NAZI TRUMPS

lets habe some Interpol.

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Sorry, by (you) I was referring to Americans in general. I should have been cleared and not made assumptions about where you were from

STAY IN TOUCH, what a beautiful song title.

I like how Jello Biafra sang "Holiday IN Cambodia" which perfectly encapsulates modern day liberalism but seems to have now sided with them? Could someone explain this to me? Hiw could he have been so aware back then but succumb now?

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Please prove that the record black unemployment rate is and was a direct result of Trump’s policies, thanks.

>trump hating jews

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President Trump hasn't affected the decline in unemployment figures adversely ergo President Trump's policies have maintained a drop in unemployment.

Had the figures remained constant or increased then the above statement would not be true. How's my logic, I think that's a pass isn't it? Hi! How are you? Bloody nightmare we've been having this end.

Wow. Once upon a time I actually respected Jello. This is beyond cringe. Pathetic.

>Playing ethnicky jazz to parade your snazz on your five grand stereo
>Bragging that you know how the niggers feel cold and the slum’s got so much soul
Was this ever okay?

boomer punks fuck off

the DNC decided they'd rather lose to Trump than have Bernie as our President.

they've been using them there gosh danged coloreds as a vehicle to achieve their own white yuppie political goals for years and years. no accountability since they make their own rules. very cool

what a bunch of fags lmao

He's the most anti war president since Kennedy.

And they made the right call. Nobody wants Bernie "kill all whites" Sandberg in office.

BASED

well you see, the punk ideology got hijacked by corporate interests, who realized the could profit off the movement by selling certain idealized images of what a punk is, what they look like, how they should dress, what beliefs they had, etc. At one point in time being a punk wasn't much more than saying fuck the rules eat trash do shit on your own, a kind of quasi anarchic feel while still having a sense of community built on the idea of them as the outsiders.

as time went on, and punk became mainstream and accepted, the movement started to eat itself alive, because to be mainstream in the first place is a very punk ideal, it was founded and propelled initially as an outsider movement. but all of a sudden, big business were agreeing with them, stores were selling denim jackets covered in patches, it started getting played on the radio, record labels were singing bands and making profits off the sales of their records. gone were the days of DIY and autonomy, now the man was involved. much later this led to things like pop punk, love it or hate it or dont care it's mostly irrelevant other than to demonstrate just how deeply into the mainstream this culture and movement had gone, and thus had fragmented increasingly more and more, as people who believed in the original idealogy now found themselves not rebelling against the mainstream, but becoming the mainstream, the very thing they claimed to stand against.

how this relates to liberals
cont.

liberal ideals were a core part of the ethos of punk, it was a natural political stance to take when The Man, i.e., their parents/the government, were conservative. And for the longest time that held true, I mean all the way up until Bush's presidency was over, you could convince yourself that even though you were part of the corporate zeitgeist selling this movement as a product, you could console yourself with the idea that, well, atleast the evil corporations are on your side, so you must be doing something right?

but what they failed to realize, and still do, is that when you become the mainstream, so much so that your idealogy dominates the political discussion, you ARE the man. These days, it's inherently more punk to have conservative ideals, because you're quite literally at odds with the majority of the 1st world, the movie industry(minus DoD sponsored action flicks and such), the music industry, academia as a whole, now medicine, hell even fucking Nike and Nvidia, are out and about flaunting liberal ideology in the form of gender politics. Agree or disagree with those politics, it's not important, whats important is, agreeing with Nike, is not punk.

So, liberals all feel they are somehow still fighting the good fight, it's them against the world, the establishment, against all the odds, even though literally every capitalistic institution is nodding their heads and agreeing, while simultaneously slipping their hands into their wallets.

This is how you get millionaire "punk" musicians screaming fuck drumpf like it's a revolutionary idea.

cont?

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to be the mainstream in the first place ISN'T* a very punk ideal* my b

sorry my spelling/grammar is all fucked up and shit, I'm thinking about killing myself in a few hours and it's hard to focus. I can keep going if you want but I kinda feel like I'm talking in circles at this point. You guys get it. or don't care. either or

How the fuck was obama right wing

>conservatism is the new punk rock because of corporate marketing despite corporations actual actions running counter to those progressive ideals at every turn
fuck off

I hear you man.

>agreeing with Nike, is not punk.
punks love sweatshop labour

Justin Pearson's new side project put out a great FUCK TRUMP song, deal with it

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>>highest level of black employment under President Trump
But bot the highest labour force participation rate; it was higher between 1985 and 2010 (pic related, source: fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LNS11300006.)
Lower levels of unemployment do not necessarily entail more people in jobs, as it can point to a higher number of discouraged workers (someone who has given up searching for a job, but would prefer to be working) as unemployment rate only takes account of those who are actively looking for a job.
In addition, you can see that labour force participation rate rose between 2013 and 2017, and that rise has tailed off since then. This rise clearly began in 2013, before Trump was president, which suggests he had very little or nothing to do with that modest rise.

