What jazz album would you play for someone who’s a classical elitist that says jazz can’t be art music?

What jazz album would you play for someone who’s a classical elitist that says jazz can’t be art music?

Hardmode: no third stream

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>or Time Out
It's not intuitive, but I think avant-garde and free jazz doesn't make sense until you're more familiar with jazz form and convention

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Good album, but hectic post bop would turn them off and generalize it as random noises. They might be more into classically influenced stuff like Bill Evans (or third stream)

Besides the obvious Bill Evans, Gil Evans, and Duke Ellington, I would also suggest the modern day combo of the three in Maria Schneider.

Stuff like Andrew Hill or Wayne Shorter with their own very specific composition patterns won't work unless the elitist is also used to the same for many post-modern atonal classical composers.

A classical elitest will reject everything, but I really like Eric Dolphy - Out to Lunch

Bill Evans is too one-note, Duke Ellington is big-band, a bastardization of classical, and Gil Evans is also big band.

You need to show them something in line with the standard trio-sextet, not exceptions

Mary Lou Williams and Charlie Parker.

Big band being so close to classical is exactly what makes it work. Especially when it's more classical sounding big band like Schneider rather than more pop song sounding big band.

But classical fags don't want music that's sort of like classical but not really. They want jazz in the typical jazz format as tasteful as classical.

You can't generalize for the crowd. I listen to more classical music than anything and my preference in jazz reflects that in more composed works being my favorites like Mingus' Black Saint or Schneider's stuff on Thompson Fields or a Wayne Shorter/Andrew Hill type but that stuff, based on the classical listeners I hang out with, tends to go over their head from an analytical perspective unless they are used to listening to newer classical where the same philosophy exists of wildly different composition systems that don't exist in a straightforward tonal context.