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is there rhythm?
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kind of
Yes.
More than one in fact.
stop posting
what am I looking at
that plugin is trash isn't it?
No, it's a mixing tool to make the master more transient.
what is this fucking ad in the op pic? Fuck you dude
Enjoy never making it.
i feel like not enough people have seen this
>More transient
>response unrelated
okay transient shapers exist dude
>'more transient'
>both examples in the ((ad)) have super clipped kick and snare drums
>autismspeaks
>>response unrelated
I mean "enjoy not taking advantage of superior software tools when they're presented to you, and therefore never making it".
>okay transient shapers exist dude
This isn't a transient shaper.
>he thinks he can predict how something sounds just by looking at the waveform
Boomer detected.
Saying "more transient" is like saying "more compressor" or "more modulate"
Exactly.
What's so hard to understand?
I realize the wording sucks but I think anybody here who knows what a transient is knows what he means
>not taking advantage of superior software tools
> isn't a transient shaper.
I'd have been a lot more inclined to give a fuck about this thing if you didn't post a literal picture meant to advertise it. On top of that you're doing a really shitty job of shilling this shit without explaining it and calling people names for pointing out how stupid you're being
>spoonfeed me please, I don't even know how simple plugins work
I know what a mastering suite is and what's included in one, you've already said it's not a transient shaper; you *haven't* said what makes this a "tool to make the master more transient" in a more favorable way than ozone etc. I don get why you're being such a dickhead about this
I don't give a shit if you don't want to use it dude, I'm not the developer.
it's just a metering solution with a decent gui. it's ok for what it does. but there are other solutions out there for lufs, M/S, lo end, etc monitoring. it doesn't do anything novel other than put it all into one place and give you some genre 'presets' as recommendations. you use it while you mix to check stuff
good to know shills don't work on commission :^)
jk. I still just find it really weird that you would use an ad as the op pic
>metering solution
lol what. Okay the interface looks cool/non-functional but I totally wasn't getting that based off the responses
>jk. I still just find it really weird that you would use an ad as the op pic
Well, that's the image I had.
>lol what. Okay the interface looks cool/non-functional but I totally wasn't getting that based off the responses
He's wrong it's not just a meter, but an effect with an analyzer in it.
bro it has a shitty true peak limiter that basically every limiter plug has standard now, it will mono/low pass the mix for you, and it does the izotope codec change analysis... calling it an 'effect with an analyzer' is pretty disingenuous
Whatever dude, it makes my master more transient and that's all I need to know.
I can't fucking take this anymore how do I get good how do I fucking mix I'll do anything at this point even binge fucking BusyWorksBeats videos if I have to I can't do this anymore I watch YouTube tutorials and for the most part everybody does everything the same exact way I do but the result is 1000 times better what AM I doing wrong whats the fucking difference it can't just be using free VSTs Ominsphere can't make that much of a difference but even my gay friend making EDM R&B uses fucking Omnishphere
fuck you
ok
What is this osclloscope plugin?
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why does this sound so cheesy
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>BusyWorksBeats videos
Watch Pensado's Place instead.
Thank you very much.
>Pensado's Place
I don't understand what any of this is supposed to be. Is it just discussions and interviews?
No, there's also a ton of tutorials.
I figured you guys would know best
What's a good cheap starter microphone? By cheap I mean like under 300 bucks
less is more, what needs to go?
(aware of shit quality and mix)
>whatever dude i ignore the technical aspects while mastering
LOL
based
sm57 duh
why. what would you be recording to and for what purpose? this is an odd request
Well depends what your main source is gonna be.
I mean if you’re trying to have a catch all, then buy 2 or 3 used SM57s.
Otherwise do some research into what best suits the source you’re recording.
If you’re recording guitar my secret advice would be a beyerdynamic m160. Amazing ribbon mic but you won’t get fucked over by a poor room.
Is you gay friend's music good? If so apprentice yourself to him.
Holy fuck it happened again, I got to like the 2:30 mark and thought to myself "dang this must be about to wrap up" and there was YET ANOTHER minute to go!
What the actual fuck is this shit?
It's not the type of stuff I listen to it but its good from a technical standpoint. But I don't know him IRL so I can't really apprentice myself to him.
Is this any better?
Is this the thing where you import a WAV file and it makes it more transient?
You can use Skype and have him mentor you online.
If you film yourself masturbating or something like that, he'll probably accept.
It worked for Sammy and now he has a new computer coming in the mail without having to sell his ass.
How's the production on this?
did he really it sounds possible
the cheese definitely comes from the scale, and how the instruments are interacting with each other. i can't say for sure but i get the feeling you're making your main melodies by clicking in notes just within the chord, not including the rest of the scale. try deviating from the scale and maybe messing with the timing so everything isn't so gridlocked. also try shifting the whole thing into another scale, that's always fun to check out even if it isn't better for it. i actually like this a lot as it is, except that buildup synth needs a little help.
if you want a straight answer, that string section synth or whatever in the background feels like clutter. i think it's also a very short-starting synth, so the actual impact of the sound (where it reaches max volume for each note) is a beat or two late. try getting a more precise string synth and it could work much better without seeming crowded.
what is do is decide what elements belong in the foreground or background, and i leave the foreground stuff a decent sized space for itself in the mix. the background stuff can get kind of lumped together and it almost gives you a wall of sound sort of thing. it's hard for me to tell exactly what's wrong with your track but i think overall it sounds kind of flat.
mine:
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i'm mostly done with this but i'm undecided on what should happen in the instrumental section after the second verse. i was working on a mandolin solo but it seemed out of place.
also how should i end this? and is it too repetitive at any point?
