Let's discuss post-punk

I really really really hate post punk. I dislike it so much that I opened this thread and wrote this. But music is subjective, and I'm glad you guys are enjoying it. Have a good night

They're both good.
Bud joy division is way better.

Holy shit. I dismissed Siouxsie & The Banshees for a long time because I thought it was goth waifu faggotry, but this album fucking jams.

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The line between new wave and post-punk is pretty blurry, especially during the late 70s.

How do you pronounce Siouxsie?

soosy

Soosy and the banshees fuckin suck

fuck you

Like the name, Suzy. Her birth name is Susan. She just spells it like the Sioux indian tribe.

>coming from the guy who listens to goth waifu trash

gay post

>music is subjective
do you not understand what the word "music" means?
do you not understand that there's a massive difference between "music" and "enjoyment of music"?
are you retarded?

1. The Modern Dance
2. Y
3. Metal Box/ Second Edition
4. 154
5. The Raincoats

Syooksie

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Thats my favorite by them. None of their other albums sound like it. Closest would probably be Join Hands but a lot of the glam elements are stripped from that one and imho thats what makes The Scream so good. But their others are really good too. Join Hands is a lot darker and experimental but still pretty punkish. Kaleidoscope is like a dark new wave album, its much less guitar driven and much poppier but its still very atmospheric. Juju is their gothiest album. On A Kiss In The Dreamhouse and Hyaena they start going way more psychedelic. The rest of their discography is very 80s dance musicish and I'm not big into it.

I bought a random Flexidisk with a bunch of literally whos on it and this song was pretty neat.

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Beep beep! My personal favorite post-punk album coming through!

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Same based depressed bro

Post punk doesn't describe time though. It's music that takes parts of punk while not entirely being punk which is why post punk is so broad.

BASED. Strange Times and What Does Anything Mean? are also great. My favorite post punk along with Sad Lovers and Giants and The Cure. Here are some of my other favorites. I love that darker Gothic sound

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good shit

Pink Flag isn't post-punk

Pink flag more like pink "fag" hahahahaahahhaahaha

does anyone actually like joy division
shit feels really muddy and confused in comparison to more developed music in the same genre cluster
you don't need to pretend to enjoy something just because it's 'first' or 'historic'.

anyways, i've been listening to myths of the near future and silent alarm a lot lately, pretty nice albums :)

This is bait

It's post-punk in concept

I love them

I'm not a big fan of Unknown Pleasures. When someone recced me it, they told me to check out Disorder. I heard it and didn't like it. Thought post punk wasn't for me for a long time. Then I heard the rest of the album and it was okay. Disorder is by far the worst song on UP. But Siouxsie and other bands were better.

BASED

this, joy division fucking suck

cringe

White on white translucent black capes
Back on the rack

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hell yeah bro I haven't heard much of this but thank you for the chart

You don't have to like the Banshees, but they're probably the most influential post-punk band of all time. Music would be radically different without them. It's a crime that they don't get the credit they deserve, and are overshadowed by a crowd of teenage goth girl Siouxsie clones instead of people discussing their actual music.

Doesn't even make sense

Wire sucks

>Little Nemo
Based. Check out Mary Goes Round and Asylum Party.
youtu.be/bIqicdEGgDA
youtu.be/VeZtT8zBaZU

it's the sound of '77 punk rock distilled into its basic elements, in that sense it's the purest example of a post-punk album

>Siouxsie clones
She fucking hated this. That's why she cut her hair so short after Tinderbox. She said something along the lines of "I hate seeing rows of people all trying to look like me" or something like that.

ur mum sucks

unbased

would you call it experimental punk instead?
they didn't sound much like buzzcocks or ramones did

My fav classic post-punk album is by far Real Life by Magazine.

Post-punk is not only the music that came after punk that was rooted in traditional punk, you know? There are many genres for which you can't find such an incredible desire for experimentation as it was the case with post-punk.

It's kinda like avant-prog. Doesn't describe similar sounds but a movement.

Post Punk revival is the best thing to happen for music this century.

>Real Life
Such a great fucking album. It's almost like progressive punk. There are some really proggy elements.

I don't blame her. It must be weird to get up on stage, in every city, and see hundreds of people copying your hair, your clothes, your makeup, etc.

