Fuck the GOP and fuck the world they created

>relabel everything you do 'sex education'
>declare you're free of child molestation
wow! Just remember, when you die nobody will remember you and after three weeks it will take a crane and a team of firefighters to remove your decaying obese carcass from your poverty-spec apartment.

Ok groomer.

What happens to the strawman when I support both banning abortion and vastly expanding social programs? Is your programming sophisticated enough to comprehend that?

>oh no not my heckin contradicterinos!

Go crawl up to canada to get your baby ripped out of your womb, whore. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

>you can't think murder is a crime unless you completely find every life to an arbitrary comfort level decided upon by bad faith actors

*fund

It's the only logical way to make it ok, but good luck spinning that socialist contradiction on your brethren.

>socialist contradiction
There's nothing contradictory about it.

It's contradictory to the policies of the vast majority of people that are anti-abortion

Abortion rates would plummet if we had universal healthcare.

>Abortion rates would plummet if we had universal healthcare.
You know what else would plummet? Our quality of life and disposable income. Take your eurotrash ideology and shut it up your ignorant ass.

But not contradictory to itself.

So we make abortion legal because we're too stupid to take on great things anymore and people suffer for it.

How do you deal with stupid people like this ?
I just look at his post and get a headache from how retarded it is. I cannot even. Just how do you untangle such stupidity? How do you convince them that they are wrong when they are THIS delusional?

No, that point we both agree on, a universal system for women and children preceding a ban on abortions is the only way to have an abortion law.

Abortions still cost MONEY, you unemployed basement dweller. If you ever move out of your parents' cellar, you'll realize that SOMEONE HAS TO PAY FOR THIS SHIT.

Maybe you should kill yourself?

Why the fuck are people distracted by this shit????? it's so important it's unreal

One time abortion payment vs a 9 month conception followed by some assurance of quality of life for the growing child. Which one is going to cost more and by how many orders of magnitude?

>tee hee i am trolling on Yea Forums
Very edgy, kid. Run along.

It's called birth control, you incel.

>Consistent insults are a sign of insecurity and a reliance on emotions to direct the pattern of thought.

Wrap a rope around your neck first, then do a flip, faggot.

>when you have no argument and simply respond with ridicule

So you're paying for women's birth control now? You guys fought so hard against that though.

I don't have an argument, I'm just lurking. It was an observation while reading your exchange.

Nobody is impressed by you.
You think you are being tough and cool, but in reality, you are just a dumb loser on an anonymous internet forum.

I use a condom. You've never had sex before, have you?

There were almost no school shootings when gun laws were fewer and lots of schools had shooting ranges. You have to blame the (deliberate) changes in society since the 50's that are making people more likely to lose it.

>I don't have an argument
I know.

I'm the oldfag with the family from earlier.

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Its almost like this has nothing to do with babies.....

You must have me mistaken with someone else, because this was my first post on this thread And no one checked my satanic trips.

Ironic since its not a women's rights issue either no matter how desperately the progressives try to paint it as one.

Ah yes, being above it by participating in it. Americans truly are amazing

That makes it twice as moot, doesn't it?

> its not a women's rights issue
Brave to admit to being retarded on the internet

Not that user. The issue isn't women's rights. The issue is the uncertainty of definition of human life as it applies to a developing fetus.

The only way anyone can confidently claim women's rights are at play is to assert knowledge that is unknowable.

>women are whores
>women shouldn't get abortions

Fuck, Yea Forums, choose one already.

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>"if you want whores to take accountability for their choices then you should also want to steal other people's money to pay for their poor choices from cradle to grave, because that makes sense."

Blow your gay fucking brains out the back of your faggot skull so your tranny boyfriend can skull fuck the blast hole faggot.

Do women have the right to self defense and or bodily autonomy?

By that logic you should stop masturbating and using condoms bc sperm is potential human life.

>implying paying for the birth control and abortions doesn't save money overall

Why aren't conservatives able to do math?

ur all gay for caring about other peoples choices to this extent, bet u all look up to celebrities too like a bunch of fuck brains

>The only way anyone can confidently claim women's rights are at play is to assert knowledge that is unknowable

Elaborate, whats this unknowable knowledge?

Sperm does not contain the complete human genome. A fetus does. Dont be spurious.

You know that's what the evangelical right wants, right? Back to only having sex while making babies because doing anything else with your genitals is an immoral waste of potential life and an abuse of Gods gift. Spilling your seed is a sin the same as an abortion. Since anti-abortion stems from the Abrahamic religions, why not go all the way? Why stop short and cherry pick one bronze age morality over another?

It has the potential, stop committing murder every night before going to bed

Yes, but the core issue is where a woman's body ends and a child's body begins, both in space and in time. Specifically, if a fetus is not a human life, a woman can ethically abort. If it is a human life, they cannot. There is no possible scientific verification for whether a fetus is or isn't a human life.

