Post-punk is everything that punk should have been from the beginning

Does any of this sound like punk to you? It's all considered post-punk, and was released in 1978-1979, less than a year after the British punk explosion.
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I think it was a class thing. Post-punk was perceived as (and often was, look at Wire for fuck's sakes) snooty music for high class art school people.

You are likely projecting
Sincerely, a punk who fuckin loves siouxsie

punk of 76 was middle class too

It sounds like punk to me

Hardcore punk was better than punk, post harcore was better than post punk

>he doesn't like both

Can someone explain why gothic rock bands are referred to as post-punk at all when they actually neither sound like post-punk pioneers nor do they preserve punk's ethics?

>post-avant jazzcore is better than jazzcore

Do you mean to say Sex Pistols weren’t taking a chance?

Name some examples of these gothic rock bands.

sex pistols music was already around back in 1965

Joy Division
The Chameleons
The Cure
Siouxsie & The Banshees
Killing Joke

shitters on this board love jacking off over postpunk bands but no one ever talks about glam besides the odd roxy music thread

Why do you say that Joy Division doesn't sound like "post-punk pioneers" or preserve punk's ethics? I think your problem with JD will carry over to all the other bands in the list.

Siouxsie & The Banshees were literally part of the first wave of punk. Bad example. They played alongside the Sex Pistols, The Clash, and The Damned as early as 1976.

They were a post-punk band by the time their debut album came out in 1978

Post-Punk is Punk that takes influence from other genres like funk, reggae, jazz and doesn't just limit itself to the same sound.

Join Hands is a post-punk record through and through, but their debut rides the line. It has some post-punk songs, and some straightforward punk songs like Nicotine Stain and Mirage.

post punk is pseud garbage and is everything antithetical to punk

Actually, hes probably some cokehead older millenial or young gen x'er who still lives w their parents

Because it doesn't. Although initially it was a punk band that doesn't mean that it became a post-punk band when it had stopped playing punk. Politically-centered problems in their works step aside to be replaced with the more personal ones; nihilism doesn't anyhow reflect in their sound apart from the lyrics, but even then it's rather a whiny "I'm le sad and want to die ;(" kind of nihilism that barely has anything in common with more furious sort of nihilism that was an essential part of original punk movement and then was carried on by the first post-punk bands such as Pere Ubu or Television. Not saying it's bad, I actually do enjoy it too, but it's different.
Same as above. They did start as a punk band but that's just as far as it gets with their relation to post-punk

What's he difference between punk and post punk?

Were The Smiths post-punk?

post-punk is trash for tryhards and people who don't actually like punk but like the label.
Thank god Discharge came around.

have sex

Post came after
Mostly the term is insisted on by pseuds who don’t want to be associated with hardcore
>you’ll be looking down your nose and saying ‘punk? Dear chap, what’s that?’

I don't know, I feel like early punk was flawed in many ways but that post punk wouldn't have made sense without it

you picked the worst examples of post punk all this shit sounds like straight up punk

Yes.

To me this sounds like that old fourfa.com "emo" argument that says you have to sound like Moss Icon to be emo. Sure you can hardline that way, but most people moved on without you. If you go and watch the old JD & Banshees concert footage, those are punk bands playing something that wasn't quite punk, and somewhere along that transition you saw fit to declare not only that the new "thing" was too far from Sex Pistols to be punk, but also that it was too far from Pere Ubu and Television (how can these bands be "post"-punk anyway?) to be "post-punk". But a lot of people did not, when they heard and saw those bands play, they still heard and saw a punk band. The transition away from punk continued on after that, and more people got off the "post-punk" train, you just got off earlier than everyone else.

So yeah, the reason people call those bands "post-punk" is, all the things you say you can't see in the early goth bands, lots of other people saw. It's a matter of opinion, and it's not black and white.

How could you say that The Scream or Join Hands aren't post-punk records? Is it because they dabbled in psychedelic rock and dance music later in their career?

