Why is j-pop much better than k-pop bros?

Kpop is even more commercialized and ruthless than Jpop, and it's Jpop that has the cute girls. Kpop is all about sexy women. If you have to lie to defend something then maybe it's not very good.

Because j-pop is from Japan and k-pop is from Korea, that's why.

stan loona

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k-slutpop is pretty much dead, the majority of new groups have cute concepts

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This is how the first Internet War starts

>Average j-pop
youtube.com/watch?v=lDX3dEzXz20

>Average k-pop
youtube.com/watch?v=D1fJCc_PIA4

Isn't Kpop run by the same 2 or 3 companies and all of them receive money from the government? As well as the government promoting it overseas (hint: all these kpop threads on Yea Forums that get bump limit in like an hour are filled with actual south korean gov bots, you don't need to believe me)

Yeah but poptimists think that's a really radical antidote to stolid and played out indie. The less companies the better, lol lol!

k-pop: soulless
j-pop: soul

Holy based

Koreans are literally incapable of writing and producing music.

All their pop music is ghostwritten and composed by American Jews.

I hate the "soul" meme, but this is the actual answer. K-Pop performers are like husks being powered by necromancy while J-Pop comes off as actual beings with real humanity to them even if the music's not good.

get a load of this kshitter

how do you even know nugus from 2011
SM, YG, JYP, BigHit, Cube, FNC, DSP, Starship, Source Music, Woolim, WM, Pledis etc. the list goes on
half of the kpop producers are Korean, most of the Western producers are Swedish

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How can kshits even compete?

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ok wtf japan

FUCKING TWISTER!!

they banned them

western music is literally just 4 companies

youtube.com/watch?v=Iqq_WDcsp6w
youtube.com/watch?v=06jqFCA2QLs
youtube.com/watch?v=OkOhqi3k-mk

The last one also had a good soundtrack.
youtube.com/watch?v=DG2nxUprM9g

K-pop > J-pop
J-rock > Is there even K-rock?

>K-pop > J-pop
Not really

There is no Korean music outside of k-pop because the Korean brain is incapable of writing music.

jpop is for pedos

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Projection.

youtu.be/q-rJ1rORKDs

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Japanese people have made music in every genre from jazz to country to Irish folk music to Balkan brass band to blues -- since the 1930's.

Koreans and Chinese have made 99% corporate pop since the 70's.

What does that tell you?

>inb4 muh mid-air thief

>doesn't know how dominant ballads/OSTs are
Weebshits deserve the rope

Rei Kuromiya is so fucking adorable, fuck.

>doesn't know how dominant ballads/OSTs are
What does this mean?

they didn't ban the pedobait group itself though

kpop are way more soulful in the singing and dancing

jpop artists are autistic underaged sexbots

The k-pop obsession seems almost as all-consuming as the furry obsession.

What is it about Korean thot-pop that fills such a gaping void in your existence? And how did your life come to be so empty to begin with?

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Why is k-pop so much better than j-pop bros?

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>kpop are way more soulful in the singing and dancing
are they? I think the girls are hot of course, but it's so automated and fake. Feels like all of them fucking hate the lifestyle but they can't choose anyway.

It isn't, but jrock is

no idea

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You post all those links (that nobody's gonna play), and I post this.
youtube.com/watch?v=Nv5jMLJQ9f4

>kpop are way more soulful in the singing and dancing
streamable.com/op06i
oh no no no

>jpop artists are autistic underaged sexbots
This is a word salad. This doesn't mean anything. You are being hysterical.

Well duh, but Jpop is still better than K-"government uses taxes to fund it and shill overseas" Pop.

Because Koreans have souls

Is this a joke?

My mom never loved me and my Dad is dead.

Koreans eat dogs. Japanese don't.

Dogs have no souls

youtube.com/watch?v=R6jdMNyRiY0

i got bored of the music I was listening to and it just blossomed from there, but my life has always been boring and empty so fuck it

what am I supposed to look for in the video?

dated trash with no soul or melodic ingenuity

compare that to the tonedeaf chanting in j-idolpop

The j-pop obsession seems almost as all-consuming as the furry obsession.

