What’s the first punk record?

I'd say Link Ray. This is from a 7" from 1959.
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The Beatles were basically a punk band while in Hamburg

That’s proto-punk.

That’s also proto-punk.

That’s proto-punk and garage rock.

All of those albums are proto-punk.

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>proto-punk
that's not a separate genre, it's just "punk before the term punk was around"

Here are the Sonics!!!, Black Monk Time, The Velvet Underground & Nico, White Light, White Heat, Kick out the James, The Stooges, Fun House, Raw Power, New York Dolls, Horses, and The Modern Lovers are all proto-punk.

that black rock band from the early 70s, death

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It’s a separate historical subgenre.

Punk is just a subgenre of rock anyway.

I don't see why Ramones aren't also classified as proto-punk, they had vestiges of bubblegum pop/girl group music (which "proper punk" usually doesn't) just like The Stooges had vestiges of garage rock.
the line is really arbitary.

I love that their greatest legacy was that they were black. I find that hilarious.

This is also proto-punk.

the "pre-genre" genre. "Hey Iggy what are you & your band 'Stooges' up to? "Just making some proto-punk man" "what's punk?" "dunno have to wait till the end of the 70s to find out"

“They had vestiges of bubblegum pop/girl group music (which "proper punk" usually doesn't)...”

Says who?

eh, just an easier descriptor to distinguish them from the chuck schuldiner death.

Of course it wasn’t called proto-punk at the time. But Fun House and Raw Power are just as much hard rock and garage rock as they are punk. They were definitely very ground-breaking and influential in the history of punk. The Stooges greatly assisted in the development of punk rock. There’s no denying that.

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why post this Melvins imitation?

>Ramones are proto-punk
Jesus I just woke up but you win dumbest post of the day by default

>all these dadrocker albums
lol

correct

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lol

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>posts edgy pop band

garage rock

lol no

The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars

punk was a movement more than a genre.

The actual punk movement started in 1974 'cuz that's the year the Ramones, Television, Talking Heads, Blondie, and The Electric Chairs formed, among others. This was the first LP, the first single was Patti Smith's cover of Hey Joe

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just for completion's sake

also, one caveat to what I said - Television formed in 74, but 3 of the members were already together as The Neon Boys in 73

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I also need to preemptively point out that anyone who objects to these and whines that they're "not punk, they're proto-punk" is literally fucking retarded.

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>The actual punk movement started in 1974 'cuz...

Also to clarify, the reason that's significant is because that's when those bands would've been playing at clubs like CBGB and Max's Kansas City to each other, and that's everything for defining what punk was when it started.

Excuse the quadruple posting.

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One last thing - as long as there's new, interesting stuff happening in the genre, saying it's somehow dead is meaningless and stupid

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In music, it's very hard to find the first of anything. The first rock song, for example. Much conventional wisdom has it as Bill Haley's Rock Around the Clock (1954), but there are worthy contenders dating back to the 40s. Same for the first disco song, the first surf rock song, the first folk rock song, and so on.

Punk is REALLY hard to pin down. Fair questions to ask are: What separates punk from hard rock? What separates punk or hard rock from heavy metal or grunge? Is much of the difference visual style rather than anything special in the music?

With all of that murkiness as preamble, you DID ask "What’s the first punk record?" "Record," not necessarily "album". I'll take a stab at both.

For first punk single, I'm picking a song that The Ramones covered -- and I think as a nod to its inherent punkiness: Surfin' Bird by The Trashmen. This song has all the punk elements -- pumping bass and drums, hypnotic but basic chord changes, a very amateurish, "garage" sound. Making this song most remarkable is it predates the arrival in America of The Beatles.

The Trashmen issued an album at the same time the single came out (1963), but the longplayer cannot be considered punk as there are just too many conventional, "pretty" songs on it.

If you want the first punk album, what about 1969's Kick Out The Jams by MC5? Otherwise, I think I gotta get into the 70s and look at material by the New York Dolls, The Runaways, The Dictators and The Ramones.

But in terms of the instrumental template? A single song? Surfin' Bird.

fpbp
Shut the fuck up about proto-punk retard

not a record but you know
1960
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If punk itself is not defined by sound but rather as an idea - to recapture the feel of rock n roll, than the first "punk" record would be an early rock record. something like bo diddley or link wray.

Music is defined by its sound though.

well, punk isn't music

I agree it’s true

Uhh... Yes it is.

If punk were purely music, there would be no difference between bands like Green Day who employ punk sounds and aesthetics and Buzzcocks who hold a certain (sorry for being pretentious) essence. This essence can be distinctly identified in very varied artists and sounds: from The Ramones and Sex Pistols to Television, Suicide, Depeche Mode, Sleaford Mods, Devo, The Fall, Nitzer Ebb, The Rolling Stones, Link Wray, Joy Division and New Order.
wow how gay am I for typing this

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For gods sake
Ramones and sex pistols are the only 2 punk bands on that list that i know of. Stop overcomplicating it, mayne.

Not the guy you're talking to, but I'm halfway. I'd say punk is more a movement than a sound, but a distinctive sound developed.

When punk started, I'd say it was really about the movement - Suicide, Blondie, Talking Heads, Television, and Ramones didn't have a whole lot in common musically, but they were all part of the movement. However, nowadays I think everybody knows punk when they hear it - the melodic, distorted, strummed guitars, the fast unrelenting (sometimes d-beat) drumming, the yelled ranting vocals. You hear it, and you can immediately distinguish youth crew from neocrust.

Green Day actually does fit punk, though, because they were part of a true underground DIY scene in San Francisco. It's just that they had a big anthemic pop sound.

nice.
well then this leaves us with two definitions, OP's question can have two types of answers.

The Ramones are proto punk