People who use huge effects boards like pic related are just trying to compensate for the fact that they cant play as...

Chris Ott goes into this in his shoegaze videos.

quality of music isnt based on how well the musicians can play their instruments
the sounds themselves can be more interesting than the performances

Pedal boards are like for when you playing to play a guitar like a synth. No right or wrong in music making, only that it "sounds good." Which is different than tricking things out, because that's not the objective. Pedals are stacks in the chain like the shit in your daw.

Some people take it to an excess, sure, but but pedals are still a tool like anything else in your arsenal. You use it towards an end of creating varied, interesting textures or expanding your dynamic range. A lot of my own techniques are tailored to the kinds of sounds I can get out of my pedalboard, it should always be a catalyst for creativity rather than a distraction from the final product (though that's not to say it isn't fun to experiment). Telling people how to make music "correctly" is dumb and ignore anyone who tries to say otherwise

Nah fuck you bud. I'm all about fun sounds.

Why not play a synth at that point? Embarrassing

>What makes you think you are doing something they arent?
What makes you think I want to sound like them?

Can this be a pedal porn thread now?

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pedal boards like pic related are fine
OP is right though, and these people with those types of boards can never play

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>Tuner
>MXR compressor
>Proco Rat
>SuperEgo
>Cathedral Stereo
>Ditto X4

My set up hasn't changed in like 3 years, but I literally can't see any more fitting in to my sound.

Too messy. Get a /fa/ pedal board and a decent power supply.

Yeah I'm working out what I want to keep before I commit to a board. Also with you on the power supply, for some reason I get a volume drop when I use my tremotron because it isnt outputting at exactly 9v.

come to the dark side:
>chorus
>flanger
>phaser
>vibe
>vibrato
>tremolo
>rotary sim
inb4 chorus sucks

biyang chorus is a great start its pretty cheap and sounds wonderful.
Im currently using a zvex lo-fi it makes me think of boards of canada sounds at times

Partially true desu. Just buy a multi effects processor. Owning 30 pedals is not only overkill but expensive as hell, especially compared to a decent single unit effects processor

>>chorus
>>flanger
>>phaser
>>tremolo
>>rotary sim
Used to have all these when I was in a synth rock band, but it becomes a nightmare to mix

I use $1000 worth of guitar pedals just to end up sounding like Masonna.

>The best guitarists in the world use minimal effects.
Not at all, you just don't see them carrying a pedalboard because they actually hire guys to control the effects externally.
Keep in mind, minimal usually includes any kind of preamp/overdrive, distortion/fuzz, any modulation effect (chorus/flanger/phaser) reverb and delay. Depending on the genre they might add a tremolo and wah.
It's really not that far out from the picture you just posted and most professional recording studios have an array of pedals covering these basic needs. You either only know shitters from your scene or haven't really put that much attention into the recordings.

it’s a known fact only people who can’t play care about the aesthetics of their boards

had to dismantle my board to rearrange but this is my set up

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get a job and stop hoarding shitty pedals
Kevin used a Guvnor not a Shredmaster

how often do you use the small tone?
there are zero bad pedals in that pic

>DS-1
>shitty chinese-made ZVex
>I give it two years before the switch or the pot gives out EHX phaser
>"Doesn't really sound like the Space Echo" RE-20
>the single most boring reverb Boss has ever produced
the only good pedal there is the DD-7

Ds-1 is a great pedal and many pro guitarists use it.
stop being such a pedal fag.

DS-1 is a reliable pedal and sounds great if you know how to properly tone it.
Other than some materials, there isn't really a difference in sound between a chinese zvex and a regular zvex. This has been the case for most chinese clones, I thought people already stopped taking myths as true.
That phaser is probably older than 2 years.
Not really an argument on why it is bad.
Not really an argument on why it is bad.

Who cares? Just play.

Nick Reinhart would like a word with you.

>pedal thread
>stop being such a pedal fag
DS-1 is a piece of shit, stop being a poorfag, pay double and get a RAT or an OCD.
I'll give you this one I just don't like Zachary Vex at all.
Why would you get the world's shittiest phaser when you can get Mutron clones for that same amount that won't shit out on you, I've never had an EHX pedal that didn't break down Mike is a jew.
>Pedal is advertised and even named after a unit it sounds nothing like
>hurrr well i suck boss cock so dont talk meanie things about it!
>there's literally tons of delays that don't sound as absolutely boring as the RV-5, even boss made one and it's called RV-3
>hurr that's not an argument!
fuck off
I wish Nick Reinhardt would shut up for once, it's hard seeing everybody hate on him super hard on twitter and those pedals and effects videos simply because he can't shut up.

