While every one of you fags is busy talking about the "Wewuzzing" going on with Pyramids and the ancient Kangz and shit, I see barely any talk regarding one of the biggest Wewuzz from their end on History.
The claim that all Rock (and its subsequent children) derives from Blues and that it wouldn't exist without n-words. So basically what they say is that the darkest Black Metal, the goriest of Death Metal, the heaviest of Doom Metal and the hardest of Rock all owe to Blues and Jazz.
Like are we seriously letting this slide and accepting it as true facts?
Stop listening to popular music, its melting your brain. If you aren't primarily listening to classical or traditional folk then you are the same as the people you think you dont like
Aaron Perry
>So basically what they say is that the darkest Black Metal, the goriest of Death Metal, the heaviest of Doom Metal and the hardest of Rock all owe to Blues and Jazz. That part is actually true. What’s not really true is that Africans single-handedly invented “the blues” magically and in a vacuum with no influence from Europeans.
David Morris
Get a job, sir.
Xavier Hill
They owe a minuscule amount. It would've been eventually "figured out" with or without them. For fuck's sake, Spanish people have been playing guitar since before any African laid eyes on one.
What the fuck are we talking about here? There were virtuosos before ships even brought a single slave into the States, what is this fucking madness?
Daniel Diaz
Backbeat, heavy syncopation, blues harmony, blue notes (melodically).
These became standardized in pop music due to the clash of European, Caribbean, and African cultures in the United States near the end of the 19th century.
Angel Taylor
Certainly not all of rock music is blues-inspired, but if more aggressive guitar-based blues is what led to rock, and more aggressive rock is what led to metal. Even looking at the first metal, hard rock, even noise rock acts, they were largely playing blues-influenced songs. We've become so far-removed from the origins of these genres of music that it's hard to believe that this could have just been a progression, but if you were to have chronological knowledge of all of the music that led up to this point in history it would probably seem very natural. Other cultures obviously added their own specific sounds to rock music, but this music can trace back large parts of its origin to the R&B of the 40s and 50s
Jace Price
>These became standardized in pop music due to the clash of European, Caribbean, and African cultures in the United States near the end of the 19th century.
>The absolute state of these Wewuzz animals
Connor Ross
Please I’m begging you, have sex
Adrian Hernandez
its well known to be careful with the blackwell otherwise you may end up dead in an alley and nooone knows your name youtu.be/gZXUSh4Gku4
Adrian Turner
Why don’t you go ahead and post some European music written before 1870 that has a defined backbeat, heavy syncopation, blues harmony, or blue notes, or better yet- some pieces that contain all of them the way that music from the U.S. in the early 20th century did
Adam Hernandez
Piedmont blues was always call and response
Zachary Butler
You wear your hair long As Jesus did They'll crucify you You're not part of the establishment youtu.be/626pNZB8xXE
>Patton (who was well educated by the standards of his time) spelled his name Charlie,[1] but many sources, including record labels and his gravestone, use the spelling Charley
Ayden Bailey
Already did, ask [spoiler]UR MUM[/spoiler].
Kevin Thomas
>blue notes Here we fucking go again.
See
Matthew Sanders
youtu.be/iyO9zjhZKNg you all know the difference between boogie woogie and stride?
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Jaxon Murphy
there is a surprising amount of people who seem to genuinely think almost all popular music comes from blues. even you (and that chart) seem to act like jazz came from blues and is some uniquely black creation when it basically derived right from marching band music and european classical and is very clearly a joint effort of all sorts of american immigrants black people and natives
James Baker
music is about dance and all of the solo acts are actually circle jerks youtu.be/Gs069dndIYk
Lucas Kelly
>Can't cope with the fact that European Folk has been a thing for eons >Can't cope with the fact that by the time any African saw a guitar there were already Spanish and Portuguese virtuosos playing it like no tomorrow, shit that would put Hendrix to and Berry to shame Big fucking yawn, son.
Cope, nigger.
Anthony Phillips
Still waiting for you to post some links to any of those things. Until then nobody cares about your meaningless posting.
Ian Price
>virtuosos Nobody’s saying Africans invented virtuosity you absolute berry. Go be retarded somewhere else.
Mason Wright
>Invent thing >Master it >Here comes Africans a few centuries later and touch it
>"ALL MUSIC COMES FROM HERE NOW!!!!"