>My fav classic post-punk album is by far Real Life by Magazine
Same. Magazine was far better than Buzzcocks and PIL. My second favorite would have to be Marquee Moon. Marquee Moon has to be the best album of the 70s.

It's prog. Howard Devoto wanted to make art punk and art rock after leaving Buzzcocks.

why does it matter if something is from 1977, are you gay or something
positive disintegration came out this year and it was legit

are you idolizing the past in order to avoid the uncomfortable reality that you could have put out your own album by now if you were as 'punk' as the leading wave of 'post punk'?
obsessive typology and 'looking up' to washed out musicians is just a tool to distance yourself from the perspective of the artists you pretend you like.

Who started post-punk? Was it Pere Ubu with their 1975-1977 singles? Was it Devo as evidenced by their 1974-1977 archival compilation? Was it Public Image Ltd? Where those artists connected in any way? Where does No Wave fall into this? So many questions...

But again, most importantly, which recording started post-punk?

>they didn't sound much like buzzcocks or ramones did
Buzzcocks occasionally did the odd Can inspired track
youtube.com/watch?v=5F7pS9lARK4

Art punk is a better descriptor than experimental punk

PIL.

>mfw I just found out what Christine is about
I always thought the lyrics of this song were total nonsense and didn't mean anything, but it's actually sad as fuck. It's about a woman with an extreme case of split personality disorder, who apparently had 22 separate personalities living in her head.

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Half the tracks are basically straight up 77 punk. Are you trying to tell me that Mr. Suit doesn't sound like the Ramones and Mannequin doesn't sound like The Buzzcocks?

Post Punk> Classic Punk.

How do you feel about Devo and Pere Ubu playing post-punk before them in that case? Did they manage to influence PIL in any way?

It does have a few post-punk songs, but most of it is punk rock.

Post Punk was started by PIL. Their influences are unclear but they popularized the soundscape.

lol where in my post am I implying that? I was just explaining that Pink Flag, while not showcasing the "sound" that has become known as post-punk, is a true post-punk album in concept alone
>positive disintegration came out this year and it was legit
just googled that, ah yes that Diat album, I liked the previous one a bit better
If you've heard Diat then most likely you've also listened to the new Uranium Club, I liked that album quite a lot

John Lydon was into Can and Captain Beefheart, and tried to pitch ideas like that to the Sex Pistols, but they weren't having any of it.

Post-Punk is a retroactive term and kind of a shitty one at that. I'd definitely say Pere Ubu and DEVO were probably some of the earliest bands doing what we could call "post-punk." But you can find its seeds even earlier. You have The Velvet Underground and their approach to rock that was both experimental and minimalist. There's the proto-slacker jangle of The Modern Lovers, the funky and synthy glam of Roxy Music and Sparks, Brian Eno's solo career, even the jazz influence on Fun House. It all converged together into the experimental art-rock movement that grew adjacent to punk in the late-70s that we now dub post-punk.

But what about bands like Ultravox, Chrome, Soft Boys, Talking Heads, Magazine, DNA, Wire, Siouxsie, Gang of Four, Japan, and others that predated PIL?

Siouxsie And The Banshees (spelled "Suzie" at the time) played their version of The Lord's Prayer, mixed with Deutschland Uber Alles and Knocking On Heaven's Door in 1976 at the 100 Club punk special.
That could be considered the "first" performance by a post-punk band, but it sucked. None of them knew how to play their instruments. I'm pretty sure she made up her lyrics on the spot. It was more performance art than music.

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Unironically agree. Best blend of cerebral/primal

Modern post-punk is better than old post-punk with the exception of Joy Division and The Cure's early albums

Came to post this. So fucking pure

True. The environment, the riffs, the compositions. All make it much more interesting than Led Zeppelin or Guns N Roses.

I kinda agree. Iceage and Savages arey favorite bands right now. And their sound is so raw and unique. I love it.

>modern post-punk
>better than The Banshees
>better than Bauhaus
>better than Magazne
>better than Gang Of Four
>better than The Sound
>better than The Chameleons
>better than Talking Heads
>better than Jesus & Mary Chain
Get the fuck out.

Forgot Television.

gay

>talking heads
>post punk
no

Any bands/abums that mix post punk and noise rock?

I only listen to music by divine providence
thanks for the tip
literally who are these?
should anyone care?

>Television
Not post-punk.

