Listen to Luciano Berio's sequenza for violin and work out to that. Listen to Irvine Arditti's perfomance in that mode recording from 2006 with all of Berio's sequenzas + alternate sequenzas + the rest of his solo works. This is actually a terrible idea for starting to listen to classical music but it is also a terrible idea to want to get into classical music while you work out.
how so? it's rated highly by practically everyone.
Dominic Ward
The St.Matthew recording from the previous thread sucks balls. I'm listening to the "Kommt, ihr Töchter, helft Mir klagen" and I've almost fallen asleep. Recommend me a more imposing glorious transcendental recording
Osmo Vanska, David Zinman, Valery Gergiev... literally any recording is better than Berstein. That fucking kike modified the work to please himself in his interpretation
Carson Campbell
I love him he can do no wrong in my eyes. His Harvard lectures and young people's concerts are really sweet
Gavin Davis
what do we think of hilary hahn and her bach fetish
Jeremiah Martinez
that doesn't quit that his habit of rearranging and modifing works without any permission of the composers (alive, ofc) makes some of his recordings absolute trash
Jose Roberts
Hot
Elijah Hill
I want to paint his violin of white with my cum
Camden Carter
I don't like her style of playing, It's too sweet and too much vibrato for me. Her fanboys are the most annoying, don't dare to criticize her.
Charles Rodriguez
what do we think of tchaikovsky? am i a pleb for thinking he's good?
Jaxson Collins
I like his interpretation of Shostakovich first violin concerto. I agree with you on the vibrato thing
Jackson Moore
>his
Austin Kelly
>his
what am i missing here
Robert Foster
fucking goddamnit, I keep using his when it is her. FUCKING BONG LANGUAGE
Elijah King
Never forget that he was a flashy, depraved pervert who would regularly French kiss his own daughter
Dominic Turner
proofs?
Ian Moore
No worries. It is a mediocre language
Cooper Perry
Good girl, this year she made a recording of some obscure living spanish composer
>obsure He's actually one of the most known composers today in Spain. I have been in two concerts of him, interesting music but nothing incredibly original. I would say he's a neorromantic with some Stravinsky dissonant moments
Justin Taylor
I can't see that
Christopher Young
>a random jazz improvisation after a soviet march What the fuck did Schnittke meant by this
I don’t really know what to tell you, that’s what he was
Ayden Collins
i love her to death but those partitas were kinda meh
Benjamin Smith
guys I live in a shithole country and I can't get a piano teacher. how do i teach myself to become a good pianist?
Lincoln Nguyen
where do you live?
Levi Harris
You can never be good at the piano without a teacher. Just give up, trust me. You're bound to have very bad technique.
Michael Hill
>redditor shoo shoo, you have to go back
Julian Martinez
Somalia
Luke Scott
are you serious?
Alexander Torres
No way, are you serious?
Brandon Bennett
Yes
James Hill
how you got in touch with classical music?
Samuel Nguyen
dumb phoneposter
Gavin Robinson
The internet of course
Charles Ortiz
you should at least be able to learn the basic techniques up to chord inversions via youtube videos only, as well as your sight reading
from then on u're fucked without a teacher lmao
Nicholas Lopez
skype[1] lessons?
[1] or whatever the kids are using these says
Aaron Ross
discord you mean?
Michael Bell
petzold
Oliver Harris
how do I enter a concert without pay? the ticket is too expensive
Gavin Robinson
they usually don't check the tickets for the second half, but consider this, an orchestra of 100 professional musicians, usually one guest soloist, a conductor and more people behind this need to be payed.
Isaiah Fisher
Wow, this is one of the biggest circlejerks I've seen on Yea Forums. The more pretentious your opinion, the more valid it is.
Joshua Gray
yes but I don't have money
Matthew Cooper
youtu.be/MMDa0Ua_KrI Damn, this is good. What are some instrumental works that have this feeling? Some Belle Epoque stuff I guess.
Thomas Torres
Just go to church concerts
Carter Bell
At least prove where's the circlejerk. I'm not going to say that it never happened here but I find this thread pretty chill right now
Xavier Flores
I really like slow, ominous or otherwise dark-sounding waltzes. Can anyone rec me a few, or maybe point me to a good composer to that end?