Do you realise how retarded you sound?
Noah Nelson
Do you know the difference between guitar music and the blues?
Austin Thomas
So in summary: >19th century Spanish guitar virtuosos = metal >blues had no influence whatsoever on the evolution of rock or metal
Hell yeah lads, negros just picked a guitar up (this thing that had at that point existed for longer than they have been in the US) and created Jazz / Blues in a fucking vacuum, YEE FUCKING HAW.
>This is what wewuzzers believe in
Adrian Barnes
You're legitimately retarded or delusional if you don't think the main driver of the innovation of blues music was black people
Isaiah Hill
He’s obviously either a troll or a legitimate retard at this point. Might as well abandon this abortion of a thread.
Aaron Diaz
*aberration
Michael White
> Country -> Folk > Blues - Jazz please kill me
Joshua Brooks
Hell yeah, fucking Amen to that. These guys pick up this thing that's been a staple in European music for centuries and just retreat into their ghettos and invent Rock N' Roll and everything that is guitar music past that point is credited to these halfwits.
Nevermind the centuries of intricate and well composed European music, nah, not that. What REALLY matters is the twelve-bar blues shit, amirite fellas? What really made the difference is that genre of music that essentially sounds exactly the same not unlike Reggae and Hip-Hop, fuck yeah lads, THAT'S what created modern music!
Please the people paying for your transition and neck yourself.
Nicholas Clark
The chart is horribly wrong.
>Blues -> R&B Wrong. R&B evolved out of swing/jump blues (which evolved out of swing).
>Country + R&B = Rockabilly Wrong. Rockabilly evolved out of Rock & Roll.
>Doo Wop -> Funk Horribly wrong. Funk evolved out of Soul.
>Funk -> Disco Wrong again. Disco evolved out of Philly Soul.
>Disco -> Hip Hop Again. Deejay -> Hip Hop.
>Rap separate from Hip Hop Pure retardation.
>Doo-Wop -> Soul R&B -> Soul
>Soul -> Psychedelic Rock What the fuck is this shit. Garage Rock -> Psychedelic Rock.
>Brit Invasion -> Folk Rock No. They started at the same time at opposite sides of the globe.
>Folk Rock -> New Wave Pure bullshit. Punk Rock -> New Wave
>New Wave -> Grunge Bullshit again. Punk Rock -> Grunge
>Hard Rock -> Punk Garage Rock -> Punk.
>Heavy Metal -> Punk Wrong. Garage Rock -> Punk
>Jazz -- Blues Wrong. Classical Marches -> Jazz Afro-American Work Songs -> Blues
Cooper Edwards
> the darkest Black Metal, the goriest of Death Metal, the heaviest of Doom Metal and the hardest of Rock all owe to Blues and Jazz. None of those would exist without blues and jazz, yes, that's pretty much a fact.
Gavin Flores
I believe that's just the blackboard from School of Rock. Not saying that makes it any less wrong, but it was made by a Hollywood set designer not someone involved in music
Hunter Long
Yeah, I know that, but I still want to tear that flowchart apart.
Jason Gomez
>None of those would exist without blues and jazz, yes, that's pretty much a fact. See Neck yourself you fucking wewuzzing tripshit.
Camden Wood
Terrible bait. Go for something more subtle next time.
Charles Peterson
>B-BAIT!!! Have sex, loser.
Ian Gonzalez
>None of those would exist without blues and jazz This is quite literally a non-argument. You're citing a reality that doesn't exist, and we have no way of confirming if that would be the case.
Ryder Watson
He's a retarded incel tripshit, what'd you expect?
Jose Harris
True. We have no way to confirm metal could have existed without blues either, therefore we can only establish that the reality of the situation is that blues was involved in the development of metal.
Not an argument.
Thomas Johnson
Neither is yours, fucktard. >"B-B8!!" Not an argument. Have sex.
Jace Williams
Alright then.
>Metal comes from Baroque music Proof?
Logan Robinson
The fact that rock’n’roll (and consequently all other rock genres) developed from blues is blatantly obvious, if you’re not a retard. For God’s sake, it was even called “rhythm and blues” in its earlier days before the term “rock and roll” got traction. Moreover, if you had a tiniest amount of music theory knowledge, you would immediately see that most rock’n’roll riffs were composed using blues scales. Metal, punk, and other later sub-genres of rock music may not be directly linked to blues, but their common ancestor (rock and roll) is literally just 1940-1950s rhythm&blues
Jaxson Morales
>rock’n’roll developed from blues It didn't. It developed from jump-blues (aka swing blues), which is a swing sub-genre.