That was my point. The person I was replying to didn't understand what post-punk had to do with punk music and didn't think that it sounds anything like punk, so I picked some of the most punk-sounding songs from some of the most celebrated post-punk bands to show their relation to punk music.

try again faggot
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no you

What, exactly, does post-punk sound like? Post-punk bands draw on a huge collection of influences and sound different from each other. The only common threads that I can identify is skinnier guitar sounds that make the bass stand out in the mix (although there are exceptions to even this), and a spirit of experimentation. Gothic rock bands certainly fit this template, or are influenced from post-punk bands that do.

Post-punk is just the homo sexual version of punk, but honestly punk just sucks anyway even when it's not overly wimpy and gay

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Well, yeah, I guess I agree with your post to some extent, but I think you missed my point a bit. I don't insist on those bands not being punk because they actually were, what I'm implying here is that after they stopped being punk they didn't become post-punk exclusively because of this fact but rather established yet another new genre - gothic rock, which although did have some common ground with post-punk still was something different, you know, like emocore and post-hardcore. The distinctive feature of early post-punk was applying more complex means of artistic expression to punk's ethics (two most important parts of which I've defined in my previous post), and although the goth bands most certainly succeeded with the former they didn't quite preserve the latter, and that's what makes them different from the post-punk bands who did both. So, to sum up, although sometimes like with S&TB's The Screamer it's a bit difficult to tell whether it's just gothic rock or actually post-punk that reflects misery of the entire working class through the misery of a particular individual, in cases where it's not the line between the two should be strict

Hi. I signed up for the post-punk genre tour. Can anybody give me the map with all the bands I should visit while I'm in the area? kthanxbai

Punk was sorta anti-music where they didn't care about being musically proficient, not knowing how to play instruments just made them cooler. But Post-Punk wanted to actually have good musicianship and a range of styles other then repeating the same old riff over and over.

Why is it utterly impossible to have a post-punk thread without people autistically arguing about genre labels the whole time

What if you just, posted music? Instead of shitposting about JD is or isn't gothic rock and if gothic rock is post-punk and if a band can be both punk and post-punk and other useless shit that makes no fucking difference or has any merit in discussion whatsoever

Because just posting video links that no one will watch isn't going to give this thread much discussion either.

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Punk was not anti-music. Go for no wave if you want that (but that's not anti-music either)

Well anti-music isn't the right term, obviously it's not noise rock or anything. But it was against the popular styles of music at the time like prog and disco. But post-punk accepted those genres and took influence from everything.

Johnny Rotten admitted to liking King Crimson when he was in PiL, but when he was in Sex Pistols he made fun of them.

you mean its more punk than punk?

ALL DAY

I guess technically but they moved in a different direction than most

Punk never existed. There was proto-punk which was just playing a rough minimal version of rock and it went right into post-punk

Real punk only existed for a year.

t. retards who don't know any punks. Its very common these days for post-punk bands to appear at the same shows and fests as punk and hardcore bands. Ceremony did a couple of post-punk albums. Bands like Glue share members post-punk bands like Institute. Just another example of Yea Forumstants who don't leave their house talking out their asses.

U2 until the joshua tree were unironically post punk

Siouxsie and the Banshees
The Fall
Wire
Pere Ubu
Public Image Ltd.
Television
DEVO
Talking Heads
The Chameleons
Suburban Lawns
The Slits
The Smiths
Joy Division
New Order
Gang of Four
Au Pairs
Zounds
Crisis
Josef K
Orange Juice
The Feelies
Echo and the Bunnymen
Magazine

Not really. I prefer post punk to punk but post punk does not have a DIY low budget achievable sound which is what made punk such a thing. It had to start there, it was nessesary.

you're right except the unforgettable fire is when they went full stadium pop

spbp

There's lots of low budget post-punk out there. It's usually super obscure, and not in English.
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Not necessarily. There's lots of good anarcho/second wave UK punk bands that did the post-punk thing pretty well on a low budget. Zounds, Crisis, early Killing Joke, UK Decay, mid period UK subs, etc.

Is post-punk trendy among zoomers? Why am I seeing it everywhere now?

it's doomer core

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