What is it about Japanese animeshit that fills such a gaping void in your existence? And how did your life come to be so empty to begin with?

>Koreans have made 99% corporate pop since the 70's.

That's why they're better at it

Jpop isn't related to anime just because they're made in the same country.

Haha, a kpopper not being able to appreciate one of the most important contemporary music acts of the past century. Seems fitting.
I'm not into idol anyway, but sorry, I'm not impressed. I also feel sorry for these girls living a slavery lifestyle dictated by corporations. Soulless.

>Koreans are literally incapable of writing and producing music.

>Sweetune
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>Shinsadong Tiger
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>Brave Sound
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>put 50 replaceable underage girls in a group
>have them sing in unison and jump all over the stage because none of them can sing or dance
>audience is composed entirely of middle aged salarymen
SOUL

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He said music.

Your father said "abort it".

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reminder that all jpop and kpop idols are prostitutes and there's nothing you can do about it

But I'm not a kpop bot.
For the record, I'm not a jpop idol bot either, but at least Japan's government doesn't pay people to shill jpop on the west like SK does.

I've never seen any evidence for Jpop idols being prostitutes other than "just google it."

Nobody here is really a jpop idol fan though, we're just making fun of kpops who think things like "dancing" matters in music.
Does Korea have equivalents to musicians like Ryuichi Sakamoto, Jun Togawa or Susumu Hirasawa?

This, all the Korean pop from the late 70s is at least 5-10 years behind Japan. The musicians on those early Kpop Recordings blew ass compared to the accomplished musicians in Japan at the same time

Biggest bait thread.

>being a nostalgia-deluded brianlet who lives in the past when artists today are making catchier and more interesting sounding music that your pleb ears are incapable of comprehending because you only listen to dated crap.

they both suck

But I listen to modern stuff as well. Just not corporate korean shit funded by the government.

>when a kshitter tries to sound cultured
lmao

komukai minako

But somehow Kpop is made up of bands and singer-songwriters and nobody cares at all about the looks of the performers.

the japanese can't construct catchy melodies

their music is pure autism with no soul

Post something current that's better then YMO

>old bad, new good
your kpop brainlet in a nutshell.
you fags don't even know about Korea's music history because you're all bots who just consume the new shit like maggots eating dirt.

What about her?

>but at least Japan's government doesn't pay people to shill jpop on the west like SK does.

jesus christ. its the same scripted response every time.

How to make a Kpop shitter make a fool of himself:
>post YMO
>wait for them to embarrass themselves claiming it's bad because it doesn't sound like american "EDM"
easy.

You either have no appreciation of music or have not actually heard much if any Japanese music.

>j-jpop is better
>here's a repetitive synthshit song from the 70s
>hah i proved them right. now they'll see why jpop is superior!

I know I repeat that a lot, but you know why? Because it's true. You listen to SK's government's pet whores.

this is some fedora shit right here lol

>>here's a repetitive synthshit song from the 70s
Haha you're talking about YMO?
Holy shit, you kpop retards are hilarious. Really deaf.

alleged that the japanese entertainment industry was pressuring girls into prostitution
the heavy yakuza influence in the industry is an open secret too

You think so?
YMO influenced the detroit techno scene. Hip hop pioneers like Afrika Bambaataa and techno pioneers like Carl Cox have cited YMO as main influences.
What did Kpop influence?

i listen to the music of soulful korean men

what do you listen to?

Why would they do that? It's a career death sentence for an idol to be caught having sex, and nevermind all the legal risks involved. Prostitution is also de facto legal in Japan.