Is this Sammy
i've been using an MXL 770 to record basically every kind of instrument and it works great. not sure how it would handle brass yet but that's about all i haven't tried.
is me, all recorded with that mic
actually really good. i think the piano on the left side stands out a lot though. it's the only element that doesn't feel connected. maybe lessen the panning.
nope
Just got ableton 10 can someone give me some life hack tips?
multiband compressed or eq/compressed to hell honestly
sounds like you high shelfed your voice like crazy or a cheap mic or something too... idk what that is
i mean it doesn't sound terrible and the songs pretty good though so
>life hack tips?
read the manual lol
yes use a different daw
How can I make my mixes more transient?
I tried using EQ but it only makes my mixes more timbre.
Um no haters plz sweetie
how many tracks do u niggas make in a week?
I think I might just have to turn it down a bit. Do you mean the bouncy piano synth that comes in quiet around 0:44 and then goes full out around 0:56? Everything's pretty much sidechained to that (or, well, the underlying bass that follows it) so that might be the problem. Thanks for the fresh ears!
at least one everyday
my voice was pretty nasally on this track, and i had to compress it to give it enough power to cut through the beat, which only made it worse. So I cut out a bunch of mid freq on my vox, I think it honestly sounds a lot better this way -- as long as it's not distractingly bad then I'm probably going to leave it as it. Did you find the bouncy piano synth that comes in quiet around 0:44 and then goes full out around 0:56 distracting in the mix at all? Or did you think it fit well enough?
yeah that one. lowering it might do the job just as well
usually one, but it really comes down to if i have a day to sit down for like 6 hours and knock something out. most of the time i finish a whole song in one sitting with just minor adjustments to be made left. i find it harder to return and add a whole new part to something for some reason
Only when I feel like it
just banged this out. i dont usually do trap-style beats, so im looking for percussion tips, tricks, and nip-slips if yall got any :^)
>sweetie
kys
usually 3-5. Sometimes more never less. Usually straight trash half of them though. It's really more genre dependent though, like you can crank out hip-hop tracks pretty quickly but if it's fucking idm or some huge dance track it's going to be mediocre if you're that fast
mmmm my rule of thumb is that you should try cutting everything else first if you're having trouble cutting though.
i'll give it a more thorough listen in a bit if i don't forget
How does this sound as the dream world theme of a game? I'm trying to get an ostinato right to build some simple melody on top of it later. Please ignore the crackling, I promise I will buy the plugin later lol
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tip for everyone who wants to take a "creative break": don't take a break for longer than 4 months. I just wanted to start producing again after a half year break and I really fucking hate it and now I like other hobbys more (skateboarding
yeah that's only personal to you dude, not really a tip
i went two weeks a year and a half ago (extended road trip) and practically had a meltdown being away from it that long. Months sounds absurdly long
of course a two week break will make you want to produce even more, especially if you've been making music daily for years. but imagine if you really were stuck creatively and wanted to clear out your memory to start fresh again, taking a couple months of break is not that absurd and can actually help.
I haven't made shit in over a decade.
How much is it reasonable to expect to shit out on a weekend for someone who doesn't do this all the time but who can play instruments?
I might force myself to just sit down and work something out this weekend but I just know that I'll get discouraged with how little I get done.
>taking a couple months of break
the idea makes me anxious
and I HAVE been producing anxious for years. I've never taken a break like that after having started, fuck that man
a little every day is better than hours crammed into the weekend... for getting back into things at least.
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ur mix sounds like shit because you use a shitty chord progression. try 1 4 5 1 or anything else popular.
use ott on everything!
get sausage fattener,
use it on everything
I would love to work a little everyday but I get home, come here and shit post while I eat dinner for half an hour and then go to sleep to get ready for the next day of 11+ hours of sitting at my desk.
>sausage fattener
Why does everyone have this?
Can I get some opinions on which of these vocal takes is better?
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what do you commute for 4 hours a day or something? where the fuck is the rest of that time man? obviously nobody's telling you how to live but i'd imagine that time's going somewhere else and it's just a matter of priorities... and if you're really just working all day every day that fucking sucks man. Maybe just try to have prep work done before the weekend hits; samples ready to go, knowing exactly what kind of song you're going to make and what you should have done by when. Even if you split dedicated "writing" and experimenting for one weekend and then proper recording and mixing for the next, having one song fully done every two weeks or whatever isn't terrible if you haven't been productive recently
I spend an hour in the shower because the warm water is the closest feeling to human contact I ever get... and then the rest of the time I just lie in bed. Dreams are nice. I once dreamt a song and remembered it when I woke up but then forgot it five minutes later.
Thanks for the advice.
I'll make it a goal to sketch out a song using placeholder sounds this weekend.
>because the warm water is the closest feeling to human contact I ever get...
TOO FUCKIN REAL. if you've got the money I suggest a sex doll or body pillow :^)
get the fuck out of bed man that shit is terrible for depression, anything is better than that.
.... good luck though bro
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pretty done with this I guess
looks like a space sim from mid 2000s
figure out if you want a condenser or dynamic microphone and go from there. I have both and recently preferred the sound of the dynamic mic over the more expensive condenser.
I think dynamic mics have an edge on condensers since usually you aren't in optimally treated places and dynamics pickup less shitty untreated room tones.
honestly starter mic just get an sm57 or sm58 and use it on anything and everything you'll be fine. it'll force you to focus on learning how to EQ, compress, and gate properly.
Not really, just cut the last minute.
Also your kick sounds like heavy ass.
