>"she's an industry plant" Aside from the fact that this has never been demonstrated, so what? The Beatles, Beach Boys, David Bowie, and Kate Bush were all industry plants. Does that take anything away from their musical abilities or achievements?
>"she was only signed because her parents have industry connections" Her parents are part-time actors whose biggest roles have been bit parts in films and TV shows. Any connections they have probably had no influence on why she was signed.
>"her brother writes and produces all her material" Almost all pop stars have ghostwriters and barely any of them produce. The fact it's only Billie and her brother writing and producing together should indicate they're miles ahead of her contemporaries and very authentic.
>"her label planned her image change in order to pander to hip hop fans" Billie is friends with several rappers and has said hip hop has a huge influence on her as an artist. Of course she's going to imitate the styles of artists she admires. Besides, it's not unusual for teens to take an interest in urban culture.
>"she's a terrible vocalist" Anyone who tells you this simply doesn't understand the female voice. Billie's singing is excellent and her timbre is extremely pleasant to listen to. Just because she doesn't belt or sing very high or low doesn't mean she's a bad vocalist.
>"she's fake deep and fake woke" Billie never claimed to be socially or politically conscious or "the voice of Gen Z." She's 17 for crying out loud. Since when do 17-year olds write about anything deeply profound or philosophical?
>"she has a Calvin Klein ad, that makes her a sellout" Again, she never claimed to be counter-cultural or anti-system so how would product endorsement deals make her a "sellout?"
>"her music is boring" If that's the case, why does she get universal acclaim as a singer-songwriter?
I don't post about her at all. I was just giving a reason for the others.
Benjamin Allen
>Revel With a Plan Goddamnit I hate her so much.
Isaiah Williams
you are making this thread again? listen, people's tastes are different, some of us like billie eilish, some of us don't i mean believe or not, some people think Nickelback is a great band.
as for me, some of B.E. songs are quite okay, she isn't TOTALLY bad (i mean, it's a young girl and i recognize her talent as song-writter and her vocals) while there are songs i wouldn't listen to more than once.
don't get me wrong, i'm sorry if the majority of us just really dislike the girl, she is young and has to learn quite a bit to become an actual amazing artist but these are just opinions, and this is actually the first time i have ever written anything about the girl.
but really, people do overhype about the girl well, a good example is Flea, as his daughter is a fan on Billie.
her lyrics do not express the deep meaning that people say it does. sometimes the creativity is there and sometimes it isn't (sHE's brOKen title is a garbage play of words and people thought it was some kind of revolutionary musical shit. it's not, face it.)
Wyatt Rodriguez
Bury a Friend was the most pretentious fake deep bullshit I've heard since mid-2000s emo.
This girl isn't anywhere close to depressed, it's just an image to market her easier (female XXXTentacion).
Parker Garcia
>releases a simple but professionally produced music video for a typical Lordewave song >signed to a major label known for relentlessly shilling their artists >inexplicably gains millions of instagram followers, passing famous artists like Travis Scott and Lil Pump in under a year despite having barely any released music and not having funny/goofy/memey content like Pump (only pictures of her decked out in branded clothing) >gets tons of media coverage in everything from music rags to mainstream news and internet shows like "Hot Ones" >claims to have grown up poor despite living in a wealthy neighborhood in LA >gets hyped as an artistic prodigy despite her only talent being doing vocals (doesn't write the lyrics or instrumentals, doesn't seem to do visual arts much either) >relentlessly clout chases the soundcloud/hip hop scene, going as far as to dressing up in dopey clothes with big european fashion brand logos all over them >acts tryhard edgy and pretends to be depressed >releases a mediocre Lordewave album with Lana sounding vocals and hip hop style production >media acts like it's a game changer when it's really just a contemporary pop album derivative of the same things many other pop albums are >plays up her friendship with xxxtentacion after he died despite having never met IRL >gets her own curated museum exhibit to promote the album >gets an endorsement deal with a major fashion brand a month after the album is released >despite all this she is marketed as an indie artist who totally just happened to make it after posting a song or two, taking spotlights away from actual indie artists who do not have a corporate backing forcing the mainstream media coverage glazed with a veneer of manufactured “authenticity”
>The Beatles, Beach Boys, David Bowie, and Kate Bush were all industry plants. All of them wrote and performed music before being signed. Billie did not.
You obviously have no clue what an industry plant is, if you believe this.
As far as industry plants go, Clairo is much less offensive than Shillie. Both of them are rich girls who LARP as underground, indie kids but at least Clairo isn't payola'd to the extent BE is.
Ryan Williams
>Billie did not She has been singing and songwriting since a young age
Clairo may be a shitty plant, but she obviously has a passion and wants to improve herself as an artist.
Jace Bennett
She's so ugly lmao
Ryder Myers
I doubt she was part of a local/underground scene at 14, or recorded a slew of demos before Interscope picked her up. And no, childhood talent shows with the children of other industry professionals don't count.
