Is anyone familiar with Zorn’s classically oriented music? Are there any must-listen compositions? He has such a large discography, trawling it is kind of a task.
he's great until you realize he's copying trends done by plenty of better composers (Grisey, Scelsi, etc.)
Hunter Clark
Read a John Ruskin essay in which he claimed that artists who decorate their art with too many ornaments are greedy, but those who use too few are rude. Is this true? I don't like the minimalist compositions I've listened to, but I'd still be a bit sad if the guys who made them turned out to be rude people. It's just... kinda shitty of them, I suppose.
What does /classical/ think of Barbara Kolb? I heard Umbrian Colors on the radio and thought it was neat. youtu.be/c9JLaTF71sI
Gabriel Baker
Holy shit Jacobs' opening chorus is so fucking bad, no imagination whatsoever, not to mention he (like every conductor who's either autistic or doesn't know German) insists that the "Herr" shouts be sustained for the full duration of the quarter note, which effectively turns "Herr" (Lord) into "Heer" (army)
I prefer this one, the emphasis on the suspensions in the oboes, the general attention to dynamics (a rarity in Bach performances), and the choir actually considering the words they're singing do it for me: youtube.com/watch?v=2IaPsZ9y-0U
Landon Nelson
What are your thoughts on this Schumann quartet? Is it successful as a string quartet?
That's a dirty contrabassoon in the opening. I like it.
Cooper Thompson
I'm pretty sure Bach wrote all of the wind parts in that opening chorus to make people cringe, if they sound clean and not tortured at all you've basically missed the point
Jacob Russell
Yeah. It works. Usually barely hear it on most recordings.
Xavier Harris
It's pretty crazy he wrote this only in a few days
It kinda shows, especially in the finale. The first movement works unusually well for a 19th century sonata form, it's nice, concise and I like the whole riff on the starting with a predominant (à la Mozart K. 428 or Beethoven Op. 31 No. 3) combined with the falling fifth motiv, the whole idea of imitation in falling thirds works really well too, but compared to that super rich tonic area the secondary key area just kind of falls flat/is way too samey, which is amplified as a flaw by the fact that the recap of the tonic area pretty much overlaps with the end of the development
Caleb Cooper
Still, I think it's impressive nonetheless. The first movement is easily my favorite, though. I like the subtle tempo directions and the introduction sparks a great feeling of nostalgia.
I have trouble with the quartets of the romantic period in general, though. Even Brahms whose chamber music I mostly adore feels lacking to me - or perhaps I'm lacking. I easily get lost in them. I think the only one I've ever really loved from this era was Mendelssohn's Op. 80.
Austin Butler
ATONAL-PILL ME!
Isaiah Hughes
Atonality doesn't really exist.
I recommend listening to Schoenberg's piano pieces in chronological order, though.
I love and hate the ultra-schmaltzy first violin upper-voice pedal point at the end of the development/beginning of the recap in the first movement SO MUCH
Connor Diaz
Are Beethoven's early and mid quartets underrated? All anyone ever talks about are the late ones. The C major Rasumowsky in particular is so much fun.
Thomas Fisher
Ya-iiight
Tyler Adams
Not really a fan of the early quartets, but the Rasumowskies and the two non-set quartets are fucking amazing.
Henry Foster
Is totalism a classical movement?
James Phillips
Haha yeah, gives you a real good feeling of "holy fuck that is cheesy" and then simuteanously "holy fuck I love it." I feel that way about heavy string portamento on old recordings. Cheesy as fuck, but I love it anyway.
He tried to talk me into picking up tuba again once, he actually had a point about modern tubas having to wide of a bore to properly play the kind of music Wagner and Bruckner wrote
Thankfully, his successor - Stefan Gottfried - is really fucking good and I don't doubt he'll record nice things, too
Xavier Wood
>Thankfully, his successor - Stefan Gottfried - is really fucking good and I don't doubt he'll record nice things, too oh yeah i was listening to his recent Schubert recording and it was quite gutsy and good.
not quite sure what to make of that completion, though, but that aside it's probably the best recording i've heard of the completion thus far.
