/prod/ - Music Production General

That's not rubber, but you said you were looking for music that you'll never put out.
If you have more rubbery sounds in music that you've released or will release, you can just open the project and export a single note of that particular sound. Nobody will recognize it and you'll be able to post a proper example.

>rubber
honestly this and what he was saying about hardware earlier just leads me to believe he doesn't know what we're talking about

wait now hol up I think I misunderstood the sound you're talking about. do you have an actual example of this (((rubber)))

instaud.io/3Ac3

Made some IDM, any thoughts on it?

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has anybody even posted a "rubber" sound that they made before? I'm starting to think you guys are just making this shit up

Listen to the Product album. It's full of those rubbing sounds.
Basically all the songs on the album have a bit of that sound (like in some of Lemonade's fast bubbles you can hear it works similarly but with a different timbre).
Like the intro of this:
youtube.com/watch?v=WyX-PRqzV78
Or the sounds throughout this (that some times sound kinda like brass and some times like rubber):
youtube.com/watch?v=KXdRl6Ml37I

Or from her newer stuff:
youtube.com/watch?v=uERIXLWeik0
(you can hear a similar sound at 0:30 after the voice says "face" or whatever, and it appears again later).

youtube.com/watch?v=lZ6ppVyWgCI
(you can hear that type of sound at 3:31 but it's not really morphing independently so the timbre only changes with its normal envelopes and it's not as apparent)

Think like 2 balloons rubbing together
Or a squeaky car suspension

Alright, thanks for the suggestions. I was considering getting the 99 dollar ableton, I really hate pirating but I guess I might do it. I'm not strapped for cash but I've been out of work a few months so I was telling myself Ableton would be my reward for getting another job. Is it hard to pirate?

ofc it's all sophie
Don't really get her appeal desu but I know that sound for sure. gonna grab a beer and go find it

>gonna grab a beer and go find it
welcome to the rabbit hole

the intro version is not worth 99 dollars I think its a waste of money

audioz.download/software/win/152669-download_ableton-live-suite-v1006-incl-patched-and-keygen-r2r.html

just came up with this, what do i do with it now? instaud.io/3AUk

>mfw nobody downloads my shit as always
Guys please

A fat DONK and a CHA-CHA slide on the BASS

OKAY SORRY i forgot to add it the other night remind me in a bit because i'm jamming

yeah multiple times

instaud.io/3zE3

I got some really great feedback in the last thread and good tips to improve in the future. Ways to improve the drum dynamics and make the vocals a bit more lively. Still learning.
Hoping this might play out as well this time.

>hippity hoppity

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rate me instaud.io/3AVa

>OKAY SORRY i forgot to add it the other night remind me in a bit because i'm jamming
This is another thing, it has nothing to do with the productivity method.

oh, what's this new thing?

This: It's a M4L device to practice reading music notation.

>instaud.io/3AVa
Are you imbred?

>reading music notation
oh, yeah that's lame and i'm not even sorry (:
nah sorry i don't hav m4l otherwise i'd try it for you, sorry buddy

It's ok lol, thanks anyway.

BASED. Musical notation is getting cucked by medieval monks centuries after they've died. You're literally getting trolled by a skeleton.

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what does that mean?

oh how ironic that i added the nickname while asking that. yes i am quite mixed.

>her

These sounds are pretty easy to replicate in modular. A couple modules comes to mind, like intelijel’s plonk and noise engineering’s basimilus iteritas alter

youtu.be/LN37dK9s2MM
Check out at 2:52

youtu.be/LPfVteIYHYQ
Listento all the waveforms he scrolls through, very similar timbres to stop on. Then it’s just a matter of pitch and attack/decay modulation.

Sounds like Margaritaville.

ah, right. the guy who paid ads on reddit for his shitty music to be heard. i'm not calling you a literal result of inbreeding.

Better than composing with a piano roll and getting cucked by this guy.

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bro please stop

>Check out at 2:52
>pitch bend lmao

> waveforms
yeah those are some cool ones
>Then it’s just a matter of pitch and attack/decay modulation.
so exactly the same as software lol

Piano roll is not getting cucked. There's twelve notes in an octave and twelve positions on the piano roll in every octave. That's exactly how it should be.

>paid ads on reddit for his shitty music to be heard
i like that idea i'll consider it when i have some ep finished

oh shit, thanks user

>can’t comprehend buchla style synthesis
>it’s just like software lol

embarrassing tbqh

>>can’t comprehend buchla style synthesis
please explain the difference and how it would aid in making rubber. I really don't know anything about it

ay. do you. better be quality & not a waste of time.

>Check out at 2:52
That's just pitch modulation.
It can be a part of the sound, but on its own it's very far from being the thing to make rubber sound, and your example sounds nothing like rubber.

>Listento all the waveforms he scrolls through, very similar timbres to stop on.
Eh, kinda. Still sounds nothing like rubber.
>Then it’s just a matter of pitch and attack/decay modulation
Try it yourself. It's not as easy as taking a sound and pitching it up and down.
Maybe you can make the "rubbing" sounds, but not the rubber stretching ones like this kind:
youtube.com/watch?v=GCmfztmG1GU

will i be singin effortless C#5s after i learn to do mixed voice?

>made a whole song of autisticly hard hitting clipping drums and 808 slides
>no room or idea for anything even vaguely reminiscent of a melody

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>no room

uh, what?

as in everything is too huge sounding
i've been playing with ripping off a certain brand of trap (i'm a tourist lol) where the entire song is basically just clipping the kick and 808 to shit to the point where every other element of the song has to be highpassed to at least 400hz for headroom

p much done with tracking except for finishing some drum placeholder parts/sounds

clyp.it/tzfkm4yy

okay, so lower the volume levels dummy.

alright
here

it took more than one beer, but I've got some (((rubber)))
clyp.it/ociclvg2?token=005aae3319b9a31555f24504f10de930

course I don't write like sophie but still gonna keep these patches and do something with em

I can explain them more in depth if anybody cares

no that's how it's supposed to be.
i'm not actually asking for help i just made a post to bitch because i can't come up with a fucking melody after spending so long on this

.... it was an exercise because fundamentally my attempts at making trap have been ass (like literally just the drum/808s)... so this was helpful to me even if it doesn't turn into a song

i mean i think that's pretty close in concept but not really the same sound

double checking, you said you've been doing this for 20 years? I just don't want to feel bad because my music is ass lmao

Why the fuck would you actually try to make trap? Trap is what you make by accident because you suck, not a goal to work towards.

rbt.asia/mu/thread/84723747/#84725046

Yeah I can't 100% dupe the sound without knowing the original osc. But I'm happy enough with these processes I can improve on to make more patches with. Cause doing sound design while writing sucks

>I can't 100% dupe the sound without knowing the original osc
(i've made quite a lot of these sounds)
the closest i've gotten with a purely "vanilla" patch with no outside processing or resampling was literally just a saw. otherwise i go granular, and it's a lot easier lol.... 100% software, just because that came up earlier :p

because i genuinely love some of it and i enjoy making several genres. genre cross pollination bro.

