This is the best Indie Rock album ever made
not even close
There is a distinction between this style of early 80s alternative rock, and indie rock that came about in the late 80s and 90s.
>rock music released on an independent label
>it's not indie it's alternative
"Alternative" isn't a genre so much as a strategy used by major labels to market bands after Nirvana's breakthrough. "Indie rock" isn't a genre either btw
You're wrong m8, Both have distinct sounds.
>WERE SPECIAAAAAAAL IN OTHER WAYS
I love this album, and I would agree with you, but if you were to include what I’d consider alternative like this guy does then no, it wouldn’t be. Honestly I don’t know what’s indie and what’s not, but Built to Spill definitely is.
they do. but i thought OP just meant indie rock releases in the most literal sense. i actually didnt realize this until just now but Perfect from Now On is actually BtS' major label debut so it's really not even indie in that sense. I think it has a lot more in common with post-rock honestly.
>I don’t know what’s indie and what’s not, but Built to Spill definitely is
Yeah I think anything released by a rock band that started out on an independent label belongs in the conversation
This is much better. Never got the hype behind BTS
>I think it has a lot more in common with post-rock honestly
meant to just say "a lot in common".
>Pic
Closer than that
>x isn't a genre
brainlet comment.
perfect from now on is a rare (in indie bands) confluence of competence in lyrics, instrumentation, & buildup / payoff
sebadoh is based tho, good taste
there really is no other way to define indie rock other than "rock music released on an independent label". there are too many different styles of music that fit this description for it to be a single genre
You mean Pavement - Slanted And Enchanted?
genre is not defined purely by aesthetic. we've had this conversation a million times.
see: krautrock vs post-rock
krautrock and post rock are from two completely different eras. the terms are specific enough that you can discuss specific albums and artists without having to discuss vast swathes of other rock music. yes there are plenty of similarities between the two and it's not worth comparing them and evaluating which is superior or whatever. but if someone wants to talk about krautrock and get recommendations im probably not going to talk about post rock. the only reason we are even having this discussion is because i posted a replacements album in a thread about indie rock and the OP basically said it wasn't indie rock, as if it's some specific sound.
Nothing Pavement ever did is as good as PFNO
>eras
so, not defined by aesthetic.
furthermore, post-rock itself cannot be defined purely aesthetically. "using rock instruments as facilitators of texture and timbre" speaks to an artist's state of mind, not the actual music they create.
the point of kraut / post rock is that if you attempt to define them by aesthetics (aka the content of the music itself) you find that it's literally impossible to differentiate the two with consistency. genres are not defined purely by aesthetic, but remain genres.
alien lanes
yes i agree with what you are saying. i recognize the pointlessness of trying to fit music under certain genre tags. but "indie rock" is an even bigger umbrella term than kraut / post rock and OP acting like the replacements dont belong under that is just ignorance
if everyone tells you 'x' isn't a part of 'y' genre then it typically means that 'x' isn't a part of 'y' genre, because the genre is being defined through mutual intelligibility and social aspects that aren't purely musical
genre is a social grouping mechanism and, as such, is defined by social use. if you're the odd man out and cannot convince people that you're right, it means you're wrong- because agreement is the single most relevant factor in what labels apply to which pieces of music / bands
ignoring, of course, art music, wherein genre labels typically are prescriptive in nature (string quartet comes to mind)
>the genre is being defined through mutual intelligibility and social aspects that aren't purely musical
that's the thing i hate about term "indie rock" is that it also has the literal definition of rock released on an independent label. let it be is factually an indie rock album.
it factually isn't in most music circles and real life because everyone agrees that calling it so is either in bad faith or just absurd
you're talking out of your ass if you think "everyone agrees" on anything in music and you are historically wrong if you don't think the replacements qualify as indie rock
yes please tell me more about how people don't laugh you off when you call Let it Be an indie album
You’re speaking straight facts, son
they dont because i only have dumb conversations like this with strangers on the internet. the replacements dont get talked about here that much but ive read a good deal about them they have literally always been considered an indie rock band. there was literally nothing else to describe them back then other than "punk". "alternative" wasn't coined until the 90s
>they dont because i only have dumb conversations like this with strangers on the internet.
field test your theory and get back to us
>the replacements dont get talked about here that much
lel
> ive read a good deal about them
i also read "our band could be your life"
>they have literally always been considered an indie rock band
they are demonstrably not considered so any more
appealing to tradition isn't really a convincing argument
rewriting history to appeal to your own definitions of genre is also a poor way of discussing of music
your argument:
'x' was considered 'y' before it was considered 'z'
therefore, 'x' is still 'y'
my argument:
'x' is considered 'z' and no longer considered 'z', and by the nature of labels, 'x' is now 'z' and not 'y'
i think you fundamentally misunderstand the crux of the argument, which is that genre labels are intrinsically social and are therefore defined by their social applications. basic descriptivism vs. an appeal to tradition.
