/jrg/ - Job Rant General #13

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How do I get a Data warehouse/ETL Developer job? Switching from mechanical engineering, I have roughly 3 years of SQL experience at a reasonable level (being able to solve medium puzzles on leetcode).

I hate working from home and being isolated at work, is IT in general a bad idea?

Suffering doesn't build shit if all you can do is to suffer. There's no experience to build upon in other words. Suffering a shit job situation also does nothing but wastes your time after a short while of you being there. Getting stuck for years in such place will yield you nothing but the most basic experience that will only slightly increase your job prospects.

This desu, I stayed in a job I hated for longer than I should and it brought nothing but stress and misery.

And now you know not to stay in a situation of suffering longer than you need to. Lessons are only wasted if nothing is learned

>I hate working from home and being isolated at work, is IT in general a bad idea?
yes honestly.

>I hate working from home and being isolated at work, is IT in general a bad idea?
Do you mean in terms of being of the data analytics space? Oh fuck no. I specialize in Financial as well as Supply Chain data. Guess what, all the people I work with are either fresh out of uni or 40+ year old milfs in really skimpy pencil skirts.
Shame we're still at a reduced office capacity, can't wait until everyone goes back and I'm surrounded by hormone filled early twenty qts or sexually unsatisfied wives.
Shame I never actually do anything, can't shit where you eat.
All our "banter" are green jokes.

sounds pretty chill user

I'm asking because due to covid regulations I hardly had any regular work-related interactions in the last year or so (I maybe talk to my supervisor every 2-3 weeks to discuss my process)

I am not a particularly extroverted person but this kind of isolation is slowly driving me insane.

>Scrum master and PM talk about how we keep having too much unplanned work coming into our sprints and how they don't know what to do about it.
Say no? Aren't the PM and scrum master supposed to field requests for extra work?

I changed the color palettes of the website but the customer doesn't get back to me regarding their feedback.

Got damn it, guess I will study more about Postprocessing and Frontend

>student worker for government
>get hired back in august
>took 3 months for management to do the paperwork so i can work
>start working as old boss was leaving the team
>no proper training due to work-from-home order and boss leaving
>don't get any log in information needed to do my work
>everyone worked weird hours, so emails about point above don't get answered for days
>new boss, manager and supervisor all take a 2 week break so my problems aren't answered
>no meeting scheduled
>no assignments
>new person gets hired as new boss, no one tells me
>receive re-hiring application in january
>re-hiring application goes unnoticed for 3 weeks because new boss is settling in
>mid-february
>finally have a meeting with new boss and supervisor
>mention assignment that they think works for me
>doesn't anything else other than "we're just checking who's able to do these assignments"
>no email from them afterward
>spend my work hours doing AWS and Azure workshops since department has keys for that
>still no word about assignment
>contract ends on the 16th
>have the feeling i won't be re-hired for the summer
Man, and people think the government is inefficient and a waste of money

>this kind of isolation is slowly driving me insane.
A lot of it depends on the structure of your company.

Is your company small enough where a single dedicated BI team can take on the entire company's needs for analytics?
Tough luck, you will be sitting with stinky IT nerds most of the time unless you're in a meeting with your stakeholders, and being stuck with stinky IT nerds is a fate worse than death.

Is your company obscenely large enough to the point where each department is essentially its own company in terms of size? Good, you'll be dedicated to a single organization where the data you have to deal with will all be related to each other, and at this point the structure is more or less something where you are no longer part of the IT department, but rather you're a part of whatever organization you're in (e.g. finance, supply chain and planning, customer service, HR, etc). I pointed out these 4 domains because this is where the qts are.
Get into Finance and Supply Chain if you want challenge.
Get into CS and HR if you want an easy life.

Read: The Data Warehouse Toolkit, 3rd Edition, Ralph Kimball
In terms of DW concepts, this book has everything you need.
I personally refuse to work with any BI person who has not gone through this entire book. It is one of my filters when conducting interviews.
It's the equivalent of The C Programming Language, K&R.

t. BI Manager, 2 years as an embedded SE, 5 years as a BI Analyst, 3 years as a Data Engineer.