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Oh man, you must be a total innovator. Sorry I made this thread.

Is the Boss reverb any good? I want a cheap one but need it to get spacious and not just tinny sounding

>pedal boards like pic related are fine
>posts picture of shitty pedal suitcase with loose wiring everywhere and half the pedals and power supply not even on the board
don't encourage bad habits

Get an Afterneath, Procession, or an RV-3.

>ocd
lmao can’t believe this isn’t b8
how’s life working at guitar center?

that’s Dylan Carlson’s setup. I think he knows what he’s doing

He does talk a lot but the guy can play. The effects just intensify the weirdness of his music, but he's a seriously good player.

Not bad I get to shitpost on Yea Forums when the manager isn't around.

Why do you assume i meant shredders?

maybe, but something about leaving the power supply on the fucking floor to get kicked around (rather than mounted to the board itself) sets me on edge

>DS-1 is a piece of shit
I'd agree the RAT is fantastic and better than the DS-1, but that doesn't make a DS-1 bad. Haven't tried the OCD, have the Fulldrive and love it.
I agree on EHX having poor assembly quality, but most of that shit is easy to fix.
Still not making arguments on why the last two are bad, if anything you're starting from an arbitrary point of view.

My favorite guitar players are uli jon roth and Michael schenker. Two guys who DO use minimal effects. To my knowledge, schenker only uses a wah pedal live.

This isnt an onion rock pedal enthusiast thread. Stop thread jacking you faggots.

>I've never had an EHX pedal that didn't break down
I've been using a key9 for the last 4 years on my board and it still works perfectly.

Ooops you didn't answer my question

Try again!
Also how can you replicate, say, a Fuzz Factory without pedals? Or maybe a Polyoctave Generator?

I love the aftermath and the procession. Have you played a dark star? That's pretty much my favorite pedal I own

>I've never had an EHX pedal that didn't break down
I bet you just used the Nanos with the incorrect power supply

Old school metal players like Schenker only have a Wah on stage. But they do have guys triggering the effects externally.
Usually, the bigger the band gets, the less effects you see them using directly live. Having roadies and guitar techs must be nice.

Based OP, I only use reverb and fuzz, get OD from the amp. My fav tone is an Vox cranked no effects. Nasty nasty!

How would you create an echo effect? Or an octave effect? Or a chorus or flange?

i make shoegaze with the minimum, and i write better music than any current shoegaze band

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OCD has a lot of settings that sound like the Fulldrive to my ears, there's some mini copies of it that aren't of that bad a quality so you don't have to spend more than $100 if you don't got 'em just lying around.
Maybe I just have bad luck with pedals cause I've also had a Boss tuner break on me, but I've owned like 5 EHX pedals (3 of them Big Muffs) and every single one has broken down on me, I don't buy EHX no more.
The RE-20 is nothing like the original which was a crazy tape delay, which you can't really replicate on a cheap pedal, and even then it costs too much for just some BOSS delay that doesn't do what it's advertised as doing, with that money you could get a regular digital delay or an analog one that gets fucky when you play with the knobs.
The RV-5 has less fun features than the RV-3, if you want a Reverb you could get so many different ones that have options like Reverse and Spring and other stuff than this vanilla-ass RV-5 doesn't have.
Sorry for chimping out on you.
I've wanted one for years but I'm saving up for a $350 LFL Goatkeeper I've wanted for 10 years. tfw third worlder
A friend got the Bananana Reverb thingy and that just blows the Dark Star out of the water hard though.
Two Russian Muffs, one Bass Muff, one NYC big box Big Muff, all needed one or two new pots and new switches after a few years. Also a Hot Tubes but that one didn't breaj.

>Two Russian Muffs, one Bass Muff, one NYC big box Big Muff,
So what you are saying, of all the hundreds of pedals EHX has manufactured, you just based your comment off a few old crusty BIg muffs?

OK

>Bluesdriver
>DS-1
You sound like shit though

Schenkers never played an arena innhis life and I.would classify him as a metal guitarist. He certainly wouldnt.

>What amps and effects do you take on the road?

I
>I use two JCM 50-watt Marshall two-channel amps and the Marshall cabinets with Celestion greenbacks. My only effects are a Dunlop Dimebag wah and a Boss delay and chorus. The other pedals are just volume controls, a Marshall footswitch, and a Boss tuner.

I bought the black Russian used from my bass teacher in the late 00's, who had it pretty much new in box.
Bought the Bass Muff when EHX first came out with it.
The NYC was new as well.
I didn't start playing a year ago, junior.

