own hand, before their fourties.

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yeah, i too blame anime

It's not like it isn't in their scripture.

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>the postmodern left thinks we each have our own subjective "realities."
citation fucking need you peterson cum swallowing trogodyte

sure, but men have been effeminate and women have been masculine for millenia, and nobody ever suggested they weren't men or women. The main issue I see with this whole fucking thing is you want to have your cake and eat it too. Case in point
>gender isn't real, girls can like blue and guys can like pink whatever etc
okay sure im with ya
>thats why if you're a dude in a dress, you're a woman, because you're exhibiting feminine characteristics
alright well I thought we just said that gender isn't made up, which one is it? inb4
>since those gendered characteristics are what compose the gender then acting and displaying those characteristics makes you that gender
sure, but even then that doesn't make you a woman if you're a dude in a dress, you're just an effeminate man.

>IM A WOMAN IF I SAY IM A WOMAN

>So they have a lower chance of suicide in the future
transition rapidly decreases suicide rate you dumb faggot

80% of trannies are emotionally infantile so their art is gonna be cringy garbage only teenagers will like until there's enough of them that the 20% will shine through. I cannot wait for that day.

Are you implying high level Zionists care about "their people," user?

Are you thick? That is like thinking the CEO of Walmart cares about their stupid low-level workers, all the while they spend their paychecks buying food from Walmart.

What's the problem, they aren't hurting anyone. This is America after all

>That's not what transgender is and is more associated with
nice fanfic but literally all competent doctors disagree with you

Hitler was a Freemason.
Those who control the secrets of Kabbalah control the world, idiot.
IT WAS ALL A RUSE! IG

lmao the post you quoted is literally quoting a tranny who claims we each have personal "realities"

do you know what the 'appeal to authority' fallacy is? doctors could say the sky is red, that doesn't make it true.

>citation needed for denying reality
put those goal posts back where you planted em steven

for some reason quoted something random instead of
>Listening to someone with gender dysphoria and agreeing with them is akin to telling a schizophrenic that their radio is actually talking to them.

doc told me i have stage 4 cancer and only months to live but what the fuck he know the goddam quack

"treating" gender dysphoria by reaffirming their "gender" with surgery is indeed, the same as reinforcing schizophrenic delusions. Except GRS is permanent kek.

So from /vp/ all the way to Yea Forums posting a trans flag is just guaranteed replies, huh?

I love these threads
half the posters here would get banned on RYM for speaking the truth
it doesn't happen here and trannies don't know how to deal with it

What alternative treatment would you recommend that has been empirically demonstrated to be more efficacious than transitioning?

"Facts don't care about your feelings" -Ben Shapiro

they've already found the best treatment desu

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>theres nothing wrong with these people

Is that why they are offing themselves at extreme rates? Society has been discriminatory towards other demographics too, y'know. Not every marginalized group desperately wants to kill themselves.

Societal pressures are a factor, sure. But for trans people, there's more to it. It's an internal struggle between delusion and reality that absolutely wreaks havoc on a person's mental state. If we could more effectively treat or even cure this condition, the world would be a better place.

you want to have a real fun time, go to the /soc/ tranny threads where they all hug box each other and point out their massive veiny hands and brickbreaking jaws kek, I swear some of those dudes could've been fucking linebackers if they didn't take the tranny pill lmao

>jews don't care about jews or other people
So it's an apathy problem.

That's my point.

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I dunno, there might not be peer reviewed papers on this, but basically all of human history of parents saying "no steven, you're not a lady" seemed to work better

concentration camp and gulag inmates didnt off themselves like them either, nor do third worlders

40% is pre transition you fucing moron
literally every study confirms that it goes down after treatment

Unironically go get therapy. Your disregard for human well-being is disturbing.

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I don't think you understand. People are becoming concerned that the transgender thing is another manifestation of self harm. In fact it's a cult of self harm.

You appear to possess a basic misunderstanding of what gender dysphoria is. It is a persistent mental illness that does not go away without treatment (transitioning).

pls be nice to each other

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What do these people say to the fact that nearly all the scientific literature indicates that transitioning makes suicide and other factors leading to self-harm less likely?

