Capet is better than Busch edition
>General Folder #1. Renaissance up to 20th century/modern classical. Also contains a folder of live recordings/recitals by some outstanding performers.
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>General Folder #2. Mostly 20th century/modern with other assorted bits and pieces
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>General Folder #3. Renaissance up to early/mid-20th century. Also contains a folder of Scarlatti sonate and another live recording/recital folder.
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>General Folder #4. Renaissance up to late 19th century
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>General Folder #5. Very eclectic mix
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>General Folder #6. Deutsche Grammophon stuff. Also there's some other stuff in here.
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>Renaissance Folder #1. Mass settings
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>Renaissance Folder #2. Motets and madrigals (plus Leiden choirbooks)
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>Debussy Folder.
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>Jewish Folder
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>Opera Folder. Contains recorded video productions of about 10 well-known operas, with a bias towards late Romantic
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>Book Folder #1. Random assortment of books on music theory and composition, music history etc.
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>Book Folder #2. Comprehensive list of the most important harpsichord and piano pieces through history
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>Capet String Quartet
Best D 810 i'd ever herad
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What makes a good classical album cover?
Should it be a:
A. Photo of the composer/performer(s)?
B. Piece of visual art from around the same time period when the piece was composed?
C. Portrait of the composer?
D. Other?
D
More like Mendelssohn's scottish symphony?
Anything but a picture of the performers.
B is probably the best (the same goes for novels).
>carpet
>better than bush
>pussy is pussy, yo
>tfw cat
Yes, i listen to Mexican classical music, why'd you ask?
>judging a book by its cover
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zetpold
>tfw got my girlfriend into Bruckner
She still hates Schoenberg with a passion though.
Just listened to Das Lied von der Erde. First I was like, heh funny drunk guy singing about spring. But then der Abschied, I never asked for these feels. Wahler is such an emo kid.
If you liked that shit, listen to Zemlinsky's piece next and continue the cycle.
>The form was afterwards imitated by other composers, notably by Shostakovich and Zemlinsky. This new form has been termed a "song-symphony", a hybrid of the two forms that had occupied most of Mahler's creative life.
>Zemlinsky's best-known work is the Lyric Symphony (1923), a seven-movement piece for soprano, baritone and orchestra, set to poems by the Bengali poet Rabindranath Tagore (in German translation), which Zemlinsky compared in a letter to his publisher to Mahler's Das Lied von der Erde (though the first part of Schoenberg's Gurre-Lieder is also a clear influence). The work in turn influenced Alban Berg's Lyric Suite, which quotes from it and is dedicated to Zemlinsky.
It's May the 5th in Europe. Happy 150th birthday Hans.
Happy birthday, you miserable anti-modernist sod.
No way you can get a girl into bruckner
He looks so weak and depressed that I truly feel bad for him
It really depends: if the music is "deep" or "symbolic" like Mahler, Wagner or postromanticism in general, then the B option seems the more adequate. But when the music isn't particuarly special or "sublime", then A and C fit more
You fucker ave let the last two generals die. At this point petzold posterst are more worth than y'all
Why is late 1800s and early 1900s music so CLANG CLANG CLANG? Why can't it be nice and elegant little bits like baroque and classical?
Because you're an effeminate fag that can't deal with violence, passion or any kind of strong impulse
Around 1960s ish you get minimalism which I think is nice
How I can get a girl into bruckner?
>yall
die yank
rude general--sheesh
Easy: if she likes you she will listen to whatever shit you dig. That's how women acquire interests. Almost every time you find an interesting woman it's because she has been trained by past bfs
>fall in love with a girl
>know that she will never be yours
Symphonies for this feel?
weinberg 21
very bleak
Anyanon have a link for a good Parsifal (just music)? I see the 1962 is the hyped one, but I'll def consider any recs. Thanks in advance.