Grayson Fisher
Currentzis in Verdi's Requiem - the Libera me with Zarina Abaeva as soprano.
The whole performance is quite good, Currentzis being his usual self aside, the singers are actually competent. The soprano ppppp Bb at the end of the slow, quiet section of the Libera Me is so rarely done well, but here it is.
Michael Jones
Guess who saw those concerts live last summer :)
Also this is one of my favorite moments in Mozart, it always gets me and I *always* want the F7 in m. 91 to resolve immediately, but instead you get that beautiful circle of fifths progression, the beginning of which is so tantalizing to analyze - just writing it off as Gr6-E64-E7 doesn't do it justice at all, the A minor sonority sounds way to substantial for that and Mozart does everything to keep you from hearing the top-voice E-flat/D-sharp as a leading tone.
I can upload it for you, if you'd like. I haven't bothered to split the movements, though.
Nolan Fisher
>Guess who saw those concerts live last summer :) lucky you do you know if he intends to explore outside of Harnoncourt's repertoire? or are they mostly going to retread his ground?
Jaxon Gutierrez
>He tried to talk me into picking up tuba again once How've you been SDF?
Joseph King
That'd be cool, thanks.
Levi Phillips
Aww, the "tutta forza" stretto doesn't come close to cancer Fricsay. :(
idk, I haven't really been keeping up with their programming but afaik I know they've picked up stuff they haven't done since the 70s really, like Telemann, which is nice.
Unstable (why else would I be here?) but I avoided getting institutionalized and I'm still on track.
The headless audio is slightly edited with a bit of normalization and editing out a particularly annoying audience blip in the Dies irae. So pick your poison.
The bass is also quite good - and he can trill (hostias)! The tenor is probably the weakest link, but far from the worst I've heard. >Aww, the "tutta forza" stretto doesn't come close to cancer Fricsay. :( Yeah, I'm keeping Fricsay for that alone. Frankly it's one of his most inspired moments on record. Still, I would say I prefer Currentzis on the mean.
Ayden Bennett
I'm gonna try listening to this recording of Mahler's 2nd. Still interested in hearing what others think of this project so far. Also who should take over the orchestra in 2022 since based Vanska will be stepping down? >Unstable :( UChicago treating you well?
Jonathan Lopez
>but afaik I know they've picked up stuff they haven't done since the 70s really, like Telemann, which is nice. that's cool. thanks for the info. sad that Harnoncourt never got around to giving us his Wozzeck :)
Henry Harris
tfw retarded. As long as it isn't someone's phone or some retard like at that Mahler 9 concert I can live. Thanks again.
If you're talking about Vanska's Mahler I think it's quite decent with a good balance, but otherwise he's rather ho-hum in terms of his interpretation. Frankly speaking I find Harding to be a more interesting modern Mahlerian.
Yeah, they're supportive. I expected to be nixed in this yearly review, but apparently they're satisfied with my progress lol. It's just the bipolar shit making shit hard, I might just end up going old-school (lithium & psychoanalysis instead of antipsychotics giving me life-threatening dystonia or horrible weight gain & technocratic CBT/DBT bullshit).
DON'T REMIND ME
Xavier Miller
I'm not a big Mahlerite myself though I've been on a bit of a binge recently. I have Harding's 6th, what other stuff does he have? tfw
>what other stuff does he have? He has a 5th and 9th which is far more interesting than his performance of the 6th. The 9th in particular is absurdly well performed, probably one of the more virtuosic performances that I've heard of the 9th.
I am a little disappointed in the repertoire though I have to say, since I bought the tickets before it was announced what he was going to play. Would have really liked some Schubert and preferred the ballades over the scherzi. But oh well, they're still great pieces
Ryan Young
Nope. Mostly just basic student stuff playing near me unfortunately
Cannot upload images here, basically shadow banned form initiating threads. So I'll pos this here:
Why countries like Spain, Britain, Scandinavia in general did not produced as much Classical music as the Germans, Austrians or Italians? I mean, at least to the level of Russia and France?