Non sequitur

The Cathedral is the opposite of minimum. Nice setup tho.

>few old crusty
>bought them all new
are you stupid or are U.S. farmers adding too much sugar to milk nowadays and flaring your ADHD up

>Fuzz on an OD amp
I assume you have a footswitch.
He probably doesn't want or need to. I own some weird pedals and not a single modulation one. Not my thing.
Ok, that's better. Still, for the price the boss space echo is not a bad delay. And I would def agree that the RV-3 is a better option than the RV-5, now more than ever as it looks like its price suddenly dropped.
Yeah, just checked his gear but I thought it was studio stuff.

but I want my guitar to sound like an interdimensional creature being raped with a chainsaw

>haha you need all those effects, what a loser!
>oh I just don't want/need to use them
kek

>And I would def agree that the RV-3 is a better option than the RV-5, now more than ever as it looks like its price suddenly dropped.
Don't even fucking remind me. Last of these I bought was 130 bucks and now I gotta sell it for 110 bucks, fuck.

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Anyone here builds pedals? Where are u all at?

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rate my board

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What beats me is when you discover that guitarists use massive pedalboards even though when you listen to their music they only seem to use distortion and maybe chorus or reverb.

well, that's what happens when the market gets saturated with "boutique" pedals and everyone starts calling everything else shit

Are you ready lads?

I thought Steel Panther already did that.

what type of music do you play
that's pretty ostentatious, but real good too yeah

I want to buy the colour theory pedal from alexander, but I keep finding other cool stuff suddenly. What kind of music do you make?

oh i dont play music, i just buy pedals

you don't fool me user, I see some mic stands there, tell us

Except you have them mounted on a pedalboard and clearly have a guitar plugged into them

Even worse when it's a bass player. I'm a bassist myself and I do have a handful, octave and filter are definitely useful, maybe even a little dirt, but when I see a bassists board with reverbs and delays on it I start to wonder if they ever perform live or even with other people at all.

Don’t feel bad, i’m a poorfag too!

My bassist does, and he ain't afraid of using them. Have heard we sound good, but who knows.

I'm a bass player and I have a pedalboard bigger than most guitarists in the scene so suck me.

>but when I see a bassists board with reverbs and delays on it I start to wonder if they ever perform live or even with other people at all.
What do you mean? Aren't you seeing them in a live setting in a band with other people?

Also, bass pedalboardfag here. I have been playing for longer than you've been alive, and I simply know how to use them seamlessly in a band context, adding to the texture without diminishing the role of the bass in a group.

link to your "music"

I feel like you're probably in high school so I'll explain this to you, if you have a pedal board you don't have to use every effect at the same time, you can turn them on and off very easily.

>needing effects

>he plays guitar and doesn't have a Big Sky

Slice of fried gold this thing

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Yes. How could you, say, bitcrush your guitar sound without one?

The better question is why would you want to.

>art should just be limited

lmao at your life right now

>tfw too poor
I'm happy with this baby, doe.

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How usable are all of the setting?? I’ve never seen this reverb pedal before today and I’ve been thinking about upgrading from my hall of fame which also has many different presets; only about 4 of which I’ve deemed actually usable though, seems to be a common trend in pedals

Bananana is the single most underrated guitar pedal maker, god bless that autistic guy.

> and i write better music than any current shoegaze band
Well then post your music so we can judge you then

It's kind of a niche thing, as all bananana effects are. It won't give you a clear reverb at any moment, but the last two modes are very interesting and probably won't hear it anywhere else. If you have the money, you should probably do as that guy said and invest on a Big Sky or an Avalanche Run. If you want something weirder, I would advice to check demo videos for the Abracadabra, I'm very happy with it.
I heard he hired more people recently, anyways, everything he has put out is crazy, underrated if you like weird shit.

>Source?

>Instant Lofi
Kino pedal 2bh.

Sounds like you're a poorfag. Low income corrrlates heavily with low IQ, which in turn is extremely correlated with low creativity.
More pedals is ALWAYS better.

Nice, yea I’m probably on a look into it. Don’t really wanna drop 300-400 on a Big Sky and don’t need to delay abilities of the Avalanche Run cause I’ve already got a great delay pedal. I’m all about manipulating weird sounds, especially cause I’ve got a sampler I usually feed my guitar through to record

>>tfw too poor
Know the feel. Got mine 2nd hand and it still cost a fortune.

That’s because you are retarded and think they use them all simultaneously, which nobody does.
>having more tools to sculpt your sound is bad
lmao at your life

>more pedals is always better

Yes more meme pedals so you can employ effects youll never use in music you cant play.