>it was even called “rhythm and blues” Yeah, as a marketing term.
Charles Mitchell
not even you crackheads agree with this wgaf about rock shit only hip hop matters
I've never seen a more bullshit flowchart in my life. Folk rock to new wave? Please.
Ryder Brooks
>(any recordings by) Elvis Presly >First rock and roll record Wrong. Here is the bridge from swing to rock & roll, recorded in 1947. youtube.com/watch?v=hTu6Hn0bn48 By the way, Elvis Presley was directly influenced by this guy.
Rock & Roll evolved out of Jump-Blues, not out of Blues.
Brandon Hill
that pic needs post punk
Jonathan Ross
I don't even know where to jump in with this thread but still feel compelled to post because as far as racebait threads go, it's pretty fucking good. Good job OP.
1. I don't know any actual "wewuzzers" irl. Does anyone really? This seems like meme/propaganda at this point, to accept that people walk around like this as an a priori position. Also if there is such a thing as a real life "wewuzzer", clearly this type of person doesn't largely care about music to begin with, so opinion disregarded from where I'm sitting.
2. Metal, of all stripes, has roots in blues only in that there's a guitar. Metal is from a choral/classical tradition.
3. There are blues and then there are blues. There's Chicago blues and New Orleans blues and Delta blues and Texas blues etc. Many of these forms are highly influenced by black people. But then there are also things that are clearly more from an Appalachian/Scottish tradition that can and should be rightly described as blues made by white people. I Wish My Baby Was Born, What Wondrous Love Is This, Lord Randall, In The Pines, Dolly Parton's Jolene. You get the idea. These are all beautiful songs and deeply part of the American blues tradition. And I say all of this as A PROUD BLACK MAN MAH MOTHERFUCKIN Yea Forums NIGGERS WHAT UP
Gavin Cooper
Imagine being this retarded
Parker Torres
You're not wrong but Rocket 88 came out in 51. Elvis wasn't first, he just hit the hardest.
Jace Young
>You're not wrong The original Rocket 88 is played in the style of jump-blues though...
Jack Adams
>I don't know any IRL so they must not exist Sir?
>Metal is from a choral/classical tradition Good lad, at least we agree on something.
Give me your name right now. Not full name, just your handle.
Jaxson Nguyen
Robert Walser stated that, alongside blues and R&B, the "assemblage of disparate musical styles known ... as 'classical music'" has been a major influence on heavy metal since the genre's earliest days. Also that metal's "most influential musicians have been guitar players who have also studied classical music. Their appropriation and adaptation of classical models sparked the development of a new kind of guitar virtuosity [and] changes in the harmonic and melodic language of heavy metal."[51]
In an article written for Grove Music Online, Walser stated that the "1980s brought on ... the widespread adaptation of chord progressions and virtuosic practices from 18th-century European models, especially Bach and Antonio Vivaldi, by influential guitarists such as Ritchie Blackmore, Marty Friedman, Jason Becker, Uli Jon Roth, Eddie Van Halen, Randy Rhoads and Yngwie Malmsteen".[52] Kurt Bachmann of Believer has stated that "If done correctly, metal and classical fit quite well together. Classical and metal are probably the two genres that have the most in common when it comes to feel, texture, creativity."[53]
Although a number of metal musicians cite classical composers as inspiration, classical and metal are rooted in different cultural traditions and practices—classical in the art music tradition, metal in the popular music tradition. As musicologists Nicolas Cook and Nicola Dibben note, "Analyses of popular music also sometimes reveal the influence of 'art traditions'. An example is Walser's linkage of heavy metal music with the ideologies and even some of the performance practices of nineteenth-century Romanticism. However, it would be clearly wrong to claim that traditions such as blues, rock, heavy metal, rap or dance music derive primarily from "art music'."[54]
I totally agree with you, mate. During the late 60s, rock music dropped the blues influence and went towards folk/ classical/ avant-garde. It was the best thing that could happen to rock music. The instruments are the only connection, but that doesn't mean negroes can claim the music is influenced by them. It could have been any European who took a guitar after listening to Wagner and felt inspired to create something.
