Why is American zoning so bad?
Why is American zoning so bad?
Josiah Young
John Hill
Cars, new cities, nimby, no early planning, lots of space and disregard for the environment, “muh American dream”.
Ayden Miller
NIMBYS, poor public transit, too much local control, bs white picket fence American dream etc.
Lincoln Reed
A lot of our developments are based around landfill. This creates stable ground, lakefront property out of nowhere and twisting streets are just a bit nicer, imo.
Angel King
Absolute hatred for public transport, continually self-isolating society, no more small and local businesses, cities became overcrowded due to lack of planning, racist zoning laws made white people leave cities, factories with no environmental regulations killed cities.
Alexander Perez
fucking perfection
Grayson White
Define "bad"
wait, you can't, because you fell for the false dichotomy that personal transport/suburb=bad
After World War II, there was a massive explosion in automobile sales in America, so cities had to be designed around them, because otherwise traffic would be a lot worse. People seem to think cities were designed for cars FIRST and then cars came later. In actuallity what happenes was Americans WANTED more cars and so city planners had to adapt. Europe never went through the same urban planning movements, because few Europeans could afford a car until long after the war.
Traffic and urban sprawl are NOT a zoning or infrastructure problem, they're a people problem. And it will be solved by the adaptation of self-driving cars. Giving Americans the benefits of both automated transport and personal transport.
Andrew Cook
>and twisting streets are just a bit nicer,
Its like that on purpose to slow the flow of traffic
Cooper Rogers
>autonomous cars fix everything
Cars are still bad, just because people are driving them doesn’t magically make them good.
>cities had to adapt to cars
No, they didn’t have to do shit. Cars would have been seen as a hot new item then dropped once traffic became gridlocked and people saw the trams gliding past them.
Benjamin Martinez
It seems to be at least in part due to the massive emphasis on low density residential zoning creating more neighborhoods on roads that aren't collectors or arteries. That effectively turns these old roads into collectors, despite not being designed for it, which fucks with people's ability to drive through them uninterrupted. Then bypasses and through roads are built to alleviate some of the traffic pressure on the over-traveled roads, which often just alters the flow of traffic to other equally unfit roads for high traffic volume.
This emphasis on low density, more individual residential plots in cities designed for automobile travel creates the feedback loop we see in American cities: foot traffic and public transport become increasingly difficult as roads sprawl out, and they sprawl out far and wide when the zoning puts an emphasis on more plots for fewer people.
I don't have any solutions btw, just regurgitating my findings after getting really into this topic past year
Jace Reyes
>No, they didn’t have to do shit. Cars would have been seen as a hot new item then dropped once traffic became gridlocked and people saw the trams gliding past them.
The exess in automobiles weren't just going to go away. Personal transportation was seen as a way of giving people more flexibility, and America had a bunch of virgin land to spread out.
Jaxon Allen
It's like that to go around lakes. In areas that didn't use landfill, it still creates tiers of properties. Some are zero lot line. Some are on the outside of a curve and will have a larger backyard. Some are on cul-de-sacs with enormous backyards.
Michael Collins
>Why is American zoning so bad?
Why is American [insert absolutely anything here] so bad?
>Greed.
/thread
John Martinez
>suburb bad
Literally R*ddit-tier take. I'll take my quiet street and big yard anyday over a local grocery store being marginally closer to me
Julian Wilson
>Cars are still bad
Jace Hall
Their urban planning is centered around cars.
I dont mean to sound like a bolshevik or anything, but the Soviet Union used to plan microdistricts. Sure, they plop down apartment buildings en masse, but I'm still positive that microdistricts and urban planning centered around people and optimum walking distance is a better idea.
You shouldnt need to use a car for everything.
Angel Hill
I think I'd rather have suburbs than Eastern European commieblocks honestly
Ryan Torres
>I enjoy being a freeloader
m.youtube.com
Wyatt Edwards
What do you mean "need"? Cars are fun no matter what you're doing with them.
Cameron Butler
I saw who posted that and immediately clicked off. I cannot describe how much I hate that retard. He sweated profusely everytime he saw a "Froad" in Texas and took his family to Amsterdam. Good for him, but he's a retard and quite frankly not an expert on anything.
Dylan Baker
> He hates cars, must be commie!1!1
Please. Do some research and youll realise that urban planning centered around cars is terrible, unnecessarily poluting and it made your ameriburgers fat and lazy.
Urban planing should be focussed on people.
Being able to walk somewhere is way more free than being forced to drive there, then find a parking spot. So why arent you freedom loving burgers doing that?
Noah Cooper
Kayden Morgan
You people should be killed off.
Jackson Wilson
I said that. I dont like commieblocks either, but the idea of microdistricts isnt a bad one
Caleb Stewart
How else do you keep niggers from moving into the neighborhood?
Tyler Wood
People who don’t get this will seethe
James Stewart
> Cars are fun
Mate, thats not a scientific fact, thats an opinion.
Efficiency vs fun is kind of a difference.
Austin Bell
>forced to drive there, then find a parking spot
Why does this seem so difficult to you?
Justin Campbell
Sounds like somebody doesn't have a counter argument
Jace Morris
There's nothing to get. That guy has autism and is abusing his family by moving them accross the globe for his Youtube channel. If you can't see that's not normal and he's a narcissist with a God complex then I'm sorry man your loss.
Daniel Powell
>walking
Why does this seem so difficult to you?
Jaxson Gutierrez
Cars are absolutely fun.
Wyatt Lopez
> This moron thinks his opinions are solid arguments against facts
You're too stupid to live in a society without people like me.
Imagine getting your thong in a fucking twist just because REEEEE HE DOESNT LIKE CARS.