Face it, pedals are the equivalent of truck nuts on your F-150.

Just because you don't have a use for them doesn't mean everybody else in the world doesn't have one, user.

>MUH sound...

get over yourself dude. Youre not utilizing any of them in any meaningful or appealing way.

>do as I say
lel

>meaning isn't defined by the artist
OK

Your negativity surrounding pedals is quite clearly a projection of your own impaired ability to do them justice. It's true that pedals on their own won't make you a better player, or even make you sound better– but if you're too retarded to see them as an extension of what a "guitar" is capable of, then your tunnel-vision perspective isn't worth anyone's time

Damn, Ill never be enlightened enough to want my guitar to sound like sega genesis midi files.

then you need to play or listen to more sega genesis games/midi files

>creativity just isn't me thing
Oh well

And if you have ambitions to be a professional guitarist, no one will want you in their band if you don't have "professional" equipment that makes you not only more versatile than the competition, but infinitely more preferable to the average meathead that just cranks their amp, thinking they're god's gift to guitar, without any second consideration as to how it might blend with the other instrumentation.

Agree on always wanting to seek versatility on band members, but really depends on what you want and what you do. I call meatheads all the time to record stuff some local artists can't, just for the sake of saving recording time. By definition they're pro guitar players.

I was talking about in a live setting rather than in studio– besides, most studios offer a pretty wide range of pedals and after-effect trickery, so unless you have a really particular sound that requires your own personal rig, its probably not as important. As someone who's both been on tour and played a lot of function gigs, I can't stress how valuable a good pedalboard is

It becomes important as soon as money is on the table. I agree, it's way better when the artist already has its own meaning and direction well defined (and also can record their fucking parts). I was just thinking it's unfair to generalize on meatheads not being able to become pros. We're lucky guitar is such a popular instrument.

>*blocks your path*

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Technical skill on guitar might impress you, but it doesn't equal great music. The guitar is just a tool to make sounds, it doesn't have to fit into the small box you've created for it. Look at Ed O`Brien, he's used his guitar to provide atmosphere on some of the most highly regarded albums of all time. You are an absolute retard and I hope for your sake you're under 18. I probably felt the same way as you when I was 14.

I like Fusciante and all but why does he need all this shit to play shit-tier RHCP songs.

RHCP rhythm section during his time was fantastic. By the Way is probably their best album and I think it was mostly written by him. Full of guitar layering.

Because he plays about 20 songs per gig? If he uses one different pedal for 20 secs per song it justifies that setup you fucking mongoloid. 10 sec phaser? In 1 song out of a 2h gig? That's another pedal. Fuck this board why the fuck am I here, its filled with clueless zoomers

"need" is kind of a strong word, it is more like 'experimenting'. The pedals he actually "needed" to play rhcp tier songs are here.
>ds2
>fuzz
>ibanez wh10
>boss ce1

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the very essential from any RHCP ERA could be played with only

Thank you user, he's a neat dude I'm glad he doesn't have somebody taking a white-trash heroin-induced rap-pisstake over his riffs no more.
No thanks to you, sperg user.

You are a fucking idiot. If you are playing in a stadium band at the top of your game, why wouldn't you have a pedal setup to cover all of your needs for a 2h gig? Yea he won't use that when he's practising at home, but how much of a fucking clueless retard do you have to be to think that's what the setup would be for? Just fuck off for good and do us all a favor

I was talking about By The Way, but ok.

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I ain't going anywhere Junior, I've been here since 2003, suck my cock.
Why would John Fusciante need 6 Moog units for lmao. All the sounds he'd need for a gig are clean, dirty, chorusy, maybe delay, and the backwards thing for the Give It Away solo maybe. Do you really think he needs a DL-4 and MF-4 for Californication? He's playing RHCP not Melt-Banana or Tera Melos.

i wasn't even replying to you, why did you feel the need to say that?

None of that is 'needed' for the song to still be good. But those subtle changes that setup allows him to achieve in ambience, tone and aggressiveness which add a richness to the track. Imagine making a song in ableton but only allowing yourself to use a single setting on a vst for your lead sound, no eq, no plug ins. It's another creative avenue. To disregard this fact is to say that electronic music can't use anything that doesn't come stock with a vst. If this abaolgy still doesn't make sense then it's hopeless, you just don't get it.

