Promotes her music as "DIY" and "anti-establishment"

>"looking at the credits, it's just Billie and her brother!!!!"

And?

>YOU CAN'T FAKE AUTHENTICITY
>Paid partnership with calvinklein

The jokes write themselves.

it's just bizarre at this point

Any commies here know anything about CK's labour record? I'm guessing they use sweatshops and pay thugs to gun down union organizers like most other high fashion brands.

This entire thread is terrible. Billie never claimed to be counter-cultural, politically leftist, or anything of the sort. She's never promoted herself as alternative. She's always been just another pop star/trap rapper like Ariana or Post Malone. So what if she's endorsing big brands? She never said that was against her principles, so let her be.

the only "problem" i have with her is the insistence on her being authentic and not a literal plant, and even then it's with the machine behind her and not her.

>Billie never claimed to be counter-cultural, politically leftist, or anything of the sort.
This is literally how she's written about and therefore de facto constructs her image. See pic related.

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Every single time she's been pressed on the issue of her being a plant she's either denied it or makes light of it. I'm willing to cut her some slack due to her age but you can't help but think she's being trained by a publicist.

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remember when interscope wrote a post on reddit pretending to be a boomer man and praising billie’s talent and originality and authenticity while labeling people who notice she is a huge plant as “angry jealous incels” or whatever the had the post upboated like 50 thousand times so it would get on the front page and enter the NPC codebase? shit was diabolical and hilarious

No they don’t you bluepilled faggot, they’re shilling what their overlords tell them to. Visit /pol/ once in a while you lemming

not to mention her vocals really aren’t even that impressive kek

>no you fucking lemming, you have to listen to the people who agree with me

you obviously haven’t watched a single interview of hers

Nice straw man, not at all what I said or implied. Retarded soicuck

that was melon (i'm not kidding, he lives on the net).

i mean it when i believe this unequivocally even without a shred of evidence or sauce. her fabricated existence as an act and personality is extremely insulting at this point

Based commies.

i like how you try to complain about strawmen but immediately afterward show you think everyone that disagrees with you is a soicuck

honestly what can you do about it besides vote with your wallet

So when in interviews does Billie ever claim to be DIY or socially conscious?

The people who sit around being mad that it's not them getting the hookups are the real villains of the story.

i saw an interview where she talked about how she writes lyrics on the walls of her bedroom or some shit despite the fact that she doesn’t even write the lyrics of the songs

>he doesn’t understand what a straw man is despite still attempting to straw man
My pity for you only grows

>You can't fake authenticity
Now they're just taking the piss

>C.Y. + 4
>shills are shilling rugged individualism now

You forgot her reliance on Instagram, perhaps more important to braindead zoomera than even her shitty music
See Cardi B, another recent example

I'm willing to bet Finneas writes 98% of the lyrics with Shillie only contributing a line or two.

He wrote the entirety of When the Party's Over after all, which is her second biggest hit after Bad Guy.

Kys

Herbert Marcuse warned us about this shit 50 years ago. Y'all were too busy freaking out over "cultural Marxism" you didn't bother to take the time to read what he and his colleagues in the Frankfurt School actually wrote.

This. A large part of Shillie's popularity was rooted in her social media clout.

Sounds like a paid promotion.

Yes.

If she's DIY who's been paying hundreds of thousands to millions per music video to make them for her?

Given her obsession with DIY and authenticity, I'd like to ask her how she feels about the pioneers of those values, like Crass and Fugazi. Maybe have her talk about her Calvin Klein deal with Ian MacKaye and Penny Rimbaud.

.... which shows how willfully ignorant normies are.

Even the music video for Ocean Eyes looked high budget given its special effects.

Unironically this.

Look at it this way: given the amount of hype she has right now, it's own downhill from here on after. Industry plants tend to have a pretty short shelf life, lasting at the very most 2-3 years. Billie will be a literal who by the end of 2020.

