Do you think he's happy about your choices?
Do you think he's happy about your choices?
Alexander Perez
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Nathaniel Rivera
If he's got any complaints, he's welcome to show up in person and let me know.
Isaac Lee
He's giving you time to get your shit together before He does. Good luck.
No, I hurt him every day with my sin but I cannot help myself and am a weak willed, wretched sinner. I pray and hope to grow my relationship with Him instead of neglecting that pull and directing my attention towards unimportant or sinful things. Thanks for letting me be honest about this, information gathering AI bot OP.
Blake White
I try my best to not be a jerk and don't fuck off with other people if necessary. Not like I'm an addict or something too. So maybe I'm not an exemplar christcuck but my way of life does align with the teachings.
Gabriel James
I don't live or dedicate my life to pooskins from over 1000 years ago.
Oliver Diaz
>He's giving you time to get your shit together before He does. Good luck.
That's a cop out, I'm doing well, treat people with respect and I do things to benefit my surrounding community.
So if he has any issues with me not believing in him until he proves himself to exist, that's his problem and he should remedy it.
William Cook
But why call yourself a christcuck though? Our actions are unimportant compared to our faith and relationship with God, that is all that matters, and if that is being done with full earnest, your actions will fall in line.
Mason Myers
Acting in accordance to your own personal, subjective morality has nothing to do with this.
God exists and wants to have a relationship with you but has given you free will to seek Him out first. It's your choice not knowing God, and when it comes time to designate where your soul goes forever, either with God, or away from Him, it will definitely be your problem. I'm not telling you what to do, if you don't want to get to know God, that's your choice, the important point I'm making really is that is YOUR and each of our own's choice whether we know God and accept His invitation into Heaven. If you don't want to spend eternity with God, He will not force you to.
Henry Cruz
Joshua Lee
He's dead and doesnt know about me or my choices .
John Walker
Yeah user, that is all well and good, but I have found no speck of evidence that the Christian is anything else but a story we tell each other to inspire ourselves to be better people.
As such he's fine, but his followers like you who try not to force shit on me, while still alluding to hell in case I don't get that I'm supposed to just give in and worship their god.
To be honest, when I'm dead I'll take the third option, which consists of telling god and the devil that they have no grounds to judge me and that I'll be on my way to find a less dogmatic afterlife.
Kevin James
>But why call yourself a christcuck though?
Because I do not agree with every single thing that Christianity stands for. Even if my faith in the Lord is big as I'm in accord to his teachings it doesn't mean I'm ok with every single detail. In my case I'm a Catholic and I fucking hate that filth that's called the Vatican. Filled with hypocrite pedophiles and the current Pope is nothing more than a commie that uses his position for political interest while keeping his façade.
>Our actions are unimportant compared to our faith and relationship, that is all that matters
I disagree. So I can be a pedophile, a murderer but as long as I have faith in the Lord I will be forgiven for those crimes? That's a lot of bullshit. Our actions are a medium to speak to the Lord too. If I do such bad things there's no place for me in Heaven.
>and if that is being done with full earnest, your actions will fall in line.
That's right. And exactly because of it is that I consider that mine does fall in line most of times. As everyone I'm a sinner too but I don't like commit heinous actions if possible.
Nicholas Ramirez
Yeah but He resurrected bro, did you miss that part? Even anti-christian skeptics who have looked at the existing historical evidence cannot confirm OR DENY that He resurrected, including up to 500+ witnesses, roman soldiers accounts, and physical evidence regarding the tomb and how impossible it would've been to take a body out unless the guards were in on it, which why would the same roman soldiers who tortured and killed Him give a single fuck about staging his resurrection? Time will tell eventually, but your being alive means God is giving you a chance to have a relationship with Him and repent of your sins.
Gavin Flores
that the christian god is anything*
Missed a deity there.
Levi James
you're an inspiration
Oliver Bailey
He never said I couldn't. So I did.
Pic related.
Ryder Reed
Resurrection my ass, that's superstitious bullshit that only ignorant retards believe.
Brody Howard
Good luck with that. Just know it's all within your free will, that's what matters. No one is forcing you research with earnest and truly try to understand God without your ego-driven bias which doesn't like hearing about rules that you have to follow preventing you from understanding the amazing mysteries of the Being responsible for your and my existence (upon which grounds He has to judge us, btw). I truly wish you well, stranger. I'm not surprised by your response in the least and don't expect to change your mind, I'm just telling you the truth, it's up to you to listen or not. Good luck and God bless, stranger, nothing really left to say.
David Moore
>without your ego-driven bias
Fuck you too user, that is your ego speaking, letting me know that you consider yourself a better person than me for having your faith.
