The wheel of life is turning, nature dies and is reborn. You are trapped in this cycle. The cycle is samsara

The wheel of life is turning, nature dies and is reborn. You are trapped in this cycle. The cycle is samsara.
Samsara can't exist without suffering, which is an innate property of life. Suffering in this context is known as dukkha.
Dukkha is caused by desire. If you don't crave or long for anything, you will never suffer. Desire in this context is called tanha.
To reject tanha is no small feat. Because you are a part of samsara, tanha comes natural to you, as does dukkha.
If you don't want to suffer, you must follow a set of guidelines designed to eliminate tanha, known as magga, the Noble Eightfold Path.
Following this path will grant a complete escape from the cycle of death and rebirth, and the cessation of suffering.

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If I shot myself into the sun I could be at least certain my atoms would be out of the cycle for a few billion years. Maybe if I'm lucky no life will be possible in this region until the heat death of the universe.

no you, schitzo

Like irritating elevator music these teachings are.

Why? Because they're functional but not exciting or interesting?

This is either a made up cope or supernatural sadism

It's a (maybe THE?) central tenet of most of buddhism.

You can even logic your way there.

>consciousness doesn't function without an objective
first thing you do with a neural net is give it something to do
>consciousnesses necessarily have unmet objectives
again, you need something to do. If you aren't trying to meet some objective, you aren't conscious
>unmet objectives cause suffering
it's what makes you do them
>therefore to be conscious is to suffer

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eastern philosophy is so fucking gay and stupid. i have a philosophy degree and this shit is just dumb. it's almost like an anti-self help book manipulative bullshit. i would say that resisting desire is unnatural and pretty much everything about buddhism is about being a special failure at life and thinking you're cool while you're refusing to live. life is not about merely about suffering and desire. the problem with asian philosophy is that it picks on interesting points and pretends that they're pure wisdom but without any explanation aside from defending the original preposterous claim.

the meaning of life comes from the experience of living it. if it is challenging or difficult, that is part of the experience. if it feels like suffering, that is part of the experience. if you desire something, there are far too many reasons to explain that desire to consider all desires equal.

the answer isn't simply to feel like an eternal victim with the only answer being to reject desires and sit around doing nothing, but that's a way to avoid life.

No one said anything about meaning.

That sounds really complicated. Can't you just drink that tea that turns you into a mummy?

fuck off bro your magic doesn't work here

just die right op

> implying Western philosophy isn't equally cringe

No. Suicide comes from a mindset of suffering, which is a product of samsara - it relates to worldly desires and needs, including the desire to have belonging and a place in the world.
The Eightfold Path circumvents that desire. On the other hand, if you become an hero, you're not escaping the cycle of death and rebirth, you're falling victim to it.
If people love you and you an hero, you're also hurting them, which goes against the requirements of magga.
People who talk about how they need to get a gf or they're kill themselves can benefit more from the Noble Eightfold Path than you.

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Nyam nyo ho go fuck yourself.

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Yes, deny your humanity rather than understanding it for what it is.

The search for meaning and purpose is a desire, isn't it? So instead of denying these things, what if we just stopped taking them so seriously?

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Buddhism requires understanding humanity for what it is before rejecting tanha.

>camus
Based. I used to like Nietzsche until I discovered Camus.

>gibberish that is obviously not english
>being used in an english sentence
I absolutely cannot wait for the moment I have to suffer your proselytisin no mores

I have been meditating and contemplating as much as I could these past few days and just now I almost followed my desire to watch pornography, but then I saw this thread and I'm going back to practicing mindfulness. Thank you to whoever made this thread.

is the ego death achieved through a lsd trip the same as through meditation?

Fake and gay.

blablabla [insert random name]
blablabla everything dies because of blablabla, blablabla you have to blablabla
honestly you cult guys are the sole reason all this wrong exists because you say so and indoctrinate others with your false witness or whatever you come up with, it should be obvious to an educated person with the capabilities for sympathy and empathy to grasp wrong or right by default, sadly you niggers shove your believes down others throats for a social/material/status increase
sooooo do a hero and fuck off

If you look for things too precious to lose, you will lose them.
I’m still very much in love with what would make me suffer.

In both cases you lose your sense of self, so yes. That's pretty much where the similarities between the two activities end.

Buddhism isn't an ethical framework or a faith, mongoloid.

This philosophy is cringe because it is fundamentally scared of one of the most profound truths of the human condition: that to live is to suffer. Suffering is an inescapable part of life and thinking you can escape it is pure cope. The key is to accept it. Try to avoid it where you can, but you WILL suffer. If you can accept that and are prepared for suffering, you can weather the storm and enjoy the good times all the more. To live is to suffer, but it isn't JUST pain and suffering. It is also joy, excitement, love, and all things good. You cannot have the good without the bad. Trying to avoid suffering is the hallmark of the coward.

It's fundamentally a mystical paradigm.
It's about deconstructing the ego and it's hold on the perceiver. Then experiencing the reality underlying that.
Mistaking meaning for the inherent nature of being is the point of the philosophy.
Whether you choose to believe that or not is up to you. But your comment gives me the notion you haven't really taken the time to understand oriental thinking and beliefs.

>"Buddhism is cringe because"
>[describes buddhism]
The first Noble Truth in the practice of classic Buddhism is that suffering is an inescapable part of life.
Acceptance of suffering is a necessary step before enlightenment, and everything else you just described is straight out of Buddhist philosophy too.