The Knappertsbutch? Yes it's very good
Any links? It's on YouTube.
what do you think of Knappertsbutch?
my only issue with it is that they take the Scherzo too slow. it's very good otherwise.
honestly never understood the obsession with the Busch Quartet. they are very good, true, but I don't think they are so good to feel as if they were utterly irreplaceable. Capet fills a similar niche as them insofar as the string playing goes especially, but I feel as if the Capet are even more charismatic in their renditions. god I miss portamento.
lmao he recorded it in '54 '56 '57 '58 '62
generally too slow, generally too badly played, but occasioanlly brilliant with an inevitable caveat anyway
like, his Bruckner 9 is one of the best on record, but it's also using a garbage edition which usually makes me skip the Scherzo.
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unironically very good, though i do have a softspot for barenboim
Any link for the 1962? Not YouTube.
Their Heiliger Dankgesang sounds incredible
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i think their most relevatory recordings (for me anyway) were the Ravel and Debussy, which i believe were composer-approved, even (if it matters)
simply perfect
can you recommend some chorales not by Bach?
bruckner is for wizards
not symphony but feel
Is this considered /classical/?
Can someone gimme a good recording of Beethoven's 9th, divided into its movements, with good sound quality, mp3 (or just under 500MB), and no weird glitches? that's all I ask
use youtube-dl to download this m8
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Just watched the latest Ted Bundy music and got stuck with the ending sountrack, any tracks with some similar sound? Song starts at 1:08 btw.
Someone answer this
The answer is no
Sure, I listen to Mexican classical music too
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Recommend me a rare song for female voice to impress a Mezzo soprano versed in vocal classical music who hates Mozart and Bach
Just realized that's a Mozart Cover of Queen of the NIght, but can't find the actual cover anywhere.
Does the mustache make the composer or... what's going on here? All the best composers also have the best mustaches: Faure, Scriabin, Granados, the list goes on...
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Any Classical music with Latin chants?
What is best recording of Grosse Fuge?
Never trust a composer without facial hair
What is the best version of Bruckner 8? 1887 or 1890?
Haas' edition includes the best of both worlds - it's based on the 1890 version but includes parts of the 1887 version which he deemed worth keeping.
But overall 1890 is better. The 1887 version has a lot of weird stuff going on overall, honestly. You can listen to Cooke's lecture on it here:
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Thank you so much! Do you happen to have any other resources for exploring version issue in Bruckner’s oeuvre?
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This is seriously fantastic!
Barenboim is a brilliant instrumentalist. Also, does German really use the Norse “r” (trilled)? Or this just an affectation in performance?
No
Most Germans don't use trilled r, but there are regions that use trilled r in everyday use. Classical lieder and operas are something different. You are supposed to trill the r, the French do the same.
Have sex
Teach her the BRAAAAPS
Bend over faggot
Have sex
This-desu.
i see.
The conductor has to be in a leather jacket riding a motorcycle
But only chands can do that
*chads
Gay lmao
close enough
If only he combined them
>20th century minimalism was unironically better than most of what came before
what /classical/ think of yuya wang and why she dress like a whore?
She's fucking terrible
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Pretty good Bartok
Schumann
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Germans have a twisted sense of humor
my favorite piece right now
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I can't stop listening to the finale of Sibelius' 6th. It's truly something magical and transcendent. "Modernist" classical that actually is timeless.
Kna is absurdly based. He can take anything and make it sound like the greatest creation of Man. His only problem is the comparative lack of recordings, that's all that's kept him relatively obscure.
This Strauss intermezzo is one of the greatest recordings the Berlin Philharmonic ever made.
Heard it in a concert a while ago. The end surprised me, because it just ends without a real finale.
Smetana Quartet, 1965. Their album of the late quartets 11-16 are my standard for the repertoire.
For me its the takács quartet(2004)
I mean no ensemble will ever do justice to the late quartets but the takács came pretty close
more like the takass quartet
tackás btfo never to recover
>I mean no ensemble will ever do justice to the late quartets but the takács came pretty close
what the hell does that even mean nigga
Nice, i like the reggae fugue, the rest is ok
My pick is the Alban Berg quartet.
Although I also like the quatorze ébène's interpretation .:
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Meaning that no recording will ever do justice to the late quartets of Beethoven
Same goes for the late sonatas amd the missa solemnis
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Very true. The closest thing to a definitive recording of Beethoven's sonatas would be Schnabel's IMO. But the audio quality is do shit that it can't really be my go-to.