I know that feeling.
I want to do a few internships without college, but I am scared they won't even look at me because of that.

Thanks user, I will keep that in mind.
As for your recommendation, the book is actually on my reading list, along with 'T-SQL Fundamentals' by Izik Ben-Gan.

How do I realistically increase my chances of getting hired? Would you recommend doing and publishing some smaller projects on github or things like that?

I got hired last spring and got a message on teams earlier this week that they didn't get any info about my background check, from 10 months ago, and they wanted to know if I actually had one. I have no idea how we didn't collapse yet.

As with any job, having the right educational background and work experience is always the way to go.
Given your situation (ME, working as an ME? but with SQL experience), your best bet is simply to just try to apply to BI jobs but narrow it down into:
1. Look for "Business Intelligence Analyst" or "Data Analyst" roles. These are the entry points.
2. Limit yourself to openings which specifically deal with the kind of data you already know. I'd rather hire an ME with 3 years of SQL experience rather than a CS grad with 3 years of SQL experience for the roles I mentioned above.

As a DA you won't be designing DWs or creating ETL/ELTs but you will get a glimpse of it, and your role is mostly as an SQL monkey writing analytical reports.
As a BIA, in the past this role used to be all in one: ETL, DW, reports. In some cases this is still happening, but "BI" roles are slowing down because roles are now getting more and more distinct.
Natural career progression is getting DA>BI>DE/DS>ML/AI.

It's a very easy field and also very lucrative if you can reach the point of being able to throw around buzzwords such as "forecasting", "streaming data", "machine learning", or "artificial intelligence". Suckers eat that shit up.
Good luck.

Is it hard to land an entry-level IT job with a Bachelor's that's in a completely unrelated field and limited IT work experience (I troubleshoot and repair access points and laptops in a warehouse, dunno if that really counts as IT work)? I've also got my A+ cert and I'm studying for Net+.

>I'd rather hire an ME...
If the position that I'm hiring for specifically deals with ME data. Something like getting a shot at Rolls Royce perhaps? Fuck if I know, I've never dealt with ME people before, for supply chain related stuff I also only have dealt with EEs and planners/buyers.
Anyway you get the idea.

I somehow ended up in this weird niche where I mostly analyze patent data (picture related). Filings per firm / technology field / geographical area over time, basically. For engineering purposes, this data is not very interesting however..

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>this data is not very interesting however..
Neither are you!

Xd

I petition to change the name of the thread to Jobs and Internships Rant Anonymous, or /jira/

>hurr and now you know you shouldn't get a shitty job
no fucking shit retard
kill yourself

I have 160k salary (TC) with good benefits. I work at home and the workload at my company is not large most of the time. What should I do to make extra money?

There are people who will stay in a shitty job their whole life as long as they get a chance to bitch about it to someone. Now that user knows to move on

I've been setting up SSO and containers and other bullshit for over a week now. I hate SAML I hate OAuth2 I hate OIDC

>Man, and people think the government is inefficient and a waste of money
>work-from-home-order pushed by government
hm

probably some /biz/ stuff like options trading

Why is getting a game development job so difficult? I never make it past the tech rounds despite solving the problems. It seems apparently there's always someone better. Is it really that difficult to get a job like that despite having over ten years of career experience?

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Boomer Product management lady put another meeting on . The only other senior is leaving the team next week. Im gonna ask for an internal transfer once this project shits the bed

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Time builds character.

Good times build character, bad times build character.

Remember, you're always climbing

They don't want you because you'll ask for too much money

Is that really the reason? I did say that my min salary requirements is 120K. But no one ever calls that out as being too much.

probably, every AAA game that comes out now is buggy as shit on release, they probably develop them in India

greed knows no bounds user. that's why most software are shit. if a company can hire a retard for a couple of bucks they'll do it.

>no one ever calls that out
You can literally shit yourself in the interveiw process and they wont say anything. When I was interviewed for a globehomo company I was flat out told that they are forbidden from saying anything negative. If you passed the interview process they should say what they can offer though.