>CK
>high fashion
*screams in /fa/*

why do you refer to her as a figure of authority like she has ever made an autonomous decision in her life? literally groomed to be a commodity bought and sold, she has no say in any matter

She's obviously an industry plant, so it doesn't really matter.

She has to endorse products in order to make up for all the money Interscope spent on planting her. It’s the same reason why so many big artists come out with clothing or fragrance lines. Her album didn’t sell nearly as well as expected.

I don't really know why people get so upset over her style or attitude and claim that she's "appropriating DIY culture" when all she's doing is dressing and acting like the musicians she looks up to. This is just the zoomer pop-star look and will be everywhere in a few years, and not just because Billie influenced those that will come after her, but because they will share the same influences. People saying she can't dress up like a trap artist because she grew up privileged are reading far too much into the attire of a teenage girl. Just because she likes the look doesn't mean she's claiming to be from the same place as other DIY musicians, and I don't think she's ever claimed as such.

This.

>Her album didn’t sell nearly as well as expected

How much did it sell? Most revenues are now from streaming anyway so does it matter? Her streaming numbers must be strong from the 100+ million views she's getting on YT.

How's her concert performance? Is she opening for other acts or headlining? Small venues or arenas?

i'll add it for next time

This

f you thought she was anything other than an industry plant you're literally a retard

all her songs are "haha edgy alternative girl whispering"
there is not a single one that has challenged anything meaningfully

I mean, just based on YT stats, let's say Lovely has 320 M views. At $2 per 1000 views, it made $650K just in streaming revenue.

But how much did it cost to make? It's a pretty simple video. I would guess they could have done it for $100K or so but maybe up to $200K-300K because of director fees etc.

So purely on that it's probably profitable.

But music industry success is kind of like the movie industry. A movie needs to make 2-3x its budget before it can even break even because so much money goes into marketing and promotion beyond the cost of production.

I can't imagine how many millions have been spent to make everyone know who "Billy Eilish" is. It's an insane investment.

Probably worth it though because she's 17 and as long as she stays white and thin and pretty she'll always have value. They can milk 10 years out of her easily if she keeps it together.

If she’s a poseur she should just say so and cut the bullshit.

Dude it's just a business venture. It's nothing personal. She's a pop act put together and promoted for mass consumption in a given niche. Same as every other pop act. They're called "acts" because it's never real. None of them are.

yeah it’s weird how professional it looked with the lighting and everything
compare it to clairo’s “pretty girl” which had a believable DIY aesthetic
however this is what a real low budget DIY video looks like
youtube.com/watch?v=Y1svPxH2MbI
spaceghostpurrp’s videos are another good example of authentic DIY video aesthetic

She is under the age of 18 and a bunch of money is being thrown at her. Do you really expect her to do what's right? Would you at that age? I sure as hell would take the deal even if I had preached against the establishment at that age.

And Purrp is one of the artists whom Shillie seems to be ripping off in terms of sound/beats and aesthetic.

Partnered with (((Calvin Klein)))

I doubt she even fully understands it all. She's a rich kid, her mom did improve with Will Ferrell and teaches dancing and shit. She was groomed to be a performer as a child. Her brother is a failed musician who is using her as a pretty face for his shit. She probably has no idea about all the deals and shit being made.
To be fair, the album is fine for what it is. I don't really care about these strangers and their antiquated business deals.

holy fuck this is the most cringe thread iv ever seen

based and redpilled, fellow /mutant/!

Good job standing against corporate interests, just like (((Karl Marx))), (((Abbie Hoffman))), (((Emma Goldman))), (((Noam Chomsky))), (((Howard Zinn))), (((Murray Bookchin))), (((Peter Singer))), (((Rosa Luxemburg))), (((Bernie Sanders))), (((AOC))), (((William Kunstler))), (((Naomi Wolf))), etc., you stupid fucking wannabe-Nazi cocksucker.

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The only artists you will ever hear about nowadays, talented or not, are gonna be sellouts. She doesnt promote her music like that, her publicists do.