Are you asking in terms of sheets of music or quality of music? I don't reall know either way, probably has to do with a religious practice and a comparative lack of patronage.
Michael Anderson
>Butt sounds like shit I guess that makes sense
Ryder Morales
its not as big of a gap as you think it is
Alexander Edwards
>Britain They have. Particularly around the late 19th century onwards.
>Scandinavia They have, particularly Finland.
>Spain They have.
Don't believe the eternal (((kraut))), my friend. France has an even deeper pool of classical composers compared to any of them. You do need to tackle things from a totally different path, but once you do it's a rich place that's bound to flourish. You do need to go before the times of Bach to start drawing that path.
Nolan Cook
thoughts on baroque pop
Andrew Murphy
Not true for Scandinavian countries, which is only natural given their very low population at the time.
Understandably so, I'd say per capita they've gone above and beyond in terms of results, but you're right, the overall ouvre doesn't really pick up until the 19th Century.
Daniel Foster
pfitzner
Adrian Flores
>I had a roommate at Princeton who became a music critic, Micheal Steinberg, and he wrote an article in the Times in which he claimed that there was a conspiracy to keep the music of Hans Pfitzner from being played. I remember reading that article and thinking to my self "what a good idea, how can I join this conspiracy?"
Jose Russell
Just some theories: Spain tanked it’s own economy, so probably not much patronage. Most of Scandinavia was, for a time, colonies of other nations, so not much interest in homegrown culture. England had a royal line with strong ties to Germany, so, again, not much interest in homegrown culture.
Angel Thompson
>Why yes, I do love to bvll post how could you tell?
No, but I had the idea to do it some time a-... WAIT, WHAT THE FUCK, I KNOW WHO THAT GUYS IS I KNOW THE DUDE FROM TWITTER HE'D CLOSE HIS ACCOUNT AND COME BACK MANY TIMES FOR SOME REASON HE KNOWS HOW THE PLAY THE VIOLIN HE LIKES YUME NIKKI AND HE'S STILL ALIVE!? Thank God! Thank you for posting this, user.
Okay fag can you give me his twitter so I can call him based
Jayden Morris
He's still gone. The dude deleted his account like over 6 months ago and he hasn't come back. I honestly thought the guy had killed himself or something.
Wyatt Richardson
le cringe meme man
Ethan Parker
I like both the comments on that video
Evan Lewis
okay now can someone tell me why are krauts so much better than the rest It's pop.
Grayson Wright
French*
Ayden Clark
No, I said "kraut". K-R-A-U-T, the best ones. And the second best would be the italians anyway, not french.
Luke Phillips
[spoiler]fugg you[/spoiler]
Nolan Price
>spoiler tags on Yea Forums you stupid nigger
Kayden Kelly
hey Yea Forumstants, I'm somewhat new to these threads and classical music in general, what are some composers that sound like Chopin that I can check out? He's my favorite
I know fuck all about classical music, I usually just put on random playlist since it sounds good most of the time, so I am a pure pleb.
I've usually had to skip over any Beethoven because all renditions have sounded terrible aspirin advertisements or like Disney films, no force or soul to them.
Then I was listening to one of Glenn Gould's Bach interpretations (1981 Goldberg I think) and Valentina Lisitsa was mentioned in comments as an equal piano player (and since I love GG, I had to check her out)
And this is heavenly, I stress that I could not listen to Beethoven interpretations because they sounded so sterile, generic, soulless, but this is probably the most impressive piano playing I've ever heard, like pure drugs into my brain, and I can finally listen to the old chap without wanting to fucking blow my brains out. I had gone through probably hundreds of fucking albums trying to get into him but this fucking did it.
Quick check from the archive shows that 'she is overrated trash only there because of her sex' (55 results), which I find absurd. But maybe that's because like I said am a pure pleb. But this is the best piano I've heard. It sounds so alive.