Employers rarely give you the real reason that they don't hire you, they'd rather go with a safe answer that won't come back to bite them in the ass.
[spoiler] It could also be that you're a white male, if you are one. Corporate diversity mandates are a real thing.

>It could also be that you're a white male
Ironically, Im not. I dont exactly look like the standard white, asian, and sometimes pajeet hires that fill these position.

Atlassian

It's probably not because of diversity mandates. Game dev hr are the ultimate choosy beggars and they generally only want people with prior game dev experience and refuse to budge

If you're trying to transition into the field it's a bitch even if you have a lot of experience outside game dev. You can try getting in as a tools programer for a game dev studio. Then do an internal transfer.

I have game dev experience actually, which I assume is why they gave me a chance. But I also live in Texas instead of the game dev hotspots, despite them saying the jobs are remote.

>current job
>Desktop Support
>$20/hr with possible raise in few months (lol)
>two weeks PTO
>pretty comfy job, only real downside is that I work onsite M-F
>new job
>Operations Field Engineer, contract to hire
>$32/hr
>also onsite, but only 3 days a week for 12 hour night shifts
>similar benefits when brought on board

What do? My plan was to work on some projects and land a remote cloud engineer role but idk.

You too huh?

Probably a dumb question, but have you applied at any of the places in Texas? Lots of studios in Austin (yeah I know) and Houston iirc.

Mention you're open to remote / relocation even if you're not. You might be able to flex during the interview and have an in.

Also it seems like 99% of jobs are unreal / unity so you need to make them think you're an expert at both these days. I only hear negative things about the industry so I went into computer graphics and work in adjacent fields (gis, visualizations) that let me do cg without the crunch gamedev has. Something like that may be an option for you depending on your niche in game dev.

A few places actually got to me in Austin (EA and Unity). The first job slipped through and the second one they repurposed to someone who already worked there. The rest have all been from california. All the interviews Ive been through so far was everyone from those companies reaching out to me.

I usually say I am. And on my linked in, I have that, too.

I know Unity, but only dabbled in Unreal. Im usually contacted for my C#/C++ and game dev experience. I get a ton of non game dev job requests, but Im interested mostly in getting back into the game dev industry. I know it's silly, but that's where the bulk of my interest is. I spent since I was in middle school making games and learning programming.

>Read: The Data Warehouse Toolkit, 3rd Edition, Ralph Kimball
This book is a load of bullshit and you're either a boomer tier do-nothing jackoff or a pathetic LARPer.

Medical IT guy again. Swear to god doctors are schizos. Had a doctor refuse to give me a call back number because he wanted it fixed NOW despite me having to send his issue to one of our other teams. And then he was a disrespectful ass to one of the analysts on that time.

I spend more time programming this robot that i bought from alibaba than my jira tickets.

repost because other thread died any more opinions?

>given green light to learn js
How much of a curve is this from Java?

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is the federal vaccine mandate still in effect or did the supreme court kill

there never was a mandate. no law on the books

JS is a simple scripting language but it's full of autistic quirks.

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>true +true+true===3
>true

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>true+true+true
3

What's so weird about this?

Do you guys like work from home or work from office?

3====D

From the office. I just love the vibe of the office and seeing everyone's faces.

I might have commute for my job for the first time soon and a major public transportation line is out of commission for the rest of the year so it'll be 4 hours wasted per day to go into the office to talk with people on teams who aren't even in the same country as me. Fuck office work.

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Office for me.

From office...I'd like to work from home though.

I felt like I did well during the final interview and at the end the hiring manager said "we'll get back to you next week with next steps", but I still haven't heard back 8 days later. Should I send a follow-up email, and if so, what should I say?

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Dont even bother. They usually will use that as an excuse to say

>we chose to go with someone else.

Usually I assume it means Im not important so I just move on. It sucks but thats how things go

it took 3 months because the old boss didn't fill out all the forms, so they got rejected. so i was asked over and over to refill out the same form until they realized the problem was on their side.

>writing my master thesis
>transportation engineering

I just wanted a 20 hours per week working student job. I had experiences with Python and R. Never get an interview

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I wash tourist women feet for a living while learning Full-Stack on codecademy and being in HS.