Connor Young
Well then there goes your "muh beach boys and kate bush aren't plants" statement
Ryder Cook
Kate had something like 100 demos recorded when she was signed. Shillie didn't.
Ian Reed
mate, here's the deal. some of us just don't like her music, that's all. and me and others in here hate everything associated with this girl because of fans like you, trying to make us swallow this piece of dog's liver down our throats, we don't like dog livers. I think people give way too much praise for this girl with little to no substance. yeah, she's a great vocalist, that I admit. but her song writing (or lack of it, since you said her brother ghostwrite her songs) just isn't that good. people think she's a masterful genius who's gonna flip the whole music industry upside down, when she's really only doing semi-sad songs for semi-sad teenagers whom don't really have anything to complain about. you can like it, you do you. just don't make us, mate
Lucas Martin
Apples to oranges. Back in the day you had to ship your demos around to get signed. Now all labels do is sign whomever is trending on SoundCloud, which is exactly what happened with Billie.
Ian Wood
You got a source on that?
Nicholas Harris
>she's a great vocalist, that I admit. Not really. Others on here have commented about how bad most of her live performances are. Even Clairo sounds better live.
Hunter Thompson
Gay
Carson Rivera
>>"her music is boring" >If that's the case, why does she get universal acclaim as a singer-songwriter? Jesus fucking christ, you know the labels pay for good reviews correct?
Elijah Hughes
Tits?
Parker Bennett
>Why all the hate? why does it upset you
Lincoln Davis
definitely more talented than Eilish by a couple nautical miles. does she have big milkers?
Christopher Walker
The arguments I keep seeing against Billie hold no weight when looked at critically. "Industry plant" is a meaningless term.
John White
Based. Saving this for the future Shillie thread when OP wants another deposit from his masters.
Robert Long
>didn't write her own music >lyrics are about shit she has never experienced or understands at all because someone else wrote them >seriously can't sing at all
Anthony Sullivan
>she never claimed to be... Even if she never explicitly claimed to be something, if her image heavily relies on the idea that she is, then your point doens't hold.
Justin Kelly
she’s a shit vocalist listen to Wuthering Heights retard. when is Billie on a cover Wuthering Heights to show how much of a “great vocalist” she really is? oh that’s right never because she fucking isn’t. slack jawed faggots
Lucas Hall
it has a clear as fuck meaning, she's totally manufactured
Adrian King
WH is not that hard to sing
Ayden Fisher
>>didn't write her own music She co-writes everything with her brother. That's miles ahead of any pop star who has a team of ghostwriters at their disposal.
>>lyrics are about shit she has never experienced or understands at all because someone else wrote them So she makes up stories. That's common among great singer-songwriters. In fact, being able to write a fictional story through music is a highly creative act.
>>seriously can't sing at all Explain.
There's no difference between Billie and Kate except Kate has a higher vocal range.
Colton Brooks
>Billie never claimed to be... So you can shout racist shit but as long as you never claim to be racist, you're not racist?
>never claim to be socially conscious >get attacked for being "fake socially conscious"
Do you not see the problem with this?
Matthew Miller
yes it is, holy shit. you sing it then you retarded faggot
Oliver Anderson
>There's no difference between Billie and Kate except Kate has a higher vocal range. Except for the fact that Kate Bush wrote her entire first album when she was 12 and wrote every single song on her own and produced every single song on her own well into her career.
You've got to be just baiting at this point or an actual paid shill because nobody can be this retarded.
And in case you're wondering, both of them are in their teens.
Aaron Bell
>there’s no difference between Billie and Kate except that Kate is an inherently more talented and obviously superior singer and is actually a legitimate musician and composer gee no difference at all yup. mouthbreathing retard
Joshua Bell
>tirelessly defending a corporate pop thot on Yea Forums
Camden Ramirez
>There's no difference between Billie and Kate Bush you make me sick
>wtf is this unironically I post this in lesbian discords when they need voice confirmation. Don't ask me why.
Jose Gutierrez
This is actually great.
Liam Gomez
See: Can you not hear how much stress Shillie is putting on her vocals to hit the high notes?
Leo Martinez
I get why people hate the idea of industry plants
But how is the way industry plants make music any different from the majority of popstars that for the most part 1. don't write their own music 2. don't decide what they do with their life 3. have a publicist that takes care of the majority of the things they openly share
I'm not saying the industry doesn't have any "REAL" talent, but a lot of amazing music has come from people who sell their songs to bigger stars
Jaxson Edwards
Personally I just don't understand why she gets credit for a sound that's been around for years.
Chase Rogers
In Shillie's case it has more to do with how her image is supposed to convey being DIY and "wise beyond her years" or some shit, which is why her being an industry plant makes people skeptical. Doesn't help she has so much good PR behind her promoting her as a legend in the making when she doesn't even write or produce anything on her own, and isn't a very impressive vocalist.
Tyler Wood
that and nepotism.