Kilohearts transient shaper on every instrument and the master.
Novation Launchkey 49 MK2 or M-Audio Oxygen MK9 49?
>be poorfag NEET producing casually with reaper
>audio interface came with a code for Cubase
Should I switch? Is it true some DAWs are bigger (viz. better) than others?
how much you guys charging for beats? Is $50 too high or too low?
People actually pay random people for their beats? I need to get into this business of ripping off wiggers
>Did you find the bouncy piano synth that comes in quiet around 0:44 and then goes full out around 0:56 distracting in the mix at all?
yeah actually.
The mix overall is... I wouldn't call it "muddy" but bottom heavy or scooped weirdly.
If i were mixing this song, for that piano thing in particular, I would end up highpassing really heavily, center, and lower it a lot to be a background element
... didn't i mix for you a while ago?
>M-Audio Oxygen
I have the mk3 and can personally attest that it is perfectly average.
If anything i'd pick that oxygen solely because it's newer, but either should be fine dude
>video unavailable
2 loopy 2 long. thought it was going to be a shoegaze banger man wtf
I thought 50 was average for a lease, definitely not too low
don't be one those guys who does like buy one get 4 free for 50 or whatever the fuck
... like i'm all for being affordable but dudes that do that are just devaluing beats
where do you guys sell your beats? i want in
Maybe I'm just cheesy, but I like the sounds and how the different elements and their notes are working off each other. :/
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Looking for feedback on this one. Trying to use digital peaking. Ending is rough, so any ideas for that would be cool.
>Noisy pop punk
>Jeff Rosenstock, Weezer, PUP, Neutral Milk Hotel, Clipping., etc
>I need to get into this business of ripping off wiggers
you really do.
>like i'm all for being affordable but dudes that do that are just devaluing beats
people actually do that? fuck that shit lmao what are they thinking. You're throwing money out the window at that point.
What do you think about this?
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I know the rules but I don't have any interest in self promotion. Video is almost a year old. Just wanted to share it because after a year, it still holds and I realized that I'm capable of doing something good, so follow your dreams.
>thought it was going to be a shoegaze banger man wtf
nah I was just testing to see if I could accurately rip off the to here knows when live sound using only minimal budget gear
>where do you guys sell your beats?
I don't actually i'm just ~~~informed~~~
traktrain and beatstars are the main ones i think
>what are they thinking.
honestly they're just playing a different game.
If you look at nick mira or whoever it was really just getting his name out there with the shit he was doing... i mean you get a lot of shit out there and one blows up you'll have a stepping stone to get to the next level and stop doing that shit at some point and be more selective
i'm a fan
NO SELF PROMOTION YOU STUPID FAGGOT
i'm into techno and don't care for this one... it's pretty good actually but the mix is just straight bad honestly, you should hold yourself to a higher standard.
don't do it again
Guys I'm basically fucked.
Everyone who makes dubstep is in the loudness war heavy and I try my hardest to get loud without over limiting but really I just can't figure it out.
i've tried high and low passing all channels and only bringing in what I need and that seems to have helped a bit but idk. can anyone give me some tips for this or maybe just tips to improve my mix prior to "mastering"? here's my stuff for reference
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いい画像ですよ
Makes me want to drop $50 on Radical Keys
also im trying to figure out mid/side compression and equalization as it seems to be a very useful tool in sound design if anyone has any tips with that. also roast me for posting a link because im retarded.
who is this?
>can anyone give me some tips
uh MAKE BETTER GROWLS
super loudness secret isn't hard limitting, it's clipping, idk why that isn't common knowledge honestly.
aside from that, saturation in addition to compression.... on everything. Lower everything that's not bass lol
delete your post no soundcloud faggot
tranny fucker
Study counterpoint.
DOING FEEDBACK
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Guys I have a massive question.
I am working on a Jungle EP, I used to work on Ableton Live, Cakewalk and recently got stung with the stupid Tracker Bee, so now I have switched to Renoise. The thing is I have discovered plenty of stuff with it, including modules. I have found a great mod with a dope break and a top notch pad, but I don't know if it's okay to use these pads and breaks I have found, it feels sort of uncomfortable. Is there a moral code among trackers users? Am I allowed to use these? I know back in the day, jungle producers sampled nearly everything (even each other) but I dunno, lemme check The Broble
BTW I got 'em here, pretty sure you might know this site.
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>modarchive.org
thanks for sharing even though i don't fuck with those (is it like a project file for trackers or something?)
What you're describing sounds like a similar question to what's okay to sample; imo a break is equivalent to using the same drum samples as somebody so long as you're not just looping it (a complete non issue), a pad is more like a preset imo. There's really no reason not to use them.
I mean, why else would the whole project be available right?...right? I've always been a moral fag when it comes to sampling and stuff. Breaks are all game m8, but once I get to talk about pads and stuff I sort of feel weird, I get to think ''oi this fella took his time to create his own pad and here I am fucking his shit up''... although sometimes it's not even THEIR original. I dunno.
And yes, it's like a project file for trackers, you can pretty much see the samples that were used to make the track.and the whole programming. It's pretty fun to see how it all works, it also helps you on getting a proper idea on how to make your stuff.
Basically sega genesis fm chip tracker music
i mean i'm telling there's no reason not to use their stuff but personally i don't touch presets at all on anything for the same reason
it's gotten to the point where i won't even use a drum sample or wavetable if it's "special" in some way. (like I couldn't easily recreate it if given the tools to do so) but then if it's *too* simple i have to make my own lol... various discrepancies occur but i make >90% of what I use in most projects. I am autistic and I encourage you not to be
idk man, pads especially are easy to make... don't feel bad for using it :)
How bout some singing on it.