>make by accident because you suck
lmao leave him alone

>Yeah I can't 100% dupe the sound without knowing the original osc
Not him but it's not that you didn't recreate it 100%, you just touched the concept of decreasing the rate of the transients (made by each cycle of the waveform or whatever you used).
If you asked a thousand people what this clyp sounds like, none of them would say rubber, while with Sophie's sounds most of them would.
That's the point of trying to recreate it. It doesn't have to sound 100% like the original. It just has to sound like rubber.

buchla style synthesis how its done.
instaud.io/3AWU

Signal flow is
VCO > LPG > BPF > OUT

BPF is being controlled by an LFO
LPG is being controlled by a function generator>envelope generator
Function Generator's speed is being controlled by another LFO
Envelope generator's rise/fall slope is by another LFO
and most importantly (to get the rubbery sound), the final audio output of this is repatched to FM the VCO at audio rate.

I could have cleaned this up to make even more similar, but honestly didn't want to ruin the patch i already had going.

LOL, how can you know this much about production and then produce a complete turd like that?

>instaud.io/3AWU
At some points it sounds kinda like rubbing (like two things sliding on each other), but it never sounds like rubber.

This is the closest I've ever heard to the rubber sound in these threads

huh. if I wanted to fool people into thinking it was actually rubber I would just record and process some rubber foley... Not mess with synthesis at all. I don't find stuff like this useful musically anyway most of the time. Though these patches turned out useable which is unexpected

>huh. if I wanted to fool people into thinking it was actually rubber I would just record and process some rubber foley... Not mess with synthesis at all.
Then what's the point?
Nobody is trying to make rubber sounds because they sound good in a song, but because it's a difficult thing to get right and we want to see if we can do it.

No I unironically put it in my songs lmao

I guess there is no point, and like the old days of dnb and dogsonacid we're doomed to try to make the perfect snare only to never write any music with it

Exactly.

Unless you're one of the successful DnB producers who can make the perfect snare and wouldn't be famous without spending countless hours perfecting their craft.
I mean, in genres like DnB, can you even become successful without getting autistic about the technical details?

>what is a phone recording

Like i said, the synthesis is there, it’s just a matter of cleaning up everything, tuning the LFOs etc

You can try out that signal flow in something like VCV rack. Though I don’t know how well FM source at audiorate will work in software since the waveform gets aliased

>Like i said, the synthesis is there
I don't hear it.
Sorry m8 but I can't really see that ever sounding like rubber stretching.

(no one is successful in dnb anymore)

But yes. Lots of tracks stand on the merits of their writing and not the sounds. The ones carried by sound design are generally more flavor of the week and have less staying power. At some point bass music got so up its ass its primary audience became producers. Not that I have a problem with that... But it ain't paying the bills that's for sure

Sure maybe not mainstream successful like 20 years ago, but successful in the scene?
Do you consider Neurofunk to be DnB? That whle genre is based on sound design. Of course having decent music under the production is a requirement too, but try making a Neurofunk song without sound design and only good music and see how far you go.

Neurofunk is my fav genre of dnb now, however it is hardly listened to at all for precisely those reasons... Its autistic appreciation for editing and shit is just lost on 90% of people. I love billain as much as the next guy but he could stand to learn something other than synthesis techniques

lol not unless you transition to a menina

I aree that Neurofunk would benefit a lot from tlting things more towards the music instead of the sound design, but that's the scene. Producers who make those genres do it because they want to despite all the downsides (little money, sausage fest at the shows, etc).

My brother some times goes to shows by producers who make super nerdy genres like IDM, Deconstructed Club, etc. and he recently went to a thing called AlgoRave where the artists coded their music live using SuperCollider (and I assume TidalCycles), and almost all these events are free or super cheap when seeing someone like Martin Garrix play his generic music in a boring way can cost more than $100 a ticket.

All those producers could learn to make more normal genres and make 10x or 100x the money, but they don't, and they have to be either poor or to have a day job to fund their music.

Personally I'd never do this because I don't think it's worth it to sacrifice every aspect of your life just to make the music you like, but for them, the lack of success is accounted for when they undergo this career path.

Hell, being a producer in general is kind of the same deal. The vast majority of us will never make a living from it, and among the few who manage to live from their music, few make a good amount of money, so why not choose a normal career instead of music?

what world do you live in

the 1st

instaud.io/3AXn just made this

theres plenty of male singers on 1st world countries that sing comfortable C#5s and higher

A continent is a piece of land upon which male singers sit.

yeah but you're a foreign mutt from a country that doesn't persecute smokers or police emissions
your voice is fucked from decades of pollution inhalation, like breathing toxic sandpaper
don't cry though, i won't survive ww3 cause my pink healthy lungs will just fail out while you and yours just cough a bit and get along with reconstruction

Do you compose these based on the battle scenes that you draw?

nah bro, more like your country relies on coal usines for electricity and mine doesnt

>i won't survive ww3 cause my pink healthy lungs will just fail out while you and yours just cough a bit and get along with reconstruction
why tho, a fucked lung is a fucked lung, not like being used to it makes it stronger. did you know people that smoke cigarettes get lung cancer? fuckin lmao at you.