It's okay when Japan does it though. Very honorabru!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cool_Japan

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>kpops who think things like "dancing" matters in music
Yea Forumstards are still thinking in terms of absolute music
>Does Korea have equivalents to musicians like Ryuichi Sakamoto, Jun Togawa or Susumu Hirasawa?
Does Japan have a contemporary equivalent to Unsuk Chin?

you could share some

>i listen to the music of soulful korean men
Well, post stuff. hopefully it isn't corporate government stuff.
>what do you listen to?
Japanese? lately been spinning some Ken Ishii. Just a legend.

wtf

it's quid pro quo AND they have something to blackmail her with if she ever steps out of line

>dated repetitive garbage without a single interesting melody

explain why you think it's good

Incomparable to the amount of money SK spends in promoting Kpop overseas, basically non-existant.

Why would kpop be higher better than western pop if it’s a pastiche of it and relies on the trends in it?

I'm yet to see a single jpop or kpop song as soulful as this
m.youtube.com/watch?v=js2XTia5H5k
Asians are soulless

I don't need to. Read: You're just making a fool out of yourself for shitting on YMO dude, really. It's okay if you want to shitpost, at least Yea Forums is anonymous so nobody will know who you are, it's okay.
Kpop as it is wouldn't exist without YMO. They were an important element in modern electronic music, same as Kraftwerk.
The American musicians that Kpop imitate or use to write their music were, directly or indirectly, influenced by YMO.

Look at Japanese game music for example. It has been way more popular and remixed than Western game music.

>rydeen
>no interesting melody
you have got to be shitting me

>Well, post stuff.
see

>ken ishii

youtube.com/watch?v=bgJ5L_wlzwU

this? sounds like soulless autism.

it's futile, my man. kshitters are mentally retarded and literally victims of a psy-op (because they are so low iq). This thread is proof why they shouldn't be allowed outside of their designated containment shithole. Seeing them cope was funny but this bait thread already did their job of exposing them, we all should leave now or we will be encouraging Yea Forums to become shittier than it already has become.

>AND they have something to blackmail her with if she ever steps out of line
Why would there be any need for that when they're already strictly managed as it is, and have to avoid anything that could cause a scandal?

wow amazing that you were able to listen to the entire album in 4 minutes

>Does Japan have a contemporary equivalent to Unsuk Chin?
Many. But we're talking about pop here, not classical.
Ryuichi Sakamoto lies between the world of pop and contemporary classical though.

how about you link me to a specific song and explain why you think it's good

Because big wallet niggas in Japan need their dicks licked

>this is your mind on anime

they don't strictly need THAT, they could do all sorts of other things like plant drugs in her car
but they're attractive women, of course they want to fuck them too

I thought you said soullful, these posts are full of boy bands. Backstreet boys were 25 years ago dude, I don't need to listen to modern korean versions.
>this? sounds like soulless autism.
You're embarrassing yourself so lowly.

Is there a point in this thread?
Korea doesn't have a rich music history or variety.
It's just kpop.
Just leave the autists alone.

>8 songs

once you've heard 10 seconds of one techno song you've heard the whole thing. there's little variation. it's just dated electronic sounds with no direction. no interesting melody or harmony.

t. has never listened to a full techno album

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Huh?

>like plant drugs in her car
Why would they need to do that? What exactly do you think idols are for?

There's not a single contemporary Japanese composer who's as highly regarded as Unsuk Chin.

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So you just don't like techno in general. Probably because you're a brainlet.
The industry-processed music you like is influenced by techno by the way. Just made it so that low IQ individuals can enjoy it by adding "catchy" 4/4 bars and "catchy" predictable vocals.

ITT: Influential means that the music is good or enjoyable.

That is not the case, and has never been. Shit dude, Chuck Berry's music is the most influential over the past 60 years. Nobody uses that to say it's better than whatever mucore or flavor of the week ppl dick ride.

Anyway, J-pop is more versatile. There's the synth stuff, the obnoxious stuff, the calmer jazz inspired stuff, and more upbeat jazz inspired stuff.

Modern k-pop though will always be this combination of electronic dance music, hip hop, and electro pop.