I have a fucking amazing salary, can support myself and spend on my thiccpad but holy fuck I wish I were doing some office or computer stuff instead. I feel like I'm wasting my time.

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Ask them if they're still interested in continuing the process. It's not uncommon for them to forget or skip one or two candidate when giving out results.

Friends. What impression does it give to an employer when I have a job listed on my CV where I only stayed for about 6 months?
So I just got my first junior positions in January. I'm getting lots of offers now that I've set my foot in the industry. And these companies are offering already like twice the trash pay I'm getting now. The only thing that's keeping me from taking (any) of them is because A) I'm pretty thankful to the startup I'm in now for taking me with no prior experience and B) I don't know what it makes me to an employer if I quit so early.
Thoughts for a zoomer? Still in uni doing my degree.

Neutral to not a good sign. Unless your pay is literal minimum wage tier stay for another 6 months and then job hop for thrice the current pay.

Yeah this is basically the advice my uni pals are giving me as well. So it's an unspoken rule that you should stick to a job you've accepted for at least a year, right? Thanks though.

>giving out results.
they give you guys results?

>haven't barely done anything in my WFH job for months
>starting to lose motivation and drive
>starting to lose skills
>imposter syndrome kicking in hard
I was happier when I had a Tier-III Helpdesk type of job. Felt like I was actually making progress. Things have just been stagnant for awhile.

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Give it to me. I only need like 1k a month and I could live like a king in my country.

this picture is retarded. some of them I understand are stupid, like [] + {} and {} + [], and '+' being the concat operator but the fag who made this doesnt understand floating point numbers, booleans, or the difference between '==' and '==='.

I've entered the suffering stage of my job, but I still need to put in another 6 months at least before I job hop again.

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One short tenure is fine, especially for young people. Three jobs of < 1year would be red flag, though.
Also, later you can simply omit the short job from your resume. Especially since you are student still.

If the companies are offering you twice the money already, they presumably don't care about you staying only for a short time.

The new meme in transport planning is cellular automata and land-use integration with route planning. There are only like 3 people alive who know how to do that as of now but clients keep asking for this kind of meme. Maybe build a personal project of something like that using QGIS if its necessary or whatever else you need. You can also pull data off of Tomtom's 2500 free API calls a day and build an ML model for route optimization for traffic off that or whatever else you want to impress recruiters. Or you can check out the INRIX traffic scorecard. There's a wealth of information from which you can build unique shit and present new ideas for transport planning. SWE/data science is such a braindrain on other fields like ours where everyone is a boomer hungup on using 30 year old software & old methods for modelling, that people like us can really shine if we bring these meme ideas into our fields. Find a way to incorporate data science into transport planning and you'll make it.

>So it's an unspoken rule that you should stick to a job you've accepted for at least a year, right?
Yeah, pretty much. SWEs are expensive to hire and train, so quitting after 6 months as a Jr means you probably wasted the company's time and money without making any meaningful contributions.
>Thanks though.
You're welcome lad, welcome to the ride.

>I wash tourist women feet for a living
How does this make you feel? Asking for a friend.

>Also, later you can simply omit the short job from your resume. Especially since you are student still.
This is actually a fair point. Like my rationale atm is that I just want to list /any/ job on my resume just to show that I do have professional experience. Like if I were to accept a job offer with significantly higher pay - after that; I doubt I'd get offers with such variability. So in any case, I could just list it as my "first".

>So it's an unspoken rule that you should stick to a job you've accepted for at least a year, right?
Does it count towards a year if I spent 6 months on a paid internship before the company hired me?

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disregard the other dude, for junior roles it's perfectly fine to have a short term job on your cv. Your first job being shit is expected and no one will hold it against you.

From home because I hate commuting.

I worked at PTV (you probably know them) with optimization...

Thing is, even here in Germany, transport modelling is such a pain in the ass niche to get into. And my german is just B1. I wanted to learn something with a part time while I write my thesis but I guess I'll just work in a restaurant until september

Have:
>Biochem Bachelor's degree
>CompTIA A+
>CCNA
>RHCSA
>"know" Python/JS
Will Have Soon:
>CompTIA Sec+
>RHCE
27 years old, no work experience other than grueling warehouse work
I'm posting this here because most of you actually have jobs. Should I just apply for some basic bitch IT job first? They're not going to hire a junior sys admin with no IT experience are they? Any sort of guidance from ye damned would be appreciated here.