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capitalism as a whole is inherently right wing, socialism is as about as close to the right as you can get on the compass before becoming conservative. neoliberals as a whole, are relatively conservative.

go buy a fuck drumpf t shirt, I heard reebok had them on sale last. Or maybe hot topic? I know you can get patches there that say it. Maybe pick up some hair wax and some color for that sweet punk mohawk you got at the salon.

liberalism isn't punk in the year of our lord 3019-M, get over it. you're the authority now, orange man or not, try and make the most of it, it's not going to last. Espousing liberal ideas in the 80's would earn you scorn in derision, espousing conservative ideals in the 10's begets the same reaction. Punk is, and never was, inherently morally idealistic. In fact it was the complete opposite, founded on moral relativism, and the collective will being built upon an agreement of the whole achieved through unity among pure individuals.

you're the man now dog.

you too, can be this punk, for only a small fee of 20, to 22 burgers.

alternativetentacles.com/product/alternative-tentacles-nazi-trump-unisex-t-shirt/

>using progressive concerns to sell your shoes is progressive

Additionally, here are the unemployment rates. As can be seen, there is a sharp rise between 2008 and 2009, during the global financial crisis which was caused by a corrupt banking sector enabled by republican-led right-wing deregulation of the financial sector. As you can see, unemployment rate has been dropping ever since the financial crisis. Therefore, it is clearly seen that the dropping unemployment rate seen across much of the world is caused by recovery from the financial crisis - not Trump's policies.

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YOUTUBE GET OFF THE AIR

Black Employment was 100% during slavery

God I wish I had beaten the shit out of Mike Patton when I had the chance.

did he hurt your feelings, mr individual punk leftist?

>These days, it's inherently more punk to have conservative ideals, because you're quite literally at odds with the majority of the 1st world
Being a literal nazi in the 70s was more controversial than being a conservative today, that didn't and still doesn't make it any more punk you dumb trumptard.

>trump is the nazi
He's at least one of them

only thing cringier than a punk is an old punk.

you don't know what it means to be a punk, retard

>President Trump hasn't affected the decline in unemployment figures adversely ergo President Trump's policies have maintained a drop in unemployment

doesn't prove

>Please prove that the record black unemployment rate is and was a direct result of Trump’s policies, thanks.

You're saying he was there while the decline in unemployment continued, and that he allegedly didn't fuck anything up, but that's actually a different argument from saying his policies caused the decline in unemployment.

>Trump, the American corporate capitalist who vehemently supports Israel is a Nazi

Y'all don't even understand what National Socialism was for real.

Socialism as the final concept of duty, the ethical duty of work, not just for oneself but also for one’s fellow man’s sake, and above all the principle: Common good before own good, a struggle against all parasitism and especially against easy and unearned income. And we were aware that in this fight we can rely on no one but our own people. We are convinced that socialism in the right sense will only be possible in nations and races that are Aryan, and there in the first place we hope for our own people and are convinced that socialism is inseparable from nationalism.
"Why We Are Anti-Semites," August 15, 1920 speech in Munich at the Hofbräuhaus. Speech also known as "Why Are We Anti-Semites?" Translated from Vierteljahrshefte für Zeitgeschichte, 16. Jahrg., 4. H. (Oct., 1968), pp. 390-420. Edited by Carolyn Yeager.

In our movement the two extremes come together: the Communists from the Left and the officers and students from the Right. These two have always been the most active elements, and it was the greatest crime that they used to oppose each other in street fights… Our party has already succeeded in uniting these two utter extremes within the ranks of our storm troops. They will form the core of the great German liberation movement, in which all without distinction will stand together when the day comes to say: ‘The Nation arises, the storm is breaking!’
As quoted in Der Fuehrer: Hitler’s Rise to Power, Konrad Heiden, Boston, MA, Beacon Press, 1969, p. 147, first published 1944. Part of Hitler’s quote also cited in Totalitarianism: Part Three of The Origins of Totalitarianism, Hannah Arendt, A Harvest Book, 1985, footnote, p. 7

To put it quite clearly: we have an economic programme. Point No. 13 in that programme demands the nationalisation of all public companies, in other words socialisation, or what is known here as socialism. … the basic principle of my Party’s economic programme should be made perfectly clear and that is the principle of authority… the good of the community takes priority over that of the individual. But the State should retain control; every owner should feel himself to be an agent of the State; it is his duty not to misuse his possessions to the detriment of the State or the interests of his fellow countrymen. That is the overriding point. The Third Reich will always retain the right to control property owners. If you say that the bourgeoisie is tearing its hair over the question of private property, that does not affect me in the least. Does the bourgeoisie expect some consideration from me?… Today’s bourgeoisie is rotten to the core; it has no ideals any more; all it wants to do is earn money and so it does me what damage it can. The bourgeois press does me damage too and would like to consign me and my movement to the devil.

