Schoenberg's Pierrot Lunaire and Herzgewächse. Debussy's Children's Corner, Deux Arabesques and Estampes.
Jack Lee
How's this for a "Mozart Essential" list? Violin concertos no 4 and 5 Piano sonatas 6-18 Symphonies 25-41 Serenades 10-13 Divertimenti for six winds Adagio and Fugue in C minor Sinfonia concertante K. 364 Piano concertos 9-27 Horn concertos Clarinet concerto in A major Clarinet quintet in A major Sonatas for piano and violin String quartets 14-23 String quintets Idomoneo Die Entführung aus dem Serail Le Nozze di Figaro Don Giovanni Così Fan Tutte Dia Zauberflöte Great Mass in C minor Requiem in D minor
Never listened to much classical, can someone give me some recs for some classical piano? I really like clair de lune and some chilly gonzales stuff like this
I like how there are parts of the song that border on being too sentimental for my taste only to subtle move in a different direction. Like at the 10 second mark it changes from sounding like its going to be too sentimental. I'm looking for stuff to listen to when I'm stoned too
Mozart - Fur Elise Bach - The planets Beethoven - Four seasons Wagner - Dark side of the moon
Nicholas Johnson
Has anyone else completely given up on contemporary music after getting into classical? I can't bring myself to listen to modern stuff anymore but I'm too attached to my 200 GBs of pirated files to delete it all.
You're welcome, I'm too busy to share much these days. But I'll deliver hot takes and old meme recordings if needed
David Wright
Gotta test you bro, what do you think of Karajan?
Owen Clark
Usually bad in stuff that requires rhythmic intuition beyond what is notated, generally everything before 1900; often good in stuff that is modern and toroughly notated and more about lush, hazy, textures like Sibelius, Honegger, Strauss, and, surprisingly, even Schoenberg (Op. 31)
William Russell
The sound quality on Zander's Mahler sounds quite opaque to my ears, which is surprising since isn't Telarc supposed to be known for their good sound quality?
Asher Hernandez
You must've not looked very hard, then.
Camden Sullivan
Pass. Good to see you here man, one of my favourite meme recordings that really got me into Mozart youtube.com/watch?v=D5FtNJ669w8
Isaiah Wood
I enjoy his commentary pieces that accompany the main disc.
Yeah, they're usually at least a little interesting. My only problem is like most conductors he tends to ignore or downplay 19th century styles of string playing. The only modern conductor that I've heard give it its proper dues is Chailly, and even then he goes, "Yeah, well, Mahler should be played like this, but it's a bit tasteless so..." Norrington weirdly enough acknowledges part of it (the comparatively less vibrato) while ignoring the other part (the portamento)
Lincoln Morris
Still the best fugal middle couplet in a piano concerto finale rondo. The transition is dynamic, the combination of the refrain and transitional motifs satisfying, and the transition from fugal back to concertante texture is handled equally brilliantly.
it never was 'released', but the closest i got was my french horn recital was in a big church and my teacher had a good recording set up
Landon Harris
Is it on youtube at least or something
Christian Reyes
A serious question for you patrician anons. Ligeti and Penderecki were alive to witness the usage of their pieces in Kubrick's meme films 2001 and The Shining. What did they, personally, make of this? Support/participate/hate it/indifferent but "sure, I'll collect the royalty checks anyway"? No, I'm not asking google, I'm asking you. Also the same question for Khachaturian, to a much lesser extent.
Jaxon Barnes
nope
Henry Reed
Patrician for the approach, but meh for the choice. Beethoven couldn't write for the voice, and the work is almost too dense, which in the end makes it not as interesting as his more intimate compositions. By the way, Missa solemnis would be better if it weren't so bombastic: sacred music in general benefits from intimacy, and Bach knew it. Beethoven has nothing on B minor Mass or Matthäus-Passion and the cantatas. You'll come around though - when I first went through Beethoven's oeuvre, I loved the Missa, but now I consider it almost caricatural. Some of the quartets and sonatas are more sacred than the mass.
Is there any recording of Mozart's "incomplete" C minor mass like there is for his Requiem (Spering's)? It seems like every recording is of some completion by someone
Are you gay and/or Jewish enough to be a good pianist?
Thanks to my Jewish dad and bisexuality, I am 3/4 pianist. Close, but not enough to be good. Where do you score, /classical/?