Yea, he brings those for no reason other than to weigh down his pedal board. Holy shit do some research first maybe? Maybe what you listed is all he NEEDS to sound good but he was playing sold out stadiums in one of the biggest bands in the planet. Do you really think its unnecessary for him to go to any length (a few hundred to a thousand dollars worth of extra pedals) to give the best sound and performance possible? Even if its just for one or two songs? I'm honestly fucking baffled by how much of a retard you are to not understand this

A lot of working musicians use that much stuff because they're basically trying to replicate studio sounds live. The other kind of person that uses that much gear is usually some kind of noise musician with limited creativity, kind of similar to those people that own like 100k worth of synth modules but just make the kind of music you could get from running a recording of your fridge through audacity.

Wasn't implying that. I said that RHCP rhythm section was pretty good when he was there. Then said that By the Way is probably their best, mostly written by him and he certainly used more effects on that album, which is full of guitar layering. Never implied that he needed them to sound good, but certainly needed them to play those songs.

>hey John can you do the Danny California solo
>sure let me turn on this electric mistress and this english muffn and this holy grail and my two pds 1000 at the same time how does that sound
>Excellent man just like the records we could have not done this gig without them now let me rap over this shit
It's RHCP, not Minus the Bear lmao.

what the fuck lmao

You do realize RHCP have more albums after Californication, right?

Completely missed the point. Those effects are to provide the best possible version of their songs live. A pedal brought solely for a 3 second part of a song is not a big deal when you're playing to 80k people night after night. He isn't playing an open mic night with this you fucking ididots. When you're at that level, doing everything possible to provide the audience with the best possible sound is respectable, not stupid. I Can't understand how you can be posting on a music board but are unable to understand this.

Fucking idiots with their pedal boards turned this thread into a dick measuring contest. Fuck you and your cringey gimmicky effects board and MUH CREATIVITY

>dudddee duddde like why even learn to play guitar I can "create"so many abstract sounds with muh fuzzman 3000 like skill is subjective man.

Haha yeah . Jimmy only needed a Les Paul into a Marshall to make some of the most hard rockin tunes. Kids these days don't know what REAL ROCK N ROLL is about. I'm one of the few teens left that knows what it's all about.

You say Strymon, I say GIBSON LES PAUL
You say 4ms I say MARSHALL STACK
You say Eventide I say HOT EL34 TUBES

Keep the REAL ROCK alive OP

>t. small-brain unable to discuss

>OK John up next is Snow do that nice clean part
>OK just let me turn on 4 of my 6 Moogs and fuck with the expression pedal on my other Moog and do you want me to use this tremolo with a real tube in it?
>No I think the tremolo is a bit too much
It's RHCP, not MBV lmao.

>Tera Melos
Nick didn't become a pedalfag until like the 3rd Tera Melos album. Do you also call him out saying that he can play the essential Tera Melos with just a dl4.

Oh wow dude youre so like counter culture haha man popular things are STUPID right!?! Wow I love being a contrarian elitist faggot who listens to bands only 100 people have heard of. Kys.

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ROCK JUST ISN'T THE SAME AS IT WAS IN MY DAY

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You're talking like Kevin Shields didn't do the exact same thing.
>let me switch to this pedalboard just because this song requires me to move some knobs and I don't feel like to

How about, I can play guitar just the way someone with 3 pedals can, but I also have the option to shape my sound in whichever way I please. Lots or no guitar pedals don't define a musician, but getting upset because someone has a large pedal board is either envy or misunderstanding of the instrument. Classical guitar exists and you are free to listen to that. Manipulation of the electric guitar is it's identity.

do you understand maybe john just wanted the POSSIBILITY of using an effect live, even if he didn't use it live? they used to jam and improvise a lot, if he wanted something different it was there, if he ended up not using it, no problem.

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he doesn't need any effects to sound good though, I'd like to see anyone here play snow verse while singing the backing vocals with such heavenly voice

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No way dude, my religion is THE TEMPLE OF ROCK. Zep, KISS, AC fuckin DC. Shit, the last could go on and on.

If you don't like it you can kiss my ass. :)

If you think there's any close resemblance in the sound and execution of RHCP's and MBV's music I'm afraid I can't say I like the way you think, user.
Damn I'm glad John left this shitty fucking band, he really has such a good sound. You're right user if he needed all that shit to sound that good I guess I can allow it.

You have to a be a troll at this point or have zero reading comprehension. Those pedals will not be active for the majority of songs. In a band of that stature even being on for a second over the entire gig justifies their presence. I guess you have just accepted that you've been proven completely wrong so now you're pretending to be retarded. Don't feel bad, just stop posting and go to sleep.