I do everything I can to be a moral and ethical person, who shares what he has, who respects people around him. The only thing I don't do is sit around talking to people about a specific named god, within a specific structure.
If there is a God out there, I bet he's way more reasonable and kind than any of our religions make him up to be.
If god is truly godlike, the anger, vindictiveness and judgement of man would not be in his being.
Gavin Harris
I understand your annoyance at Christians. It actually just validates Jesus even more when you analyze it. We are not only imperfect, we are EVIL. We are INCLINED towards evil, we are selfish and egoic and this above all else is a major theme in the bible. So, the fact that christians are gross and disgusting is not a surprise and in fact expected, i just wish more christians were open about this rather than be a hypocrite trying hiding their sinful nature. Also, you must factor in the fact that evil loves to infiltrate sources of good. Even Jesus said in revelations "Ye who call yourself Jews, but are of your father, the devil". Jesus is not saying jews are of satan, but pointing out that satan has completely appropriated and taken on the identity of jews, who at one point were God's chosen people (and only for the purpose of demonstrating humanity's need for a savior and then setting up for the savior and fulfilling the very first prophecy in the bible (genesis 3:15). Anyway, what I'm saying is don't be ashamed to call yourself a follower of Christ, and don't let the stained reputation of other christians affect your own faith in God, that's all. That being said I 100% understand. I call myself catholic as well, but I have only disdain for the vatican and our current pope. I call myself catholic only because it was the original church started by the apostles, as far as I know, and is the original christianity, and the way I see it now is kind of how I see nationalism; For example, I love america but I hate our government; that doesn't mean I am going to stop calling myself and american, its like throwing the baby out with the bath water, especially when we are warned very clearly by Jesus himself that wolves and false shepherds would eventually fill the ranks of his church. I'm out of characters but I'll address your reply about murders and pedos in my reply.
William Rogers
He should just be thankful ive navigated the path he set before me without hard resetting someone.
Matthew Hall
alrighty, it's settled then! lol
Alright man good luck, I never said fuck you by the way, please don't project, all humans have egos and no one likes being told they are wrong, that's all I was saying. Morals and ethics are objectively assigned by an objective moral arbiter, otherwise it's a subjective set of standards that change to suit our conditions or desires. God is beyond reasonable but He also does have wrath in the same way you might feel wrath for someone who molested a child. The difference between God and us, is that His wrath is always right and justified. If there is a God out there, you should get to know Him. The bible isnt just one book written by a couple sheep fuckers like people like to say, its an epic collection of phenomena recorded over century span gaps of time by different groups of people witnessing connected phenomena, neglect this important historical record at your own peril. Good luck, again!
Yes, you can be a pedo and a murderer and still be forgiven, that's the power of God's forgiveness, but your faith and repentance must be earnest to the core of your heart and there's no lying to God, so its very unlikely a willful, life long kid molester or serial killer like that will ever truly turn to God, as their heart belongs to evil, and they are destined for perdition. Also, It was inaccurate for me to say your actions don't matter, as your actions are a reflection of your faith, what I mean is that you cannot earn forgiveness and salvation through your works.
Adam Wright
Obviously not. I am yet a sinner. Everyday I take up the hammer and drive the spikes into his hands to nail him into that cross for my portion of humanities past present and future sins. The best part though is that I am forgiven, by grace through my faith in Him
>I call myself catholic
wew lad at all the feral atheists itt, and good that you can answer them intelligently, but if you have nothing but contempt for the Pope and the Vatican as the vicar of Christ then you're not a Catholic but are in protest (ant). I am a Baptist which isn't a Protestant religion though.
Jaxson Jenkins
>perdition
Where is that in the bible? I see only an eternal firery hell with weeping and gnashing of teeth burning in a lake of fire endlessly
Juan Foster
also, one more thing, I never said I was a better person and don't believe that at all, read my reply here where I call humans (very much including myself) evil. Again, I wish you luck, I can understand the emnity, as I'm sure you've had negative experiences with hypocritical or rude religious people. I'm not religious, I just believe the man named Jesus was God in the flesh, come down into our reality to invite us into His reality if we so choose.
Jordan Sanchez
Get this shit off my Yea Forums
Jose Barnes
>I never said fuck you by the way,
I know, I got offended at you calling my way of life ego driven, when you are the one polishing your halo while acting like your way of life is the only correct one.
> all humans have egos and no one likes being told they are wrong, that's all I was saying.
Yes, you're wrong in asserting these things about god when you can't prove them. The notion that I have to seek him out and actively believe in him to get any evidence of his existence is a cop out. It's a way of saying "I'm right, but you're obligated to convince yourself that I am right, because otherwise you're going to hell".