Joshua Butler
Can someone translate this
Benjamin Thomas
since when are fags good pianists
Asher Martin
1893
Charles Gonzalez
how do i get into classical? i assume it's like literature where you're told read this and that and they're very hard to understand when you start but as you get into the groove it becomes easy to slide into different artists, good place to start? i want to feel like a fancy european
Brody Martinez
start with the austrians
Jacob Martinez
well this will sound very noobish but how is classical music structured? for example i saw this
youtube.com/watch?v=wXmL55DwuaQ and it was epic but what is a (Etude Tableau Op. 39 No. 6), is that like the classical worlds version of being able to find a specific song?
Sebastian Anderson
>song *piece, but yes
Brody Collins
excuse my ignorance i do wish to use the proper terminology
Dominic Anderson
>How is [800+ years of increasingly heterogenous music coming to span the entire globe] structured?
That's a tall order. For earlier music, there tend to be stylistic boundaries according to time; then increasingly to place and then increasingly to the individual. You can either learn musical analysis yourself, or read up on specific pieces on wikipedia or academic sources. As for the etude tableaux, it signifies a technical exercise/virtuoso piece (etude, i.e. study) meant to convey a poetic image, the tableaux. The numbers signify opus - it's place in the composer's published works - and the number of the piece in that collection/opus. Some opera are single works, some are collections of pieces.
Thomas Fisher
Romantic period esp the russians is more damatic and catchy to the ear so probably start with that then go backwards to Classical with Mozart and Haydn and Baroque with Bach That's how a work is classified when it doesn't have a proper title. It's like "Artist - Album - Song" so for instance Beethoven's 135th piece (Opus)'s second movement would be called "String Quartet no. 16 in F Major, Op. 135 - II. Vivace" where "String Quartet" is the 'genre' per say, 'no. 16' is the number of a work in that specific 'gender', 'F Major' is the key, 'Op. 135' is the number of the piece in the composer's catalogue (which may or may not have been organized by the composer himself and may or may be actually representative of the real order he wrote his pieces in) "II" is the number of the movement within the piece and "Vivace" is the tempo marking, in this case, "lively = quick". It gets complicated sometimes especially with Haydn I think
Jaxon Peterson
>Romantic period does classical follow a progression at all like literature and visual arts? that is to say if i know what romantic poetry is like would i have a semi impression of romantic music? does this apply to things such as realism for example (or i know it does for baroque)
Samuel Gray
Favorite movements from beethoven sonatas? For me, its no31 mvmt 3 Hard mode: no op111
Personally, I think it's better to go by century and place than by the often artificial analogies made to visual and literary arts by early musicology.
"Sonata", "string quartet", etc. are a little like genres.
Joshua Morris
>Personally, I think it's better to go by century and place than by the often artificial analogies made to visual and literary arts by early musicology. sounds legit (unironically makes more sense)
Charles Carter
There's also a lot of overlap, and older styles may survive in particular institutions and places, etc.
Op. 106, IV, but only when played at the metronome marking and with the right amount of mistakes
I know deep down you regret creating the 12-tone technique Also you should have mastered the piano, your mother was a pianist for fuck's sake, and you were a fucking pianolet, you didn't even know how to properly write a piano concerto
I bet you think Kubrick is the best film director.
Justin Gray
Requiem, 1st and 4th symphonies, second piano concerto, violin concerto, Clarinet quintet, to name a few
Christopher Sanders
7 of the top 10 operas of all time in no order:
Parsifal Meistersinger Götterdämmerung Tristan Marriage of Figaro Don Giovanni Magic Flute
I leave 3 slots open for debate and personal opinions.
Andrew Martin
Me and my friend were getting along so well until he said he hates classical after I was heard listening to Rachmaninov. Now it's just not the same. Whyyyyy
John Johnson
No that's Masaki Kobayashi
Ethan Brown
Maybe he wasn’t really your friend, user
Dylan Carter
I have no strong opinions on that. I am not a film buff and consider it an inferior form of art compared to music.
I do have an ear and soul for music and there are no opera composers greater than Wagner and Mozart.
Levi Richardson
Don’t forget the horn trio either
Jackson Morris
Nah he still cool with me and he is a nice guy, but it's so hard finding classical lovers in my area that are nice to hang out with. The only one I know is this Asian guy I used to go to school with who was a massive snitch and a total dick so yeah.
Eli Richardson
That's great to hear man. Don't underistmate yourself. If you feel the power and beauty of Wagner's music you are no noob.
Oliver Martinez
I was only joking, but yeah it sucks there’s nobody to talk /classical/ with. Thankfully I’m going to conservatory soon
Grayson Davis
what should I do when a /classical/ cute looks at me in a concert?
hey classicalfags i have a question for people who think there patricians but aren't what classical music do they listen to?