>literally who are these
Some of the greatest and most important post-punk bands of all time, with the Banshees in particular being one of the most important bands in all of alternative music.

Yes it is. More tame than other bands but it is.

Not him but it's straight up rock music

It's as much post-punk as Metallica are blues. They are not.

no one ever knows about this band

youtu.be/gj8NXWkqcqI

Literally any early noise rock band lmao. Try Flipper or No Trend.

They're not post-punk, and they really don't even deserve to be lumped in with the punk scene at all. Playing at CBGB in the late 70s doesn't automatically make you a punk band.

How do i get youtube vids to embed

post-punk is for fags who don't have the balls to be new romantics or goths

Mobile poster here. It's embedded for me. I can watch it in the app just fine.

listen to unwound - fake train

Sow-cksy

have you considered the contradiction that being a historian of 'punk' is very anti-punk
processing a specific sound in terms of a canonical order instead of in terms of the literal music is how you get meme suggestions like joy division
now, on the other hand, if you were a pretty girl telling me i should really check out a specific individual artist, i would be much more inclined to believe you understand the genre :)

They were influenced by Krautrock and Dub

Joy Division were the pinnacle of post-punk

Change my mind, you'll almost get me with Metal Box or the Wire trilogy but I haven't been convinced once

mission of burma?

The fall is better

>Genres describe sound, not time.
This is why Post-Grunge is a retarded genre

Could it be possible that Pere Ubu influenced all post-punk bands, either directly or indirectly?

Devo

sure, but on the other hand, the more siouxsie clones, the better

Yea

the recent uranium club is actually pretty good
almost considering seeing them at comet ping pong (but imagine actually parking in DC)

Did you know that the been diagram of punk and post-punk is two separate circles?
Also post-punk is overrated, 80s noise rock was better

>been diagram
>punk and post-punk is two separate circles
Spoken like a true illiterate.

I would say, Television, they first recorded demos of the songs that would later make up Marquee Moon in 1974. But yeah like said post punk is kind of meaningless as a term.

I have only listened to what does anything mean? basically and loved it. How does this one compare?

Television did not play post-punk though, or at least it doesn't sound like anything from other post-punk bands. Pere Ubu does.

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It's way bleaker and depressing

wrong, modern post punk is actually better than old post-punk with the special exception of new order

I mean post punk doesn't really have a single unified sound. There are a lot of post punk bands that sound nothing like Pere Ubu. Television's music was extremely jazzy and progressive compared to other stuff in the 70's New York punk scene. The only thing that keeps them from being post punk is that they predated most punk bands. Of course Marquee Moon was released in 1977 when the NYC scene was already beginning to decline.

it has a main sound though

bonk bonk tchoom tchoom drums
reverby wangle wangle nasal guitars
dooodoooodooodooodoot bass
and foppy nonce vocals

>I mean post punk doesn't really have a single unified sound.
It does, imo. I mean, if you took all post-punk bands and arranged them using certain musical parameters, I would bet they would all cluster somewhere, with the exception of Television.

>There are a lot of post punk bands that sound nothing like Pere Ubu.
But they still share some characteristics.

>extremely jazzy and progressive
That's not how I would describe post-punk to be honest.

>The only thing that keeps them from being post punk is that they predated most punk bands.
Well, Devo predated them, and Pere Ubu were contemporaries.

that description is better than it should lol

Y'all need some Specimen in your life

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I'm a phoneposter you tshirtcore faggot
Spellchecking isn't worth my time in this shitty thread and my time is worth fucking nothing

specimen is neat

>I'm a phoneposter
>tshirtcore faggot
Said the redditor...

>exception of television
u wot m8

They sound nothing like other post-punk bands.

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SexBeat! SexBeat! SexBeat! SexBeat!

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Russian post-punk good
m.youtube.com/watch?v=ypknY6nIDe0

This is pretty awesome.

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this is new wave

For me, it's Orange Juice circa Rit it Up

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Best Soft Cell album

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agreed

This seems like it's a common sentiment on Yea Forums and I just can't understand it. Do you not feel the bittersweet melancholy of "Insight" or the desperation in "24 hours"? And it's not like free jazz or anything that would seem like an acquired taste

sauce

I really prefer post punk in foreign languages

Does anybody like The Glove?
They're not really post-punk, but they're post-punk related.

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