That being said, despite the hit or miss nature of both, the better stuff from modern k-pop will always be better imo because it's a far more refined take on music. They take the best of their influences and put it in one package. In fact, this discussion of how YMO hasn't aged well shows this perfectly where even though YMO is influential, their music isn't very refined, and many aspects of it (the lack of well written melodies even compared to peers like Kraftwerk, the mushy production that weaks each sound in a track, etc.) don't hold up to modern standards. It makes sense as they are innovators so they realistically don't have the foundation to refine themselves from, but that doesn't change the fact that this will result in their music aging badly.

listen to them and you'll see how soulful they are

i've gone through quite a few on the top rym charts. it's all dull background music.

Why do you pretend to care about contemporary classical, when all you listento is pop?
How far will you go to defend a country that doesn't even care about you except for your money?

>Why would they need to do that? What exactly do you think idols are for?
to cause a drug possession scandal that would discredit her nigga you can't be this dense

>their music isn't very refined, and many aspects of it (the lack of well written melodies
Stopped reading here. Why do you want to make a fool out of yourself so shamelessly? because it's an anonymous board?

why do you think techno like that album is good (or any techno album)

>to cause a drug possession scandal that would discredit her
What would be the point of this?

>soulless
>soulless
>soulless

>autism
>autism
>autism

kpop is a cult, and like all cults, it requires its members to lack any self-awareness

Because ken ishii is best girl!
*popsts webm of ken ishii doing a coreo routine showing a bit of his skinny ass*
Am I a kpopper now?

I just prefer to believe the people defending kpop here are actual teenagers. It'd be embarrassing otherwise.

soulless 50-year-old japanese dads are ruining this board

disgusting

I'm more experienced with (contemporary) classical music than with kpop. Your weeb goggles just piss me off

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Bro compare what YMO was releasing at the time to what Kraftwerk was. And this is a more merciful comparison cuz Kraftwerk's stuff sounds tinny/mushy as well, but nowhere to YMO's level. They don't develop their melodies like Kraftwerk and other peers did either which means if that one repetitive crap is not a good melody, you done goofed. This isn't even bringing in stuff that's actually mixed/mastered well from that time in similar new wave style like Giorgio Moroder's Chase.

Stop praising "legends" because the internet told you to.

you literally have no arguments other than "yur dum"

explain why the dated crap you like isn't dated crap

to punish her if she ever publicly embarrasses them/talks about unethical conditions in the industry
do you need everything spoonfed to you

"tinny/mushy" or "not a good melody" aren't arguments, my "bro".
You're just mad because Korea doesn't have important legendary musicians.
sure you are.

explain how none of your crap overproduced kpop is going to sound immensely dated in just 10 years

You first. Explain why YMO is "dated crap" without sounding like a biased, ignorant zoomer.

By this logic, every industry and company in the world must be doing what you are accusing the Jpop industry of doing.

Wait.
Why do kpop fans pretend to care about the music?
Kpop threads are 100% webms and pics, not music.

This.
I admit I'm a Kpop fan but I won't go around pretending I care about the music, that's just silly.

no lol, the logic is that numerous people in the industry have reported similar things happening for decades
look up johnny kitagawa's sexual harassment allegations too

The logic applies anywhere. The employees might maybe do something in the future to make the company look bad, so better have some dirt on them or threaten to frame them for a crime.

the western industry is full of accusations too, though.
I don't know about Korea, but I assume it's a given too.
It's just the kind of thing that happens when you're rich and powerful. I bet it happens in every country.

Why aren't you talking about about actual legends like Takemitsu? He composed movie soundtracks, too. You should be familiar with him.

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It likely will but that's the case for all music and all art. Newer stuff will be better than older shit because we keep getting better at making things.

yes, normally law enforcement is supposed to protect against this shit but corruption is already so rife in the entertainment industry that it rarely happens

>It likely will but that's the case for all music and all art. Newer stuff will be better than older shit because we keep getting better at making things.
Is this really true though? "old bad new good"? Seems kinda NPCish.