Daily reminder that Alfred Kinsey's research into sexuality is one of the main proponents of LGBT subversion in the west.
Kinsey was a known Thelemite, the religion made by Aleister Crowley. He even met Kenneth Anger, the Satanic filmmaker who brushed heads with The Stones, The Beatles, Jimmy Page, and Elliott Smith, at the Abbey of Thelema in the 50s. There's a picture of the two in the actual Abbey. What happened in said Abbey? Well, literal shit-eating and kid fucking.
Alfred Kinsey's work revolved around exploring sexuality in all its depraved forms, even so far as to use real government funding to interview pedophiles, and hire pedophiles to abuse children, just so Kinsey could see when orgasms would take place. The victims he documented were as young as under a year.

"Limited in sex, they dare
To push fake morals, insult and stare
While money doesn't talk, it swears
Obscenity, who really cares
Propaganda, all is phony" - Bob Dylan, known friend of NAMBLA member Allen Ginsberg.

youtube.com/watch?v=0cBLRfoylmE

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That shouldn't be your problem though

dysphoria is often cured after transition, thats the entire point of it

>human well being
we're talking about trannies here, stay on topic

wow, it's almost as if hogging the cultural spotlight for 15 years and trying to send people to prison for using the 'wrong' pronouns might make you get a little backlash on anonymous boards

but earlier that trannie was saying there are trannies that don't want to transition? So what are they then?

>citation needed

Eat poison

epic

unbelievably fucking based and epicpilled

thx d00d

That person said they don't always get surgery. Presumably they still get HRT.
>>citation needed
Okay, here's one. as.cornell.edu/news/analysis-finds-strong-consensus-gender-transition-treatment-effectiveness

still better than literally pulling shit out of your ass like you are doing

The LGBTQ as a whole is a death cult covered in glitter.

>"treating" gender dysphoria by reaffirming their "gender" with surgery is indeed, the same as reinforcing schizophrenic delusions.
can you cite some literature supporting this?
or is it just true cause you think it is?

>my dick makes me want to kill myself please cut if off I hate myself so fucking much if I don't cut it off ILL FUCKING KILL MYSELF YOU DONT GET IT IM COMPLETELY FINE SERIOUSLY BUT IF YOU DONT CUT THIS OFF RIGHT FUCKING NOW I SWEAR TO GOD ILL KILL MY FUCKING SELF
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nice citation, my turn

heritage.org/gender/commentary/sex-reassignment-doesnt-work-here-the-evidence

>no argument
hard to type while dilating eh there greg?

>seemed to work better
why are pre transition sucide rates so much higher than?

Nice try Burger

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>nearly all the scientific literature indicates that transitioning makes suicide and other factors leading to self-harm less likely
I'd say your selection of sources have an extreme bias that ignore and contradict other fundamental scientific theories.
I also think that the think tanks pushing trans shit are doing so for Machiavellian purposes. It's almost a form of eugenics, but it also lowers the pre-existing western demographic to create a political casus belli to introduce more migrants and thus destroy racial boundaries.
Why would they want that? Because the economy is ponzi scheme like so this is two birds one stone:
1. creates a steady stream of migration
2. potential long term global stability through the destruction of cultural racial boundaries

Welcome to hell.

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It is, because see I'm being treated like cattle in an abattoir and the trans movement is being used to produce that systematic requirement.

heritage.org/gender/commentary/sex-reassignment-doesnt-work-here-the-evidence

it doesn't, two cherry picked studies that have been thoroughly debunked asserted that and promptly got BTFO lmao

Spbp

>trans people are a scheme to bring in more colored folk and commit white genocide
is over there

>trying to send people to prison for using the 'wrong' pronouns
nice meme you lobster retard but sadly its not true

And all this child fucking/ kundalini raising through sodomy/ moloch child sacrifice/ drinking young blood for an Andrenochrome high and longer lifespan goes WAY WAY BACK.

America has always been a Satanic cesspool.
We live in a literal hell.

Billie Eilish is my favorite trans artist, what about you guys?

>implying immigration is bad
oh nooo slight more brown people and food with flavor, ANYTHING but that

kys nazi incel

But it's relevant to the OP.
Report the OP, not me.

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As someone who is mixed race I know just how bad it is.
You have no idea how many health defects are manifested in hybrids of two genetically isolated races.