Either way it's funny watching women freak out about either having to raise a unwanted child or facing the fact they need an abortion. Hope the sex was worth it hahahaha

Killing unborn children is immoral, making people pay for their own choices isn't. Only the disabled and elderly should ever get public assistance, never single mothers.

Whether a fetus is a human life or not.
See , specifically
>There is no possible scientific verification for whether a fetus is or isn't a human life.

>
It is considered an individual when it is capable of existing outside it's mothers womb is a common argument.

>Since anti-abortion stems from the Abrahamic religions,

Liar or moron? Lots of atheists oppose the idea of abortion.

It's a common argument that lacks any objective measure of verification because it entirely depends on the arbitrary premises started with.

It's a definitional issue, and all definitions are cmytikitsrian constructs, not observable reality.

You had me till your antigun rant. I hold the RKBA sacred.

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*utilitarian

Human life or no, if women have those rights they also have the right to an abortion

>muh misogyny
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I vote we keep abortions but also kill the woman for being such a fuck up and poor decision maker

Ah, doesn't matter
See

Based on an abrahamic view of life. Pro-life atheists are teenagers that are incapable of understanding the entirety of their own argument.

If a fetus is a human life then abortion is murder, at least for abortions without overriding medical justification. That would make non-medical abortions outside the rights given to people.

haha republicans are an evil elephant

have my upvote

>That would make non-medical abortions outside the rights given to people.
That doesn't follow, even if I concede abortion is murder

But to enforce that on someone else obligates you also reciprocate with helping yo take care of the resulting family or child.

>Pro-life atheists are teenagers that are incapable of understanding the entirety of their own argument.

Just making shit up I see. Bering an atheist does not actually prevent you having ethics.

Do you believe people have the right to murder? That's the only way you can square that circle otherwise.

yeah but not women cause they dont have any rights

Define murder, because sometimes we do

Being a young prevents you from fully understanding them before coming to a conclusion, though.

That is a fallacy called false dilemma, or all-or-nothing. There is no such requirement.

No it doesn't, am I obligated to feed a poor man because I make it illegal for him to rob people? Obviously not.

>We're the party of FREEDOM and SMALL GUMBINT
>Ok. I want an abortion
>NO, NOT THAT FREEDOM! GOVERNMENT SAVE ME!

Not them but murder is unjustified homicide.

if the man is black yeah you have to or else you're a racist white old man republican

When claiming its to for the sake of the child there is the requirement

If the law places the burden on a specific group of people (women and children) there should be some measure in place to compensate that burden or you're literally just pro-birth rather than pro-life.

'Rights for me, not for thee'

And why are you assuming all atheists will support the murder of unborn children with enough life experience?

Well in that case I retract my concession that abortion is murder.

I don't think you'll be able to stop a starving man from stealing. Also, it's a lot cheaper to just feed him that to create the system needed to stop him from stealing and punishing him if he does.

The intentional killing of a person by another, outside of wartime, preventing immediate threat of harm to self, or of committing capital punishment.

I've already conceded that abortion for medical necessity is not murder should a fetus be a human life, keep in mind.

cause murder of unborn children is edgy as fuck and atheists love to remind everyone that they are, wouldn't shock me

I'm not, I'm drawing out this moot exchange about the minority of pro-birth atheists out there.

Yes, why are progressives desperate for big government except when it comes to killing children? That foetus has a right to life same as anybody,

If this were true, we would equally be unable to make laws against murder for without also providing for some arbitrary standard of living. Which is not the case.

Are we sure listening to the least educated states, those with most teen pregnancy,and most STDs is a smart move?

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Also by your definition abortion isn't murder so even better.

Can anyone here tell me how your life would change if some girl you don't know terminated her pregnancy? I fail to see how it matters to anyone who's not directly in that situation or knows someone well

Using
>should
does nothing to paper over your fallacy.
>or you're literally just
I'm uninterested in labels.

>imagine thinking a fetus is sacradl but not a tumor.
It's human life too, brah.

I fail to see how thats applicable here, laws against murder have plenty of justification without invoking the unborn

They'll never get another chance to pass on their genes, it hurts their monkey brain

You're really interested in semantics rather the simple argument I made. Are you pro-birth, or pro-life?

Because having legal abortion actually reduces abortion rates. Just like legal weed reduces weed addiction numbers, sex ed reduces teen pregnancy rates, STD rates etc.

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>Also by your definition abortion isn't murder so even better.
I don't see how you've reached that conclusion

>preventing immediate threat of harm to self

So abortion isn't murder, glad we cleared that up

The governments job is to catch criminals who violate the rights of others and otherwise leave the people alone, if you feel he should be fed volunteer or donate money.

Neither. I'm interested in conveying how meaningless either label is and in discussing how the core of the abortion issue is actually a problem of epistemology.

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Also a fetus could be classified as a parasite or invader

at least 30+ abortions have happened since this thread started and nothing has changed, you're all still a bunch of whiny over political niggers misusing this board