>rewriting history
nobody is doing this. im simply pointing out that times have changed, and alongside them so has the consensus on what labels to apply to The Replacements.
my bad really fucked up that post lol
There’s nothing wrong with love and keep it like a secret are better though
tim is the best replacements album though
green mind >>
pretty perfect yeah
the problem is that you can't prove that there is a "consensus" on what is an isnt indie rock in any way. there will always be people who consider independently released rock music "indie rock" and there will be always be people who have stricter definitions. just because someone invented a new label (as if "alternative" is more descriptive somehow than "indie") for them doesn't mean the old label never applies anymore. just doing a quick google search you can see let it be listed as "indie rock" by wikipedia, amazon, discogs, etc. so dont act like no one talks about it on those terms anymore
>tim is the best replacements album though
i like hootenanny the best but tim is probably their most consistent album
>the problem is that you can't prove that there is a "consensus" on what is an isnt indie rock in any way.
1.) talk to other human beings you spaz
2.) any music website that allows genre voting demonstrates consensus within a community
>. just because someone invented a new label (as if "alternative" is more descriptive somehow than "indie") for them doesn't mean the old label never applies anymore.
it's about the context in which those labels apply, and within the context of Yea Forums and most music discussion websites, the replacements aren't viewed as an "indie" band. this is probably due both in part to a change in the way "indie" is understood, alongside a change in view on how the replacements are understood in their style and scene
>just doing a quick google search you can see let it be listed as "indie rock" by wikipedia, amazon, discogs
seems dishonest, let's fact-check
en.wikipedia.org
Genres: Punk rock alternative rock[1][2] college rock[3]
discogs.com
first and foremost classified as alt rock. indie rock also listed
amazon.com
"indie" is recognized as a sub-genre of "alternative" on amazon
so it would seem that yes, they are considered first and foremost "alternative rock" by your own examples. you fucking sped.
i doubt fucking anyone will call independently released hard rock album indie rock
>within the context of Yea Forums and most music discussion websites, the replacements aren't viewed as an "indie" band
i disagree. it's pretty commonplace to see them being brought up in discussions about indie rock.
why are you getting angry?
you literally said labels are socially defined, you see people listing them as indie rock, somehow that doesnt apply but alternative does because it is also listed?
lmao yeah androgynous and unsatisfied are totally hard rock songs. doesnt sound anything like any indie rock band ive ever heard
i'm talking in general
see and dont tell me DJR arent hard
EVERY THOUSAND YEARS
this is the best indie rock album ever made and if you disagree you are wrong
THIS METAL SPHERE
fucking based
Ha. That's cute, kid.
This is true. it's the only 10/10 rock album ever released.
Always preferred TNWWL
Every album posted in this thread is 10/10. This genre is so expansive and loosely defined that it's almost impossible to pick a favorite.
But they have better albums, namely “You in Reverse”
Lol
completely and utterly based
I'm just using the term how I've always seen it used.
I've heard them called college rock, hardcore punk, alternative rock, and even power pop at some point in time. I'm not sure with whom you normally discuss music, but in the circles I run in indie and alternative rock are two different things.
>indie and alternative rock are two different things
explain the difference
name a bad BTS album, they are amazing
According to RYM "Beginning in the late '80s and early '90s, an outgrowth of this style known asIndie Rockdeveloped, largely through the music ofPixies and, later,Pavement. This genre is generally "looser" in style and less bound by traditional methods of song structure and production than alternative rock."
So basically it boils down to
>indie rock is "looser" in style than alternative rock
which tells me you've never listened to the replacements because they are one of the loosest rock bands of all time
>but they started before pixies and pavement so they aren't indie they're alternative!
there will never be one single we can point to as the beginning of indie rock. the term has been used to describe bands as far back as 1980. i dont care what you want to call the replacements but the idea that they aren't an indie rock band because they don't fit RYMs description of indie rock is just wrong
lol at the idea that people can even differentiate between these two supposed genres
>hmm this is slightly too loose to be alternative therefore it's actually indie
>huh these a song structures and production choices are just traditional enough to make this indie album alternative
you'd have to be massively autistic to even care about this so-called distinction