>usines
We don't speak eastern Canadian here.

this hurts to read, after getting sonarworks my stuff is starting to sound right but now I'm not so sure if it's worth pursuing anymore
I'm tempted to get back into psytrance wich has become way more mainstream in the last years and it's still somehow appreciated here, finding a gig would be easier too

whoah, i don't even know where to start
i think the language barrier is too much here, can you try to run your statements through google translate?

All you need is a secret weapon user. Just make ONE unique sound and ride that until you're famous.
Then when people get tired of it, you take the money and invest it in real estate so you can keep making your shit music without worrying about money.

you know what i meant

He's saying that the pollution he experiences is lower that his/yours because his doesn't rely on burning coal to get electricity and hid/yours does.

He's also saying that in a heavily polluted situation, having already ruined lungs doesn't help you, as you'll still suffer having the bad lungs PLUS the pollution that everybody else (clean lungs included) suffers from.

lmao

What?
Am I wrong?
I'm trying to help you dude.

no youre not, i just found it funny
good night

Lmao I ran it through front and back and it actually came back more understandable.

>why, a fucking lung is a fucking lung, it's not like being accustomed to getting stronger. Did you know people who smoke cigarettes get lung cancer?

Love ya SAmmy!

lungs do get stronger if you exercise and swim, that was a bad way of rewording it, dumb 1st worlder

Chicken noodle/10

what is it

Aw dude, don't be like that, I totally believe you'll one day be shattering wine glasses with your stupendously clean falsetto.
It's just a game we dumb first worlders play where we have Google translate an English sentence into some non-white language then translate it back.

Jimmy Buffet

Two WIPs I'm currently working on...

A 100 bpm house track:

clyp.it/mkujbn0d

A synthwave-inspired mock sci-fi TV show theme:

clyp.it/s0is41uy

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I think its just comb filters.

>house
>100 bpm
I wish I saved that image user made about Demarcus crossing the genre border.

thanks, by looking at the wave forms I learned something about production.

The s0is41uy is a pretty well put together track. So you've definitely reached a polished sound, what do you plan to do with it next?

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Thank you! I made sure to save it this time.

5 hours later and the download count is still at 0. Please guys, I worked hard to make it nice and pretty for you.

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what is m4l

Too cute. I'll have to dedicate my Dreams remix to you if I ever get around to it. :3

Max For Live.
It's this:
cycling74.com/products/max/
But integrated into Ableton Live.

ableton.com/en/live/max-for-live/

If you have Live Suite, you most likely also have Max For Live installed.

Lol I appreciate it user.

That's definitely not House but it all sounds pretty nice. Actually that synth in the second one gives me serious YMO vibes.

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It's really easy to pirate, I've done it a couple of times w ableton without any problems.

Love the artwork, is it Halo or some original work stuff?

>set up ableton to do drone
>push play
this happens

instaud.io/3AYq

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damn what a qt
yeah it's cool but i wouldn't listen to it for leisure, and i like drone

>daft punk lmao
only responding because you deserve a >(You). Cool ass main part but with the robot voice but nothing really keeps me hooked to this

have you posted before? maybe it's just a common progression or something but this sounds like some 90s vhs shit that i've heard before.... not my style but i guess you nailed it :p

bump

People who use Ozone, would you recommend it? Why?

the only thing that I still use from time to time is the imager
the multiband compressor is worth mentioning for having a distinctive sound
for everything else you can find better solutions these days but if you're lazy they still sound ok I guess

Psytrance audiences are more redpilled than DnB

limiter no 6 destroys ozone fuck izotope :^)

How did you get better at the composition/creation part, did you use reference tracks or did you just listen back to your own tracks and figured how what could be done better?

ive never really messed around with vocals before anyone know of some decent acapellas or something I could get

Does anyone here know enough to make a beat over vocals ?

pls help

give me feedback and ye shall receive feedback
instaud.io/3B15

I don't think I'd want feedback from you

why not?

i understand

how is my singing going /prod/? (the faily cracky voice is from tiredness, it's not from my technique)
instaud.io/3B1H

heres one from before i got too tired instaud.io/3AVa

Sounds like yo're singing too forcefully, try to stay loose and easy.
Your pitch kind comes and goes but you sound pretty good for short stretches.
When singing English songs try to not emphasize or sustain on "bleh" sounds, they don't sound good and that's one of our go-to joke pronunciations for fake Russian accents.

If you could only buy monitors or headphones, which would you pick?
I'm in the market for either one but I'm not sure what to get. I'm thinking monitors and maybe some cheaper headphones for fine tuning.

monitors for sure

Is this still a good interface for a basic bedroom setup? I just want to record vocals and instruments together and I have no intention on expanding that.

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How does Flume do it?

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How the fuck do you improve? Do you recreate tracks, watch youtube tutorials, or just make tracks over and over. I'm a bit confused lads

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instaud.io/3zoV
Is this worth continuing to work on.

It's hard to improve when you don't know what you're trying to accomplish.

youtube.com/watch?v=2uGQh1B5HvA
he doesn't mix or master his own stuff, like most people at that level.
he's still good but he's not doing it all

yea chasing some vague 'improvement' will just waste your time. set specific goals and strive for them

If you really want to know it's pretty boring

Is it too ambitious for a producer to write their music mix and master it?

As in, is it possible to be able to do all those things competently?

Competently? not at all. loads of people do it.
At a Flume/Skrillex/whoever is top brand at the moment level? pretty unlikely.

it takes a long time to train up those skills and while there's some overlap it's truly a monumental task. That doesn't even take into account all the physical things you'd need to do it - like a decently tuned mixing/mastering room, multiple types of monitors...

I personally think of it like this: the producer is kinda the modern day composer. while an old school composer was usually pretty damn good at a few instruments, they certainly couldn't play all the parts they wrote for the orchestra individually. and then there are the soloists, unique talents, etc. but they still could *write* for them, just not execute to the highest level.

I view producing like that, you focus on a few things at a time, get good at it, and find engineers/talent to fill in the gaps you can't do as well (yet)

otherwise you'll spend all your time practicing and never actually record anything

Looking for 2 things, hopefully someone can help me out:

Good 808, 909 and other vintage drum machine sample packs. Can be loops or one shots. Bonus if they've got processing like saturation too. Note: not hip hop samples, I make techno and house.

