Why were the late '90s and 2000s such a terrible period for music?
>Boy bands
>Nu-Metal
>Latin Pop
>Teen Pop
>Pop Rap
>Post-Grunge
>Dancepop
>Shitty Contemporary R&B
>Shitty Pop "Country"
It'll be far too exhausting to name every solitary artist who defined this era, so I'll just indict most of the major artists.
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There was plenty of rock music happening during that time, whether you liked it or not is irrelevant. Lots of hit records.
>ska
>pop punk
>alt metal
>post grunge
>nu metal
>metalcore
>NWOAHM
>garage rock revival
>lots of big bands from the past coming back to success like Iron Maiden and Judas Priest
I don't know if you were a music fan at the time or going to shows or even turning on a rock radio station, but there was lots going on. Pic related is the only picture of Jack White I have, but you know multiple White Stripes songs...they're basically "classic", guess when those songs came out? Stop talking out of your ass.
It's the era where digital technology robbed popular music (the stuff you've listed) of its last shred of virtuosity. This doesn't necessarily mean the music is bad but it does make it feel more uninspired and (more) derivative.
This also coincided with a serious rise in what you could call music television such as MTV which really pushed the idea of 'image' to the forefront of popular music. That's not a trend which started in the 90s but it's a trend which was propagated. This is also the case today of course. "The medium is the message" - Marshall McLuhan, read his stuff if you're interested in how trends and zeitgeists tends to be products of technology rather than the results of something like dialectic processes.
There was a certain avant-garde reactionary trend (in the 60s i believe), the name eludes me, but the idea was that you really ought to not see the band or artist performing the music. They'd set up speakers on stages and such while keeping the performers hidden. Shockingly this trend didn't really gain much momentum. But my point is that with the advent of television the more eccentric people in music were pretty quick to identify which way the new winds were blowing.
I don't really agree with you though, OP. You're doing the typical sort of musical revisionism people are fond of doing. It's as if saying the slang of the 50s were terribly compared to the slang of today.
Because you didn't like the music from then.
pop culture suddenly changed in 1998
MTV went from being mainly about alternative rock, with even artists like Bjork having music videos in heavy rotation, to being about Boy Bands and Britney Christina.
In 1997 the typical MTV female artist was something like this
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in 1999 it was something like this
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Titanic also happened around that time. Basically, Pop culture became more low brow, optimistic, and more directed to teens than people in their 20s.
yes... because demographics for buying things shifted from gen x to millennials, record sales exploded to an all time high with tween pop and R&B, edgy rap, nu metal and pop punk, and the marketers knew it
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basically OP everything became oriented toward tweens
2000-2010 is when the last popular rock movement occurred. Go fuck yourself.
that is like saying that agonizing is better than the abyss of death.
they were better than these times, but they weren't good
Plenty of good shit came out, if you're not a hipster, and hipsters are never the true rock audience
1997 was also the last year the Simpsons was good, the last year bands like Soundgarden, Helmet & Faith No More existed and the last year Beavis and Butthead was on the air. Nowadays you have millennials in their 20s and early 30s claiming 1998 was the start of a golden era that lasted until 2003, when it used to be considered the start of the downfall in popular culture
When that change happened, so suddenly, it left a very strong impression on me. I was a kid, grew up with grunge and "alternative" rock, and pop culture changed suddenly in 1 year. I imagine in the 70s people must have felt the same when Disco became dominant in the late 70s.
Ever since, I don't know if cultural change is something that happens organically, or if it's a very top down phenomenon designed by businessmen, be it how music changes or fashion changes. Or even how stuff like gay marriage becomes acceptable when a few years before, most of the people who now support it were against it.
Rock recovered from Disco, but it never recovered from the late 90s. Nu Metal, the last popular manifestation of rock, was mixed with hip hop
Look dude, i know you are an autsitc retard who gets off on making weird threads over and over again about how rock is dead. But the 2000s has a lot of rock movements from pop punk to nu metal to garage rock revival, to indie to emo. And lots of diffrent and great rock albums that came out
So i suggest you delete this one then blow your brains out
That face you make when the ultra plebe bought into "kirk cocaine was the last dork star" myth
>Boy Bands
Hey, Backstreet is unironically based as fuck
Only people who didn't listen to nu-metal think it was inherently "rap metal"
That face you make when some dipshit got brainwshed into poptamism and thinks music only matters when its popular and doesnt know tame impala should be kissing uncle antons feet
cringe
rock deserved to die
Do u realize you are a plebe floating in space?