So about the missa solemnis, what's you favorite recording Yea Forums ?
I'd say either Gardiner's or Klemperer's.
No, Backhaus is the closest to definitive.
>reggae fugue
Ewwww
Thanks, will check him out.
Audio quality is better than Schnabel's ?
Much better. He first recorded the entire set in mono from 1950-54, but with the advent of stereo he started again in 1958 and finished 30 of them before dying in 1969, so the Hammerklavier is the mono version.
The whole album was on YouTube, but I can't find it now.
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Beethoven
>c*pland
Brahms
>Contemporary classical music is just plain terri-
A if the photographer and designer are legit talented. Usually never.
B - can be from any period if it looks good and makes sense
C - composers have only a couple of portraits so this usually gets really boring.
It's vidya/anime OST, isn't it?
ya ain't seen nothing yet
Mozart
Uh... You're sure it's Beethoven ?
Air On G String or Claire De Lune?
The one you won't choose will never be played again.
Air is just a cover version so it will be happily lost.
Of course, the hammerklavier and the 30th sonata are mono... Fuck my life.
It's *nime m*sic
Can you stop shilling for this retarded autistic?
mid baroque master kebab
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This is a MIDI realization, right? I would love to hear how this manifests in performance.
Mahler sucks cock.
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Absolutely, I can't wait for the time when he is again considered a (once) famous conductor who happened to compose on the side. Surely the most overhyped, overplayed & overrated composer today.
Prokofiev - Symphony no. 2 "Iron and Steel"
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>The Symphony No. 2's premiere in Paris on June 6, 1925, in a performance led by Serge Koussevitsky was a failure, and Prokofiev later remarked, probably with tongue in cheek, that "neither I nor the audience understood anything in it."
(Not true, by the way)
NOOB here. Never listened to classical music deliberately.
What are the best pieces?
mahler 3
Ironic considering that the form is based on beethoven's last sonata
Mahlers was a gay jew lol
Bach - Menuet in G Major
so was your mom? lol
slavpilled
Swarowsky's Ring's covers are legendary
Recommend me music for someone who has never been in love and doesn't understand how it's supposed to feel
Are you a salty incel or hopeful that you'll find love?
same thing
elite incelcore
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Reminder:
Classical music is garbage; Paul McCartney is the greatest musical genius of all time.
Yikes kill yourselves.
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yeah its MIDI (although quite carefully humanized, and often with parts recorded using MIDI keyboard).
I'll get the score done next, and then can start looking for a performance.
I'd like to do a "kiwi counterpoint" concert with this piece and some of my fugues.
I still haven't heard anything more beautiful and soul touching than Tchaikovsky Pas De Deux after ~10 years of listening to classical music.
You need to listen A LOT more
It did sound pretty decent. Although the faster passages kind of gave it away.
As someone who grew up playing piano but stopped for 10+ years, how does everyone feel about 88 key weighted keyboards? Do I need to take any lessons to get back into it? Most advanced piece I could play was Fur Elise.
the full piece?
Yes. But I've lost most of my skill by now. I was at best an intermediate player.
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I've listened to over 7000 pieces. Maybe I'll come across one more beautiful than Pas De Deux someday.
she gives me a yuja wang
I think they’re fine/fun. A teacher of keyboard insisted that it was affecting my technique, but I probably just had bad technique anyway. So I wouldn’t worry about it.
Mahler has more beauriful moments
Aram Khachaturian - Trio for Violin, Clarinet and Piano : youtube.com
Some very strange forms in this piece.
Lads, I'm hours away from failing a piano test, any tips on how to avoid this from happening again? Maybe something about how to make a good practice routine or whatever
The holy grail of classical music
That shit doesn't matter. Get a stem degree and play piano for fun.
It should be known that he makes it very explicit that these are for “beginners” to the tradition. These works are all great and many are representative of a given musical movement.
>Beethoven 131
>Schubert quintet
>Janacek
>Bartok 4
Noice
have sex
>4 symphony 9's
are you trying to kill us
Skrjabin
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>brandenburger
lol
I just want to get back into piano but can't do a real piano in my apartment.
Why isn't there a chart like this for classical? I know nothing about the genre and feel pretty lost.