Also, a decent TB-303 VST. Preferably a free one.

Thanks.

roland cloud has all 3 of those in vst format and they're all great. cheap subscription (or you can find them sailing the high seas)

if you're dead set on samples check out samplesfrommars or goldbaby

the rubberduck is pretty good for a freeware 303 vst

monitors, that's not even a question

audient id14 if you can afford it
i hate scarletts

i have noticed an influx of low effort noob questions

not at all. ditto the other response

there's a huge compilation of classic drum machines floating around for free.... all dry. roland included. google for it

goldbaby is also dope, more for lo fi stuff though, not house/techno oriented

make your own 303 style patches bro

Who here is really familiar with ableton and able to answer a workflow question?

Can anyone give constructive criticism on this? Where did all the audio engineers go?

Youtube, audio interface, patch cable going from headphone jack to input.

There you go, any sample you could ever want.

I'm trash at production but have been doing it for 6 years, so ask and I'll try to answer to the best of my ability.

>instaud.io/3Ac3
Not enough moving parts for idm. The accent is consistently on the & of every beat. The synth stays the same the entire time in the background no timbral changes whatsoever. The music is constant, no stops, breaks or changes at interesting times. All regular subdivisions. Just because you made some zappy noises with a high resonance doesn't make it IDM. You need to work on your song writing if you want to make IDM.

Thank you, so making odd subdivisions in the midi editor is extremely easy. If you want quintuplets make 6 notes and drag them to fit into the bar and bam 5 notes per measure. How would you go about doing this in the arrangement view when working with audio clips? The only thing I can do is make the subdivisions in a midi clip, then zoom in ALL the way to match it in the arrangement, and workflow wise that's horrendous. There has to be a built in function for this

well it's uninspired and repetitive, no where near justifying a full 3:30. the only section I would keep is the break at 1:30

that doesn't even get into the mix issues. kick and sub are all over the place

this is how we know you make bad sounding music

>this is how we know you make bad sounding music
Thats exactly how this song was made youtube.com/watch?v=bl5TUw7sUBs

So post your music brother, and if better than this then you can say that. If you don't post your music (which you obviously wont) then lmfao at your projecting ass.

>doesn't post music
kinda what I thought.

the only thing possibly ripped from YT in that song are the vocals. which sound terrible, thin, and processed to death to disguise all the degradation. and were probably actually ripped from a more lossless source like a DVD anyway. if that wasn't a meme song it would suck, sorry man. and I do generally like Pogo

also I'm

so I like to pretend I do know a little bit about this

regardless of the dick measuring you shouldn't be using lossy transcoded shit for your productions as the more you do to them the worse they will sound. RIP if you ever play live and put something made entirely from youtube clips through the house sound system

>clyp.it/ociclvg2?token=005aae3319b9a31555f24504f10de930

Jesus christ that is tinny and thin. You really need to stop acting like you know what you're talking about lol.

Thanks, I'll utilize renoises repeater effect and figure out how to do off rhythms. Still getting used to its function value thing, don't know what to call it.

dont use repeater, crop and slice your audio in the actual arrangement, You have much more control.

yes please tell me more while you monitor on your skullcandy headphones/krk 5s in an untreated box

I agree with do it by hand. automatic functions never sound quite right for that kind of thing

Mhh, that's interesting, I've never tried something like this, and yeah, I'd probably use the midi trick like you're doing, but if I had to ind another way maybe I'd try experimenting with changing the time signature and the tempo or something like that.
Perhaps you could change the tempo so the new time signature portion is exactly as long as the normal 4/4 one, then consolidate the samples into a new audio clip and just use that unwarped in the project after you remove the time signature changes, but I'm not sure if this workflow is better than the old one.

Another thing you could try (but I'm not sure since this is a live 10 thing and I'm on 9) is to place your samples on the 4/4 grid as if it were a quintuplet one (you'll just end up making it a bit longer), the consolidate it, warp it accordingly (possibly using the beats mode set to the longest value and the warp markers only at the first transients), then stretch the whole clip so it fits the smaller 4/4 it's supposed to fit in.

I think you can probably do this in 9 too, but you'll have to stretch it from within the sample editing view and it can some times not be very precise compared to doing it from the arrangement window like you can in 10.

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Like this:

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adam a7xs but alright, keep trying to protect your precious ego. Dude you're not that good, you talk like you are, but you're just as okay as everyone in these threads. Props for having the balls for actually posting your music however while acting like you're great.

I want to get better at music

>Another thing you could try (but I'm not sure since this is a live 10 thing and I'm on 9) is to place your samples on the 4/4 grid as if it were a quintuplet one (you'll just end up making it a bit longer), the consolidate it, warp it accordingly (possibly using the beats mode set to the longest value and the warp markers only at the first transients), then stretch the whole clip so it fits the smaller 4/4 it's supposed to fit in.
this sounds like the winner. Thank you for the idea

You're welcome user.
Just make sure it sounds right when you warp things, because some times it can be a bit destructive depending on the source material, the warp settings, and how much you're warping things.

yeah the algorithms in ableton are pretty shit. But i'm used to it.

I'm not protecting shit. I sucked a decade ago and I'm not good enough now. but I can't help but notice you haven't posted anything... and the adams are notoriously bright. that's why I took mine back after a week of mixing on them and upgraded to the APS aeon 2s. too sibilant. so let's see what you're working with. I have no problems admitting if something's actually good. it's why I still do this

still too vague. what is "music?" audiating? mixing? synthesis?

still better than most other daws unfortunately

How much of a sample retains its original audio quality?
Say I make something in Ableton, export it to wav and import it into another project, is it changed in any way compared to the original project?

You can mitigate this by playing with the Beats algorithm or by placing a warp marker in the empty space between one sample and the next warp marker (like pic relate), then dragging it to the right until it's as long as it was before (so you're effectively just warping the empty space between them and the samples themselves aren't warped anymore).

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>what is "music?"
i don't know what i don't know
teach me senpai

Whats a decent budget sampler for a beginner? I remember in the last thread someone mentioned not to get one of these due to them being a bitch to get samples on, but i can't find much at a similar price point.