>Morals and ethics are objectively assigned by an objective moral arbiter, otherwise it's a subjective set of standards that change to suit our conditions or desires.
You're speaking like a commie now, no morals and ethics aren't a social construct that we can arbitrarily change, they evolved into us through natural selection. You can't patent them to your religion either, because other religions espouse similar views without being Abrahamic.
The rest of your post is special pleading.
Nathan Moore
I know you mean well but Christ tells us to not cast pearls to swine. that kid is either reprobated or just an outright demonic Jew - in either case beyond salvation. Know when to brush the dust off your sandals and move on.
Justin Gomez
It's simply how I feel user. If you find it as a good position then I'll take it as a compliment.
I'm not ashamed at all to say I'm a follower of Christ user, but I don't feel comfy calling myself a full-fledged "Christian" with our current situation, my faith in the Lord is unshaken by men's action as I became a follower by my own volition when his teaching resonated with how I feel I should live my life so rest assure about that point. And yes you're right, Evil does infíltrate sources of good and it is our duty to discern it and avoid it.
In the case of murder. I understand that there could be a situation where there's no other choice but to take another person's life, maybe to protect yourself or to protect someone else. That I agree it can be forgiven if you really didn't have any other choice and you really feel repentance about it. He will forgive you if something like that happens, or at least that's what I feel.
As for being a pederast I'm sorry but I can't see it but as a way to inflict pain to an immature being. I know it may be short-sighted on my part but that's how I see it.
Ryan Ward
>imagine saving that to your computer.
Connor Nelson
>Yes, you can be a pedo and a murderer and still be forgiven, that's the power of God's forgiveness...
They would still temporarily go to hell though.
William Gutierrez
How does holding contempt for people who are infiltrating and corrupting the original purpose and actions of an organization make you anti-that organization? Like my previous reply here That's like saying I'm not an american just because I hate that our current president is a NWO asset and our country is currently a puppet state for israel. That doesn't mean I don't still love and support my country. Anyway, it's something I still go back and forth on myself, so don't take any aggression from this reply, just telling you my honest response. It's good to see your first reply to OP, so many christians are incapable of accepting their wickedness. I can't control my sin as well, but I try to think about how much it hurts Jesus each time I do, the savior that I claim to love. It's painful to indulge in, but it comes so naturally. I pray that God takes my free will away from me once I pass this mortal vessel so that I can only do His will forever and ever in Heaven.
"eternal firey hell with weeping and gnashing of teeth burning in a lake of fire endlessly" yeah, that sounds like perdition to me.
Samuel Campbell
>that kid is either reprobated
I'm a very principled person actually and no I am not jewish or demonic. Thank you for proving my point about religious people though.
Luke Roberts
>they evolved into us through natural selection.
Objectively false. Christian ethics are not biological. Ask any feral tribe that hack people to death or canabalize or a million other examples. It seems natural to you perhaps, because you grew up in a sheltered western country which to this day benefits from the afterglow if a Christian culture.
Alexander Morgan
You made it clear you're neither moral or principled. I'm not the same person btw dumby.
Eli Myers
Read Mutual Aid by Kropotkin.
Jordan Jenkins
You don't know enough about me to make an assessment like that, you just wanna badmouth me for not sharing your faith.
Nathaniel Russell
Isaiah James
I think I generally try to do as good of a job as I can. My big sins are probably that I live with my girlfriend and we aren't married, and gluttony, which I'm working on.
Cooper Collins
yeah, I'ma take advice here, you are actively not listening to me, all you're doing is projecting things onto me, at this point you're just talking to some self-righteous made up christian caricature in your mind and not me. Good luck, stranger, truly!
Yeah, I fully understand your position in not wanting to call yourself christian, like I said here I don't even like to say I'm religious, I just believe that the massive amount of historical and personal evidence suggests that Jesus truly was an avatar or direct begotten human incarnation of the Creator of all things. I also understand not wanting to accept that certain evil, atrocity committing people can be forgiven by God. I have struggled with this as well, as the thought of a child raping murderer in heaven for eternity does not sit right with me, but like i said, their repetence and faith would have to be real, and for a person like that to earnestly turn to God is so miniscule, I think it's likely impossible to happen with most of those people. Likely, people like this might outwardly claim to be christian for their own image or in a desperate half-assed attempt to save their own soul, which God can see through. That being said, in the case that a person like that has true faith and their repentance is truly real, then I just simply ask who are you to argue with God's judgement?