Unironically: is a great resource. If you find a work you like, explore works from the same composer, then from the same period.
They are perfect for that purpose.
Stravinsky
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petzold
Cannot refute that his 1st, 2nd, and 6th symphonies are absolute genius. Ruckert Lieder too.
9th is a bit overhyped, I'll give you that.
Reddit: the list
Seriously, it's like you just googled "best classical music" and made a list.
>Hur dur everything I don't like is Reddit
It's actually a solid list mate.
>Verdi's requiem anything other than total trash
>contrarian contrarianism
Composer born in the 1680 decade are the best of all time.
>Brandenburger Concertos
>no shosty 5
dropped
>Jeux
>implying plebs can understand Debussy's late period
>js bach
>handel
>d scarlatti
fair enough
you forgot weiss
But Petzold was born in 1677
Yeah, I'm with you on that. Also I wouldn't have included Dvorak 9 or Vivaldi.
But I said the list was solid, not perfect.
What's wrong with Dvorak 9th? Too popular for you?
>The composer of Palestrina was born 150 years ago this week, on May 5, 1869. And no-one’s paying a blind bit of attention.
Sad! Say something nice about Hans.
>Most advanced piece I could play was Fur Elise.
...so you took piano lessons for a year and then stopped for 10+ years?
I really like the Kawaii CA series -- I have an older one and the action feels better than the acoustic upright at my parent's house.
I would guess that your teacher hasn't played on a modern digital piano. They've come a long way compared to those old Yamaha Clavinovas.
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he conducts
This discourages the goyim
what do the star of david notes indicate? Can you play the horn in a Jewish fashion? Pushing your hand just half way in?
Hand is always at least halfway in, that's just how I mark fucky spots that need work, oy vey I always speak in broken yiddish while playing this, really helps the immersion
It looks like a nightmare to conduct
Yeah it's a bitch, mostly just the constant push and pull with the tempo, this particular part is low as shit in the register most of the time as well. Unironically one of my favorite 4th horn parts though.
moonlight sonata. Beethoven wrote it for a girl he was in love with but she only used him as her piano teacher.
What does the 0 here mean? Usually it's open string but how are you going to play open string here?
That's an open string harmonic, placing the fighter lightly on the string creating a whistling tone.
Schubert's Unfinished.
Janacek 2nd string quartet
>yall
>yank
yanks are northerners retard
quite a based suggestion desu
What does Yea Forums think of Benjamin Zander
That bassoon makes me cri everytiem
Shostakovich
How did I do lads?
I saw this exact face in a dream and just discovered this composer. I think he is my guardian angel
>all dat Beethoven
>no French or Russian music under solo piano
You failed.
>wat is accessibility to novice listeners
This is literally for the newest of newfags. For those who couldn't be bothered to sit through 12 minutes of serialism or modal development, yet.
New fags would blow their load over Gaspard de la Nuit or Rachmaninoff's Prelude in G minor.
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Recommend me some exceptional trumpet pieces.
>St. John Passion over Mass in B minor.
Dead on arrival.
String Trio as the only Schoenberg piece is an odd choice. If you're going to have a late piece then you might as well have the Piano Concerto, which is quite accessible.
No modern opera?
Brandenburg Concertos should have been just 3 and 5. No Cello Suites?
Beethoven late quartets are not at all accessible.
Religious should have Messiaen's Quartet for the End of Time.
Everybody has probably heard the pieces up top and I don't see how they would captivate anyone.
I mean you tried but I don't really see how this would be any more useful than a list of important pieces by period.
how to get into classic? start anywhere and keep discovering new stuff. that's the joy, to compare different interpretations of the same piece and discover new works bit by bit. you build your knowledge gradually on the way bit by bit. how many hours would you need to get through this list posted? 100 hours or even more.
solo instruments:
>Faure Violin sonata no. 2, piano accompaniment
>Beethoven Violin sonata no. 5, piano accompaniment
>Brahms Violin sonata no. 3 , piano accompaniment
>Debussy, Violin sonata in g, piano accompaniment
>Elgar, Military march no.1, orchestra
this is a solo suite you stupid fucking cattle nigger
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Yeah not bad. Good work.
