Chart was last updated yesterday, so what do you think of the new Yea Forumscore chart?
What would you change about it?
Do you like it? Why yes, why not?
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the electro section is fucking awful (its all 2000s house subgenres, electro is a genre on the same level as Techno and House with its own history) and the techno section leans way too heavily into detroit
Electro is splattered all around the chart, not just house. It's represented there by Cybotron in the techno section, Afrika Bambaataa in the hip hop section, Giorgio Moroder in the disco section, YMO and Peaches in the "synthpop" section, Skinny Puppy in the industrial section, and Bajofondo in the Argentinian section.
Electro is a pretty big genre, but its more of an umbrella term if anything, even at the beginning, when the first electro artists came from either a synthpop background (YMO), hip hop background (Afrikaa), or "proto-techno" background (Cybotron).
>the techno section leans way too heavily into detroit
I was actually thinking the opposite, and that it would do fine with one extra detroit album (to distinguish between first wave and second wave).
What do you think?
the first row is essentially all detroit techno. would make more sense to represent acid techno with smth like chris liberator, ambient techno could also be better represented with 2000s type tunes like E.R.P. (or if you want it to be 90s why not put the black dog). give electro its own section, a first wave with all the other genres feeding in; a second wave of the more pure stuff like egyptian lover; maybe note some of the 2000s creme organization type stuff; include the current wave with something like umwelt
>the first row is essentially all detroit techno
I mean, only three of them are, with one being "pure" detroit techno and the other two being acid and ambient. I think this is okay.
>would make more sense to represent acid techno with smth like chris liberator
>ambient techno could also be better represented with 2000s type tunes like E.R.P. (or if you want it to be 90s why not put the black dog)
The thing is the chart prioritizes early examples of the genre instead, so I can't go with those. Both examples you mention are already "too late" to be included.
>give electro its own section
But the thing is there isn't a proper electro genre, which is why "electro" releases are scattered all across the chart. Egyptian Lover would fall under hip hop instead, for example, while other electro (like Cybotron) would fall under techno.
>non music
Why they aren't considered music?
>The thing is the chart prioritizes early examples of the genre instead
thats not the approach youve taken with rock music on this chart and it makes no sense for dance music. early 'acid techno' for example had to be mixed with detroit techno if people were going to put it in sets, so to find a piece of music that actually represents 'acid techno' as a genre rather than a piece of music that is transitioning from detroit to acid requires a later example.
>But the thing is there isn't a proper electro genre
on your chart or in the real world? because its a very real thing, why dissolve it into other genres like that when it doesnt even make very much sense
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>thats not the approach youve taken with rock music on this chart
But it is? Why are you claiming its not?
>it makes no sense for dance music. early 'acid techno' for example had to be mixed with detroit techno if people were going to put it in sets
Put the same logic applies to all genres, not just dance music, which is why early progressive rock was psychedelic rock, or why early heavy metal was hard rock, and so on.
>rather than a piece of music that is transitioning from detroit to acid requires
Transitional pieces is what this chart operates with mostly, actually.
>on your chart or in the real world?
Like the examples I mentioned, those aren't "just electro", they are also hip hop, or house, or techno, and so on. People also use the term "acid" as a genre, but its the same case with electro.
>People also use the term "acid" as a genre, but its the same case with electro
it simply isnt, educate yourself ffs
>it simply isnt
Discogs uses "acid" as a genre, so?
But that's the point anyways, the point is it wouldn't make sense to make a category where the releases are randomly hip hop, house, techno, industrial, synthpop, etc., even though I acknowledge that the electro term is used a lot.
is there one with the best examples of each genre, rather than the earliest example?
what genre are these in your mind apart from electro ffs
discogs uses 'acid' as a genre because theres no 'acid techno' or 'acid house' genres, you just apply acid along with the relevant genre to indicate the record has acid on it. its not the same with electro, many records are just tagged 'electro' since its its own genre
>is there one with the best examples of each genre
Yes, you choose the genres from the chart, and then go to RYM and select the top rated album ("best"). I'm not a fan of this approach, but you are free to do so, and this even is suggested in the description from the link.
>in your mind apart from electro ffs
Hashim is indeed "pure" electro, but "pure" electro is relatively rare. I have to check the other, but will report back with my impressions.
>electro, many records are just tagged 'electro' since its its own genre
True, but you also posted some electro hip hop, which I don't believe belongs under electro.
Again, I do acknowledge that electro is a widely used term, but its also true that electro gets used to describe music that fits better with another genre (like I already mentioned before).
Really needs something from the Mali griot tradition, it's the living history of a lot of African culture. Toumani Diabaté is a fairly straightforward candidate - maybe too much so. His cooperation with Ballaké Sissoko is worthwhile:
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Also, Sudan is conspicuously absent I think? Abu Obaida Hassan would fit in well.