>yes, normally law enforcement is supposed to protect against this shit
That's not what we're talking about.

you always say that, Riku

>kpop fans shitting on ymo
This thread will be remembered.

you are a nigger boy

... it is. you said it could apply to any industry and i told you why it's especially common in jp entertainment. fuck it i give up, go live in your weird world where idols are completely controlled by middle aged men but are still somehow virgins

Post ONE k-pop song with soul. I've yet to see it.

i want to know why YMO or other old electronic music is good other than "it's influential"

i'm too retarded and ignorant. so enlighten me

youtube.com/watch?v=8DitMqeKSP0
she's still dabbing on worst koreans

Weren't you supposed to pin point why you think it's bad in the first place?
If you want, you can just say "old bad new good", but that isn't a real argument.

is there any good jpop other than nakata-produced stuff

>you said it could apply to any industry and i told you why it's especially common in jp entertainment
So you actually think that anywhere outside the idol industry law enforcement is on top of things and preventing corruption?

>go live in your weird world where idols are completely controlled by middle aged men but are still somehow virgins
Where did I make claims about their virginity?

Banana allergy monkey

yeah
youtube.com/watch?v=4jWLioW7Zx0

youtube.com/watch?v=XeO8lv-TxSQ
I don't think this really qualifies as pop, but BiS are jpop, right?

youtube.com/watch?v=cHcD1LcmxfA
the prime slut daoko is pretty good i think

>INFINITE
based

i've already said why i thought it's bad (dated sounds and production, lacking engaging melodies, overly repetitive). now you tell me why you think it sounds good.

Since I see there are some seemingly human posters ITT:
Please explain kpop threads to me.
I've been on Yea Forums for years and I always see 2, 3 or more kpop threads in the front page, reaching bump limit in no time, with most of the posts being pictures or webms.
No discussion (the only text I see is really short stuff, sometimes I don't even get what they're trying to say, but I think it's just mostly "my waifu best, your waifu ugly" stuff).
What's the deal? Where did these people come from? Why is there so many of them? It's kind of uncanny. And it's 24/7, it never stops.

Japanese idols are just random high school girls. Korean idols train for years, they are more emotionally invested in their career as idol performers.
And "producer/songwriter-idols" is the latest meme that's been pushed in kpop, a few idols have produced hit songs and there are agencies that teach idol trainees music theory/composition.

waifufaggotry, drama and news

>dated sounds and production
Explain why you think it sounds dated though, many music critics praise YMO (and Kraftwerk as well) because of how timeless they sound and how their influence can still be heard today. Is it because they don't use modern-style bass sounds like in american EDM?
>lacking engaging melodies
And what kind of authority do you have to dictate whether a melody is engaging or not?
>overly repetitive
Funny because a lot of modern producers praise repetitiveness and monotonous sounds. It's not a positive or a negative, it depends on how it's executed. I don't think YMO is repetitive though, Kraftwerk maybe, but again, it's not a bad thing.
Pop music's verse--chorus-verse-chorus structure is repetitive too, you just don't notice it easily because it gives the illusion it's always changing, when in reality it's just 2 parts alternating.

thinking older stuff is better because people said so is more NPCish. newer creations as a whole will be better than past creations because there's more things to draw influence from and better technology.

>Japanese idols are just random high school girls. Korean idols train for years, they are more emotionally invested in their career as idol performers.
They aren't random high school girls. They have auditions, they train, they have different career prospects.

>And "producer/songwriter-idols" is the latest meme that's been pushed in kpop, a few idols have produced hit songs and there are agencies that teach idol trainees music theory/composition.
Then they aren't idols anymore.

>thinking older stuff is better because people said so is more NPCish.
But corporations want you to consume their new stuff, I'd say "old bad new good" is more NPC than "old good new bad".
I didn't say new stuff is bad, though You're the one claiming newer stuff is always better.
>newer creations as a whole will be better than past creations because there's more things to draw influence from and better technology.
This is an interesting point, but I think music can be good regardless of technology, what do you think?
Also, being influenced by someone, doesn't mean you will make better music.

>many music critics praise YMO (and Kraftwerk as well) because of how timeless they sound and how their influence can still be heard today.