Do you realize the flaming lips were once good?
ahhh yes. the last resort of the rat
>HAHAHAH ROCK IS DEAD
>"heres a bunch of rock music
>"NO IT DOESNT COUNT, I DONT LIKE IT
Why I don’t get why the 2000s is hailed as a golden age for indie rock. Sure the Strokes were fairly popular, but post grunge dominated in the early 2000s and then the cringy fake emo scene popped up. And in hindsight all those post punk revival bands are considered dated and entry level
Hey guys, did you know after kurt cobain, rock music just stopped
huh?
i think you’re just proving OP right
Even Lenny Kravitz could see in the 90s that Rock was about to die
Basically the late 90s was the rise of the goth chads
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You missed it. You missed it. Now you think lil zoomer is good. You think that pile of shit on a plate is good. Because ITS MUH GENERASHUN
I think you just dont want to admit you are wrong so you are moving the goal post because you have some autistic hatred of rock
>all these assmad 35 year old boomers
the chart you posted had like 4 good albums... and literally what is your point anyway
00s was a good time for rock, fuck you. It was almost never traditional rock but it was still rock. If you're 555 I'm 666.
>hhahha rock is dead
"heres a bunch of albums bro
>these dont count because i personally dont like them
You fucking faggot. 1997 WAS THE FUCKING SECOND BEST YEAR IN 90S ROCK
YOU ABSOLUTE FUCKING RETARD
It's limp Bizkit fucked up your town and broke stuff...
>thinks 1997 was part of the millennial era of music rather than the gen x era just because it was late 90s
Imagine being this retarded
who are you quoting
I never implied that. Im calling you out for making some revonist history that no good rock music or any rock music came out in the late 90's and early 2000s
Nigger the late 90s and early 2000s were pure radiohead you fucking faggot. They fucking topped the charts with an IDM jazz art rock recored. Like to see any faggot do that today
no one is even saying that. also
>IDM jazz art rock recored
>posts idioteque
lol
Listen here faggot. You are 12 years old. Its the early 2000s. Everyone has flip phones. Its the birth of internet piracy. You r soundtrack is linken park, gorrlliaz, daft punk, radiohead, foo fighters and green day.
You are playing a flash game on newgrounds where you punch a celebrity
Maybe later you might watch toonamie
Where does Lateralus rank among the 2000s rock albums?
Late 90s had some good music especially alternative rock but 9/11 made the 00s a really bizarre period of America coping with what happened.
that doesn't speak well of that age, Radiohead, a band form the 90s that had music videos on MTV when alternative rock was mainstream, was the best band of the 2000s.
I even remember some talk show woman comlaining about how depressing songs like No Surprises were.
That is like saying that this decade is good because Fiona Apple, another 90s musician, released a great album in 2012.
This, the same happened somewhere in the middle of this decade, when zoomers entered the market, partially displacing millenials and now everything is hiphop/trap
I don't really see what's so horrible about rock dying. People talk about it like it's this horrible thing without saying why. Most rock music I like leaned on incorporating other genres. In and of itself I don't think rock was so great, so I don't understand the worshipful attitude of boomers and millennials (basically just boomers now) in regards to rock. For me the golden age was about 2004-2007 during the height of freak folk. For me the romanticism about rock just isn't there.
>post grunge
>implying grunge wasn't the beginning of the end
Still better than those fags who weren't even 10 when the 90s ended yet come on like they were graduating high school when Kurt killed himself
These people are mostly late 20s and early 30s
Could this image be more symbolic?
Everyone got old, young people got into different genres or created new genres. What contributed to the downfall of Bluegrass and Folk? Young people were into Rock'n'Roll through Elvis. Same fate for Jazz, Big Band and Swing.
Times change. Rock came about when TV became dominant, EDM came about as personal computers (and their electronic synthesizers within them) spread. Look at the state of the record industry today, it's completely adrift and with no clue for it's future. When I watched the Grammys the head of the RIAA came out and more or less begged people not to block ads on streaming services because it cost them money; that's the state things are in. Moreover, most of the award winners all got their start on YouTube, Justin Bieber himself is old news now and he was the OG YT star.
What's left for Rock? You either have fringe people like Varg or you have old men strumming the guitars they bought when Johnson or Nixon were President. It's just a different era, and people want different things.
I'd like to say a prayer and light a candle for Rock'n'Roll
>garage rock revival is bad
thats a yikes from me dawg
The fuck is a zoomer?
@88181758
Nice Youtube comment section copypaste.
2000-2010 was 11 years tho...
There was still mainstream rock up until 2009.
>unironically referencing or quoting Lenny Kravitz
>Ever since, I don't know if cultural change is something that happens organically, or if it's a very top down phenomenon designed by businessmen
Cultural trends happen organically but corporate America figures out how to capitalize on it.
>meme rap is "organic"
Yeah buddy, sure.
The people who understood how to make good pop music are dead or retired now. Nobody who's come to work in LA since 2005 or so knows what they're doing.
Trap came out of the 2000s Atlanta scene, but it's been completely corporatized and marketed by now.
How fucking new are you?
When user says rock is dead, he's probably the guy who posts on Queen Youtube comment sections.
>there are anons so literally new they don't get the boomer/zoomer meme
I meant more like soundcloud/mumble rap, which I guess is combined/descended from Lil B/Yung Lean and Chicago stuff like Chief Keef, I remember when nobody but a handful of internet people into vaporwave etc listened to that.