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Sure, it would for me.

name an alternative then

I don't even troubleshoot anymore when it doesn't work I just tear it down and build it again fuck shit not working in the current year
devops "engineer" btw

It was gross, then I just got used to it after two weeks (kek). Even though I wear gloves it's just so goddamn weird, and the worst part is when you have people that can't take thirty fucking minutes of their day to take care of their feet so they don't look and smell like shit, and even worse when they have some fungus or whatever. I've seen some shit.

But then you have beautiful women, the kind that you'd shit your pants if they talked to you. Most of them have really pretty feet which after a year and a half has kind of awaken some feet fetish on me, which makes me feel weird.
Now, a good thing is that washing said beautiful women feet every day has given me a shit ton of confidence to the point where I can just approach them on the street or whatever (to ask for their number or to ask them out, idk.) with no issues or without feeling nervous at all.
Just think about it, you touch 10/10's feet every day, after doing that the sky is the limit, or at least that's how it was for me.

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You have a lot of theoretical knowledge and could easily fake work xp on your resume

I didn't want to make a thread since I don't really know what my point is, but I suppose people itt might be wise. How fucked am I in the job market if I have a relevant degree but in general have done no side projects, internships etc and have done the bare minimum programming to scrape by while passing? So far I'm in the second year of my meme cyber security degree, have probably written less than 1-2k lines of code total ever and feel years behind some of my peers. Is it possible to be a lazy cunt who's not all that into it all and still get employed like I'm hoping?

Got a job and it's fucking horrible
For context I have 2 years of shitty (or so it seemed) experience making web shops in PHP, read some books here and there and started applying them, felt pretty good but I realized the framework we're working with is total shit and I just wanted to improve
So after 3 months NEET break (after my savings run out) I find this job
>"Here we got:
>SOLID!
>Tests!
>OOP!
>microservices!
>and other buzzwords
And then I look at the code and it's just utter shit
>((models)) and ((services)) approach aka procedural data and functions. Absolutely zero encapsulation
>self-written shit components for things that already exists in the framework and libraries they use
>at least one 900 loc function
>found 300 unit tests in one repo, 250~ of which fail on master branch, last update 2 years ago
Worst part is, judging by git blame it was shit from the very start, 6 years ago, and no one in 6 years thought "hmm maybe we should refactor this"
Hopefully I'll be able to find another job quickly, these people seem legit illiterate
Sadly this town sucks and my best bets are either nepotism or passing an impossible interview check

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Home. My manager said everyone has to go back in September so I started looking for jobs instead. Can't wait to quit over this so he realizes how dumb he his for mandating in person.

If you're trying to get into entry level developer roles then try to at least find an internship. Otherwise with no internship or side projects you may not even get to the leetcoding and interviews.

For IT jobs though it's more about certs than projects from what I can understand from other anons (not sure since I'm in devops basically).

Why would you join that industry? The pay is shit and the hours atrocious. Better to get the money from a regular dev job and do gamedev as an hobby.

Mostly for the network and game dev experience. There's a lot you can learn being in the industry and working on commercial titles compared to the hobby trade.

>hmm maybe we should refactor this
Said no manager ever.

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You are a retard. You will learn nothing and be forced to write C# file format transformers for 12 hour days, 6 days a week. No one does "game programming" except solos and a few GenXers who will die making too much money and never being replaced because of boomer managers.
The advice from is actually correct.

Looking behind, I feel like our team achieved nothing in last 2 months. No real progress in our project. Team has no real lead. Everyone is either slacking, clueless or burnout

How do fuck I get out of this dysfunctional team? Not all projects are like this but I doubt I will be ever moved. I hate working in this project I have no hope for

You guys speak a hot game. Have any of you been in the game industry to speak on it?