I like the HIP Movement because they made a whole revival of early music and without them we wouldn't have recordings of obscure Baroque composers but this for example is fucking retarded en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/OVPP Or using boy sopranos for the Bach Cantatas is also fucking retarded Bach pushed for female sopranos in his day but the church didn't let him use them Bach was unironically pioneering diversity
Caleb Wilson
>Bach was unironically pioneering diversity wtf I hate Bach now
diversity means more than simply wanting women in the chor
Nolan Perry
/classical/ more like /bach/
Isaac Flores
>Bach pushed for female sopranos in his day but the church didn't let him use them Bach was unironically pioneering diversity How could you Bach? How could you?
Cameron Morris
not mad about it
Is Chacone the greatest violin partita ever written, lads?
It gives me wonders no matter how many times I listen to it
Depends on what you consider a "single" piece, or what you consider an organ piece to begin with. Arguably, some of the WTC pieces are better suited for organ than any other clavier instrument based on their texture and reliance on long, tied notes.
Anyways, if we exclude collections, this is a pretty solid contender and easily the most accomplished unambiguously organ prelude & fugue: youtu.be/kSRwG5Iu3FI
I play piano and have listened to most everything canon. Give me some deep cuts to inspire me to practice more. I’m working on the etudes and I’m having a hard time enjoying music atm
>As a possible conversation starter What is music, why do we like it, and why does it demand your life in exchange for its love? Music makes a promise to her suitors, that in exchange for their soul, she will give them the ability to make Real the phantoms of our imagination. Does she deliver? Or is it a joke, and the only thing you can bring out is something she put in there to begin with
>Taylor's career was destructive. Some time in late March 1750, during one of his European tours, Taylor operated on Bach's cataracts in Leipzig and reportedly blinded him. There is some evidence that Taylor operated on Handel in August 1758, in Tunbridge Wells, after which Handel's health deteriorated until his death in April 1759. In both cases Taylor claimed complete success.
lmao
Levi Martin
Imagine listening to Bach is 2019.
Cooper Gray
Fucking Gould. As much as I love some of his work, shit like this just really gets in the way
Why the fuck did he skip the repeats?
I want to and I often do. Right now I’m in a strange place musically. Perhaps for the first time now since I started I’m actually a musician. I can take what I hear in my head and bring it out. I can work and perform difficult pieces of repertoire. Yet there’s so much disparity in the sounds I have in my head. I thought it would be unified but when it comes to composing I have dozens of different genres floating around up here.
Music is stylistic, or idiomatic. There are techniques, both compositionally and instrumentally, that determine a particular sound or genre. Certain techniques combine to form what is discernible, as previously form, but now idiom, style, and genre.
You can’t just mix and match and get something coherent. And you can’t just imitate and get something honest. we lack the community the composers of old had. But our communites now are what? Pop, techno, and tongue in cheek faggot jazz?
Forming your own genre is almost a laughable endeavor. The luck required to appeal to an audience today.. you’d be stumbling around seeking a good combination and By happening upon some hodgepodge that speaks of something true today. Wew
I’m pointing to a disparity of musical style today as someone who started out with a passion for jazz and took a several years long detour through classical music ostensibly for technique but I of course fell in love with it. Coming to this new stage of my journey I’m looking around seeing not what I expected at all
Landon King
Kek
Carter Sanders
There's no reason to play repeats on records.
Dylan Walker
ure ggay
Dominic Young
The soul of the music is in the repeats why does everyone think they’re forgettable and should be played identically? The best teacher I had insisted I play prepared, varied repeats when performing during our lesson. All the others said to skip them and basically never mentioned and just do it Twice on stage. Gould can ornament, i don’t see why record performances must be so mild compared to live. I’ve heard this sentiment expressed a lot and it’s been around for as long as we’ve been recording. This is what Gould was trying to fuck with but to just omit half the music man
Yeah so it’s the liturgical performance practice cancer. It’s the equal temperament web of lies keeping you from accessing the world of Ideas and feeling what music can feel without drugs to enable your imagination to correct the intrinsic disharmony present in all music today
It’s ocmplicated user you won’t get it from any book. Without even touching the ocean that is technique or composition or anything related to the act of improvising. You need to know your chords and scales. There are 4 directions in which we can practice sequences. Ascending, Descending, and alternating asc/dsc and dsc/asc At minimum you need to know all maj/min keys and the networks of aug/dim chords and their relations to dominants and cadences. Practice arpeggios In the directions through 12 keys. Up c maj, down d min, up e min, etc. and In all intervals from seconds thru tenths. Learn a tune like the song is you. Torrent the Barry harris DVD’s and do all of that. Bach inventions c maj f maj d min a min bbmaj. A few fugues c min, d minbk2 Also do the Schoenberg harmony exercises in his textbook.