>you don't get to talk about my movement's authoritarian political ideas because le epic jordan peterson meme

>it doesn't, two cherry picked studies that have been thoroughly debunked asserted that and promptly got BTFO lmao
>Of 56 peer-reviewed studies, 52, or 93%, found that gender transition improves the overall well-being of transgender people. The other 7% reported mixed or null findings. None of the reviewed studies showed that gender transition harms well-being.
But sure, your document from the Heritage Foundation disproves all this.

You're horrifically bluepilled. What's the matter, user? Too dumb to read The Talmud? Hahahahhaa!

you had no argument in the first place
explain how are shizophrenia and gender dysphoria are comparable in any way
its like saying curing cancer is just supporting the patients delusion that he has cancer

>The Heritage Foundation (abbreviated to Heritage) is an American conservative think tank
wow
i'm sure these guys aren't biased or anythin'!

Just wait til they find out that sex and gender are actually the same thing lol

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See

I'm telling you from personal experience:

shut the fuck up, you clinically brain dead piece of shit-eating scum

its literally not true though

...

Just wait til they find out that frogposting and mental retardation are actually the same thing lol

>I'm being treated like cattle in an abattoir
No, I'm not seeing how this is true.

How does all this effect you directly?

based

but the medical officials who literally profit from same sex surgery and hormone therapy, now THAT'S an unbiased source lmao

>it's some guy in his early to mid twenties with persecution fantasies
Every single time.

Nice cognitive dissonance, you unwashed cattle.
I'm sure you've felt there's more to this world, and if you haven't, I pray for your limited experience.

>check wiki
>"Kinsey obtained research funding from the Rockefeller Foundation"
lmao literally funded by big pharma

...

>literally defending pedophiles

holy shit, you're fucked.

It goes far deeper than that, user! You'd be surprised at how much the Rockefellers had their hands in American corporations that created a cartel with IG Farben! The company that produced the poison for the Nazis to gas the jews. American companies even struck up deals with IG Farben to produce German tanks and vehicles during WW2.

I'd recommend reading Gravity's Rainbow by Thomas Pynchon. He lays it all out.

>heritage.org/gender/commentary/sex-reassignment-doesnt-work-here-the-evidence
>literally cites that notorious meme study that is so often misinterpreted by illiterate retards that the author has to explain it all the fucking time
OH NO NO NO
from the author of your study
>People who misuse the study always omit the fact that the study clearly states that it is not an evaluation of gender dysphoria treatment. If we look at the literature, we find.html) that several recent studies conclude that WPATH Standards of Care compliant treatment decrease gender dysphoria and improves mental health.

But wait I'm confused. Why would you cut off your dick? Why not just leave it and live with your sex? I mean I don't want to do my job, but I do it anyway.

based

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_dysphoria

most trans people dont even want to "cut off their dick"
HRT is way more important and its easy as fuck to tell pretty quickly if they are improving or not after starting it

Why do you care?

It's not your problem. Mind your own business

>wanting people to suffer

Yikes! Go pray to your Moloch alter, you anti-human heathen.

>Mind your own business

Is this the new hot rhetoric that the trannies are using?

agreed
not letting trans people transition causes suffering for them and its anti human and evil

Like music
hate trannies

Why do you spam this picture on all boards when you want anons to hate a post?
It's getting real thin.

Debt bondage. You're not meant to be able to pay them off user unless you're a freak of nature.

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>Only I determine how trans people should not suffer!
No
Not an argument.

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Yeah but I don't really care. After all I'm just supposed to mind my business. If they're killing themselves because of their delusions, I guess that's just not my business.

But that user above said it's the only solution that works and keeps them from killing themselves? Which one is it?

Psst. If you're looking for consistency of argument, you won't find it in the trans community

Exactly! When they spend tens of thousands of dollars of their own money to have their genitals mutilated, and they go home with that open wound that secretes foul odors, that is prone to infection, that inflicts huge amounts of pain when they try to use it whether urination or sexual gratification, which is highly diminished, and they find that a large majority of people want nothing to do with them romantically, since the regular biological method for most of humans to to breed with the opposite sex, and they get flung into a severe round of depression and regret and off themselves...

THAT HAS NOTHING TO FUCKING DO WITH YOU, YOU FUCKING BIGOT.

they are killing themselves demonstrably less after going through transition which you want to stop to "prevent their suffering"

>Debt bondage
Unrelated to the topic at hand, and thus irrelevant

>HRT is way more important

epic argumentum ad fastidium, faggot

there's literally no research to back up your stance. In fact, the suicide rate is among the highest... on par with severe bipolar disorder and schizophrenia.