How is she plastic?

>guy lists a bunch of commies who killed millions of ethnic europeans and destroyed multiple cultures while attempting to destroy others
>specifically points out that they are all jewish

what did he mean by this?

Not a single person I posted can be described that way.
>demonstrates he has no idea what he's talking about and probably has a sub-80 IQ
what did you mean by this?

She was a teenager when she broke out in a genre that basically lives on industry plant esque teenage stars. On top of the fact that she is obviously a plant, her music is shit so no wonder she is just taking a check.

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>Even Lil Nas X is probably a plant
difference is that Nas X is in a genre where it's entirely possible to come up. Even though rap is still largely controlled by jews, it's groundroots compared to pop nowadays.

She's no different than Britney Spears.

based as always

Never trust people who make a living off giving opinions and doing promotion. Actually, never trust opinions. Assume everyone is ignorant, including yourself.

>people support an ideology that results in this kind of extremist behavior
>"Not a single person I posted can be described that way."

>A teenage girl
She's a product with the backing of a corporate machine, not just a "teenage girl" shill fag

Every single person on that list is explicitly anti-Leninism except Marx himself, whose ideology Leninism is generally understood to be a perversion of. In fact, most of those people aren't communists at all, but rather either anarchists or progressives.

How fucking stupid are you?

Dude what are you talking about. Since she was 8 years old she has been working hard so now at 17 she had all the skills required to direct her own professional videos, write and record and mix her own professional songs, and promote herself across the globe on a $20 per song budget.

She's just that good. She's no pop star. She's the greatest prodigy the world has ever known. Deal with it.

would you fug her?

>How fucking stupid are you?
i'm pro equality

if anti-nationalists get to compare all nationalists to the ideology's worst criminals then everyone else gets to do the same

Very interesting.

non-sequitur
confirmed for mentally retarded

Interscope was bankrolling her from the start.

Hahahahaha you can’t be serious. The level of dumb in this thread is off the charts but you’re on another level

>can't address the philosophical nature of my post
>inserts an ad hoc in a sad attempt to strengthen his non-argument
expected

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You'd never be offered such a deal you moron lol
Fucking naive

Most of her interviews she tried way too hard to sound “wise”.

Dunning-Kruger
You tried to justify your idiotic, baseless accusations that I knocked down by saying it was okay for you to compare them to the worst members of their ideology (which you failed to do, since none of them are authoritarian Leninists) since "anti-nationalists" compare them to the worst people they share ideologies with.

And you're still dodging. You're the slimy rat here, and you're projecting, you retarded fucking inbred piece of shit.

She's trash

Those Jews aren't against the Jewish establishment dumb dumb, they were against the WASP establishment because Jews were barred from entry (for good reason)

>literal revolutionary anarchists weren't against the establishment
kill yourself, you're too fucking stupid to exist

>(which you failed to do, since none of them are authoritarian Leninists)
you can say the same about any ideology. not all nationalists are nazis, so why should average nationalists give privileges to ideological opponents that are not afforded to them? this is what i meant by you failing to address the philosophy
>more ad hocs
he's melting down, lads

No man. She did it all herself. She sold lemonade outside her house to make the $2 million to put together her first video, album, and initial marketing push. I swear. She's the best.

No. You literally dodged the point when I pointed out that you were wrong. That is a dishonest tactic. Is that basic enough for you?

>You literally dodged the point when I pointed out that you were wrong
i addressed the "not all communists are leninists" angle in the very post you are replying to here

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why does Yea Forums like her?

(((Marketing)))

Because she's a sexy 17 year year old white girl who is selling her appearance on camera and no one on this site even cares about music.

If you don't believe me, see:
There is nothing on earth more valuable than a pretty skinny white girl's vagina and everyone will line up to worship it if given the chance.

Okay.

>sold lemonade
>not drugs

Oh she sold drugs too. She's hard as fuck m8! She ran her own gang at 12 that supplied meth to the crips and bloods and almost ended up spending 30 years in federal pen.