Hitler's interview with Richard Breiting, 1931, published in Edouard Calic, ed., “First Interview with Hitler, 4 May 1931,” Secret Conversations with Hitler: The Two Newly-Discovered 1931 Interviews, New York: John Day Co., 1971, pp. 31-33. Also published under the title Unmasked: Two Confidential Interviews with Hitler in 1931, published by Chatto & Windus in 1971

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and in the 70's, 80's, and 90's, there were indeed, literal and unironic Nazi punks, in far far greater numbers and with more visibility than the larping nazi fags on pol and at charlottesville or whatever. You could go to an average punk show in boston, and expect to see skinheads in boots with swastikas up the ass. in fact, it wasn't until punk starting becoming more mainstream that nazi punks WEREN'T an, if not accepted, atleast somewhat tolerated faction within the punk movement.

The fact of the matter is, punk is being against the establishment and for individual expression at all costs, and neoliberalism is about agreeing with the establishment, and silencing all opposing sides, the same way Mccarthyism and the red scare of the Cold War was a deliberate conservative movement intended to silence liberal thought by branding them communists, politically infertile and unworthy of a seat at the table. This shit moves in cycles you see.

Punk = fuck the establishment be you
neoliberalism = we are the establishment, agree with us, or be silenced.
punk =/= neoliberalism.

Nowhere did I ever state my own politics. All of this is objective fact. But you're the man, and you're trying to keep this discussion down, because it doesn't agree with your self view. Very not punk man.

So the far right's tenuous relationship with the truth extends all the way to the Nazis huh?
The word 'privatisation' was literally coined to describe the economic policy of the Nazis when they were actually in power:
>The Economist magazine introduced the term "privatization" (alternatively "privatisation" or "reprivatization" after the German Reprivatisierung) during the 1930s when it covered Nazi Germany's economic policy

>The Great Depression had spurred increased state ownership in most Western capitalist countries. This also took place in Germany during the last years of the Weimar Republic. But after the Nazis took power, industries were privatized en masse. Several banks, shipyards, railway lines, shipping lines, welfare organizations, and more were privatized... The Nazi government took the stance that enterprises should be in private hands wherever possible. State ownership was to be avoided unless it was absolutely necessary for rearmament or the war effort, and even in those cases “the Reich often insisted on the inclusion in the contract of an option clause according to which the private firm operating the plant was entitled to purchase it.” Companies privatized by the Nazis included the four major commercial banks in Germany... Also privatized were the Deutsche Reichsbahn (German Railways), at the time the largest single public enterprise in the world, the Vereinigte Stahlwerke A.G. (United Steelworks), the second largest joint-stock company in Germany (the largest was IG Farben) and Vereinigte Oberschlesische Hüttenwerke AG , a company controlling all of the metal production in the Upper Silesian coal and steel industry... The government also sold a number of shipbuilding companies, and enhanced private utilities at the expense of municipally owned utilities companies.

They were not socialists, despite how much they lied to the socialist working class in order to gain their support.

I expected better or Mike and Dave.

Lombardo's family was basically kicked out of Cuba

this is a music forum. we're talking about punk here guys can we please stay on topic

what the fuck mike

Trump is literally the most kike loving president ever American politics are so fucking gay and stupid

It was absolutely a socialist movement for Aryan german people

>Obama was right wing
How fucking far to the left are you people? What does your ideal world look like?

Yes, that's right. As Carl Marks himself said "Socialism is when you privatise state owned enterprises and government services en mass".

>The Nazis were hostile to the idea of social welfare in principle, upholding instead the Social Darwinist concept that the weak and feeble should perish.[73] They condemned the welfare system of the Weimar Republic as well as private charity, accusing them of supporting people regarded as racially inferior and weak, who should have been weeded out in the process of natural selection.

Ah yes, the old socialist principle of Social Darwinism. Once again, as Carl Marks himself said, "From each according to his ability, to each according to his place in the hierarchy of racial purity".

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Bernie was a cuckold that bent over for BLM protestors, he is a fraud

Hippie utopia

This. It's terrifying to think that Obama "wasn't left enough" for some people. We literally can't give these people any power ever. They'll destroy us.

Words have meaning you fucking nonce. Obama supported capitalism and the industrial military context, both right-wing projects. He was by definition right wing.

Obama was socially liberal, but right-wing; right and left -wing are economic labels. Not everything is identity politics, although that may be hard for you to understand since the entirety of the online right is based upon identity politics.

plz, plz, i agree, but this is a /pol/ talk this thread is about the impending evolution of punk in a time where it's political leanings being the central point of view is at odds with its anti authoritarian mindset plz

To be fair, Donald Trump is pretty fucking left-wing. We don't have a REAL right-wing candidate. I'm sure our ideas would scare them too, if they think Trump is "far-right" lmao