Evan Perez
Yeah I believe this as well. I think if a kid molestor's or murderer's faith in Jesus and desire to repent is real, they would turn themselves in and they would suffer in their life probably quite a bit.
Jordan Barnes
I don’t think about him at all, user.
Jaxon Myers
>American analogy
You don't sound American either. Its ok. Once you realize that you should morally vote for christians you'll never vote again. Republicans are far more evil than Democrats. The democrats openly hate us and wish us death, but at least they are honest and plain with their intent. Republicans also hate us, but lie and when able to affect change with absolute veto proof majorities they do nothing to help us, and still expect our vote.
In any case, you sound like a bad Catholic. What part of God's inerrant word mentions the pope? I saw a video of him eating once...all I could think of is if this man has a one way hotline to God how selfish of him to stop praying for a single minute to even eat.
>Perdition
I'll help you, perdition is not in the bible.
Adrian Sanchez
its like you have a complex of being victimized by religous people calling you bad. No one is saying they are better than you or is even trying to convert you, just reread whats been exchanged in your replies, and yet all you can say is that they think they're better than you and are being mean because you're a non believer. lol its just funny at this point
Michael Lee
I know plenty enough. Romans 1 tells me everything I need to know about you.
Ryder Ross
Jesus is gay and he TOPPED me in the closet and God saw Jesus TOP me in the closet and we made a poo baby and I saw one of the poo babies and he looked at me.
Andrew Powell
I'm not happy with his.
Henry Brooks
Did Christ pay the full price or not? He forgave Paul (mass murderer) who literally hunted down and butchered christians,, peter who denied Christ repeatedly and when tasked with spreading the gospel worldwide after literally witnessing a risen savior... he went fishing and recruited other apostles to do nothing along with him.
Xavier Walker
I'm not really sure what you're trying to say about being american. I don't care about the red vs blue mind trap. I also said I don't respect the pope, but still call myself catholic, and also explained how both of those things can be possible in my previous analogy. Jesus led the apostles, and the apostles started the catholic church and so I belong to that church. Simple as. Doesn't mean I agree with anything those who have stolen power of the church and now fully run it. Jesus said in revelations "Ye who call yourself jews, but are of your father, the devil", it's a reference to how this has happened before. Satan recnogized that the Jews were God's chosen people, and the identity of "Jew" has been completely appropriated by satanists, that doesn't change the original significance of the real chosen people known as jews before their infiltration. The catholic church is fully infiltrated, but I still don't mind saying I am a member of Jesus's original church.
Also, Thessalonians 2-2:3 "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"
Even if the word perdition wasn't mentioned in the bible, I was simply using it as a single word to describe hell but now we're just splitting hairs about petty things
Cameron Davis
>Simpsons reference
kek
Isaac Ramirez
>tries to meme about being an apostolic while actively in protest against the 'infallible vicar'
The ironing is palpable. Just take the dive into sedevacantism at least
Juan Hughes
You have come off as unnecessarily rude in our interaction, but I will look into sedevacantism and boookmark it, but maybe you could elaborate on why you find what I said ironic instead of condescending to someone who I would hope you see as a brother in Christ, if not at least just a fellow soul trying to earnestly understand and follow God
Gabriel Richardson
New to the thread, as should be displayed
You seem to be fairly ignorant of the common pitfalls of online tradthotery which is a good thing and a blessing to you.
Do not value authority and age as much as being consistent and correct above all things
After all, even the Synagogue of Satan believes itself the "true" inheritors to promises already fulfilled through outsiders.
Test the doctrines with will, don't simply accept them and forget the things you have been taught by your readings
If you are not reading the word of God, read it daily or weekly or as often as you can bear and increase that time.
It is superlatively important that you APPLY the doctrines and DO the will of God, because even the demons merely KNOW and they are not idle to sit around as men are, but you and I both know you are not idle in neutral acts
I don't support sedevanactism in any more than that it is a step away from anti-sectarian Christianity, but if you have desire to know more about it, then learn from the harshest teachers available
youtube.com
Even I believe these men go too far too often, but coming from the papist view, even if you wholly believe in what is presented by that system, it is set against itself in a way which does not stand.
The way is narrow and few will find it, no organization can change that Truth.
Ethan Parker
This is the kind of post I hope to discover when I enter christian threads. You're right on about applying the word. I feel like a buffet for demons all day long because they know I have no will power for enacting God's will even though my mind is fully enveloped around God and the word of the God that I can manage to remember. I need to read the bible more often. I feel pulled to it, but then after a few days or weeks, I feel a constant berating series of temptations pulling me away from daily practice. I guess that's the point of a spiritual battle, but I hate it. Anyway thanks for the thread to pull on, the Truth is definitely independent of any group of people.