The attack of the bass pattern vanishes at times breaking the flow because the line becomes mud
too late not to be autistic m8, autistic enough to use trackers in the >currentyear
The rigs are 100% worth it if you wait for them to be 50% off, they'll probably hit it this November.
Gib resource plz, preferably a real book.
Do I need to tell you the goat farm parabole again? As long as you make these samples fit your song and it's not the main idea, noone cares.
Thanks for the link.
>goat farm parabole again?
i hate that stupid reddit bullshit
it's not equally applicable to everything and it's just a lazy way to avoid actually thinking about artistic integrity
Well, it just gets the "using presets/samples" guilt thing out of the way. Nobody gives a shit where you found your sounds, all that matters is the songwriting, the aesthetic and so on (where artistic integrity actually matters).
>dubstep artist uses a preset growl he found in a vengance pack
>Deadmau5 just uses splice drum loops
>autechre released a song from somebody elses max patch
>ambient artist loops a drone from a sample pack
I get the sentiment but it's far oversimplified, even talking about presets there are examples where it wouldn't be acceptable
Hahaha imagine shilling a fancy SAUSAGE FATTENER this hard.
Building over other's people stuff is what artists do, they don't live in a vacuum, they use language, instruments, memes and so on and none of it was born in their minds.
Sometimes it bothers me a little to learn that some artist have been lazy when he made his songs (it's even worse when he made a shitload of money out of it), but at the end of the day, everyone lives with their own conscience.
Also, don't forget that not everyone want to be responsible of every tasks in the production process, some are just musician, songwriter, engineer, producer and so on. The songwriter compose and that's it, no sound design or anything.
>Jimmy Page stealing unknown blues songs he found in his record collection, giving them a top notch prod and calling it his own
>Marilyn Manson making composite songs out of other people's songs (see most of Mechanical Animals)
>countless electronic artists (like prodigy or death grips) finding obscure world music tapes and sampling the shit out of it
some people have no shame about it and go way further than just stealing a patch
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man, I love listening to those old tracker songs
>I dont know how to use basic compression to increase transient attack
>I stonewalled my track with a limiter and no all the transients are gone
Lemme guess.. FL studio users?
Well unless you were going for a "lo-fi" sound on the drums. The hi hats need to sound shiny-er, the snare drum isnt compressed enough, and the kick isnt deep enough- that's all just knowing the frequency ranges of each instrument and how to enhance them
>The songwriter compose and that's it, no sound design or anything.
okay your scope of what songwriting is is incredibly narrow; there are several genres where the sound design IS the music.
jimmy page was a faggot for it, manson was barely a "musician" and didn't claim to write that music
again, the sampling thing is genre dependent.
>the all new Chris Lord Alge vocal "air" for only $349!
>your scope of what songwriting is is incredibly narrow
for some, it's just that, you know, sitting in front of a piano, composing and leaving the rest to other people
>for some
that's literally the whole point: what you're talking about is only applicable to *some* musicians
Thoughts on this band? They need a singer but they sound a bit old school
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i like it but fuck you this isn't a soundcloud thread faggot
what I meant is that not everyone is a music handyman (that's a recent thing actually), some people are specialized and don't want to bother with tasks outside of their spectrum, so it's OK if they're not the originator of all aspects of their output (I won't give anymore example since you're a dick and you'll twist it in your favor)
Hi /prod/
Helping a friend write music for her punk band. How would you describe how to program this arpegiatted synth line that plays at 1:10 ?
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Thanks!!
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What programs do you guys use?
I want to make electronic, funk, house, edm. Im using LMMS but I feel kinda weird with it. Im a visual kind of person, so I need to see the music I make.
Also, is the Akai proffesional worth it?
Cubase is indeed better than Reaper, but check if it's the full version.
A gimped version of Cubase that's intended as a taster to attract customers might not be better than Reaper at all.
>(I won't give anymore example since you're a dick and you'll twist it in your favor)
i was being a dick because you're explaining something nobody disagreed with
every time somebody posts a spotify link it reminds me i'm removed from society thanks :(
sup /prod/, thinking of mixing/mastering and putting some finishing touches on this bitch then releasing it so i wont have to deal with it anymore. been messing about with it for wayy too long and never being really happy with it but i think its time to let go.
any feedback or tips before i put it out of its misery?
it sounds like im in a long tunnel and people on the other side of the tunnel are listening to music
cant seem to get the real proper short 808 sound that they use in all the trendy raps bros
Yeah, i know. Been listening to too much shoegaze recently, even my thoughts are drenched in reverb nowadays. Maybe it doesnt work that well in breakbeat, but i kinda like the sound it has
dis good
it's called stubby 808s m8
make your own lol
>it's called stubby 808s m8
>make your own lol
that doesnt help at all m8 nobody seems to call them stubby 808 on the internet according to the google search
Id say shorten it, add more progression. You seem to jump the gun on the meaty good parts. Tease the listener so when you hit those "choruses" it feels earned.
Counterpoint in Composition
but dey stub
use a saw wave. low pass some resonant and u be good ezpz. 808s r ezpz
nice retro meme bro
Is there a good basic text guide or infographic on getting started with ableton? It makes more sense for me to read and experiment for myself than to try to follow along to video tutorials.
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What is the percussion instrument at 2:43, 2:45, 2:48, and 2:51? Where can I find a sample?
> shady 7z file
just gimme the title of whatever you posted
You're welcome user, there's no need to thank me so much.
Sounds like some sort of woodblock playing two different notes in rapid succession with some reverb on it.