Anthony Hughes
Feldman and Cage are the essentials for those people. They also like Schoenberg's string quartets, Bach's Matthew's passion (maybe The Well-Tempered Clavier), some Penderecki, Stockhausen and Webern; but all of those are not essential for them and on top of that they're actually quite good (except for Stockhausen).
Carter Perry
Wagner orchestral excerps (instead of the full operas) Beethoven but not the string quartets Schoenberg after he went atonal You will usually find these people on youtube comment sections
Gabriel Green
>Beethoven but not the string quartets Do people like that actually exist?
>Schoenberg after he went atonal Only if it's not channeling the most excessively late romantic execution you can imagine - it has to sound like Mahler condensed to twenty minutes.
Ethan Rogers
Talk to her after the concert/during the intermission.
So Bachfags, I was recommended, for recordings of the Mass in B minor, Harnoncourt's second one, Richter's for an older one, and Rilling's 2006 one. Any others worth checking out?
You probably have a kinetic/visual mind. Don't torture it with music :^)
Evan Garcia
Why do you guys talk about anyone other than Bach and Mozart
Jason Wilson
Étude no. 2 in A minor
Gavin Green
>poodle dudel
Nathaniel Perry
I'd add structure complexity too. For instance, start by comparing small pieces (i.e. songbooks for children or piano preludes) from different centuries, then small piano pieces from authors of the same century (insert Clementi vs Mozart meme), and move progressively to more complex structures like string quartets. That'd help your ear to appreciate harmony, counterpunct and motivic development. If you want to feel the power of the melody, violin and flute sonatas are the way to go. Chorale is another field you should cover, since it works with the most perfect instrument: the human voice.
Of course feel free to throw in any larger orchestral works just for the joy of it. Never forget to have fun :)
Where you at, baby boy? I was looking forward to this.
Daniel Evans
Not sure what other thread to post this is. I am getting a violin. I don't want to blow a load of money on in-person lessons. Are there any torrents out there for a violin course? I heard there was a udemy one but I cant find it. Feel free to ignore this post as I know it doesn't fit with this thread
Camden Torres
>Are there any torrents out there for a violin course God no, the violin is serious shit Get a teacher
Liam Bennett
Ive never seen a bigger circle jerk on Yea Forums, the more pretentious ur opinion, the more valid it is.
>talking to people nice try, international normalfaggotry
William Ramirez
Bro so true, how dare someone not like the string quartets0w0, must not have listened to them, such poor taste 3w3, and they xall themselfves a clasical fan? Pfft, if u dont like the quartets, ur WELCOME to leave
Ideally find yourself a teacher, but if u cant afford one, Youtube tutorials are fine, just not the shit weeaboo frozen cover bullshit tutorials. Learn correct posture first, then focus on sounding in tune. Posture is easily the most important thing when learning violin (cello in my case). Lots of old fashioned teachers are against tape, but if u dont have a good ear, put a thin line of tape at first position so you can always find it (google it and you'll see what im talking about). Find urself a good, high star lvl 1 song book on amazon and practice for an hour a day every day. Make sure u are super strict with posture tho, never get lazy with it
Thomas Sullivan
You can find tons of great posture tutorials on youtube, look for asian youtubers and/or older youtubers
You need to listen to more Mahler. It grows on you
Hunter Anderson
might as well pack up and go home
Isaiah Adams
yes especially the tenor and bass arias
Evan Martinez
Do I stress the Pa or the Chel in Pachelbel?
Isaac Sanchez
Finale, Sibelius or Dorico, my dear composer friends? Or maybe there's some other good option i'm not aware of.
Leo Nguyen
PAchelbel
Ian Martin
I use Musescore on my PC and this app called "Maestro" on my cellphone
Dylan Carter
Just another brainlet that probably can't even read sheet music and doesn't play an instrument; I don't expect normies like that to understand music when all they can do is mindlessly listen instead of active music-making and musically educating themselves.
Because reading competency is a virtually unavoidable skill, whereas musical competency is more rarely cultivated (unless you're East Asian, or, to lesser degree, Jewish).
Hunter Brooks
Oh. Yeah, that makes sense to me.
Zachary Russell
Also, music theory is incredibly insular - virtually no other art form has meta-languages that are 1) as complex and precise while 2) referring only to one domain of human activity. Seriously studying music teaches you a kind of abstract thinking and imagination that's akin to math (often it actually is) while also essentially a science of human expectation.
Isaac Martinez
I always thought that but for some reason what you mentioned in your previous post went right over my head for some reason, even if it is more obvious (I think).
Charles Anderson
It happens a lot, naturalizing (i.e. being unconscious of) basic aspects of culture is part of normal functioning. Don't feel bad.