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If you export it to wav, you shouldn't have any problem and it's going to sound exactly the same for all intents and purposes, BUT, if you want to go full autism you should save it at the same sample rate that your project/DAW is set at and at the maximum bit depth, so there are no artifacts of any kind and it will be exactly the same as you hear in your DAW.

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Is it worth while getting a hardware sampler? I've always wanted one, but logically, I realise a computer can do everything it does, and often better too. I just dislike using DAWs though. When it comes to music, I'd rather spend an hour playing guitar or practising piano than an hour making music on a DAW, even if it means I can theoretically write a song faster. A lot of music I like to make was made on MPCs in general too (Specifically House music, late 80s early to mid 90s). I love the idea of banging beats out on the pads, sampling stuff, and so on.

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it always stems from the actual recorded sample
if the makers recorded to 96k 24bit wav and exported it as such after editing, you're working with the lossless original
then say you export it to 16bit 44.1 wav, you can't 'go back' to the original file. that data is lost.
if you export it with the same settings as it comes in, you can theoretically render it however many times you want.
but once the signal is degraded it's done. this is why starting from mp3s is bad. shit only flows downstream
you also can't fix it by going from mp3-wav. please don't contaminate the internet with fake lossless files thx

ffs you either have something to say musically or you don't

>step 1: hear sounds in your head that you want to get out
>step 2: start with the basics of musical language so you can figure out what said abstract thoughts are. I like the entry level Tonal Harmony book by kostka-payne
>step 3: spend 20 years honing every aspect of that + production + ear training
>step 4: ???
>step 5: die in poverty but with a bunch of sick serum presets

Damn I shouldn't have posted before realising you posted something similar to what I posted.

I don't like hardware samplers personally unless you're using them for their flavor ie the sp1200 or something

if you like that workflow though I know some people who really like the hybrid approach with the APC40/Maschine/MPC

Thanks

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god speed jezza

can anyone makea beat over vocals?

pls halp

>die in poverty but with a bunch of sick serum presets
this is too fucking real man

>the algorithms in ableton are pretty shit
dude what lmao, that's literally one of it's selling points over competitors

>sp1200
isn't it literally just a few (for the sake of argument) unique effects?

the sp1200 has some really interesting characteristics. it acts kinda like a bitreducer + frequency rolloff and other fun distortion artifacts all in one.
so it's got that timbre to it that (I don't think) you can get quite yet ITB
and it's a great sound too, instant classic sampling vibes a la 90s rap or daft punk, ed banger records, really grungy sounds
so for those kinds of purposes I like hardware samplers, but if you just want the workflow it's 1000x easier with the hybrid setups

post your song

Yes.
What do you need?

fuck you

You explained mine a bit more in depth, i have pretty much the same problem as you, tired of daws and all that. Hopefully 2 of the same question just means 2x more responses.

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meant for not but im assuming your the same person

how bad the pitch sounds?
what are the bleh sounds? like a retarded "duuuuh" for a sustained "the"? or else?

I had a Push 2 for Ableton (which I don't use anymore, both that is) so I don't know if that'll work, though I'm going to try out some new Daws, so maybe a simpler controller will do, idk.

I'd murder a child for a SP12000 or MPC 3000, sadly I'm broke so I'll have to settle for a MPC 2000XL

instaud.io/3Ba3

Thoughts on Arturia collection? They've just added three new instruments (EMS Synthi, Casio CZ and Mellotron). I know that U-He Diva sounds better in most ways but damn for the price you get a lot of different soft synths/instruments, very tempted, especially because I love Mellotron sounds.

All these need in a TB-303 and SH-101 clone and it would be complete.

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>tfw your singing pitch still sucks

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is this head voice or falsetto?? i used to think it's falsetto but someone on reddit told me it's head voice because it has a reasonable amout of edge to it
instaud.io/3BaB

Has anyone here tried Parallels? I like how it sounds and I really like wavescanning stuff and the filters are nice, but it seems a little underfeatured for the price.

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Look a this borderline retard.
You know Audacity can record direct from your sound card right?

only thing worthwhile is pigments :^)

i mean personally I stick to just a few synths for 95% of stuff and completely ignore emulations (i have monark and don't touch it) but if that appeals to you arturia seems like an obvious buy.... however i don't know if they're the best out there in that regard.

>spammy
i'm not listening to your shit but how the fuck can you not differentiate between falsetto and headvoice yet lol

try to bring the voice down in pitch from a higher register. In falsetto you can hear/feel a "break" into your normal voice. Head will transition smoothly to chest

for mellotron look at gforce mtron pro

mega.nz/#!rxZkHJ5Q!XRCB1CzJuIGNaeQCR7KhrdK-nm2Riii1FKnbGuyI0pg

"Vintage Drums and Keys" sample pack

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>try to bring the voice down in pitch from a higher register. In falsetto you can hear/feel a "break" into your normal voice. Head will transition smoothly to chest
there is something like a break where it sounds frying but if i keep pushing i can go to like C3 in that same voice. sometimes it seems like it starts to mix with chest voice, sometimes it doesnt

Literally just limiter the fuck out of your bass and shelf out the high end from it and then turn it down. Fucking casuals man, go watch a youtube video man.

>die in poverty but with a bunch of sick serum presets
If only we can all be so lucky.

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Why do you need to hear his music to know if your shit is boring or bad? You'll just call it shitty out of spite because you'll protect your ego in whatever way possible. Aside from that, what happens if a normal person calls it shitty-- gonna hunt them down through the milieu of comments, of which will probably be remarking on the shittiness of your song, and ask them to whip their dick out so you can compare?

fuckin amateurs I swear. I'll post my music too if you have a fucking response to this and you'll wanna quit because I know how to take criticism.

Look up a chart of English phonemes and acclimate yourself with them as I can probably provide actual, in depth, explanation in a manner that will allow you actually improve. You want to first of all, figure out what vowel sounds you make that sound nice. Write around that.

i think all my english singin sounded good

The sound of it reminds me of Blofeld

hey /prod/ some singer on reddit told me that learning to sing is all about figuring stuff by myself and that getting a teacher wont help me figure stuff instantly and only weeks later i would find the stuff that he was refering to

clyp.it/g42wkver

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It has nothing to do with your command of English-- but rather the names of all the phonemes you're making so when I tell you something at bar xx on beat xx instead of /ǎ/ give me /à/.