Sorry for absolutely incoherent posting I am down 1,2 liters of hard coffee.
Yeah like I said I just click 'playlist' in Youtube. I like his humming when he plays too.
Hudson Bell
>I like his humming when he plays too. Based
Isaac Williams
She's fucking boring. For (piano) Bach, listen to Andras Schiff. But a better idea would be to listen to Gustav Leonhardt or Masaaki Suzuki for (harpsichord) Bach; generally I like Suzuki more, but there's barely any performances by him on YT, so I just use Spotify instead. And listen to Kempff for Beethoven. Now drink some coffee and go listen to that Bach cantata about coffee or harpsichord stuff. >I like his humming when he plays too. Stop yourself before you say something stupid again.
I've listened to Wilhelm Kempff play Beethoven and I just want to fucking suck start a shotgun when I hear him, I can't help it. This is the first time I don't feel that urge, and her playing is the opposite of boring for me. First time I can listen to Beethoven really. I can't help it. Pleb is as pleb does.
>I've listened to Wilhelm Kempff play Beethoven and I just want to fucking suck start a shotgun when I hear him >Like fucking Lisitsa I don't think you have hope, user, and I'm sorry.
I'd like to tell to you that I'd give an extended explanation about why I don't like her playing, but honestly, I just want to drink tea and sleep rn so I'll just tell you that while personally I don't find her particularly bad (do consider that I can barely play the piano, I dedicate myself to other instruments), it is very average, and at least from my point of view people are right in saying that she's because she's a woman, she got popular thanks to YouTube after all, a place where people can *see* her play rather than just *listen* to her playing. You can get the same quality of performance from basically any person that is decent at the piano, even people you know irl. Also, that particular performance you posted is too slow for what I usually listen to; it is 48 seconds longer than the Kempff recording I have as my favorite, I'm surprised people in the comments talk about her "fast" playing.
I can see this comment is much longer than I wanted it to be and probably most of it is rambling, but whatever, tl;dr version is that she's average, she's popular 'cause she's a woman and she plays that movement too slow.
Please contemporary music that aren't sounding like asses
Matthew Kelly
>Germans, Austrians or Italians You know the Italians became irrelevant after the baroque and Germans/Austrians after Wagner and Brahms? Also France has a deeper musical heritage than any of the kraut countries, a heritage that stretches back all the way to the medieval times. There is a reason its call Franco-Flemish and the Notre Dame school
why does the Wikipedia page of that dude masturbates him so much >After 1923 he failed to secure a permanent conductorship in the UK despite richly deserving of that honor what is that doing in a Wikipedia article
Nicholas Foster
I got this record in a shop for cheap. The guy didn't stock classical music and had no idea why he had it so he sold it me for pennies. It was a good day.
Chase Lee
What exactly about Gould do people dislike?
Zachary Sullivan
Wikipedia is shit, only just realising that?
Probably their recording of Tye's Lawdes Deo but Savall and Figures's El Cant de la Sibil-la records are my favourite.
He wanted to record all of the handels keyboard suites on the harpsichord, but critics told him to fuck off same with his recording of the art of the fugue
That only confirms his retardation. Stravinsky is based af, why would anyone want or need to B him TFO?
Brandon Howard
>Stravinsky is based af that only confirms YOUR retardation, except for the rite of spring, firebird and petrushka (which were all written in his early career and he couldn't do anything like them for like 50 years of composing) this faggot was an absolute hack
Evan Gutierrez
Thanks?
Carson Parker
Well that's not true
John Russell
what masterpieces did he write other than these 3?
Nathaniel Carter
The violin concerto, threni, oedipus rex, les noces, symphony of psalms, concerto for two pianos, requiem canticles, agon, apollon musgate, the flood, etc.
Jayden Garcia
his violin concerto is interesting, otherwise every other work you listed is absolute shit
Confirmed for not knowing dick about Stravinsky. Agon, Symphony of Psalms, Pulcinella, his Violin Concerto, The Rake's Progress, among countless others.