>woodblock
I will check this out. Thanks!
Look up tutorials for the "Jack U Snare" from drop on their song Take U There*.
It sounds similar, so if you learn that sound you can just switch the samples/instruments and you'll be able to make your own version of that sound.
*It doesn't even sound like a snare, so don't get confused when you don't find a snare in the song.
no it would be the gimped version le or ai he should stay reaper or pirate cubase 5 team air
Or he can pirate someone's wallet on the subway and buy the full version of Cubase, so he doesn't have to settle.
Or just torrent Ableton like everyone else.
i have both and paid for them im just reccomending he dont use the gimp cubase
I'm not criticizing you, I'm just joking.
i want Reason, lads
Bought it the other day on sale.
Doesn't sound good at all, you're not missing much.
>87931019
hey i posted this last night and still got no responses :(
Anyone?
Thanks!
Lol this is pleb level shit. Did it not occur to you to add more sausages?
Did it not occur to you that the sausage fattener can be a very powerful effect if used correctly?
Did it not occur to you that meme arrows.... something something too lazy to make up a joke
Yes it did, but it was too late.
I think the second is easier to listen to than the first, but I don't like either of them.
I don't know how to market this at all, made a whole tape like this
Any and all advise appreciated
spectrum-hop
>Sweden yes!
Oh hey I was wondering if you bought Parsec/what you thought of it. I forgot to mention that as far as additive goes the most autistic synth is Spectra.
The major criticisms of Parsec I've seen are that it doesn't really let the user play with any partials directly and that Europa is pretty much Parsec 3.
Personally I think the more streamlined (read smallbrained) workflow of Parsec is better for my tastes, and having an audio in on the back makes me imagine all kinds of retardo effect chains, but Spectra is $20 cheaper and can resynthesize any waveform you want to load in.
Rap on my beat yal
Looks interesting, but no, I haven't bought it.
>if I kill my landlord I won't have to pay rent
That's not how it works dude.
The property will just move to a new owner who can decide to evict you (or to not renew the contract) or raise your rent in some cases.
Best case scenario you keep paying the same.
Worst case scenario you get fucked.
You won't be able to live rent free, unless he put you as the beneficiary of the house in his will.
So my feedback yould be to change your lyrics to something that's not completely unrealistic.
where the hell can I find some really obscure sample libraries? the older the better. i’m trying to make some ritual dark ambient, but I’m really struggling to find some decent quality samples
Virgin subtractive synthesis vs. Chad additive synthesis
Meme of the day
ah yes, like Har- "takes 1000 hours to render low-passed saw waves" -mor
That's why it's Chad.
A Virgin like you can't handle it.
I just read Messiaen book on his musical language and I found the idea of identifying certain aspects that recur in your compositions to create a comprehensive framework (or "language") to be very appealing. Have you guys ever thought of this in terms of production?
Of course, everyone has their favorite synth or whatever, but I'd be interested in creating kind of a metaphysical approach to production. For instance, you like the typical subtractive synthesis stuff. The foundation of this type of synthesis attenuating the harmonics of rich waves with a filter. But how this approach could translate to composition aspects? Maybe starting with extended chords and working towards simpler harmony (or the opposite), kind of like imitating a filter sweep. Or it could be simply an approach of starting with lots of complexity in composition then refining it (I think it was Debussy that said he started with every sound then removed the ones he did not like. Then how this could be tied to thematic aspects? If you like to use multiple types of synthesis, how they related on this level, how they relate on this conceptual level? And so on.
It is fun to think like this, but it isn't easy to actually put this in practice and actually make something good with it. But I've been thinking a lot lately on taking out stuff from my production workflow to better reflect my ideals (even if they are technically handy tools).
>the idea of identifying certain aspects that recur in your compositions to create a comprehensive framework (or "language")
I'm not sure I understand what this means (even with the rest of your post).
Could you please elaborate?
You're forgetting that I could kill each subsequent landlord
Fuck you're right, I hadn't thought about that.
Carry on then, the song is literally perfect.
goddamn this shit fucking SLAPS
Thank you sir. Any clue where I would take this song to get some progress? Digitally or in real life. I live in Arizona.
I mixed it with Rough Rider, and I am ANGRY.
I'd say take it to the Grand Canyon, thet's a pretty cool place.
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Can someone critique this mix?
I feel like the vocals sound off at first but are fine once the song picks up
can handle your mom pretty well tho
My mom's pretty easy to handle though.
Not really remarakable.
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Everyone has a language of their own that is developed instinctively over time. Usually, artists start by ripping off other people they like until they can recognize what is his "voice". For instance, I started using pretty much only minor scales with lots of accidentals some time and noticed it later. I adopted this element of composition unconsciously and then recognized it. The same thing goes for instrumentation, there are certain synths or effects that I always use because I like them, so they are part of my "language". The thing is, this language was built with a "top down" approach, I experimented a lot to see what would stick.
What I'm thinking about now, is building a synthetic but better-structured language. Instead of thinking "I will make a sad song using a minor key, a mellow piano patch on Serum, lots of reverb" and so on, I will start from the conceptual framework of this language and build up from there. For instance, I will work with an additive synth and make a patch emphasizing certain harmonics, then I will use a bunch of resonant filters to emphasize those harmonics even more and my composition will be based on the notes equivalent to those harmonics. I want to experiment with these pre-conceived systems to extract their meaning in a musical way.