Example: it's common to drop /ŋ/ in favor of /n/ for drawn out passages, or altogether as the nasality of the end of /ŋ/ just sounds gross.

i didnt get it do you prefer to say the number of the bar or the time of the clip,,, or the phoneme name
i feel like it's the latter but you worded it like it's the first

what does all that mean , record an example pls

As with almost everything you can learn, it's all about getting the right information and practicing.
You can do that on your own but you'll have to sift through a lot of unnecessary or straight up bad info to get the nuggets of information that will help you improve.
Having a teacher that you know is experienced and knows his/her shit, ensures that you only get the right information as filtered by him/her throughout all the years spent studying and practicing, learning what works and what doesn't.

Having a teacher is especially useful when you're a beginner because if you happen to do something in an incorrect way, the teacher will help you fix it before it becomes an unshakeable habit, so by getting feedback right away you ensure that you learn and practice correctly and build a solid foundation for when you become more advanced and any problem you might've developed on your own will end up severely damaging your ability to do what you're trying to do.

Don't listen to those who tell you that learning on your own is the same as learning with a skilled teacher. Only a literal retard would think something so self-evidently stupid.
The only argument in favor of learning on your own is that you may not be able to have a teacher/mentor, so doing without is the next big thing, but if you can have one, there's absolutely no advantage to doing everything on your own, that's retarded.

>getting a teacher wont help me figure stuff instantly and only weeks later i would find the stuff that he was refering to
Maybe if your teacher is as retarded as tha redditor.
Any teacher worth his salt would be able to teach you how to do things the correct way.

>instantly
Why would it be instantly?
There's nothing that you can learn instantly by getting a single session with a teacher, what the fuck is this about?
Besides, learning with a teacher will definitely make you learn much faster than without, so the whole argument is moot.

If you have to have a gibberish random-character tripcode, why not use a secured one?
What's the point of using an unsecured one if it doesn't have any cool word?

vocaroo.com/i/s1Y5sPvIpUeF-- since you're not in person and I'm not a dazzling vocalist this is nonsense. Like I said, it would be wise of you to learn these things as, at least myself-- I will critique vocal takes sent to me in this manner from clients who have worked with me before. I will try and break down problem parts and explain, I need less /x/ and need more /y/ and then when they come in, they have a general understanding of what I had in mind and it allows me to fine tune them without wasting the fucking 15 minutes to an hour to get them to understand the sound that's really bugging me. End of the day the process is much quicker in person as I can simply articulate or annunciate, or play back the take to the person in question. Also, just fucking record yourself more and figure out what sounds you hate and then rerecord yourself. It's a self-practice model man, just put the work in and learn to control your voice. Your mouth, head and neck are literally a four-stage EQ and you control the frequencies you make and you need to figure out what frequencies sound good or bad to you when heard back senpai.

Teachers for vocalists generally don't go beyond the usual lot of technique unless our man is trying to become some sort of bel canto star. It wouldn't hurt him to take four months and then begin to form his own heuristics but at the end of the day if he's just looking to sing some fucking schlock it's a waste of his time and effort, and a waste of the teacher's.

i want to sing the harder kiss songs like unholy, nothing can keep me from you and some rod stewart

As much as I can admittedly like KISS on here, that's still schlock. Four months with a teacher, then just fucking follow
>Also, just fucking record yourself more and figure out what sounds you hate and then rerecord yourself. It's a self-practice model man, just put the work in and learn to control your voice. Your mouth, head and neck are literally a four-stage EQ and you control the frequencies you make and you need to figure out what frequencies sound good or bad to you when heard back senpai.

>Teachers for vocalists generally don't go beyond the usual lot of technique
Yes, and thy'll be able to teach him those in an effective way by giving him feedback on what he gets right and wrong.
Singing is one of the harder things to self-assess, so having an experienced ear to guide you is a million times better than being guided by a beginner (who happens to be himself and can't judge his own singing as impartially as someone else could).

>unless our man is trying to become some sort of bel canto star.
What does this even mean?

>It wouldn't hurt him to take four months and then begin to form his own heuristics but at the end of the day if he's just looking to sing some fucking schlock it's a waste of his time and effort, and a waste of the teacher's.
As with anything else.
If he wants to improve he can keep doing it on his own and relying on the feedback of random people online, or he can get a teacher and get some actually trustworthy feedback to adjust his technique in real time.

what about queen then

>Also, just fucking record yourself more and figure out what sounds you hate and then rerecord yourself. It's a self-practice model man
thats what ive been doing for 3 fuckin years thank you so much

Wait you've been doing this for three years? What the fuck?

it's been three years since i first started trying to sing. do you want the earliest recordings

Not him but yes please

>7 downloads
>no one said anything about it
>mfw this whole thing was actually just a meme and barely anybody saw it

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That's a good way to develop bad habits and hurt yourself.

I would have but im too lazy to install live

I don't expect anyone to install anything specifically for me, but I thought a lot of people here had Live suite with M4L, so it wouldn't be an issue for them.
Thank you anyway, I appreciate it.

nice except for the clipping

I'm fucking around with a patch I recorded, making the goofiest shit man
instaud.io/3BcE

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Sort of. I kinda based them off of stuff I would hum to myself while imagining them.

It's my own, it's based on how I used to imagine buildings as huge death-star structures the good guys would attack or defend. It's hard to describe the scale and scope of it, imagine if bacteria fortified an entire office building as a massive fortress / cloning facility / cruiser factory / airfield. Basically star wars but taking place entirely on one planet and no lasers.

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heres a couple songs that i just got the chords and sang them for the first time. i only had listened to them before. and just played the song twice before recording (well the pretend one was a bit more). how bad i am?

instaud.io/3Bdx
instaud.io/3Bdy

you just told me to do that, fuck you

Do you see yourself using all of that stuff? The trap with digital is the fact that adding onto your library of effects, instruments and samples is so easy. Why don't you pick one or two vsts that you find very interesting and get deep into them?

sounded like it was going to be dope as fuck, then wasn't. Thought it was going to explode into full time drill madness. But just went meh

clyp.it/ewxvr1yq

Why isn't the second section standing out as much? Added risers, filter movement before it, delaying the bass, filling out the frequency spectrum (but not all at once) Pretty much everything that I know of.

the first half just meanders around then sorta fades away. doesn't really draw the listener's focus in at all. by the time you get to the second half, the listener already lost interest!

alrighty thanks brother, any ideas?