70 year old boomers?

>They aren't random high school girls. They have auditions, they train, they have different career prospects.
They train for a few weeks and debut with abominable performance skills.
>Then they aren't idols anymore.
Well, they are still in idol groups and perform just like other idols.

Doesn't matter who, but no, younger ones as well.
Well? will you reply? why do you think it sounds dated? Obviously it doesn't sound like modern american EDM, but... is that a bad thing?

Kpop is far superior, this webm proves it

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I have yet to hear what YOU think about it.

>critics think this

what do YOU think? why do YOU like it?

idols are a bad concept anyway, you guys are seriously arguing about "My asian exploited girl is better than your asian exploited girl"?
Talk about real artists, like Shiina Ringo or Akiko Yano.
Don't know if Korea has equivalents to them.

Korea has twice, thats what I call real art

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good songs
cute girls

>They train for a few weeks and debut with abominable performance skills.
The Japanese idol industry doesn't emphasize high singing and dancing skills. If they wanted to emphasize those things, they would. Anyway, they aren't random people and they do have careers.

>Well, they are still in idol groups and perform just like other idols.
If we're going to bring in producers and composers into this then we may as well start comparing Kpop idols against literally any Japanese bands and musicians.

Its literally all me

I'm not the one making an unpopular, hot take declaration though. You are the one who have to explain yourself.
Nobody will take Kpop seriously anyway, even Kpop fans know they like it because of the girls, the music is a 2nd thing.
I like YMO because of the music, not the band memebers' dances (they don't really dance... I think).

>But corporations want you to consume their new stuff,

corporations wanted you to consume their old stuff

>I think music can be good regardless of technology, what do you think?
sure but technology can improve how it sounds

>being influenced by someone, doesn't mean you will make better music.
true. but more influence increases the odds

the cute girl part is a given, but the times I checked kpop threads, I never saw people discussing music.

word

>I'm not the one making an unpopular, hot take declaration though.

thinking 70s electronic music is dated isn't an unpopular take.

>i don't have to explain myself because my take is the right one

lmao. alright im done with you man. you stay filtered and have a nice day.

its shitposting on steroids

lurk more

>corporations wanted you to consume their old stuff
yeah, when it was new. only time coporations want you to consume old stuff is when a popular artist dies so they can sell Best Of.
>sure but technology can improve how it sounds
This is a grey area for me. I'm not against technology at all but I question certain uses of it in modern music. For example autotune, it can be good (and I do enjoy older vocoders and stuff) but most of the time it sounds jarring to me. Same with other modern production tricks. Subjective IMO.
>true. but more influence increases the odds
Younger people don't really listen to more amount of music than older people though. I think the influence pool is always limited in the end.

youtube.com/watch?v=n8C_j9IGT7Y
ded
there's a few groups active in japan

I don't consider idol music "real art" either, but it can be entertaining if you don't mind the corporate nature of it.
Shitty performances can ruin the experience though...
>If we're going to bring in producers and composers into this then we may as well start comparing Kpop idols against literally any Japanese bands and musicians.
Their music is still limited to the idol music

>thinking 70s electronic music is dated isn't an unpopular take.
You said stuff like YMO is bad because they don't do good melodies (whatever that means, as if you're a melody authority), that's an unpopular take.
>lmao. alright im done with you man. you stay filtered and have a nice day.
same here, this discussion wasn't going anywhere, we won't change each other's minds. Enjoy kpops, my lad.

jpop?

The whole idea behind idols is that they are performers who are manufactured and directed by a company.

>They aren't random high school girls. They have auditions, they train, they have different career prospects.
produce48 proved that wrong

>discussing music
my group is best your is garbage

What are you talking about?

>yeah, when it was new
right so being old doesn't mean it's better if the reasoning is "corporations want you to buy their music" because that's been the case for awhile. same with films.