Come up with a proper argument rather than dumbass name calling, stop trying to engage in discussion if you cant actually discuss things.
Jannies, this kid is obviously underage. Do your job
Sebastian Evans
Then go drive a go kart
Liam Gutierrez
Not an argument. Maybe for an 8 year old, but not an adult.
Aaron Clark
He's using a bad example but requiring massive parking automatically makes it harder for mom and pop's to compete with companies that have access to not just the money for land but the equipment to put down asphalt for parking lots. Which does not drive the free market and actively makes it difficult for competition
Camden Robinson
What did the they mean by this?
Lucas Johnson
Americans really don't care for public transport
For intercity transport, there's busses
For intermediate transpor between adjascent cities or states, there's regional airlines. Because we realized those require significantly less permanent infrascructure and fills the same niche as intermediate rail transport in Europe. We have quite fast trains in America like Amtrak, but these are seen as novelties.
Ryan Lee
wut? get a job, penniless commie.
Christian Collins
>Why is American zoning so bad?
Honestly what pisses me off the most is they decide when building subdivisions like this is they put playgrounds where there is a near 90 degree road curve. Making it near impossible for kids to look both ways and make it across and cars have little to no stop time.
Then they have to put up multiple signs about children playing, making it uglier. Then rail guards, further making it worse.
Then when so many close calls with kids almost getting hit by cars coming around the curve they slap in a stop sign. All just to slow people down.
They could put it at the end of a cul de sac with more room to play around but that is prime real estate and profits come before logic or common sense.
Robert Baker
why do you have a bot make these threads? think of a better loaded question to gaslight people you faggot.
Connor Collins
>They could put it at the end of a cul de sac with more room to play around but that is prime real estate and profits come before logic or common sense.
..many neighborhoods already are like this you know?
Thomas Watson
I have a job.
Is this literally everything you can throw at somebody?
Are you even realizing how youre sticking your head in the sand by projecting like this?
> Cars are fun and if you want to take them away you are a commie
You arent a smart person if you think this is is a proper argument.
Also your car is probably part of your personality. I'm sorry you need a car to compensate for your lack of manhood.
Dominic Thomas
Yep. Planes and cars/trucks are all we need. I've been on a bus/train, not even once in my life and a plane only once. So cars alone are enough for those that don't need to travel long distances regularly.
Jackson Barnes
No amount of naming these images "comfy" and oversaturating the colors will never not make them look like dystopian hellscapes
Xavier Clark
>we has faster trains hurr durr
Dude, the fastest train we have only goes 150mph, and that’s it’s too speed. It averages 60-75 mph. That’s fast considering the general speed for Amtrak is 30-50mph
trainconductorhq.com
Robert Hill
It's based around the idea that everyone has a car or access to one. Grids are really good for the big picture regardless. The problem with our zoning is the hyper-dedicated residential vs commercial that can often make it just not practical to be a pedestrian or cyclist without a robust public transportation option. There are MASSIVE sprawling suburbs without one store in reasonable walking distance.
Neighborhoods can be a clusterfuck as shows. I'd bet two different developers for two different subdivisions and city planning didn't catch it and require they connect. It's too late to fix it too unless two houses that share a back fence are willing to sell to the city for that. In his pic you can't really see it but there's no connection between Anna Catherine Dr and Summer Rain Dr. In that pic there's a lot of places the city should have required connections
Connor Powell
>lower buildings in the middle
>ah yes that perpetual shade
>prime estate
Joshua Wright
This is your job, I do it for free.
Brayden Morgan
Most zoning is done for low density housing post WW2 and I don't think we ever figured out a balance between it and transportation.
Nathan Cruz
>..many neighborhoods already are like this you know?
0 that I have seen. All playgrounds are usually located on the most heavily traveled road in that division.
Cameron Gutierrez
>Dude, the fastest train we have only goes 150mph, and that’s it’s too speed.
that's the Acela, and thats its top speed over existing infrastructure, which is the main limiting factor
Logan Gomez
>0 that I have seen. All playgrounds are usually located on the most heavily traveled road in that division.
so you've seen a single example from some armchair urban planning experts and think it applies everywhere? Most playgrounds are located within greenbelts, typically in the same plot as elementary or middle schools.
Logan Carter
Urban Planner, and Estate Agent here.
This is a legitimate strategy to keep black people from cruising around nice white neighborhoods.
The winding roads, and random dead ends confuse their primitive brains, and if they did want to commit a crime, which they do, then they couldn't find their way out.
Matthew Long
I like how there is parking inside the middle. In some neighborhoods this is basically making a gated community.
Dylan Sullivan
Agreed user
Adrian Roberts
>hurr durr why is OP si jealous of America
Rent-Free, faggot
Sage
Jeremiah Watson
Top kek
Chase Jackson
Honestly, I've heard urban sprawl is getting worse in Eastern Europe because more and more people are getting cars dispite living in large apartments. Hence the need for hastilly build parking lots in weird places. Their problem is almost the inverse of Americas, they're buying cars in cities not designed for them in the first place.
Aaron Baker
> Doubles down
Underage b&, or ban because you obviously argue like a child
Jason Hill
Well I would take the design of the center parking, remove the middle buildings and replace with a 4-5 level parking garage in the center. leaving a courtyard/park on the center sides. Paint up the sides to whatever scene you like, beach, forest, etc..
Colton Martinez
You know what's funny? People who actually live in suburbs rarely seem to complain about them. The only people who seem to hate suburbs, have never lived in one. Funny how that works
Landon Ortiz
>Hey I think these Yea Forums fucks are clueless
Levi Rogers
So that suburb housing is more expensive and nigger and their crime are kept away.