HMMMM WONDER WHY?

Not disgust, just pure, hard facts and firsthand testimony from post-op individuals.

learn reading comprehension, illiterate retard
i said its less important, which is true, not that its not important at all
some people still want to go through it and it helps them in the vast majority of cases, but its not the main part of the treatment

>THAT HAS NOTHING TO FUCKING DO WITH YOU
Thank God for that.
>which you want to stop
Didn't say that. If they want to YEET their dicks out of a moving vehicle, that's fine. I just said I don't care because it's not my business.

I mean, it's NOT LIKE THE MENTAL HEALTH FIELD HAS NEVER MISDIAGNOSED NOR FUNDED TREATMENT THAT ULTIMATELY DESTROYED THE LIVES OF THE PATIENTS, LIKE WHEN THEY DID THOSE SILLLY LOBOTOMIES!

>there's literally no research to back up your stance
demonstrably untrue, read the thread
>HMMMM WONDER WHY?
1) Could it have something to do with the much lower income rates of trans people, much higher rates of homelessness and ostracism from family and former friends, and people like you who are relentlessly and obsessively cruel to them?
2) You must be 18

Don't forget the early forms of electro convulsive therapy. I'm sure those patients had a lot of fun.

>I don't care! I sperg out every time trans people are mentioned for unrelated reasons!

>pretending to care about poor people

lmao

>there's literally no research to back up your stance
shitton of them were posted in this thread stupid newfag
>the suicide rate is among the highest... on par with severe bipolar disorder and schizophrenia.
good thing it goes down after transition quite a lot

Almost all scientific literature disagrees with the idea that transitioning destroys the lives of people with gender dysphoria.

>I just said I don't care because it's not my business.
why are you even posting here at this point then?

>mental health literature

lmao

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The trail of conversation lead to their, don't you deny it.

Gay people were equally discriminated against at one point. So were various different ethnicities throughout history. Some people were enslaved and exterminated for their race.

And yet, no group has ever had suicide rates that approach those of transgender people. The ony exception is people with severe mental illness. This is because gender dysphoria is a severe mental illness that needs to be treated and it's symptoms should not be encouraged.

HRT may be the best treatment available now, but one day a better one will be discovered. Ideally, that would mean transgender people would become a relic of the past.

>psychology
>the only (((science))) that begins, and ends, with words, feelings, and conjecture
Sounds reliable to me

>haha... its actually based to be uneducated...
kill yourself subhuman

Someone who isn't a brainlet would actually read the literature and analyze its merits according to some sort of empirical standard. But I guess you never went to a brainwashing institution, so you're above all that, huh?

>that needs to be treated
agreed
and its treated by transition cause no other working treatment exists

>The trail of conversation lead to their
Led to their what?

Either way, argument was
>effecting you DIRECTLY
Not indirectly

>HRT may be the best treatment available now
So what the fuck are we arguing about?

>tfw you cant reliably gather statistics on whether your treatment effectively improves quality of life because the only negative sample size already killed themselves
I fucking love science, pickle rick!

>sperg out.
Yikes. Someone's projecting.
Trans people are fascinating to me, in the same way animals at the Zoo are. I simply refuse to get involved in gender politics in an actually meaningful way.

>trusting literal witch doctors in a field where there are no reproducible conclusions

I don't know. What are you arguing about?

>I can't read
>no reproducible conclusions
retard take

>"how do you feel after SRS? Would you say that you're happier now?"
Tfw you get kicked out of the funeral for asking simple questions

>it's ok if they use proxies
fuck off faggot.

What?

trans people are cringe tbhfam

they are actually pretty based

this is cringeposting at its worst

this desu

Based as fuck, removing their shit genetics from the gene pool before they can ever fuck is 100% nazi approved eugenics

cringe and retardpilled

seething

u mad?

Not me, I'm 100% on board with leftists killing their own children, same reason I'm on board with abortion. Never stop your enemy from killing themselves desu

trans people can reproduce though

Most cannot/will not. On the large scale, they are eliminating themselves from the gene pool.

Not when they transition prior to the maturation of their reproductive organs

lol nah