But I don't want to work with arbitrary rulesets like some serial composers. Arvo Part derived his tintinnabulum language based on chanting, bells and shit. It is very strictly defined, but it also comes from a place of particular experiences from his life. What I want is to come up with something similar, interweaving production and composition in this kind of synthetic but personal framework. My closest experience to that is working with granular synthesis to explore decay and fragmentation (you can clearly see the relation between the concept of granular synthesis and these themes). I wavetable patch may sound good on a sad song, but what one thing has to do conceptually with the other?
can't remember if i've posted this before sorry if i have and haven't changed it since
is this a good start for a "fast-paced but still kinda chill" vibe?
gonna add more variation to some of the melodically repetitive parts, they're just kinda placeholder ideas.
how does the production and mixing sound on this?
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>attempt at experimental
>glassy synth
>instaud.io
i don't think my headphones can make the bass? it feels like there's silence trying to overpower everything, i know that makes no sense, but it's all i got dude sorry lol.
I used to do this a lot.
I'd sit down and think of a characteristic of something (say, an instrument, or a sound design technique), and think of the core elements that characterize it, then I'd find other things that share one or more of those elements, and make a song out of them.
The end result would have a particular kind of cohesion and I guess a "theme" (even if often it wouldn't be immediately apparent).
It got a lot more fun when I started learning more about sound design and how things worked on a deeper level, so I could find these "hidden mechanics" of sounds that allowed me to match and relate things in more interesting ways.
To make an example that ties with your granular synthesis thing, you could relate anything with a timing (the grain rate and the decay for example) with anything that has a pitch, by calculating the period of the waveform in ms and matching it (either 1:1 or in some kind of ratio) with the timing values or vice versa.
Of course this is almost strictly a sound design exercise, but you get the idea.
Hats and fart lead are too loud, bass has no power, the glassy thing sounds nice though.
The fart can never be too loud.
Im EXCITED
posted this yesterday and got some good feedback -- made some changes in accordance to them and I think it sounds a lot better now (especially the chorus).
What do you think?
how can i make a boyboy west coast type beat?
It still sounds like the mic you're using is cheap. Not sure what mic you actually are using, but I assume you're going for a more pop vocal sound, here's what I'd do to achieve that (assuming you're using a decent quality mic and the room you're recording in is decent):
1. Compressor with fast attack and release. 3:1 or 4:1 ratio, 3-5db of gain reduction
2. deesser at whatever frequency you need to get rid of harsh, sibilant sounds.
3. compressor with slower attack and release than the first one.
4. an equalizer. I would high pass up to 100-150hz, depending on the voice. get rid of a bit of 250-280hz, and also 3-5k hertz by about 1-4db. increase your high end anywhere from 8k-12k with a shelving EQ to get a crisp higher end.
there are a multitude of other things to do with vocals, it depends on the genre. if it sounds good, it is good, don't worry about how you achieve it. Everyone learns their own way.
how do i stop overthinking bros?
Do drugs or stop sleeping for a few days.
Or both.
See the music? Well LMMS offers everything but a tracker interface I think meaning piano roll, midi and live recording. Your only other alternative would be a tracker such as renoise which is perfect for electronic music in my opinion. Renoise basically shows you everything at once from amount of effects, kinds of effects and duration for each note to every note being currently played at which octave with which instrument etc. And it does so in the most elegant manner you could possibly wish for.
by far the best recording in the thread
What VSTs do you lads use for mixing and effects? I've been struggling with finding a decent one to give my drums nice reverb.
Does anyone care to rate my electric piano tone?
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The sound itself is a dexed preset but I spend quite a while getting the effects right
The TAL Reverb gets recommended a lot. It's free, I like it well enough.
Why did God invent circumcision?
Because Jewish women can't resist anything 30% off!
its only 115 shekels for 5 there are more expensive for 1 plugin in some brands
>TAL Reverb
Sweet, I'll go check it out. Any reccs for EQs while I'm at it?
>instaud.io
hopefully this is a joke, you have nothing but sub
GS is for pros and your memes are weak
Very nicely approaching that Toro y Moi tonality in the vox. Almost perfect, add slight "air" with eq. Prolly 10khz. Beat is sort of uninspired and lags at odd intervals
>my dog food
Am I tricking myself into thinking the mixing here is good enough for techno/house? I just fixed a stereo imaging problem in my studio.. Anyways going to focus on writing for the next yr now that I can mix confidently in half an hour to get the juices flowin.
Try TDR Nova.
>The rigs
Do they really cut them down to ~$150? That's insane. I don't know if I want to wait and also end up with a bunch of RE's I wouldn't use. Right now I only see myself wanting Radical Keys, Parsec, PX7 (I know Dexed is free but 'muh RE'), and maybe Synchronous.
>just bought Reason
>Windows 7 classic w/ a blue fade title bar
Are you literally me?
Are you the kind user who suggested a bunch of rack extensions a couple days ago? (It sure sounds like it since you mentioned the audio in as you did in that thread) I'm the guy with his eye on Parsec -- I'm going to give it a shot this weekend. I wonder how many of us just picked up Reason during this sale.
I got you:
youtube.com
...except that one isn't obscure. Sorry.
Shit. You're making me want to make some J-pop.
i've been studying audio engineering for a year and i still don't fully understand what mastering is AMA
shout out to my gay homies on fruity loops
>stock ableton etc
>TDR Slick eq
>Molot compressor
>valhalla vintage verb
all free but last and that makes up 90% of what I use to mix lol.
can't be 4 realz
Yeah, they've been half off before, and recently they were $130 before the v4 upgrade.
The bloat is real, but the deals on some bits are just too good to pass up.