>If you think there's any close resemblance in the sound and execution of RHCP's and MBV's music I'm afraid I can't say I like the way you think, user.
See, it wasn't hard to type like a normal person. All it took was someone oversimplifying what you like. Just because Agata and Nick use their pedals differently doesn't mean John is misusing his equipment.

he probably did that live, I don't know, why are you angry at John? and why do you need to namedrop all those bands?

I guess you're right user, I just think it's overtly ostentatious, like I said way back in my first post I like what John does so if he thinks he needs all that shit to do what he does, more power to him.
That's fine user you have defended this major rock band against my ass as good as you can, make sure to tell Anthony to pass you the needle once he's done with it, bleach it before using though.
Because I believe these bands are the opposite of RHCP, i.e. interesting bands with amazing sounds that pop out of your speakers. But I let my hate of RHCP cloud my respect for John Frusciante himself, he can really rip I hope his alimony payments aren't keeping him from buying more pedals.

Don't feel bad, it can be upsetting when you get proven wrong. I know the feeling, you do everything you can to deny it. It's OK though, this website is anonymous so if you accept that you've learned something then you're smarter than you were an hour ago

OK, but just for the record, namedropping has never added anything to an argument. Hope you don't do it irl, it always comes off as pretentious.

Sorry it took so long to reply user I went to get lunch. RHCP is a shit band that doesn't necessitate a spaceship of a pedalboard to play through all their repertoire.
That's fine user, I monkey out when it comes to RHCP and on any RHCP rant people always end up asking what I consider good music instead of RHCP and end up having to namedrop a lot of bands, I was just too quick to the curve this time, the bands I mentioned I mentioned simply because they use immense pedalboards as well. Even so I'm sure the difference between Agata and John Fusciante plugged straight into a medium gain Marshall would be monumental, you know? And I think a mid-gain Marshall with its footswitch is more than enough for RHCP.

Never mentioned that rhcp were good, nor did I say I liked them. Factually, they are a band who play some of the biggest gigs on the planet. To spent a few hundred extra dollars on pedals for tiny fractions of their songs is entirely justifiable. It's not needed, but it improves the experience, even if ever so slightly. At this point we've went full circle and you still seem incapable of grasping the purpose of the pedal board. I'm basically done with the thread but I'll keep an eye on it for more chances to point out how wrong you are

It surely is, but you can't compare the stuff agata carries with him nowadays with the mostly modulation effects john carried on his later days. Frusciante did a lot of improv live, even loud bands like Burma sounded mellower on their records.

There's not any single song in RHCP's repertoire that needs a DL4, two PD 1000s, and 6 Moog units, not even for one second, so.
>even loud bands like Burma sounded mellower on their records.
See? There's a good end in namedropping, you just named one of my favorite bands. I like you user thank you for choosing to mingle with me even though all I'm doing is angry shitposting.

Probably do it for separately. I mean, you mentioned Tera Melos and Nick carries a DL4 just for shits and giggles.

imagine saying you're music is better than any current shoegaze band then not posting it

either a fake "i write music guys i.e. one half baked riff when i was stoned" or fucking coward

either way i hope you have an enjoyable weekend

He's BSing people when he says he only sparingly uses it, it's probably his most important pedal, he even goes on length to talk about how he has to replace the foot switches on it every year cause he breaks it so much.

You fucking mongoloid, they're playing over 2h sets. Not every pedal is active in every song. If 10 of those pedals are used solely for a single second in one song each, they have a purpose on that board. He isn't bringing 6 of the same pedal for the fun of carrying it. Look up what he uses that setup for. When you play at that level, e ery effort to squeeze aas much quality out of your sound is welcome. What even is your argument here?

My argument is you're arguing RHCP is at a higher level just cause they play bigger venues, but their music is simplistic enough that he could do with half that pedalboard yeah. Do you really recall any single riff in RHCP live or studio history that needs 4 delay pedals?

Maybe not a song, but a whole set. I'm not sure how can that be hard to comprehend. He did a lot of layering in his later days, it's not like they're still a funk band.

Not at a higher level dumbass. Not that they are better than anyone else. Simply put they can justify such an extensive setup because they are playing to an insane amount of people and are accompanied by an entire full time crew to transport and setup their gear. At that point why not have a huge pedal board? That's the kind of effort expected of a band of that size when they sell 80k tickets at $80 each. I can't spell this out any more fucking simply, if you can't grasp that then there's no hope for you.

Why get good when you can get GAS

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>Simply put they can justify such an extensive setup because they are playing to an insane amount of people and are accompanied by an entire full time crew to transport and setup their gear. At that point why not have a huge pedal board?
Because it's gaudy as shit and in no way shape or form makes their shitty fucking music not suck any worse, duh. Half the bands I namedropped carry that amount of pedals to do insane looping shit and sounds out of this world, not for the last 2 seconds of the Can't Stop lead line bends or whatever.