>Management finally announced workforce reductions are being considered after weeks of rumors of money troubles
>Literally the only person on the data engineering team that knows all our systems so I think I'm safe
>But I've seen management make several questionable decisions
>I can imagine them going down the list and saying "wtf, why are we paying this fat fuck $140K/yr?"

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>The advice from is actually correct
in USA

>all these letters
Do americans really?

As a Wordpress developer I gotta say, I'm probably the smartest person here.

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this but its many 1500+ LOC functions and the code is 20+ years old

>wordpress
>smart

huehue

I used to like the office. But being WFH 2 years straight has grown on me. I have a kickass office setup. A USB multiplexer so I don't have to crawl under my desk to switch my keyboard and mouse from my work laptop to my computer. And a nicer office chair than the one I had in the office.

They are probably interviewing other people and waiting for those interviews to be over before making a decision. But email them a reminder if you wish, 2 weeks is a bit too long

Why zoomers are allergic to long functions? If large code blocks, such as big for loops or if blocks, have comments that roughly explains what they do, then how is that any worse than calling a function that is called from only one place?

If your IDE is not shit, you can toggle large code blocks with scopes like that.

I would take it for 3/12's alone user desu.

Bit tricky. I have the A+ and Sec+ and truthfully they help but only to get entry-level jobs. RHCSA is good, CCNA is the most valuable.

You may have to settle for an entry-level job at first i.e. support, helpdesk, etc. You can hold out for a non-support job (maybe junior network eng with a CCNA) but it will prob take longer and be more demoralizing - work experience is still king. Still apply for non-support jobs, but if you have to accept support then shoot for somewhere you can move upward quickly. The best would probably be a small to midsize company where you can start as unofficial helpdesk and then prove yourself with more and more responsibilities until you're basically like a jr. sysadmin. That's what I did at my first job. MSPs are also good to get a lot of experience quickly but they can pidgeonhole you pretty easily too. Good luck user, just start applying.

based I would do the same, good luck

I would also like to believe managers are smart and I would be the last to fire but who knows. If your manager knows you are the only person that knows his shit then you are probably safe?

Still start updating your CV and start looking for jobs, no harm doing so

Retard. Don't say your salary requirements or enjoy staying jobless

>I worked at PTV (you probably know them) with optimization
If you worked at PTV then you're probably more in a position to give me advice rather than the other way around kek. What kind of optimization did you do? Conventional VISUM/VISSIM stuff or did you piss around with ML? Pay for transport modelling is kind of shit at least where I live, so I'm trying to "introduce" all the data science memes at my workplace so that I have something on my resume to jobhop to a high-paying data science job in a year or 2.

>just do interviews for jobs you won't accept
Even if you don't say your expectations, hiring people would ask for it. No point not discussing it beforehand and wasting each others' time.

I got a level one help desk job with just A+

It was surprisingly easy too. Just gotta have low standards and be willing to make crap money for a while.

Those are all shit memes. You need to actually build shit even if its something that's barebones min-effort as long as you can bullshit about your project, its implications, methods you can improve it, etc for 20mins+ for an interview. Look into cloud/aws and docker/kubernetes. Also infosec is a good application for your rudimentary networking knowledge if you're interested in that. I recommend TCM-sec's practical ethical hacking and then try to do some bug bounties instead of falling for the OSCP/tryhackme box memes.

Short functions is easier to comprehend at once. In long function, if variable is declared two screens up from where i am currently investigating shit, its not immediately obvious what possible other changes to it could happen in the meantime.
Also, tests.

What's the most entry level tech job I can get?

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>troubleshoot and repair APs and laptops

That literally is IT. There are loads of helpdesk people who do less - you're for sure qualified for an entry-level helpdesk or support job. Also I wouldn't get Net+ if you want to go into networking though - CCNA is harder but is looked upon better by employers and in some cases is required (for network engineering, not other stuff). But if you're not planning to go into networking then it doesn't really matter.

And to answer your question, I had a music degree and got an entry level IT job pretty quickly just from personal tech interest, no IT experience whatsoever. I was working in a warehouse also.

You're autistic? Let me repeat it slowly: you don't talk about salary in the first interview dumbass or noone will hire you.