But you must include Schubert quintet in there. And also Beethoven 132.
Also would have placed the eroica higher.
Yeah cause Bach's Passions are such derivative works amirite ?!
weinberg trumpet concerto
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shostakovich piano concerto 1 in c minor
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ravel piece en forme de habanera
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Yeah maybe. Actually maybe I'm missing something here but I never understood why this symphony was considered so great.
Literally like 5 melodic themes per symphony. Perfect blend of pastoral, slavonic and heroic music. Great tempo and pacing. Instrumentation very good.
What's not to like?
Do you mean per movement?
yes of course
>No modern opera?
Of course not
For me, it's von Biber, Bach, Handel, Vivaldi, and Mozart.
I have been playing the violin for many years now but I have laughably entry-level knowledge of classical music, I'm trying to get more serious about it though and I figured it would be a good idea to learn more pieces for both inspiration and possibly repertoire. Where to start? I would prefer music with more prominent violin parts, and possibly ones someone with about 8 years or so of experience could play, thanks.
von Biber the violin king
Thank you this is exactly the type of stuff I am looking for
thank you
thank you so much
petzold
who tf is petzold
why is all pre-modern academical music so fucking boring and repetitive?
I just want to be able to enjoy a Brahms work without falling asleep 3 mins in, like in the old days,
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Retard
Harmonic, place your pinky as flat as possible applying no pressure. You'll tell when you hit it.
this music is stuck in my head. pls tell me what it is
>18 minutes.
can you tell me exactly where in those 18 minutes you're talking about?
Capet vs Busch is kinda like Belcea vs Artemis if you ask me, it's slightly more charismatic primarius/primaria vs superior integration of interpretation across the ensemble
Though playing the opening chords of D. 810 detache is obviously the right way to go
Anyways, best Mozart chamber work and most audacious division of the octave into major thirds this side of the 19th century coming through, in the ultimate interpretation (also French)
It's painfully by the book, ultra-regular in terms of phrasing and telegraphs everything it is about to do (those horn triplets announcing the recap, etc.) - the 19th century understanding of the 'classical'. It lacks the lovable megalomania and messiness of earlier Dvorak, before he got scared of the whole Neudeutsche thing and where it might lead to. And Dvorak just wasn't enough of a nerd (i.e. Brahms) to draw on all sorts of odd, unused paths of the past to really write startling stuff in lieu of that.
pls helppppppppp
I think the Hagen Quartet does the best job of driving home the Große Fuge's relentless monotony and all-around lack of invention. The newly composed rondo finale fits the quartet much better.
Official ranking of late Beethoven fugues:
Op.123, III > Op. 123, II > Op. 120, XXXII > Op. 106, IV > Op. 110, III > Op. 101, IV dev > Op. 131, I > Op. 111, I dev > Op. 133
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What's you guys' opinions on Kurt Sanderling? I'm trying to find out why I find his Beethoven lacking yet find his Sibelius basically unparalleled, especially on the late symphonies.
He kind of got good again on the tone poems because that allowed him to get rid of a lot of form-related weights.
Sanderling is a lot like Böhm or Karajan in that he's primarily a coordinator for music that is thoroughly notated and meat to be played as closely to the score as possible, which is basically 20th century stuff for the most part. He's good at balances, sonorities, all that stuff, but lacks the kind of sense of rhethoric, declamation, and rhythmic nuance beyond what's notated that you need for pretty much all earlier music.
While we're talking about East German/Stalinist conductors good at the 20th century and bad at Beethoven, here's Kegel conducting Sibelius: youtu.be
>you will never record an Egmont that's more precise or Teutonic-sounding than this
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Why even live?
You don't need lessons but I highly recommend taking them. I taught myself how to play advanced pieces like Liszt's la campanella but it took very long and with a teacher would be much easier.
What the fuck is "Teutonic-sounding", you autistic anachronistic bastard?
Germanness. In music? Dark, compact orchestral timbre, with an emphasis on rhythmic mass and martial effect. And if you can't parse a basic unit of historical natonalist discourse like that, what are you doing in a classical thread?
God damn now that's a shitload of spooks right there
It's spooks all the way down, friend. Saint Max never got that about about dialectics.