Billie Eilish is everything!

4/10

They make jeans too.

I don’t follow any of those peoples’ beliefs my guy. Disagreeing with Billie’s sponsorship doesn’t mean I politically side with any of the people you listed.

Don't be hard on me mate. I don't have the natural talent of Billy Eilish. If I did, I'm sure it would have been 10/10.

i don't personally think he was a plant; if he was, then he'd be billie level-promoted everywhere like every other piece of shit plant

Try to read
Against the WASP establishment
Not the Jewish establishment where those same "anarchists" thrive from the same system they criticize
The projection about your own stupidity is cute though

/thread

Why are so many autists Seething over a teenage pop star being popular? There's a hilarious amount of aggressive assumptions about ghost writers and shit ITT. Like, she's obviously a rich kid who had an easy ride and her family most likely have connections that helped her blow up, but you don't have to sperg out so hard over it.
Just don't listen to her if you don't want to. Why waste so much of your time ranting about a teenage girl being signed to a record label?

>You Can't Fake Authenticity
You can't make this shit up.

He's a meme rapper who blew up out of nowhere with a very well-produced hit. That's serious plant vibes.

Yes because I definitely meant myself. I meant in a general sense, anybody would do what she's doing at her age. Dumbass.

>you can't fake authenticity
>Billie Ellish
so... who's gonna tell them

>Billie never claimed to be..... politically leftist

She actually has claimed to be involved in local LA politics. She's also done more than one "orange man bad" social media posts.

You Should See Me in a Crown was praised for being a "feminist anthem". Wish You Were Gay was accused of queer-baiting, like Billie is trying hard to appeal to LGBTQ people. Xanny is a song crying over youth drug culture. And all her songs about depression are often promoted as "raising awareness" or some shit.

I'm leftist as well but I don't consider her politics to be anything principled. "Fake woke" describes her perfectly.

I used to follow lil nas x on twitter back when he was known as nasmarajj and he’d make choose your own adventure threads, he’s not an industry plant although the growth of his single isn’t organic because of his record label

>the growth of his single isn’t organic because of his record label
So he's a plant.

No I’m not going to do that, because I’m not a brainwashed bootlicker sheep like you

>those pics
Isn't JID almost 30? Why the fuck is he hanging around a teenager?

Take a look at this headline: "Rebel With a Plan". What do you think that's trying to imply?

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Billie has a 360 Deal. Interscope is taking most of that. But yes, way too much money has been poured into this poor girl and her brother in order to make her the biggest thing in pop music at the moment.

>And Purrp is one of the artists whom Shillie seems to be ripping off in terms of sound/beats and aesthetic.

Explain.

>You Should See Me in a Crown was praised for being a "feminist anthem".

Never heard this.

who cares what music critics think?
are you a child?

i thought of you when i listened to Blue Sky Archives the other day ;)

Her whole aesthetic is a teen girl version of the underground Miami scene.

HAHAHAH billie eilish is realer than everyone itt. don't @ me

She doesn't even write her own lyrics.

>caring how someone promotes themselves
Some artists have made stories of how they sold their soul

With a ridiculous, redirecting statement. This is the definition of Dunning-Kruger. Kill yourself, microcephalic loser

>be me
>an adult
>see billie elish
>oh this music sucks, what a corporate cunt
>go about my day and ignore her existience
>some spaz or viral marketer keeps false flagging threads every single day about how mad he is at her and you should be mad too and talk about her all the time
>mfw

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It's almost like she's fully aware of our convos on here, and is parodying it.

"lol you call me inauthentic? okay like let me laugh in your face."

>signed to a major label known for relentlessly shilling their artists
Is there any major label that doesn't do this? Indie labels do it quite often too.

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Lots of band members of famous bands didn't write lyrics

What the fuck do you guys even want labels to do? Not promote artists. Ya'll are retarded.