>autotune, it can be good (and I do enjoy older vocoders and stuff) but most of the time it sounds jarring to me
autotune when used the way it was meant to be is barely noticeable and you hear it more than you think

>Younger people don't really listen to more amount of music than older people though. I think the influence pool is always limited in the end.
the pool is still greater because the artists from that pool took from the previous artists while also adding to it

>right so being old doesn't mean it's better if the reasoning is "corporations want you to buy their music" because that's been the case for awhile. same with films.
My argument was that corporations always want you to consume their NEW music, hence why the "old bad new good" is more NPC-like. I'm talking about the mindset, not the actual old or new music. There's good and bad music in all eras.
>autotune when used the way it was meant to be is barely noticeable and you hear it more than you think
It was just an example and I even said I enjoy some use of autotune since I enjoy other vocal manipulation tools that existed before autotune, but again, just an example. A lot of modern production tricks I find jarring. There are also old production tricks I find jarring. Basically what I mean is, it doesn't matter if it's old or new, it matters if it's done tastefully.
>the pool is still greater because the artists from that pool took from the previous artists while also adding to it
Is that always a good thing though? In the end it can lead to a decomposed telephone scenario (like the whole american EDM thing that basically takes the more vapid and shallow elements of electronica).

new k-pop sucks. old k-pop can be pretty comfy
youtu.be/zbG3K3BkN6s

>idol producers/songwriters
Their music is directed by the agency and not very different from the stuff agencies buy from coporate producers. Usually they still have to perform songs that were handed to them, some of them also work as corporate producers and produce/write songs for other groups.

youtube.com/watch?v=cNCOyLI4vHA
the guy in red co-produced this song
youtube.com/watch?v=EVaV7AwqBWg

youtube.com/watch?v=qgVsYx-zHjY
this guy co-produced this song
youtube.com/watch?v=B3KuJqe3Epg

It's still idol music (corporate entertainment not art) in the end.

>non-idol singer-songwriter Korean pop
youtube.com/watch?v=IRNBtocmQ58
youtube.com/watch?v=KWjDSRdIFgc

Why do you care about some overproduced idol shit in the first place? They don't write the music, they don't fucking perform the music either.
You people should petition Hiroshimoot for your own /waifu/ board, because that's what this shit is, not music.

mina is japanese though

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Why's japanese idol groups' choreography so much worse thank kpop?
The japanese girls in kpop groups are also much prettier

>The japanese girls in kpop groups are also much prettier
wrong

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I like trf.
youtube.com/watch?v=EgGnreyPmaQ
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People are making the mistake of thinking most jpop is just idol groups. Idol groups aren't even that popular in Japan. Sales are only so high because of the handshake ticket stuff.

A lot of jpop musicians/bands are popular and write their own stuff. Rock/jazz is super popular unlike Korea.

Korea has tons of idol groups and hardly any solo musicians or bands. I do like kpop but most of it starts to sound the same after a while. It's just nowhere near as diverse as jpop.

Toru Takemitsu, Toshi Ichiyanagi, to an extent Shin'ichirō Ikebe.

>comfy
aka boring

nooo but you don't understand! kpop is better because the girls are trained since they're embryos!

>whities dictating what is music

>hardly any solo musicians
that's blatantly wrong though

>dated

Easiest brainlet tell there is.

Takemitsu is dead, the other two aren't as relevant

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Compared to Japan I mean. And a lot of it is ballad shit. Nothing wrong with that but most of it sounds the same. The best thing coming from Korea right now is their indie scene, but it's so small literally everyone knows each other.

Reminder that white people never enslaved blacks. Jew merchants bought slaves from african tribes and sold them to americans. the slaves were already slaves of other blacks in africa.
Hard pill to swallow, I know.

>overproduced

that's just another way of saying "it's too layered/complex for my pleb ears"

Dude, I love kpop (the girls), but let's not pretend the music is complex or elaborated.

i don't like people calling rock bands j-pop and then comparing them to k-pop idol groups and saying "see j-pop is better than k-pop!"

if you just compare idol groups k-pop is vastly superior

youtube.com/watch?v=90M4uLTCwwo

a soulful man

But the topic was about pop. Not idol groups. Rock is popular in Japan. The simple fact is, jpop is diverse and kpop unfortunately isn't.