"It is manifest that behind the so-called curtain which is supposed to conceal the inner world, there is nothing to be seen unlesswego behind it ourselves, as much in order that we may see, as that there may be something behind there which can be seen."
I've been a admirer of the rosary sonatas for years but just discovered his Harmonia artificioso-ariosa.
Amazing stuff.
The only thing I'm not serious about is including the brief fugato in Op. 111. The Große Fuge is not particularly original and pales in effect and invention compared to pretty much any other late Beethoven fugue. It's not an impressive fugue - it doesn't do much in the way of polyphony or contrapuntal economy. It's not a successful variation movement - it's long stretches of homogenous texture.
there are plenty of recordings that do justice for both the late quartets and sonatas, but you are correct about the Missa Solemnis. the technical demands are incredibly steep there.
probably Kegel's overall despite it being a bit too big-boned for my tastes and the soloists being so-so. the chorus is simply too damned good and the balance between the orchestra and organ is ideal in that recording.
The orchestra's too washed-out. Really, a good choir is a must, but most conductors simply fail to make sense of the motivic fabric of the instrumental portion. If you simply try to follow the dynamics of the score, you end up with a mess. It's super problematic, especially in the Gloria. I think Klemperer 1951 does the best job at this. Listen to the balance here - the presence of the bass line in the beginning, then the brass emerging *only* when it is motivic. Distinguishing between essential, motivic passages and mere harmonic support is where most conductors fall short in this piece once they mastered the insane choral part.
i don't really think this recording is a good example of Klemperer's balances because it's typical Vox garbage. even during its day it was strongly panned for being a good example of a horrible sounding recording, just listen to the awful screechiness of the winds that are obnoxiously highlighted through the overuse of overmiking (0:40), something which isn't noticable on any of Klemperer's other recordings of the piece. and, hell, it's actually toned down here quite a bit because the uploader ran it through some equalization modifications. incidentally, the uploader used the Kegel recording as a reference, and they are quite a fan of it as well i believe.
don't get me wrong, it's a great interpretation, but painful to listen to insofar as the orchestral sound is concerned.
Thanks. Yeah maybe it's been too long since I last listened to it. Will give it another serious listen.
What do you mean "vox garbage" ?
Wagner sucks cock.
Okay... Thanks for bumping the thread tho
but the Abschied from Das Lied von der Erde is really good
petzold
This piece makes you suicidal. Wahler makes you feel his pain in his last works.
>Wahler
wouldn't it be great if the melted into one person like Tuvix?
Fuck I just saw that the other day. The ending gave me palpitations, it was great.
Probably my favorite Mahler that I've seen live - love me some pseudo chinese music. That or his 2nd, which is just excessive.
Beethoven-Mozart
Is this the most serious sounding melody Mozart ever wrote?
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Pfitzner
I'll take that as an yes.
For novels it should be an illustration by the author (if there are any), like the Hobbit. A lot of covers have Tolkien's little doodle of Smaug in them.
it was recorded by Vox, a budget record label at the time which nonetheless attracted a lot of great conductors and performers (Klemperer, Horenstein, Gitlis, the list goes on). a lot of their recordings, especially the early ones, kind of sound like ass unfortunately.
Every time I read "the list goes on" I chuckle because of the boomer meme
When I think "serious" Mozart, I don't think of throwaway canons like this. Rather, this comes to mind: youtu.be
Hi guys, please can you help me.
I recognise this music, but it's really bugging me that I can't remember what it is.
please can you halp me lads? It's so frustrating
What the fuck is with that sound
What are your guys thoughts on this lad? Is it me or all his music feels like a one song but in different iterations?
shit orchestral and chamber music (with the exception of the timpani concerto and the symphony 9), very good film music. He is generic, yes, but at least his rythms are inventive and imaginative
>70KB/s download speed yeah nah i don't even know if it's flac
definitely play BVLL
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I like his violin concerto, but besides that most his music is only good when used as a soundtrack imo.
What are some funny compositions?
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Tambourin Chinoise
A musical joke by Mozart. Also his fart canon in B flat major
oops I meant the lick my ass canon
Good choice user, Gould is a complete joke by itself