It's not just about shilling/promotion, it's how Shillie's promotion was carried out. She was being pushed on everyone via Spotify for over a year before her album was released. Also look at all the high-end interviews she got pre-album (including Vanity Fair and Hot Ones), and all the praise she got from established artists despite having a tiny discography (most of which she didn't even write). It's understandable as to why normies would be aggravated by her.

And flubs it miserably.

The real problem is her being presented is some self made indie arteest when she is as manufactured as britney spears.

Makes me want to hurl her out a window

"But it's just HER AND HER BROTHER making music in their bedroom you i-n-c-e-l."

So? That's literally every indie band

instagram.com/p/BxQKZpHF0zv/

The actual commercial isn't too offensive, just lame.

genuinely not an argument

It's not even just the video. Every song she and her brother have done has stellar production, way too good for the bro to be using nothing but a DAW.

and you forgot to mention how awful/boring/empty her music is

>calvin klein is high fashion

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It's usually categorized as such.

you're retarded

basically this there is a big difference between general promotion and the kind of forced exposure strategy that interscope is doing here
i remember a few months ago Yea Forums would complain about clairo being an industry plant because her dad has some key connections and her family seems fairly wealthy (upper middle class at least), but her only real big media placement in the early stages of her career was the Fader interview, but she was signed to Fader label so it's not like there was tons of money being spent on promoting her
billie, on the other hand, had an insane amount of media spots right from the start.

>clairo being an industry plant because her dad has some key connections and her family seems fairly wealthy (upper middle class at least),
Not "upper middle class", full-blown upper upper /leftypol/-would-guillotine-them class. Clairo's father is a multi-millionaire and she grew up in an extremely wealthy Boston suburb (I'm from Boston too, can confirm New England is heinously expensive to live in).

>billie, on the other hand, had an insane amount of media spots right from the start.
There was a gigantic PR push for this girl. Her name was all over Apple Music from as early as early 2017. We may shit-talk her on here but I've never seen her get a bad review from anyone.

Fuck off.

Music critics act in bad faith and shovel you shit. That's what they get paid to do.

Most "good reviews" are part of payola schemes.

ITT: op still takes instagram and melon seriously, not just something to pass the time and gives them advertising

Billie Eyelashes is a meme. No one really thinks she's a good singer or her music is anything special. They like her due to her social media personality.

All these little girls are whores has nobody figured that out yet? Grimes is a literal fucking crackwhore now

spotted the rabbi

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Britney spears never claimed to be an authentic edgelord musician who writes lyrics on her walls with her menstrual blood.

That's because that wasn't part of her marketing gimmick. If it was, she would have.

>They like her due to her physical appearance.

Fixed that for you.

all women should be gassed

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If Billie is entirely manufactured, why isn't she being sexualized like other teen pop stars?

Women can't make careers in music without being sexy because no one in their right mind wants to hear a woman sing about something unless you're thinking about banging her (or being her for fags/women) during it.

Thats out of fashion grandpa

with cum gas

>why isn't she being sexualized

Wtf. Of course she's sexualized.

She wears a fucky dog collar in her music videos and makes sexy faces at the camera constantly.

She's "sexy in a sweatshirt" which is the new cool.

Because it makes no sense to market her like that, especially if her music doesn't sound upbeat. Teens these days aren't into bubblegum bullshit, they like slow, melodic stuff and an aesthetic to match.

Hes fucked her she fucks black guys just like most teenager pop stars

They don't even like her, they just think they should because it's being pushed on them that she's cool and if they like her then they will be cool too.

It's what the kids wear thses days and fashion is about trends

Not sure. Her fanbase seems pretty rabid. You can't exactly "construct" that.

Sort of. The way the music industry works is they put money into dozens of artists and out of those, 9/10 will fail miserably to connect. But it's anyone's guess what will "work", so they just throw shit at a wall and see what sticks.

Whatever sticks gets more money, which means more shit thrown at more walls about it, and more hopefully sticking, until they have something that can make them back enough money to compensate for all the other failures.