If your functions are longer than 50 lines, and it's not some repetitive statement like a switch or if/else, then you're retarded and need to learn to break up your functions better.

Literally any generic SQL book or EDA/data-processing guide that doesn't involve jacking off over theoretical business use-cases without any technical explanations.

Based user. Hope recruiters are as reasonable as you are in my shithole 2nd world country.

I'm tired of being a NEET shackled to my computer 18hours a day of my own mind prison doings.

Massaging a beautiful woman's feet sounds like euphoric bliss to me but getting paid to do it as a job for 8 hours a day without involving any sexual connotations would probably kill my fetish rather than activate it desu.

Who's in hardware making more than $120K with

It's good practice to say your salary requirements, retard. Thats why I have a job.

In case the variable name is not clear and you absolutely need to know type of it

>ctrl click variable
>it scrolls to where it was declared
>use your shortcut to go back (4th or 5th mouse button by default)
or
>hover over the variable
>it shows the type/declaration
This flow works no matter where the variable is, in another header, a global, a member or a local. Visually searching for where variable is defined, even if it is right on your screen, doesn't sound any easier

A surprising amount of jobs find it distasteful to discuss salary in a first interview. I agree with you that it's stupid not to, but there are definitely some places that will take it negatively, even if just as an indication of your social skills. I was actually explicitly told by a recruiter one time when I was applying to a job for a NASA contractor not to discuss salary in the first round.

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Faggot, its the recruiters that ask for it. I dont talk about it when talking to the actual people at the company.

remember managers often think their product is complete and fire entire QA/testers departments thinking they don't need them anymore

where you live?

Location optimization for air taxis using VISUM and some sort of genetic algorithm. That was my first thesis but I failed it kek

>noone will hire you.
I am not OP but he seems to be on the same boat. We are already hired user, and if you are only looking for a better job then what is point of not stating your requirements?

If you are a fresh graduate on the edge of starving, sure. Perhaps you can say "I am flexible" when they ask you your salary. But for already employed people there is no point

Anyone have any experience snagging a 1st world job while living in a 3rd world tax haven? I'm a Canadian thinking of moving somewhere cheap but still want to work Canadian jobs and earn Canadian income. I'm not talking about moving somewhere else while still working your current job, but getting hired for a new (remote) job while you're completely based in another country. I can't do this with my current job so I'd have to quit if I decided to move. I just want to know first if its feasible to find a new job when I'm already in the 3rd world to begin with.

I don't remember not being asked for my expectations while looking for jobs but maybe that was just my experience

There is a time when you can talk about this and not directly in the first interview unless they asked about it

>3rd world tax haven
canada is not a tax haven

I disagree, forcing artificial limits like that leads to even more unreadable code. If you are breaking up your functions for the sake of it then it leads to non clear functions that is not super clear on what it does and often takes tons of parameters. In that case it is worse than having a long function

That sounds really interesting user if you embellish it and put it on your CV you can probably get a nice job ez. There are so few transport planners where I live that I could get doxxed if I told you unfortunately kek. But there really isn't much of a future in this field or for many other fields either if they don't drastically up wages upto SWE level.

What is your suggestion? Wait until the very end? Ask it on second? After technical interviews?


In my case I was being already asked, and you will be probably asked if you are leaving an existing job and especially if one of your reasons is "low pay"

I rarely ever see a case in which a function that is longer than 50 lines is written well. I see tons more cases of giant monolithic functions that are doing way to fucking much.

Yes but i want to live in one while working a Canada-based job. I understand I'll have to pay income tax but that's all I'll have to pay.

Of course there are cases where you have to have long functions, but generally speaking most long functions (with a crapton of arguments) are just the result of multiple developers iteratively adding tiny extra features one by one resulting in an unmaintainable monster.

>forcing artificial limits like that leads to even more unreadable code.
Honestly, it very rarely felt forceful to me.

what is with this faggot mods, jesus why do we even pay them

What the fuck???

Good afternoon niggers, welcome to /b

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>work for free
>jelly other people complaining about their work
>move their thread to Yea Forums
at least I can post lolis now

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At least move it to /biz/. So fucking gay.