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Needs some Georgian liturgian music too imho, quite different from the folk songs, and Armenia is overrepresented compared to its neighbours:
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Got to hit the sack, but I'll be having a look at all of the chart, my curiosity is picqued.
Correction to this >then go to RYM and select the top rated album ("best")
Should be recording instead of album, as not all genres are dominated by the album, but some are better as singles, EPs, or compilations.
Feel free to critique all you want, that's exactly what the chart needs. I will review your post in a moment.
>"""""Non""""" music
Chart instantly became worthless trash.
wow you're so instant
Why would you put a Henry Cow album for Avant-Prog?
What about it? Henry Cow are a classic example from the genre.
The chart actually
what kind of autistic monster created this chart
surely this has to be the work of the biggest pseud we've ever seen on Yea Forums
Yea, but theres alot of great avant-prog that came way before Henry Cow, it seems weird to pick something as early as Uncle Meat then pick an Avant-Prog album from like 6 years later, Henry Cow is also already on the regular mucore chart
I mean, for the rare cases were a genre was repeated, the second didn't have to be an early example as well. I went with Henry Cow because it already sounds too different from Uncle Meat, but I could have gone with something like Thinking Plague, or Universe Zero, or whatever. There isn't really a set rule for these rare cases, so I just went with Henry Cow (influential, representative, different from the Uncle Meat).
>non music
The absolute state of this board.
nobody cares lol
Plebbitors don't care, indeed.
Nice digits, though.
Why do Melvins get to take up both the sludge metal AND drone metal space?
Well, Melvins taking the sludge metal spot makes perfect sense, if you ask me.
Drone metal on the other hand could have gone to Melvins, Naked City or Earth. But Earth had their first drone metal album on 1993, while the other two in 1992, so I felt I had to go with one of them. Naked City were a bit unusual for drone metal, since it had a lot of jazz influences, while Melvins were closer to the "regular" sound of drone metal, while also being more influenced by sludge metal, so it serves more as a transitional album from sludge to drone.
What do you think?
How about Boris?
They came much later, with their first album being from 1996.
Actually, I think I'm going to go with Earth's EP from 1991. Seems like a much better choice now.
also if we're doing this earliest significant example thing why the fuck do you use sleazy d for acid house rather than phuture - acid trax
That's because Sleazy D came a year earlier.
no, acid tracks was around before sleazy D. it's the original, this is widely documented. dance music (especially chicago house) is/was usually floating around as dubplates, test pressings, mp3 files, e.t.c. and being played in sets long before it gets officially released on a label
Yeah, I'm aware of the existence of dubplates, test pressings, promos, and the like, but I can't find anything regarding Acid Trax being released before I've Lost Control by Sleazy D (1986).
The Birthday Party being the album chosen for the Noise Rock section seems like an odd choice
Hmm, alright, I think that's fair, since the third link claims they had the track in 1985 already, but its still on the "eh" side of things, since there is no actual proof the track existed that early. But fine, I will change the acid house recording with Phuture.
I guess, but I couldn't find a better alternative back then. Some would say WL/WH, but its too far removed from the original noise rock scene in terms of sound and the like (being mostly a post-punk scene), and Chrome being almost completely alien to any scene at the moment, so I couldn't go for them either. It's because of this that Birthday Party seemed like a better alternative, but if you have any suggestions I'm open to them.
>non-music
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Okay, user, what exactly do you want that you have to make the same post four times in the same thread?
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I'm pretty sure I already explained that to you, but that's just the name there is for those recordings that, let's say, might or might not be music. Some people would call speeches musical, and the fairy tales, radioplay and beat poetry recordings on there are musicalized (as the music is in the background only). They are borderline cases, mostly, so it's odd to either call them music or not.
>might or might not be music.
Yes, because there is no fixed definition for what music is.
Then the entire chart might or might not be music. Then the entire chart is non-music.
Half Japanese - Calling All Girls and Slugfuckers - Three Feet Behind Glass / Live at Budokan seem like better choices for early noise rock, especially because Slugfuckers are Post-Punk as well as mainly noise rock, The Birthday Party's self-titled just doesn't feel right being in the noise rock section to me
Half Japanese is a possibility, but I'm not really sold on it.
Slugfuckers are a bit too obscure for noise rock, so I don't think I should go with them.
>The Birthday Party's self-titled just doesn't feel right being in the noise rock section to me
Yeah, I feel a similar way, but it's the option I like the most. It's a weird case, really.
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Do you have any contact information? Mine is in the description of the chart.
Do you have something against music made after the year 2000?