At least you guys moved past Clairo

She wouldn't last if she had to compete with Ariana. Marketing her as a tomboy is much easier.

im with you on this one

fuck you other guy

They like her because she gives the impression she's a closeted lesbian, and thus a virgin, which appears hot to some guys.

>you haven't spent hours upon hours constructing a fantasy narrative about the business ventures of the people managing this child but telling me that it's sad that I have done so - that I have fabricated literal nonsense to disparage a little girl because she released an album that was given better reviews than my shitty bandcamp EP - isn't a fair statement because I am that autistic
KYS

Why would a 17-year old have principled political positions?

She posted a story on IG last week saying she won't take a break anytime soon because she's having too much fun or some shit, "take a break" referring to her music career. She's totally blinded by the money and fame.

>How much did it sell?
IIRC When We Fall Asleep sold about 300k album equivalent units its first week when it was projected to sell 360k and beat Ariana. It didn't, and even when looking at second-week sales Ariana's record still sold a lot more. Everyone had high hopes for Billie (who wouldn't given the amount of positive publicity?) and while she did sell a lot she failed to de-thrown Ari.

That’s cause she’s an industry plant user

Jewish shenanigans.

No shit.

Her parents must be proud.

It's a symptom of clown world my friend. The pain will be over soon hopefully

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>you can't fake authenticity
She is almost as annoying as K-pop

I fish there was a leaked sex tap I love seeing petite teens moan to black cock hopefully a nigger broke her hymen

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this

>when antisemitic leftcucks cape for semitics when /pol/ is antisemetic
yikalikes!

I felt like Camillo Cabelo was the same shit just last year but the latina version, am I right on that? Not musically, the randomly beign pushed like a motherfucker out of nowhere and getting great gigs so fast deal.

Every single one of those people is a con artist and absolutely stands for corporate interests. Unless that's the joke, but it goes to show.

MatPat’s wife Stephanie has much better taste in fashion and merchandise.

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Camila Cabello had a more traditional marketing strategy, that centered around radio plays and television appearances. Same thing with Dua Lipa.
Billie Eilish seems a lot like someone got the memo on how the chans work. The funny thing about it being that it stops working if you do it too many times.

get help

Why is yours more genuine?

That’s part of the gimmick

Fake

you underestimate the power of marketing and peoples willingness to be cool and popular.

Based /pol/ and Yea Forums poster

/mupol/ is a really threatening idea to a lot of people. Even more than Yea Forums or Yea Forums, but possibly not as much as Yea Forums

>you can't fake authenticity

wow

its a fucking raped drugged out tranny the jews used as a pass around bitch

2019 is hers, it has already been decided by our corporate culture system
you can’t win, Yea Forums

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>mycalvins
kek

commies don't really ever know anything, that's why they're commies

>gets her own curated museum exhibit to promote the album

Wtf

good. sell out for that cash

yeah i thought it was pretty over the top too, it's part of her marketing as some kind of prodigy so obviously we need a museum exhibit about some contemporary pop album that a ukelele-tier singer's brother wrote for her because she is such an artistic savant or something

She's lost all credibility she may have possessed.

ayyyyyyye

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she already sold out when she signed with interscope, who surely own the entire "Billie Eilish" brand down to the masters and publishing
so it's not technically her selling out to calvin klein, it's interscope selling their product (which billie signed up to be in exchange for fame and maybe some money if they don't get creative wit hthe accounting) to calvin klein

I'm not sure on the specifics, but Billie doesn't own her masters (meaning Interscope can do whatever they want with her music regardless if she and her brother object).

Commie here. They abuse of Ethiopian workers

>nu-sjws keep telling me to go back to /pol/ the last 3 years for benign light bantz that could be perceived as politically incorrect
>accidentally get redpilled
that was the plan all along wasn't it """"left''""""""shitters

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>ethiopia
>not china

>top 10 hit
>"anti-establishment"