I should start Making YouTube videos I have answers to all this but it’s so Fucking complicated
I'm talking about improvising in classical style, not jazz
Tyler Cook
In that case you can stay ignorant of the geometry of harmony and proceed instead to the wonderful world of counterpoint before Mozart and then make sonatas with it. You’ll still need your scalar sequences though so but pratice more triads, ornaments, double notes, octaves, Alberti bass.
Google partimento studies Robert gjierdingen
And do all that shit. He has a good YouTube lecture and book on galant style which is when improvising was still a thing with the thorough basso continuo situation
Ian Anderson
If you wanna learn 18th century style the 18th-century way, I recommend looking into partimento exercises and the pedagogy built around Gjerdingen's research.
Basically, you learn stock voice-leadings over scale fragments and practice them over unfigured basses and other partial compositions.
Adam Murphy
Tfw the gjierdingen thing is becoming a thing
Gjierdingen is the best sounding name and he has that accent from Fargo it’s just too much
I lookeed up that and it looks like Bernstein tried to do that with fucking everyone. I have two questions then: does that make the daughter thing more creepy? And did he ever managed to do it with Gould?
Is Anton Dvorak worth it? Is he better/worse than/comparable to Brahms?
Carter Jenkins
You don’t need it for that no. But the system it’s gorgeous and you’re today so take it or leave it
Lincoln Ortiz
I like him. He's worse than Brahms though.
Anthony Taylor
His new world symphony is pretty majestic, though the fourth movement reminds me of Mulan for some reason
Aaron Price
>worse than Brahms i don't remember dvorak being such shit
Cameron Diaz
Yeah that's all I've listened to by him, and I was thinking of exploring his oeuvre, but I want to make sure it's worth it and he's not a one-hit-wonder, so to speak, before I spend a month listening to his stuff
Juan Rodriguez
Shit, just so I avoid them, what are he biggest one hit wonders?
that'd just invite a flood of "experimental" srs bsns popular music
Parker Baker
Listening to Baroque has greatly improved my social, financial, and sex life. After just 2 weeks of actively listening to it daily, I went from being a hopeless virgin to fucking multiple women daily. My penis has grown 4 inches and I’ve grown from 5’8” to 6’1”. I have almost doubled my muscle mass and I went from barely able to keep a stream of cum to being able to bust massive loads on women. Life is the greatest and I owe it all to Baroque.
>Why were the Nazis so good at everything? like what, other than uniforms and planes >Would the world be a utopia today if they had won? the world was never going to be an utopia
>as if they don't overlap constantly also just because it's neofolk doesn't mean it's in a folk style. What kind of folk is that? It certainly isn't scandinavian folk youtube.com/watch?v=HOaexx4OJXI
Daniel Sullivan
They didn't. Traditional Folk and Art Music are by definition contradictory. Given the band is Norwegian, I'd assume it's Norwegian folk. youtube.com/watch?v=FObf4MNdl6E
Liam Lopez
in absolute awe of the stupidity of this post
Kayden Walker
A very sound retort.
Joshua Moore
>neoclassical metal Anyone debating how appropriatly the term “classical” is used here is a pseud
>They didn't Even ignoring the fact that the western canon has its remote origins on folk music, as does all music, they did and have, almost constantly since the 18th century >by definition contradictory Expand on that. As things stand, nothing about their definition makes them mutually exclusive >I'd assume it's Norwegian folk Norwegian folk shares most of its musical elements with folk music from the rest of scandinavia, and as has been stated and proven twice (once by your very own link, even if that's contemporary neofolk and thus separate from proper folk forms), sounds nothing like the music linked here You have the big dumb and need to go asleep
Adrian Young
And what's wrong with that? This general is in need of becoming more lively.
Wyatt Cook
>metal where
Austin Lee
pls no
Matthew Foster
>what's wrong with that? It's out of topic. Might aswell go to the electronic music general and try to get people to discuss Segovia
Listen to this and then tell me those woah funny letters acoustic guitar players aren’t hugely influenced by it youtu.be/WM8bTdBs-cw
You like metal and prog. It’s ok
Jayden Scott
what's this post to do with anything
Brandon Rogers
Wtf they even censored classic music? The link it's no good. Those fucking pricks.