And when was that the point? We get it, you like some experimental rock bands. Doesn't mean John didn't require the stuff he carried with him.

It's always been the point, you don't need a spaceship pedalboard to play something as shitty as RHCP lmao.

Oh, you went full circle. Carry on.

Will do, RHCP is a shit band and John Frusciante does not need 6 Moogs, 2 PSD 1000s and a DL-4 to play that music.

It doesn't matter what you think at all. Music is subjective and the usage of pedals isn't a dick measuring contest between bands. These pedals are for him to get his sound as good as he thinks it can be. Just because he doesn't use them for a purpose which you find acceptable doesn't mean that it's pointless. A couple of seconds of a particular sound can define a song. Props to him for caring so much when he could get away with running a minimalistic board. You should try to be less salty and appreciate people when they put effort into their craft

Except he did. Saying otherwise won't change it.

>It doesn't matter what you think at all. Music is subjective.
I mean then why even talk to me in the first place if this is gonna be your conclusion lmao, why ever have discussions about subjective things for that matter?
I mean I don't care about changing it it's just some stupid thing he did that I pointed out is pretty dumb considering the band he plays in.

He made a good argument about pedalboards not being a dick measuring contest.

He made a pretty shitty argument about how bands with more money are more deserving of carrying huge pedalboards around since they have roadies to carry them, yes.

He never implied that. Man, wtf is wrong with your reading comprehension. You're making a fool out of yourself.
Going back at shitposting won't make things better. Go ask Nick what he thinks about John if you want some validation.

Oh no, my conclusion is that you are absolutely retarded. We've circled around twice now and you can't seem to grasp that unless a pedal board is being used extensively then everything on it is worthless because its not needed. Possibly one of the dumbest things I've heard considering you're talking about a stadium guitarist. The only reason that is being mentioned is because due to this fact there are no downsides to him bringing a huge board. There's not much else to say other than you're wrong and your opinion is worthless. You've been proven wrong countless times in this thread with such efficency that I'm at a loss for how to make you understand. Maybe nietzsche was right, I'm not a fly swat, I should just let you be a fucking idiot in peace

Right here Also I won't ask Nick he's busy yelling at Trump's twitter.
I mean sure, you can say it's my fault for you deciding to have this conversation all you want but I'm not the one calling other people zoomers and cursing a Chinese foot-binding imageboard for not liking John Frusciante's ostentatious wang of a pedalboard.

When does he say they're more deserving?

Reading comprehension. Not more deserving in the slightest. However, there are no logical reasons for him not to bring the pedals, as he won't have to carry them around in his car, or spend ages setting them up between gigs. I can't believe I have to spell this out for you.

>They're not useless because he has enough money and crew to not have to set them up himself and carry them himself even though none of the songs they play even need them.
I see, I really am wrong user.
The part about justifying it, yeah.

That's not implying they're more deserving, jesus.

yep, that's a cring from me.

If you play open mic nights, carrying 20 pedals to your 3 song set which you have to set up yourself isn't very practical. It's not impossible, and if you feel like that would be a benefit to your sound then it's still absolutely worth it, but it obviously comes at a price, having more stuff to carry around and setup, make sure everything is powered, anything that needs batteries has been freshly changed etc. When you have a full time crew these negatives are gone. This makes it much more understandable as to why a pedal would be brought out for a single second of one song. Can you just not be so dumb for my own sanity please

>implying you have to be a good instrumentalist to create good music

He needs them to play a long set. He has them because he could affod it. I fail to see how is that hard to comprehend.
Would you shit on Nick because he has a shitload of pedals he doesn't use laying around his house?

>if you can't play 1/16 note scales at 975 bpm with perfect form then you don't deserve to run a reverb pedal

>le ebin boutique pedalboard xDDDDD

>John can you turn on four of your Moog things, the DL4, both of the PDS 1000s, the Mistress, that Tremolo with the tube in it, and your Micro Amp for this mid-tempo radio-friendly unit shifter?
>Sure can buddy, our entire crew made sure I could bring all these very important parts of my sound.
Right.
No, he brings what he needs on tour, but every time I see them he's pressing on each pedal multiple times throughout the set, he uses every single one of them, even his tuner. And he has to carry both of his pedalboards all on his own, he's my working class hero and he's gonna rip Joe Bonamassa a new one with this new tweet he's typing up.

Nick has more pedals that he will ever use either to record or to tour, same with his fuckbuddy Juan. Don't be a hypocrite.