>Note: not hip hop samples, I make techno and house.

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don't make the lead fade away without adding in a new object of focus. at 0:08 seconds it sounds like the end of a song because the lead is basically gone and all u got is like blurry background sound. i would take off that low pass filter for starters, . since you don't have any bass there to emphasize, and all your instruments are more treble, you're just truncating them all for no reason

i fucking love Kontakt

okay perfect, i'll be back ty user

musictheory.net/exercises/note

bro u wasted ur time making that program

That shit is trash.
It doesn't have half the options and functionalities of mine, it doesn't have the on-screen keyboard, and it doesn't allow you to use your MIDI one.
Also it doesn't have the special /prod/ edition that I included in the folder.

And I would've wasted my time doing pointless shit anyway, so at least I got something out of it.

>used to come here all the time 3 - 4 years ago
>actually made friends with some people here and we made songs together and sent each other shit all the time
>first time coming here in 2 years
>haven't spoken to any of my old /prod/ friends in years
>now i'm out playing my music at clubs in DC, while none of them have posted anything on soundcloud in almost 3 years

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oh. i just took a quick look at ur thingy didn't know u wanted all that fancy stuff

People grow up user. There gets to be a point where alot of people get their priorities/careers in check.

Leaving this place is the real secret weapon.

if you're really serious about music like i am then there just comes a point where you gain nothing from posting here. you just get better than everyone else, as the average skill level here is and has always stayed the same.

post some of your music please and thank you! I need some inspiration for my stuff I want to get better, and I want to hear what good stuff sounds like. Maybe you could give me some input on mine as well. But post your music please and thank you!

Proud of you user. What did you do to improve after you left? I feel like I'm stuck in the same place where I have decent songwriting but terrible production

when did you grow out of ableton live?

for me, it was when i was 13

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I can't name a single thing I've learned from coming here since I started coming daily in 2016/2017, and I knew that the day I started.
If I wanted to learn shit I'd be somewhere else. I just come here for the funposting and the "social" aspect.

it is bulky and i hate programming it

at least you stuck with it
i was on 3 years ago but i wasn't "SeRiOuS" then

literally everybody who i've been linked to dropped off.... life happens i guess

>inb4 a bunch of people telling you to post
you don't even have to be good to be above this retarded general, just have fundamental knowledge lol

realest post in thread

stahp

for me it was always dub turbo i never even demoed another daw before

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so is it a meme or is it legit

Why spend a few days learning something in a subpar way when you can spend the same amount of time creating the perfect method and then not use it?

>“Preparation of learning is, in itself, a very considerable learning.”
- David Hume

just keep making shit. there comes a point where things just click and you star hitting your stride. good production will come in time as you develop your ears and start recognizing what does and doesn't sound good AS YOU MAKE IT.
true. that's the only reason im here rn
drive.google.com/file/d/1Kzw29krEmLMJHXUoo-Bmh7tPnm8f-sSE/view?usp=sharing
this one i love playing at clubs

drive.google.com/file/d/1xKMCqXNMtZ2vrny7cHHJMAB-Of6Z33cI/view?usp=sharing
this one is the best thing ive ever made easily,

uploading to google drive since the files are too big

There are two versions. The legit and the meme one (a bit less polished).
They both work, but the non-meme one is what you'd use.

I also uploaded it here (without the meme version):
maxforlive.com/library/device/5413/sheet-trainer

what vst

I ONLY MAKE MUSIC SO I CAN GET AN ARTHOE GF

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diva is all you need. i use it almost exclusively. the thing is a fucking power house.

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>drive.google.com/file/d/1Kzw29krEmLMJHXUoo-Bmh7tPnm8f-sSE/view?usp=sharing
Does this one sample On Sight by Kanye West or it just sounds similar?

>180$
yea no

>stingy about $180

you're never going to make it

i did sample on sight

A lot of producers can't get gigs because they never leave the house.
Did you start to get bookings after partecipating in the scene and meeting people, or did you get a manager who got you the gigs without you having to interact with anybody?

uhe plugins are worth the money

but you said i could pick a vst i find very interesting and this vst doesn't interest me for 180$

How do you reconcile being paid and calling yourself a producer with being a filthy cheater who uses samples?

i'm an incel neet but my shit just got noticed on soundcloud by a talent scout in DC.

BIG TIP HERE, SET YOUR LOCATIONS ON SOUNDCLOUD, INSTA, ETC. TO YOUR NEAREST CITY. for example, i do not live in dc, i live in maryland, but dc is only 40 minutes form me so that's an easy drive. these talent scouts set your shit to your nearest city, or whoever there's a local scene.

>drive.google.com/file/d/1Kzw29krEmLMJHXUoo-Bmh7tPnm8f-sSE/view?usp=sharing
Its decent. Yeah man follow your passion. Sounding pretty good so far, keep working on your craft you already have a leg up on alot of people, you finish your tracks haha.

>but you said i could pick a vst i find very interesting

i wasn't the original reply, just saw you're $180 post

but yeah now looking back at it the arturia V collection is worth it under 2 situations:

1. you get it on sale (sale twice a year)
2. you actually get into the synth and tweak parameters, rather than just using presets

if you just use presets / slightly tweak presets, you're better off getting the arturia analog lab, which is basically all the presets of the v collection but stripped back so you can't mod as much

Good advice. Never thought of that, thank you.

How did you learn to DJ?

my first few gigs were at local open mic nights. highly suggest you start there just to get a feel of a live environment.
if you have a doubt something youi hear in a sing is a sample, then that's sampling done right.
thanks. although nobody finishes every song. some tracks you make just suck dick. you gotta know when to call it a quits on a bad track and stop wasting ur time on energy

>if you have a doubt something youi hear in a sing is a sample, then that's sampling done right.
Completely arbitrary and made up rule my dude

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i don't DJ. i have a lappy, ableton, a scarlet 6i6, and an APC40 mk2.