If we're only talking about idol groups, I prefer Korean idol groups to Japanese idol groups.

>pop music

>kpop unfortunately isn't
sounds like you haven't really looked into it
askakorean.blogspot.com/2017/05/k-pop-is-not-genre.html

Believe me, I have. I love kpop, I keep up with all the latest releases, it's just nowhere near as good as jpop.

It's like they're at least 10 years behind or something, I read that it's because foreign music was banned for a while or something and that's what caused it.

There's nobody in Korea on the level of Shiina Ringo, Seiko Oomori, Susumu Hirasawa or Jun Togawa who are all considered pop but they cover a wide range of genres and mostly write their own stuff (I'm not too bothered about that but it's nice that they do). I wish there was.

Most korean rock bands are generic and hardly anyone experiments with their sound, I don't know what it is, but it's hard to find good experimental/art pop musicians.

K-indie and rap is great though and on par with Japan, there's just so few musicians for some reason. Most indie artists in Seoul at least know each other and play shows with each other.

this is basically true for every pop from every country. that being said k-pop still less diverse

Thoughts on haihm?
youtu.be/YsPEKrz6U5w

Ha, she's actually one of my favourite musicians! I love her, she was supposed to release an album last year but it never happened. Hopefully it's out this year. Now her I can put on the same pedestal as the Japanese musicians I listed. Epik High, Aseul and Neon Bunny too. I shouldn't have said "nobody" but they're rare.

She has produced some stuff for Brown Eyed Girl years ago, I hope she's still open to producing for idol groups desu

Japs have flat noses and crooked teeth. Yellow fever is literally a fucking sin stop race mixing

10 years behind because it literally is?
dictator rule didn't end until the 90's?

They should’ve caught up by now though, in many areas they have but having diverse musicians isn’t their strong point

This is what roasties actually want people to believe.

change doesn't happen that fast except how their economy blew up, there still way back in alot of areas; corruption off the charts (burning sun) and public safety and regulations is still kind of a joke (sewol)
japan has a longer richer history, korea went from broke to nuveau rich - they only started to cater outwardly when SM guy went to USA and saw $$$ at MJ and Madonna.. even then they only started using western producers maybe the last decade

To be honest I don't know a lot about Korean history. But idol groups and solo musicians who release the same ballad over and over again are so popular, I don't see things changing for a while. Their music scene is really small when you don't include idols. Their indie scene is also tiny, it seems even Iceland for example has a more diverse scene.

Ok retard. Next you'll say "durrrrr plastic surgery"

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Since y’all seemed informed about japan’s music scene, any recs for music like what Hiroyuki Sawano makes. I assume it’s j-rock.

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Funnily enough, Lee SM founded the first Korean metal band...

>k-pop still less diverse
kpopalypse.com/2015/09/05/an-introduction-to-k-pop-music-genres/
kpopalypse.com/2015/10/31/an-introduction-to-k-pop-music-genres-part-2-more-stuff-and-things/

>It's like they're at least 10 years behind or something

you're talking about jpop right? kpop has been ahead of the game for awhile now in terms of production. jpop has been trying to catch up. their groups all sound dated.

>Shiina Ringo, Seiko Oomori, Susumu Hirasawa or Jun Togawa who are all considered pop

i consider them rock

Kpop and Jpop aren't even trying to do the same kind of music.

girls cute

>there is no pop rock

Lol. Both have Swedish writers.

does k-pop not have solo artists? people always talk about the girl groups and boybands and no one else.
also J-pop has more well known solo artists, their girl groups suck ass compared to k-pops though

>their girl groups suck ass compared to k-pops though
They make different kinds of music and I don't like the way Kpop sounds.

I swear to god almost all kinds of art forms ive seen from korea has been the most souless shit ever. Like compare korean manga to jap manga and there's a huge contrast to what those countries find aristic expression. Fuck worst korea