Yes, and he has to use pretty much all of them all the time. His DL-4 sees use in Frozen Zoo, Warpless Run, Your Friends. He even uses his Rainbow Machine for Sunburn, Slimed, Kelly, and other shit. If he only used either of these big hulky boxes for just the one song I would of course say that it's retarded for him or his road crew to carry all that shit, but he uses every single one to its max potential to create some real far-out shit, not for a 5 second interval in Soul to Squeeze.

I have two Furman PQ-3 preamp parametric equalizers and a Lexicon PCM-41 delay unit that adds a lot of sustain and can also be used for a chorus effect. Thats all I need..pedal board fags btfo.

That's nice user, I have a girlfriend.

So do I...PC fags compensate for their tiny penises with overpowered GPUS, and guitar fags overcompensate with gimmicky flashy pedals

Both him and Juan have a shitload of pedals just on display for their videos. Don't pretend they both have used everything to record something or to tour.
And of course he carries what he needs. Same is the case for John.

Posting the same example that's been torn apart twice already in this thread won't help. You like a band who press their pedalsots, great. If people don't press their pedals as much, it doesn't matter. People don't bring 30 pedal setups to impress autists on mu like yourself, so get over it and try to appreciate different approaches to music. It's a very positive thing and you might just find your life gets a bit less miserable. I have no intention at this point of arguing with you any more because you're repeating yourself and it's already absolutely clear that you are an idiot, but I'm not abandoning thread yet.

Oh, damn. Yeah you're right. I'm guessing John should bring the multitude of pedals that he keeps at home on tour as well since has so much money for it, why not his collection of vintage Jaguars as well, and his divorce papers while he's at it. Fucking hypocritical Pedals and Effects making me think they only ever had the pedals in their boards and were keeping nothing at home.
Yeah, positive attitude is really gonna make RHCP stop sounding like shit even though John Frusciante has more pedals than you and I combined in one single pedalboard to play mid-tempo pop-rock drivel, thanks user my life is instantly better.

IMHO anyone who needs any tool to create music is not a musician. Maybe sound technicians or something

Are you so inconsistent with hitting notes that you have to use tools that do the exact notes you need when pressed/plucked/strummed? Pathetic

Singers are the only true musicians

lol, it can get shitty nasty. It has sweetspots and depends a bunch on the amp you are using. So it's like a studio thing.

Nope, because I'm not shitting on John, Juan or Nick. I just think your coming from a very hypocrite point of view.

You mean you should't use instruments and just write sheet music. You're even dumber than the guy who's been shitting on Frusciante.

I agree a little, I believe that big pedalboards are for studio use, composing and all that. But live, man you gotta go finessin' with the details, going with the best tone possibilities too. Smart playing. Smart gigging. I think. but yeah, people with bunch of effects doesn't even get the chance to use everything, we have just one feet to select sounds lol.

Instruments are for those who have no vocal talent

Fucking technicians. I'm glad technology is progressing at a pace that will render your lot obsolete

Instrument players have their place just like nurses, technicians, and janitors.

Well, hope you change the world's historical perception of music by posting here.

I applaud your commitment to being the peons of the music world

I agree on smart gigging, but also think these kinds of effects have never been as available to everyone in developed countries as of now. In certain aspects, if it makes artists want to prove something live, then it couldn't be that bad.
And I applaud your commitment to changing something that will remain the same throughout what's left of human life.

Sup

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You're just a status quo bitch just like the rest of these wretches holding back the music industry.

>I'm glad technology is progressing at a pace that will render your lot obsolete
Boy, do I have bad news for you
youtube.com/watch?v=XDUUQ4Bpre0

>enters thread to shitpost
>gets mad
that's not how it works

Eventually technology will be able to turn any shitty singer into a top tier one with the flick of a switch. Natural pitch correction, perfect realistic vocal variation, humanlike formant shifting, all automated in real time. We're not even that far off. Your death is coming, vocalists.

you're mistaking a need for a creative decision. You don't get to say where the instrument ends and the output begins, it's called the 'electric' guitar for a reason.

>singers are the only true musicians
and poets are the only true singers. actual singers are too consumed by vanity to say anything meaningful

are you a zebra?

Just having fun here

Eh, instruments will die off first. It'll take sophisticated AI to match true human vocals.

For instruments, we just need to complete collecting samples and when we're done y'all can just be simulated

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Are you me from college?

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>It'll take sophisticated AI to match true human vocals.
yeah but it'll take no time to make anyone sound like a superstar. we're still going to need vocalists, but it could be me or you or andrea bocelli and the result would be the same