*these talent scouts only look in locations where there's a scene. set your shit to your nearest city, or wherever there's a local scene.
that's my philosophy. all my idols sample like that.

>i don't DJ. i have a lappy, ableton, a scarlet 6i6, and an APC40 mk2.
How do you play your shows?
Do you improvise something or you just play your song stems and mix them together?

The electromechanical stuff is good but the Solina V, which is good, has a shitty implementation of the Ensemble effect which is the pearl in the oyster of the Solina. It's fixed at too fast a rate and the real hardware would let you tweak the rate/depth. I dunno if they fixed it. But I wanted to get a Solina Ensemble standalone effect and there's only rare hardware units like the Elkorus.

With the Synclavier you really need to learn the DX7 to use it and once you learn the DX7 or an emulation you probably won't be interested in the Synclavier although it's very interesting. You draw in sine waves in overtones and make it morph along a timeline of dots you drag, kind of like the Prophet VS synth part but more complex. I don't know of any Synclavier masters or what it sounds like, I think people just used it as a preset machine like the DX7 when that came out.

Is there some sort of new additive synth VST that makes the Synclavier V redundant? I seem to remember Ableton Operator had additive synthesis but I can't remember if it had morphing.

But yeah Arturia definitely usable but rough around the edges, they stretch themselves too thin and make too many VSTs at once instead of focusing on making one really good one at a time like U-he. The GUIs are pretty terrible on the synths but the keyboards/string synth/organ stuff is good like it was made by a different department of Arturia.

>you just play your song stems and mix them together?
yeah. i'd like to have more elaborate shows, and i'd love to make really fan service shit like combining songs, but that's more of a long term thing.

What's stopping you?

also, managers, agents, etc. won't pay you any mind until you've already played a decent number of live shows, can draw a crowd on your own, and have proven you at least have the potential to sell a lot of tickets.

if you combine your songs for a crowd that's never heard your songs before, they would just think that the combined stuff is the original song. they're not gonna recognize bits from both separate songs.

Of course.
In the beginning it's either a matter of becoming a local act by being a social climber and getting gigs through friends, or by building up a big enough social media following that you can leverage for gigs even if everything else is missing (because you can supposedly tell your many fans to come to your shows, even if in reality all your fans are scattered around the world and none of them cares enough to come see you live).
Obviously if you're a nobody with no fans and no experience, a manager can't do any miracle for you.

He's trash.

Can't you mash up your songs with other people's?
Or improvise with effects and sampled parts of your songs that you can play controllerism-style?
With all the tools that make it foolproof, it shouldn't be too hard to learn in a short time, and it can make your shows much more interesting.

hell yeah i could, but i have no desire to do that.

Why not?

i have no desire to play music that isn't my own

Unless it's in a song that you call yours, eh?

ooh killem

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Are you still neet though or do you make a living off of gigs?

i made 20 dollars from my last show.
i'm only 20, and live with my mom.

how has this album STILL not been uploaded?

dude that's young af

im trying to replicate the drum sounds from this album but i can never get it right, any tips

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yeah, here's a tip:

POST THE FUCKING THING UR TALKING ABOUT.

youtube.com/watch?v=SG-AGY1KFMg learn to use google

Fuck, that's harsh. I'm starting now, I hope I don't become like one of your friends.

i'm not even gonna help u. take that attitude and shove it up ur ass

youtu.be/XOxhpu9WpWI
Would you listen to this? It feels impossible to go back to this sound and still make money

Make you want and the money will come dumbass nigga

daaaamnnn you made that? yes i'd listen

what the fuck is this nigga even talking about

youtube.com/watch?v=1iquanAWMaI

I'm the guitar player, thank you!!
If only it were that easy

This argument is as smart as you'd expect it to be, coming from someone who says "dumbass nigga".
Good job.

fucking shitposter man

>asking for help
>learn to use google faggot just help me!!!

fucking lol go fuck yourself. this post is even worse because you're obviously new as shit if you can't figure out those drums

i mean yeah it's dope and you guys should be proud of it but that sound has had its day. shit, "bands" have had their day(s).

in my opinion, this is weird in places, while mixed with more normal parts. the contrast between the two makes the song as a whole even weirder. i don't think something this weird would make u money

what's wrong

It's like he's explaining what you can do but now how you can do it. I finally get that when people say shit like "i v iv iii" they're referring to the chords by the number of the note in the scale.

Thanks for replying. Yeah, it's hard for grunge to make it over here, most bands don't stick around for too long. We've polished our sound since then and gotten our best results yet, but as a 6 man band there's little wiggle room money wise, so we'll just deal with it. Maybe a couple of commercial singles are the way to go

easiest way to break from the scale and sound good is by playing chromatically

i really like grunge, but holy fuck did that genre fall off. there's no reviving it bro, sorry.

what the fuck is chromatically
fuck it

you play notes directly next to each other

he plays notes that are far apart

The thread is past the bump limit so after this shameful and pathetic attempt at a meme, I'll just post the screenshots here so we can hopefully all forget about this blunder and move on.

Pic related is the device that's in the folder.
When you open it you see the first picture of him smiling. If you get the note right you see him giving the thumb up, and if you get it wrong you see him crying.
Also if you turn on the note lables on the keys a "cringe and bluepilled" mesage appears, and if you turn them back off it tells you "based and redpilled".

Why did I do this?

Sammy I hope you're not offended. You know we love you.

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That sound struck me as tropical pop rock at least at the start, like Miami Horror who maybe still going

10/10
>You know we love you.
absolutely not true, he's annoying as shit

If you get ten in a row correct, you should be rewarded with this picture

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lmao

You have to respite from the internet for a few months, you're too deep into it

"Chromatically" means you're allowed to use all 12 tones dummy.

I appreciate your effort, but I didn't dl it because I'm a Resonfag.

He grows on you after a while.

Lmao done:
mediafire.com/file/76nda44gh6ystse
Ultra rushed so it might have problems but it should work.

Make that a few years.

It's ok.

>He grows on you after a while.
I have been here longer than he has, no he doesn't

However, you did grow on me