looking for someone with music history knowledge who can maybe give me some better sources and context for the following about Little Richard and the general "white people stole rock music" deal
I had this idea that black people were playing rock and roll for black audiences and white people came and took the whole thing. Then I heard Lemmy talking about it: youtu.be/BE3GlOp71w8?t=96
So Little Richard, maybe even Chuck Berry and the like were playing primarily for white audiences and parts of the black community considered them sellouts? There is something horribly satirical about watching Little Richard perform Tutti Fruti to a white audience youtube.com/watch?v=LVIttmFAzek but there's another layer of irony in the handful of people today looking back at this as black music being served to a white audience and then being stolen if black people weren't even into as much as white audiences?
and also... the whole thing about little richard exposing himself to a schoolboy in a religious school. yikes.
Yea Forums probably isn't the place to question issues related to race since its just gonna bait hella /pol/ shit but if anyone has real sources to shed some light on this i'd be interested
I think christgau or someone, i dont remember where said something about jimi Hendrix being considered a sell out by the black community and only white people listened to him
Anyways, rock is basically just country fused with the blues and electrified. Rock music is basically fusing the sounds of white southerners with black southerners.
Actually people who say white people stole rock music dont know anything about context. Like the fact that everything back then was segregated, even the radio stations. And elvis fusing country with rock a shot across the bow against segregation. The black radio stations didnt want to play him because it was too country, the white radio stations didnt want to play him because it was too black. The radio stations that did play him got death threats from the KKK that they would be run out of town if they played elvis.
Elvis was basically a giant musical fuck you to segregation
rock n' roll was the first attempt to subvert Christian culture back into a state of hedonistic primality. Perpetuated by bankers, they started funding black musicians to create a new rhythmic style of music that incorporated hypnotic melodies that were layered with progressive speech, sexual innuendos and drug allusions. This was all in their attempt to brainwash the public over the radio. and It's first attempt was a failure, rap and R&b achieved what it could not. This is due to a higher entry skill level, instruments took take and patience to learn and the black community was not ready to be fully engaged into a new movement.
Lincoln Brooks
citation needed
Leo Sanchez
My diary desu
Liam Sanchez
Good posts, new perspective
Xavier Gomez
>rock n' roll was the first attempt to subvert Christian culture Right. Rock n' roll is at least 200 years older than the French Revolution >instruments took take and patience to learn and the black community was not ready to be fully engaged into a new movement. Guess they were still too preoccupied with having the patience to learn to play their jazz instruments
Eli Young
this is the kinda response i was afraid of baiting. go back to your sourceless hole
i don't know if im ready to say Elvis was a big W for civil rights. i mean the tracks that really propelled him had clear influence from tutti frutti, but i don't know who this imaginary group of people who don't acknowledge little richard's tutti frutti was the powder keg for rock music and elvis was the sellable white face that came later. I will say i'm struggling to see where Elvis is even indirectly a thief or appropriator when other black rock artists like Chuck Berry and much later Jimi Hendrix kept topping charts for years afterward. I'm thinking a lot of black audiences just didn't give a shit and this reclamation is a modern construct for re-appropriation of something never really stolen, but i also don't wanna be called a racist so s h r u g
William Perez
>Right. Rock n' roll is at least 200 years older than the French Revolution You're absolutely right, I miss spoke. It was the first attempt with subversion in the realm of music culture. >Guess they were still too preoccupied with having the patience to learn to play their jazz instruments Jazz was used for rock'n roll yes, but rock n' roll is it's own thing with it's own style, and musicians where not eager to change their style to be apart of a white music revolution.
Carter Davis
It goes way back to those black face shows. White people just had an interest in black music
