Why is it so incredibly hard to get women as an average male? It seems like standards have never been higher

Why is it so incredibly hard to get women as an average male? It seems like standards have never been higher.

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try being a genuinely ugly guy; nonetheless, it's not about who has it worse. maybe we just have shitty personalities, or maybe they just plain suck.

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>to get women as an average male
Because most women stay women and never become am average male.

Need to put more weighting into the "C" in the S.P.E.C.I.A.L. skills. Being able to talk is vastly underrated. Slightly above average here, which helps. I can tell you that talking has gotten me into more good situations than my looks ever did. Unattractive people around the world are getting laid all the time. They've just learned to accept themselves and talk to people.

How do you learn?

Repetition. Figure you'll sperg out at first. Likely need a special pillow after all the facepalms taken in the bathroom after said events. Keep going anyway. Eventually your lack of socialization will start to diminish and you'll be able to converse and learn what's normal conversation. Expect less frequent facepalms here. I started as a major introvert. Super smart kid who didn't talk to anyone and got picked on a lot. Eventually hit high school and got took in by a crowd of people. Super aspie and didn't realize one of the chicks liked me. Never really did anything about it. Got socialized with people who accepted me and became less Spergy Brewster. It all takes time. Find a group of people who are like you and converse. Build from there. Eventually you'll fuck up and become more of an extrovert because you actually talk and one day you'll facepalm one last time when you finally realize you changed.

OP here. I am introverted in the way that I need to recharge from social situations. But I never had problems just talking to people. Always had a decent amount of friends. Attended more parties than I can count. Yet, my social skills only developed so far. I can hold a conversation but I am not witty, or funny, or eloquent or charming.

Just stick to exposure therapy. You'll pick up social stamina (for lack of a better term). You may lack certain qualities, but even a failed joke is something that can be funny, to the right person. Expand your social circle if it's small. It's like buying more lottery tickets. The more chances you have available, the more likely to hit a jackpot. Also, stop giving a fuck. If you are aiming to find something, you're likely to try too hard and fuck it up. Just be. There's always someone out there for everyone. It just sucks having to be patient and wait for the one person who likes your stink bait. Don't get discouraged.
That's how we ended up with the incels in the first place.

To be clear. I am already 35. Don't believe that my personality will significantly change anymore.

Women are delusional and think that they're entitled to a top 20% man when they themselves are a 5'1 190 lb 3/10 Goblina.
Now, when they hit 30 and realize "Oh, fuck I'm running out of time to have a family, and children, and not be a dog mom roastie!", then they start to act like they're suddenly more matured and sensible and 'know who they are'.
My ass you know who you are, and I have beachfront property on Kansas I'd like to sell to you. You're now desperate and want stability after having been ran through by Chad, Brad, and Tyrone, and see someone who was initially 'beneath' them as a potential suitor. Don't fall for it fellas. Stay strong. Let the thotty-otties stay childless dog mom roasties. They deserve it.

>Now, when they hit 30 and realize "Oh, fuck I'm running out of time to have a family, and children, and not be a dog mom roastie!", then they start to act like they're suddenly more matured and sensible and 'know who they are'.

OP here. This isn't true in my opinion. I am in my mid 30s now and I find dating in my 30s more difficult than dating in my 20s. 30+ women have still insane standards

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When they turn 35 and hit the wall they start getting desperate and fuck whatever they have available.

Date 40s, fuck 20s.

Neither are interested.

Have you tried just using the more lame/serious dating apps? Even POF is still a meat market. 37 here btw

Well... fuck. Running out of real estate here. Need a way to find people with similar interests. Meetup.coom or some other such nonsense. Going to have to get out of whatever area you're in. Not sure if fit enough, but hiking way outside of town (think hour plus drive away) may cause you to meet people you wouldn't normally run into. If you're in the city, finding some rural chick outside of town that has different measurements for what she wants (that are more realistic) may help. Umbrella melting in this acid rain of a situation you're presenting.

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i cant even read your text becuse its so gay. sorry. good luck in your gay

Only used Hinge, Bumble and Tinder.

>Not sure if fit enough, but hiking way outside of town (think hour plus drive away) may cause you to meet people you wouldn't normally run into.

I'm very much into outdoor stuff (primarily rock climbing). I am not super fit, but I have at least an average physique (picrel).

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You look better than I do and I am quite comfortable with my success with women. Maybe it’s a problem with the type of woman you target?

Hard to meet chicks climbing rockface. Hiking/canoeing may be the ticket for you. Canoeing on holiday weekends is especially good, and we have some of those coming up soon. Local Ninja gyms if you have any might be a good place or other clubs of the like. Could just concentrate on work and get paid and then scoop up a twenty something who wants stability if you're willing to be patient. I'd just enjoy being single and wait for the divorcee's to pop. Also, class reunions are a thing. Never been to one, but it's built in commonality.