Zoomers are generation z, who were born in the new millenum or who have gen x parents. I'm a zoomer since I was born in 2001 and my parents are in their late 40s
>>>/facebook/
>Nowadays you have millennials in their 20s and early 30s claiming 1998 was the start of a golden era that lasted until 2003, when it used to be considered the start of the downfall in popular culture
Yeah that's true. I remember back then, people would rant on stuff like Rocket power, Pokemon, boy bands, etc. Early millennials (born mid 80s) said things like "They used to have good shows in the early 90s like Pete and pete and Xmen, and now in the late 90s it's just a bunch of GARBAGE like Rocket power and Pokemon" on forums.
But then mid-millennials (born late 80s-early 90s) started coming on the internet more and that once-hated stuff they grew up with like Pokemon and Rocket power become beloved and "old school".
I long for the days I could tell you UNDERAGE B&
Nobody likes Rocket Power except ironically.
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Then the cycle continued. Mid-late millennials ranted on late 00s-early 10s things like iCarly, Justin bieber, COD games, Bayformers, Johnny test, etc. and were like "What happened to the good shows like Courage the cowardly dog and Johnny bravo? Now it's just a bunch of crap like Chowder and flapjack."
Of course, years later, Zoomers started coming online more and posted nostalgia for the late 00s-early 10s things, once hated many years ago. The cycle will continue 10 years from now when people miss Jake paul and Fortnite.
>industrial rock at its best
>experimental music exploded
>indie rock at its best
>post-punk revival
>second wave deathrock basically perfected the genre
>pop artists started branching out of safe, sterile music more and we got stuff like the first two Gorillaz records
>metal was always going strong, grind proliferated worldwide
>filesharing gave everyone a way to grow their tastes for free
Truly the worst time to be alive
>Only people who didn't listen to nu-metal think it was inherently "rap metal"
True, it was just bad. That didn't make it rap metal.
Post punk revival was pure diarrhea pushed by magazines
>implying grunge wasn't the beginning of the end
Grunge self-immolated through drug addictions/suicides and then people like Corgan who was in control of rock music in 1996 simply deciding that rock was dead and career suiciding his band's popularity through the release of Adore and proclaiming electronic music the future. Even though he was probably right the Pumpkins should have changed that much over the course of a couple albums instead of one. He even admitted what a huge mistake it was later.
>I don't like thing, thing doesn't count!
Great point, user
Nice Twitter reply
it don't even matter what the dates were when it died
rock is dead just let it stay dead
shut up all those genres are misunderstood and unironically really based
based
2000s was about hiphop and R&B, that's all. personally i got really into electronic music during that time (house and downtempo). rock was stupid, just interpol and the strokes and the white stripes basically. electroclash was very fun for a minute.
late 90s had this album, so your opinion is invalid
>2000s hip-hop and R&B
we all know rock peaked in the 2000s
Jay Reatard absorbed all the goodness then died from a cocaine cold
ever since the 60s great music has become more and more obscure
Missy Elliott, Timbaland, 50 Cent, "Family Affair", Jay-Z, first few Kanye records, yeah, that's what was happening. i'm not saying it was better than the 90s, but it was the center of gravity for music.
Consumerism will be the death of civilization.
Not true, but okay
your opinion is wrong
Adore was a mistake, but he could have released an electronic inspired rock album and it would have sold a lot better
Adore should have been like this
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hey dude, way to go, you bumped the worst thread on moo instead of letting it die. You get a gold star
MTV wasn't really "alt" and "anti-mainstream" bro, it was literally just corporate appropriation of counter-culture. Or, as Anthrax put it, "packaged rebellion."
Goddamn, this really is symbolic. The end of the 90s in an image.
the album of that decade
This, 00s was only a bad decade for rock if your exposure to it came from critics and you think Animal Collective was as good as it got
Except almost all those genres suck.
>Ska
Fedora: the Genre
>Pop Punk
Fake Punk
>Nu-Metal
Some of it was okay, but much of it hasn't stood the test of time.
>Alt-Metal
Ditto.
>Post-Grunge
Absolute cancer. Nothing good ever came of it.
>Metalcore
Mid-to-late '90s Metalcore was kind of interesting (Earth Crisis, All Out War, Ringworm), but it all started to suck when they thought aping "Slaughter of the Soul" was the height of Metal.
>NWOAHM
Isn't that and Metalcore the same thing?
>Garage Rock Revival
Meh.
>lots of big bands from the past coming back to success like Iron Maiden and Judas Priest
I wouldn't call either of those bands ever returning to their glory days. "Jugulator" wasn't that bad an album despite the negative press, but everything Priest did including and after "Angel of Redemption" is boring. They'll never produce anything as masterful as "Stained Class" or "Defenders of the Faith".
Iron Maiden? "Brave New World" wasn't bad, but it wasn't even on the same tier as "Somewhere in Time" let alone "Powerslave" or "Piece of Mind". They then released that mediocre "Dance of Death". They did better than Priest, but still long past their glory days.
Not knowing what zoomer or any of these lazy variations of "boomer" means is a virtue