I only got the backline and the mastering (heavily recommend the mastering cause all the Selig REs are very good and add up to 250 on their own) but I wish I'da sprung for the synthetic as well cause I've wanted ABL3, Parsec, and Bitspeek for some time now.
Personally I don't mind a bit of clutter since memory is cheap (I'm a desktop lad) and I can favorites list the things I really like using, plus you can always pick a device you rarely use and try to make something with it to shake up your usual sounds.
Oh yeah that was me, and I thought the other guy was you (because what are the chances two of you bought Reason recently).
Dicking around with autotune and serum, let me know what you think
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didn't eq this yet
Do you think singing would work over that
This is a disgusting rap beat, you can definitely throw a hook in as well
Rate my new DAW
Play I'd like to teach the world to sing
I dont have a good enough set of cans or speakers, so I'm only listening through my phone.
Maybe I just don't get this style, but either something is mixing, or this is just really boring, composition wise.
I feel like you are getting too lost in the weeds with the production side, and I'd recommend just focusing only on the music.
I mean absolutely zero disrespect, and really hope you really do not in anyway take this as anything but constructive:
Bro, you sound like you followed a guide on how to make a rap beat. If your goal was to prove you know how to make one, you succeeded. I genuinely think to think about the mix this much at the level youre at is time better spent on writing new beats.
>tldr, a mix wont fix a shit beat, I genuinely think you should not even think about this, and the first step you need to take is to not think like "if i had THIS vst, then I would be able to ____".
Just keep at it, I cant speak for everyone, but I remember asking questions like this. In retrospect, the guys who said what I told you are right, and I completely regret not listening. I probably lost a year or two trying to find the "magic plugin" that would fix all my problems.
Either something is MISSING***
Correction
I tried to spit something over this quickly, if you like it swing me your email and I'll finish it tomorrow or I'll just post it here if the thread is here tomorrow. Also your shit is so quiet it's insane, get that pluck up to the point where you feel it in your ear and then go from there.
I just realized I put the hook way too early
Final compression, EQ, and minute adjustments better left to the 60 year old engineer who has the experience and studio equipped to do it right.
Traditionally, a mastering house was where you would bring your Master Tapes to get prepped for whatever format you plan to distribute it on, so they had the gear designed to convert from pro to consumer grade audio.
>just pay the mastering engineer, trust me, its where audio engineers go to retire.
>we don't actually retire, we become mastering engineers
Did you buy this for your girlfriend?
are there any android-based apps which function as a basic audio looping device?
Creates the most focused compositions
Whichever one of you dudes wrote "Real Boyo Hours" thanks man, I rock that shit in my car.
>the fucking difference it can't just be using free VSTs
trust me, it is
>trying to write some simple counterpoint for the first time
>midi roll looks like an incomprehensible mess
>play it and I can hear all the voices perfectly fitting each other and the whole thing coming together
I feel enlightened
>Bro, you sound like you followed a guide on how to make a rap beat. If your goal was to prove you know how to make one, you succeeded
That's kind of reassuring. Are you suggesting I try to learn theory? I actually made this beat 5 hours ago where I tried to use more elements to make something livelier but it might've just came out random instead.
Yes the possibilities are endless. Composers do this sort of thing all the time with their pieces, but producers not so much but they have way more tools to work with. I try and do stuff like this as much as I can and is one of the best things about time based art; you can reconfigure ideas.
well even if I could get Omnisphere or Lounge Lizard or Arturia plugins my laptop wouldn't be able to handle them
get serum and render your midi to wav
got a link?
it's easy to find my bro
Bumping in the name of renoise
Sausage Fattener doesn't _add_ more sausages, it makes the song more sausage
it's not that hard to understand
honestly swear by tal reverb.
you gotta dig for that shit.
here's a real hot tip. retro french cinema. just about anything from the 50s to the 70s has a good chance to contain gold. like this song youtube.com
I want to listen to it
Do you get stuck when writing melodies for electronic music?
When I'm making techno or something similar, everything goes great, I make some pads, but can't figure out what kind of melody would fit, and then for the most of the time, I just put 1 or 2 note melody which is lame.
Can you play an instrument where you can play melodies (so not drums and whatnot)?
Yeah, guitar and keyboard. I know theory and stuff, and I can make good melodies for rock, jazz, blues or similar, but whenever I make electronic music I get stuck
Mh, that's weird.
Maybe it's a workflow issue.
Do you make electronic music melodies in a different way than you make melodies in those other genres?
If so, have you tried using the same workflow as those genres?
Damn, you're right, and I haven't noticed it. When I make other music, I almost always start with writing melodies, but when making techno, I make drums first.
techno does not need melody
Good.
Report back when you try making Techno with the different workflow.
bumping with some real funky shit
it's okay
I used a tip I saw on Queer Eye, just mix a teaspoon of brown sugar and a teapsoon of honey together and apply to your face with wet fingers. It acts as an exfoliate and when you remove it your skin looks smooth and healthy. I think it's already having a positive effect on my music :)
banger
unironically one of the best things I've heard in this cesspool
thanks y'all, it was pretty fun to work on
i had an itch to make it longer but i figured that another verse would be indulgent
Meme of the day
make it a house track
Getting complaints that my mix sounds"flat" or "hollow." Can anyone here interpret what they might be saying here a little better? I was thinking maybe a low mids boost might fix it?
Guys, please can you do something good with my shit
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that's unsalvageable
it needs more stereo
anyone else feel stupid for not focusing on one genre? it seems like the most practical in terms of getting popular quickly but is obviously not a long term strategy.
>clyp.it
Sounds like the soundtrack to a spooky psychadelic 70's Italian horror film.