The OP post literally describes a way to escape the cycle of death and rebirth to avoid suffering. The end goal of Buddhism is to fade into oblivion. It is in its fundamental thought the diametrical opposite of acceptance of suffering. Buddhism tries to avoid suffering so hard that its core value is based around ceasing to exist altogether to escape it.

I prefer the Daoist mentality of aligning your will with that of the Dao. It’s similar in the removing of your own personal desires and ego, and also far less kitschy and reliant on gurus

IM GOING TO SHAVE NOW

LMAOOOO SHAVING MY BEARD AND SHIT HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHA

Nevermind that the main argument isn't regarding your perception of things, but your reaction to them.

All this philosophy is gay, tbh fam. It is what it is. Our lives have no objective meaning, we're just in a universe (possibly multiverse) that doesn't care about us. But subjective meaning is just as good perhaps better. Make your own meaning.

Mystical experiences are pretty bad ass.
Also somewhat terrifying.

That has nothing to do with it. The entire reason Buddhism as a form of spiritual guidance exists is to escape samsara, because the being in the cycle of death and rebirth means experiencing suffering, and the only way to not experience suffering is to escape that cycle. It isn't accepting suffering at all, it's rejecting it so hard it wants to get rid of the entire framework of life that surrounds it.

I did Salvia once. I would almost call it mystical experience if I didn't know the brain/mind connection. But to cut the story short I "went to space" and apparently started shouting "what the fuck's going on" for about 20secs.

Salvia is terrible.
Try something like a low-dose lsd or mushroom trip.

Yeah just stop desiringbfood and water and youre good, right? Fuckin retard.

Fuck shrooms. I've only gotten mild effects from them. Salvia actually wasn't that bad. Just didn't know what to expect at the time. Never tried lsd though.

Shrooms are twisted. Stick to lower doses on those. But they can be interesting if done right.
I did not like salvia at all lol.
LSD is good/well rounded.
Who knows, maybe different people react differently to various psychedelics?
We could research that but Richard Nixon said no 60 years ago.

Eliminating desire completely is enlightenment. A handful of enlightened people in history, so this is a lottery, just instead of paying couple of bucks for a ticket, your ticket is a lifetime of discipline and completely change lifestyle. This is false advertisement at it's finest. The reality is, this path will help the ones who put time, effort and dedication to it, with very varying results, but will never reach the end goal.

Honestly I love X. Haven't done it in a while, and I know it's not good if you do too much (wears down serotonin receptors or something). It's my 3rd favorite drug after alcohol and tobacco.

Maybe one day scientists will develop the perfect psychedelic that leads to mystical experiences without all the downside.
Until then were stuck with stoner science.

Fuck your "mystic" shit. I just do it to get high. I firmly believe science is the way to understand reality (least as best as humanly possible).

Not that user, but that "mystic" shit might very well be things science just can't describe yet, but might confirm in the future. It might also be a load of horse shit. Making an assumption in either direction while claiming it is knowledge seems conceited though.

I know nothing other than I exist. Cogito ergo sum.

We all do it to get high.
Science can only understand gross material aspect of reality. But fails completely when integrating larger ideas.
Let alone metaphysical and epstemic nuance lol.
Science has it's purpose but it isn't THE purpose.

Science killed philosophy. Deal with it.

I very rarely say this user, but maybe you're actually right.
I think you just changed my perspective on the matter. I do only do it just to get high lol. If I'm being self honest.
I know this board is used to flinging shit and arguing, but you just seriously changed my mind for the better.
You're right. I was retarded for thinking that way and I won't do it again lol.
Thank you.

What fking idiot thinks we evolved to suffer? Stop listening to demons user.

> here rheumatoid

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I wouldn't say we evolved to suffer, but pain IS a part of life.

Oh, really? Diseases, viruses, bacteria, genetic disorders, injuries, starvation, mental diseases, abuse, loss of material things and people, inevitable death and.. Desire encapsulates it perfectly. You desire to healthy, happy, realized, loved, etc. Life is constant suffering.

Are you trying to contradict me? Cuz seems to me you're proving my point.

>constant suffering

Well, except this part. I mean, if your life is constant suffering, just an hero. As for me, I do find joy in life.

If your goal is to end suffering, you’ll hit a dead end. Having any goal is missing the point. It’s hard to teach but simple.

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Yes. dubs checked

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So what's the point? That nothing objectively matters? Western philosophy figured that out hundreds of yeas ago.

Amitabha.

It’s more about working to free yourself from desire so you can be happy and loving by default. It’s practical. It’s a pretty simple algorithm. Lots of disciplines have different mantras and sutras and meditation practices but the idea is the same. Think of it like brain training. Some people understand the “trick” to it quickly and benefit a lot. You should see it, something may even click for you if you give it a chance.

>be free of desire for years
>hornet stings you while meditating
>suffer once more

Eh, my parents were Nichiren Buddhists. Gladly they didn't push their beliefs on me. It's simple really. People want shit, and sometimes they'll fight to get it. This is the human condition. We don't need metaphysical horseshit to explain or justify it.

You should note a distinction between pain and suffering. Pain is a sensation, suffering is an emotional state. You can experience the sensation without falling into the emotional state. That’s one of the cool tools you can learn.

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Desire will be eliminated but through brave new world tech.