Brayden Long
it works on youtube. just can't watch it on other websites.
Xavier Roberts
Beethoven is not classical music.
Jordan Sanders
Traditional Folk is music made by people with no education in music, Western Art Music is made by people who are educated in it. The music the common people played and the music nobles gathered in their homes to play were completely different. Sacred music and secular music was completely different. They were always separate. Structurally, they're similar. If you can't see past timbre, that's your problem. I'll make it easier for you. youtube.com/watch?v=8k7ne8YMIIs
Ryan Kelly
>t. pseud
Ayden Harris
None of what you've said means shit in the face of the fact that folklore and academic music have overlapped time and time again, and aren't mutually exclusive as is readily demonstrable by listening to any composer who has used folk forms, something that's been happening since the days of Mozart Sr >Structurally, they're similar If you mean the Ulver link and the Okland one then you're the one who needs their ears checked
Aiden Cook
>If you can't see past timbre, that's your problem. >posts music that's completely different except timbrically what a laugh
Music, as the only artform with an explicitly dynamic nature, is movement and pause, life and death, creation and destruction - in its constant flux, it touches us so deeply because it doesn't in statics remind us of our conceptualisation, but in dynamics reminds us of our primal nature, that which cannot be categorised and intellectualised.
Zachary Williams
What painful, pompous bullshit is this. You sound like a fat nerd who would die of shame if you ever even considered dance.
Evan Butler
I'm ESL AND a fat nerd, so i wasn't dealt a good hand in contributing to this thread.
John Gonzalez
What is a category? How do we fill them? Do we make them too? Is perhaps our essence entirely of making and filling categories? Does music just happen to be something malleable in this categorical fashion and is it really just ourselves watching ourselves do ourselves that makes us feel so Satisfied?
Is it that big of a honk?
Jayden King
petzold
Parker Ward
My butt
Ryder Morris
pfitzner
Jeremiah Lee
That's what it should say on your business cards: Lester Fagmo: "I fuck butts and I fuck them to stay fucked."
Grayson Campbell
If you don't perform all repeats you're a cuck
Jayden Allen
O Hanlon go back to amazon
Oliver Garcia
What do you all think about the works of this ugly dude that aren't the canon?
You know what really bums me out about classic music? We'll never hear these songs as they were originally performed. Orchestras are basically just classic music cover bands.
>The Japanese idea of music has no resemblance to ours. Their scales are not based on a harmonic concept, or, if so, at least it is not ours. Friends of Eastern Asiatic music claim that this monodic music is capable of such variety as to express every nuance of human feeling.This may be true, but to the Western ear it sounds—ah—different. >I used to say that the composer must be able to look very far ahead,in the future of his music. It seems to me this is the masculine way of thinking: thinking at once of the whole future of the whole destiny of the idea and preparing before hand for every possible detail. This is the manner in which a man builds his house, organizes his affairs, and prepares for his wars. The other manner is the feminine manner which takes into account with good understanding the nearest consequences of a problem, but misses preparing for the more remote events. >Thomas Mann's Adrian Leverkiihn does not know the essentials of composing with twelve tones. All he knows has been told him by Mr. Adorno, who knows only the little I was able to tell my pupils.
You can't bloody compare Kafka and Bartok. Bartok was a composer of extremely pastiche and predictable music, whereas Kafka was a literary master of the sinister and mildly absurd.
Hudson Allen
This recording is best.
Sebastian Howard
MADONNA PAGANINI HA UN CAZZO ENORME PERCHÉ ERA ITALIANO
Owen Martinez
lmao
William Allen
Heifetz is better Mengelberg is good and all but I don't care for his big band Bach. The only recording I've liked of hers is that Schoenberg VC performance. Haydn's Op.76/No.4 HIP is good and bad. Sometimes they go too far and other times they don't go far enough. I am more than happy with much of the HIP movement insofar as baroque and renaissance music is concerned. When it comes to the classical era it tends to be more variable for me, and much of the romantic HIP efforts have been boring. Which is funny, because we have a lot of HARD evidence when it comes to romantic performance styles that everyone conveniently ignores and/or underplays. Yeah he owned that arrangement. IMO it depends on how fast you play it and what's being repeated. Levy's recording of the K310 comes to mind as something I wish took a repeat or two. Furt wasn't a Nazi.