William Kelly
It's because she's a cute white girl. A lot of SoundCloud rappers have "made it" as teens too (Lil Pump was 17 when Gucci Gang became a meme hit) but putting a cute white girl face on an already-existing trend tames it and makes it friendly to suburban America.
If we accept her as a "SoundCloud rapper", Shillie is basically Elvis.
Luke Allen
>If we accept her as a "SoundCloud rapper", Shillie is basically Elvis. Even that's a bit of a stretch.
William Edwards
How?
Gavin Russell
Does it ever occur to you Billie is a huge fan of rap and copies their sound because SHE loves it for herself? Not everything is muh marketing muh label control. For fuck's sake all her label does is distribute. She has no marketing team behind her.
Dominic Fisher
you're retarded if you think middle class kids are not listening to Lil Pump or Lil whatever
Billie is a pop artist. stop overthinking this shit
Cameron Rivera
Of course, but Billie makes the scene "safe". Pump and other Lil ColoredDredsFaceTats weren't given anything close to the amount of good PR Billie has.
Jeremiah Bailey
she doesn't even copy their sound her music has nothing to do with hip-hop it's Lorde but with a soundcloud rap costume
Carter Powell
So she really was the bad guy. Woah.
Julian Taylor
>For fuck's sake all her label does is distribute. They wouldn't distribute shit unless they knew it was going to make them money. If Shillie was truly so cutting-edge Interscope wouldn't have signed her so quickly at such a young age, or poured tons of money into ensuring she had an audience.
Jack Roberts
>finding excuses for a literal garbage-tier artist
Saving the pasta as well. Deserves to be spammed in every Shillie to BTFO this dumb-looking hack.
And Dave Grohl fawningly comparing her to Nirvana does nothing but tarnish their legacy.
Colton Walker
Industry plant is a buzzword used by zoomers who know nothing about the music industry.
I also honestly do not understand how a generation who grew up in the most commercialized, lazily made, shittiest era of mainstream pop music who were small children when shit like fucking LMFAO, Katy Perry, 2010s Lil Wayne, post-Songs About Jane Maroon 5, the dozens of throwaway EDM artists and brag rappers that came out of the late 2000s, all the boybands formed by TV shows, artists like Beyonce with a team of at least 10 fucking people writing all their songs, etc. dominated the airwaves can be uppity about someone like Billie Eilish being a plant as if there's anything better on the radio.
Anthony Peterson
No one views Katy, Ari, or Taytay as anything but manufactured pop stars. A large part of Shillie's appeal is how she isn't seen as plastic.
Aaron Cox
>David Bowie was an industry plant Was he actually? I never expected that of him considering he hosted his own forum where he would flame and shitpost at people.
Hunter Anderson
He wasn't. OP is being facetious.
Carter Evans
Ah okay, that makes sense.
Oliver Peterson
What does that have to do with him not being a plant?
Dylan Stewart
One thing about her that is true is that she triggers the hell outta Yea Forums.
John Long
Bad optics/reputation, which isn't good if we're assuming the purpose is to make money. Unless you believe all publicity is good publicity, I guess.
Joshua Adams
>Billie never claimed to be socially or politically conscious or "the voice of Gen Z." >Since when do 17-year olds write about anything deeply profound or philosophical? >Again, she never claimed to be counter-cultural or anti-system
>sang the hook on a political Denzel Curry song which gave her loads of hip hop clout >has songs on her album lamenting teen drug culture and suicide >has made political tweets indicating she's a leftist >gets praised in the media for being deep and woke, propped up as a zoomer Joan Baez-type figure >songs also praised for feminist themes Hmmmm, yes. Why would anyone think this girl is LARPing as woke?
Billie had nothing of her own when she was signed. She and Clairo are the two most blatant plants in the past 10 years.
Isaiah Adams
katebushencyclopedia.com/demos This list doesn't involve a few demos of the same songs or released songs. You can listen to them on YouTube too.
>no difference One wrote a number one song overnight at 19, the other's biggest success comes from her track being memes. >can sing higher Not that having great range is the be all and end all of a musician's career, but it helps. Still the "produced and wrote all of her albums" part missing from Billie.
Alexander Sanchez
What would drive a grown (I assume) human being to make this thread over and over?
Nathaniel Morgan
the labels relentlesly post threads about pop artists in order to make them seen as if they are popular, if anything its free advertising from all of us but thats the nature of a board that talks about music "most" of the time. Either that or just to collect the Lulz from having us seethe that this garbage thread has to always exist.
I bet she would look good with her lips around my fat cock!! :^)
Matthew King
Honestly, some mentally ill waifufag with no redeemable traits and too much time on his hands spamming the same thread sounds more likely to methan a concentrated attempt to shill a tween pop starlet onto Yea Forums. At least right now. At the peak of her shilling just as her album dropped it was definitely fishy.
Elijah Richardson
>i recognize her talent as song-writter and her vocals lol
Samuel Edwards
She's a part of Gen Z, the generation that plays Fortnite and strums on ukuleles.