I don't even know if I have a type. Whenever I see someone at a party or bar who looks nice, I chat her up.

>Could just concentrate on work and get paid and then scoop up a twenty something who wants stability if you're willing to be patient.

As I said, I am already in my mid 30s. I make about 200k a year but I live in a HCOL city so it isn't a lot.

Chasing happiness itself only makes you unhappy.

Stop chasing love or a lay. They will come to you when you stop actively seeking them out. It makes you look desperate otherwise.
Taking care of yourself is initially the most attractive thing for humans.

Online dating taking off really hurt. Now women can match with the top 10% on tinder very easily and get a much better quality dude than if she were to frequent the bar every weekend in search of one.

Women can match with a dude in the afternoon and fuck him by evening time if he is attractive and witty enough. Average dudes have no chance against that

You don't have to be fit, you have to be successful. Women are whores.

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mail order brides are the only way to get a quality girl. otherwise you will settle for a landwhale single mom roastie

Yeah wtf dude, we look real similar and I meet girls all the damn time. You gotta be throwing some kind of weird vibe or something. I know it was already said but yeah, just chill and be you, you’re attractive enough that it alone could carry you. Are you approaching anyone or waiting for them to?

Also, sometimes you just gotta slam a couple chubbies to get your mojo back. It’s a real thing.

>Are you approaching anyone or waiting for them to?

I am approaching. I generally have no problems saying "hi" to people. It's just that it never goes anywhere.

In terms of waiting for them, this is not something which happens. I never had a girl approach me or even show interest in any way.

Probably because you're seeking out above average women because internet porn has fucked your standards beyond a reasonable doubt.

Women can smell neediness ten miles away.

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Try reading more, forcing yourself to new experiences. That way you have something interesting to talk about, and maybe even find common ground with someone that can lead to a valid relationship

No idea who is in my league. It is very hard to tell.

Work from the bottom up user, I'm not saying they have to be deformed or retarded, but perhaps just plain Jane's

OP here. There are many evenings where I am out but actually don't give a fuck about women. But then, I also don't approach.

If remote work is a possibility, move. The one thing COVID gave us is a lot more remote work opportunity. If 200k isn't good money where you are, it would be elsewhere. Most of Yea Forums would likely give their left nut to have that paygrade. From the sound of it, you live in a major metropolitan area with high demand housing. NY/LA/etc etc. Maybe it's just time to re-settle somewhere else. If 200k ain't doing it, and doing it well, you're just paying someone else for the privilege of living where you are living, and not getting much else outta life but a paycheck and a lifestyle you aren't happy with. That's all I've got for you.

I'm in NYC. Remote work is currently not possible.

How tf is remote work not possible in NYC?

Are you sure you're actually as unsuccessful as you think? How do women react to you?

Because my job requires me to be on location.

35 year old virgin. So yeah, I am not particularly successful with women.

But how do they act in a conversation? Are you able to be acquaintances or friends?

So get a different job sure the process is annoying but it's not that hard

Women can't commit to anything if they think they have a choice.
Have you seen them try to pick out a tomato in the stofiles.catbox.moe/h2rhbb.webmre?

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Okay. It's down to either live in NYC and work that hand you've dealt yourself, or find a different location with a LCOL and a HQOL. Should just come down here to Nashville. Hot job market. LCOL, comparatively speaking. Plus we don't have shit weather most of the year. People here are actually friendly, for the most part.
Probably freak-you-out level of friendly. Plenty of other places down here in the south you could move (don't believe all the stereotypes, btw) and you could actually find someone who is actually realistic. Even if it's a bad call, it'll be a good time.

I never had problems having female friends. During my university years, most of my friends were female. I just never hit it off with anyone.

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You've got 'first husband' energy, then. You're the type to follow all the rules and let society take its course and that would easily net you a family at least most times. In your case though, you'll probably need a bit more spice and attention to get it locked down.

How's the biotech industry in Nashville?

I've heard so often that I am such a great guy and that I eventually will find someone. And I had my female friends tell me so often that they would set me up with someone or be on the lookout if a girl shows signs that she is interested. Never happened.

Beyond my ability to comment on. I'm IT. Tons of medical down here, but I can't add flesh to them bones. Research on that end is on you. Later bro, and GL with whatever you end up doing.

Thanks bro.

Didn't you hear? It's fucking over for averagecels, which is why inceldom is becoming mainstream. It's a fucking disgrace.

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Damn bro.

They don't like releasing recent data on it.
It's too much of an uncomfortable truth.

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Is it the Jews, /pol/?

does this mean incels are right?

Always were