Yes
Not trying to boast about myself but it's extremely obvious that I have a knack for one a couple particular sounds but I only end up focussing on that genre like 10% of the time i'm producing.... and i'm meh at best for everything else I do. Not fun :(
Guys when making melodies do you think it in your head first then play/sing it, or do you do it on the spot like instant singing/improv playing?
And what do you guys start with? Melody? Chords? Lyrics? State your genres if answering my dudes
No.
I listen to all sorts of music, and try my hand at various sorts, and I don't understand the concept of limiting oneself to one genre at the expense of all the rest.
Depends, sometimes I'll think up something and whistle it into my phone to pick up later, sometimes I'll play some chords until I get a sequence I like then think of or noodle a melody while looping them. I'm kinda out of doors right now, musically speaking.
yeah i have the same attitude but its becoming obvious that this path may not be the best for my 'career'. Certainly its helped expand my musical knowledge and music-making ability but i feel like constantly dipping in/out of genres and merging musical ideas has yet to be rewarding.
Cool thanks man
"improv" playing for me... i add the melody at the end of the project and i just hope i come up with something good
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I feel like my addiction to Yea Forums prevents me from being productive and actually make progress in my production skills.
Should I turn off the internet and spend a week with nothing but my production material and some books?
Start with a fucking beat or rhythm. Even if you have a melody you need to record a rhythm first, whether it's chords on top, a bass line, or a drum beat. Or if your melody doubles as a percussive track that works too
what's the point? yall love to try these drastic changes and then after the week is done you are back to whining. i know actually tackling the root of your problems doesn't sound as glamorous as doing weeks/months of X and Y but it works better
So I should stop browsing Yea Forums forever?
Based
You don't need a rhythm first? Do you consider a metronome rythm?
>Do you consider a metronome rythm?
Is this bait?
the former, it's always planned and mapped out in my head before i do it.
no, i love and will always love being involved in so much shit, i hate limiting myself.
lmao, what do you expect people to do with this exactly
I like it, but the bass synth melody could be a bit more exciting, a bit more playful, at least during the instrumental parts.
Sort of both. I generally don't have a melody in my head beforehand. But once I start hitting some notes, usually other notes will come to me in my head and give a direction to go in. Once I've got something that might sound cool, I'll record it quickly so I don't forget, then I'll go back and try to perfect it.
I usually start with chords. It's much easier to come up with a melody, for me, over chords rather than out of thin air.
As for my genre, I'm getting into scoring video games so it's whatever fits the game. Mainly orchestral for me, but I'm trying to get more comfortable with different electronic genres.
First of all the snare is pretty boring sounding, eq it a bit differently, don't really know how exactly though, maybe some reverb would help aswell? Same goes for the kick minus the reverb, it could also be louder. I'd probably lower the rhythm guitars a bit, and let the bass shine through more, I'd add a couple of dbs around 100-200hz and the high mid area (sounds kinda goofy solo, but makes the higher notes pop more in the mix). I also think the vocals need a bit more reverb or maybe delay, and maybe a boost somewhere in the 10k-16khz to make them more crisp. Also good job with the vocals, nailed the higher notes.
thanks my dudes
>Queer Eye
Was it a rerun or did they bring that show back? I haven't watched TV in something like 7 years.
Yes and I hate that feeling. I would love to wrap everything together in one concept album but it's just not possible. Hell, I can't even decide what genre to work on. Maybe I'll pump out four track "singles" in various genres just to get more experience in different styles before trying to merge them.
They rebooted Queer Eye on Netflix with a new cast, it's great and apparently some of the tips they give out actually work
I spent the last year writing a bunch of songs and I have a good list of 11 I think. Too bad I didn't spend that time recording because they sound like lo-fi garbage before I add the vocals on them
Lofi is the in-thing right now. Quick, sell a few hundred tapes on bandcamp before the fad's over
Shit dude, that means a lot to me.
Hopefully it'll still be going on by the end of the year, that's when I plan to have it """finished"""
this is all i could manage
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you need to select better sample source material
you need more syncopation in your melodies
you need a better chord progression
you need to test way more combinations of sounds because good sound is partially random or at least unpredictable
better drum samples?
Dimi, please, make at least on alternate section for your bass lines. Skipping one note doesn't count.
yes
what do you mean an alternate section?
Like you know how your bass is just a repeated fugyew? make another fugyre tio reopeat.
Go ahead and try, you literally can't.
its easy if u just kill yourself
h-heh heh..
>he doesn't use a reverb bus
what would the point of that be
meme trap fag here
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Trying to make real-sounding drums from samples, but currently they sound so empty and liveless. How do I make them sound fuller and more energetic/real?
Was kinda trying to make something among the likes of "i" by Kendrick
velocity you dumb dumb
Play it manually to make it human... like that syncopated kick should be delayed ever so slightly to create a little extra tension. It sounds too perfect as is.
And like the guy above said, vary the velocidad.
use real recordings and/or get better samples. there are some kontakt libraries that have enough multi samples to do what you need
you would tell a drummer to hit harder, but you can't do that with just velocity editing
VELOCITY
PANNING
SHAKERS
TAMBOS
BELLS
TIME SHIFT AND SWING
>you would tell a drummer to hit harder
t. things that never happen.
I laughed but we both know the real reason that wouldn't happen is cause the drummer wouldn't show up until the session was over
bassist useless/boring guitarist dumb theorylet singer contributes nothing keyboardist quiet brain xDDD
i actually use that plugin, it's a good visual reference when you can't nail what's wrong with the mix
thank you!
>You can lead a nigger to water but you can't make him drink.