Nicholas Torres
>Jesus led the apostles, and the apostles started the catholic church
Luke 9:49-50 And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us. And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.
What is this? Followers of Christ who refused to listen to and follow Peter and his church. Isn't that Jesus painfully rebuking Peter? The Baptist Church was founded by John the Baptist, not Peter
Mason Peterson
If you engage with people online about these topics, there will be a myriad of horrible doctrinal loops you'll end up noticing after the years of reading more and more of every document and dogma until you realize one thing.
That the men who sit on their laurels (of reading doctrine) do not love others as themselves nor do they love God with all that they are.
Once that is revealed, all the spats about this club saving or that club saving become the sands that they've built their houses on.
Just stay offline if you can help it, there is no good faith discussion possible these days, it seems.
John Garcia
>Perdition
At least you admit is not in the Bible. It's holy a doctrine supported only by the writings of pokes. I'll stick to the Bible which says hell is eternal.
Dylan Brooks
Discussing doctrine amongst fellow brothers in Christ can be beneficial, especially for those who aren't aware of where a doctrine came from or the interpretation. It's not a fruitful endeavor to discuss doctrine with a sniveling atheist or with someone who refuses to open a Bible and read.
However, your post reads as if you've entirely given up on spreading the gospel to others. How about instead we concentrate on common ground? I'm sure we would both agree that we are Christian followers of Christ and that he is the son of God. Agreeing on the fundamentals should be the basis of any Christian discussion and finding common ground should be the basis for any debate in general, before you can Branch out and find the first deviation from agreement and debate it
William Hall
This is what I point to when I talk about such things
en.wikipedia.org
If there is departure from this (luciferian, mohommedean, or in any way in violation of Revelation 22 in addition to other less severe warnings about altering the word of God) then that person is not Christian, as they take Christ to be someone who He isn't and portrays Him or God the Father as someone they are not
I talk to everyone I can about such things, but I invest nothing into the chans or any irreverent place where I do not know the name and personhood of who I am addressing. There are avenues for everyone, and talking with those who you can influence will bear more fruit than engaging in social duels with those who have chosen the World and Sin for immovable reasons
Recall what I and the Lord has said, the way is narrow and few will find it, those who are called are not called by the will of men (such as you or me) but by God, do not believe that you can even be responsible for "saving" someone by carrying the word you received freely from another sinner unworthy of that good news to another.
Not that you shouldn't ever, but as I said, the internet, specifically this part and most parts are so tainted with bad faith discourse weighed by a degrading and degenerate culture that it's not worth it with randoms. Unless they are, like you, willing to talk.
Daniel Ross
Cuuuutt that bitch off
Austin Bailey
Can you explain how this quote has anything to do with Peter and his church? Wasn't the catholic church only started after Jesus's ressurection? This is a genuine question, maybe I'm wrong, but I thought this quote was addressing directly that there was a man not of the apostles, the chosen followers of Christ, was acting in Christs name, but that Christ permitted and encouraged this? How is that relevant to still calling yourself a catholic? Its all semantics in the end anyway because its just a label, in reality I am someone who draws from all christian sources and no organization comes before the word of God Himself, the bible.
In any case, what your pointing out about the church whether bapist or catholic holds true to any other proclaimed righteous authority of Christ, which is that if the authority/organization is in opposition to Christ, they must not be called christian anymore, as I am assuming you are accusing the catholic church of.
I see what you're getting at and yes i've seen it as well, i think it's whats happening with the other post i just replied to. It's just pride or what new agers call ego of the people who want to 1up all others at being the most christian or best christian. It's plain to see but i still try to engage for the benefit of the doubt. I'm sure you're right about staying offline, i need to just read the bible over and over before anything really. That being said, I've learned so much through the internet but also have been exposed to soul scarring things as well, so all in all yah i still agree the internet is mostly bad. Still grateful for this interaction though.
Lucas Morris
Did you not read the quote right before i said EVEN IT WASN'T in the bible, meaning it is? You're reading comprehension is lacking or perhaps you read what you want to read.
Blake Martinez
>I'll stick to the Bible which says hell is eternal.
also, do you know the definition of the word perdition? Maybe that's where the confusion is coming from, I would link it but that would feel condescending.
Jaxson Ross
Yeah this guy knows whats up. First person interactions as God designed for us to communicate is 100% the best way of discussing and learning about God. That being said, I've had a lot of great conversations that I'm sure only would've been better in person, and even if there's no talking with these people again or even knowing their names, the content and quality of what I've learning and discussed has been of precious value, especially for how rarely it does happen. What keeps you coming here, if you don't mind me asking?