Which one and why?

His film career is where he took a dive, cause before and after that he played songs he wanted to play. During his film career he played songs chosen for him by executives, which were usually shit
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Chuck and Little Richard could never have hoped to achieve Elvis's superstar status simply because it was the 50s and they had the wrong skin color.

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Find me a more uncomfortable song sung by Elvis, pro-tip: you can't

Chuck was obviously the more talented of the two, but I'd rather listen to Elvis. The guy basically had the monopoly on rock 'n' roll for nearly two decades.

Well put. Chuck and Johnnie Johnson wrote some brilliant songs, but very limited in time and scope. He was on fire for a few years and then absolutely nothing after that. His catalog is not expansive and belongs strictly in the 1955 to 59 period.

Wow you're going to get some big arguments here starting with me.

No it's not. Nobody is going to argue that Chuck made any relevant music after 1965.

Why is everyone belittling Elvis as just an interpreter and showman? People forget the huge contribution to rock and roll he made by combining country with R&B and gospel. He created a musical synthesis that hadn't existed before.

Why though? Little Richard did genre fusion as good as Elvis, but Elvis made it marketable to the masses (I won't lie that being white certainly helped). And shit, Ray Charles did it even earlier than them.

Ray Charles was mainly an R&B performer who also incorporated gospel in his music, but his success was pretty much limited to black audiences, he didn't have many white fans, at least not until he went country in 62, long after Elvis had set the stage for genre fusion. The first single he ever recorded at Sun was a fusion of country/rockabilly with blues vocals. His Sun output was already cutting-edge stuff and that was just at the very start of his career.

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Alright, maybe Ray Charles was stretching things a bit but what about Little Richard?

I like Little Richard and he was also cutting edge in the 50s, but like Chuck Berry he couldn't keep it up much past 1958. His entire legacy is based on three years worth of recordings. I will give you he did some fine soul/funk recordings in the 70s at Warner, but I doubt more than about five people have heard them.

But had Elvis even heard Little Richard? (genuine question) It's fine to prefer other rock and roll pioneers as I do, but I think Elvis forged his early sound independently.

Little Richard did enough for himself I think.

Well maybe. Little Richard had begun his recording career in 1951 but nothing he put out charted until Tutti Frutti.

I have no idea exactly when Elvis first heard him but he soaked up country, blues, gospel, and R&B records like a sponge. Chuck Berry didn't work in a vacuum either, nobody did. But what Elvis did do was offer the complete package to audiences.

Elvis certainly had a longer, more successful career on the charts than Berry did. And I think his overall body of recorded work is much more diverse, varied, and artistically successful than Berry's. But that's just my opinion. On the flip side Berry was a revolutionary songwriter with a hugely influential guitar style; Elvis didn't write songs and wasn't an instrumental innovator. But I guess you could argue Berry wasn't a vocal innovator the way Elvis was. They both were there at the beginning and both independently came up with the ideas of synthesizing various genres into what became rock-n-roll. So in terms of contributions to the creation of rock-n-roll itself, I'd say it's a wash.

Carl Perkins and Jerry Lee Lewis were white and they never got close to his level. So I don't think that was entirely the reason for it.

Elvis fucked underage groupies and got away with it. Priscilla's parents quietly consented to their relationship when she was 14. On the other hand, Chuck Berry did two years in jail for violating the Mann Act. True, there was probably some racism involved in his sentencing, yet the white as a snowflake Jerry Lee Lewis got in big trouble for marrying his 13 year old cousin.

It can't be denied that Elvis's superstar status protected him in a way that his lesser peers didn't enjoy. In both Chuck and Jerry's cases, their legal troubles really interfered with their careers and ability to get recording work and radio play.

^This. Chuck Berry's relevance as a recording artist pretty much died around the same time as Buddy Holly. If he'd hung up his guitar in 1959, we wouldn't have really missed anything and nothing he put out after Johnny B. Goode substantially added to his legacy.

Elvis may have changed the world of music but he will never receive those composer credits for what he did with something that was already created. Even if you completely renovate a house you can't say that you built it because the structure and foundation was already there before you and your tools arrived.

So I can assume you completely dismiss Whitney Houston's version"I Will Always Love You" because she didn't write the song? By your logic, Houston's work (and success) with the song means nothing because Dolly Parton originally wrote and released it first.

Whitney's version of that song is fucking awful.

chuck had a small dick and was into scat
elvis had a huge schlong and could dance better

Bringing up Whitney Houston isn't the best way of defending Elvis. She had some impressive pipes even if I personally find them ear-splitting, but she was never anything more than a producer's puppet who had no real control over her own musical direction.

without Elvis he would’ve never been this famous
Elvis opened the door for black music in the mainstream

Several members of the Memphis Mafia claimed that Elvis told them straight up that he and Priscilla fucked when they first met in Germany, even though she's going to claim to her dying day that they never did it until their wedding night.

>jew vs nig
tough one

Shit, some sources claim it happened on their second date. Others say her parents blackmailed Elvis with Mann Act threats to force him to marry her and they basically pimped her out.

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Too bad Elvis's genuine artistic accomplishments are overshadowed for many people with the cartoon image of a fat guy in a sequined jumpsuit who made shitty movies.

Whitnez Houston was the greatest female artist of all time but I agree that song is annoying

If anyone's interested, I read a Dave Marsh review of the Chuck Berry Chess Box in which Marsh says Berry isn't much good beyond his major hits.

Elvis Presley was the first great swindle of rock'n'roll, and the prototype for the ones that would follow. Equipped him with a masterful rhythm section (Bill Black on bass and Scotty Moore on guitar), he was marketed as the juvenile delinquent that he was not. In segregated America, Presley became the ultimate white robber of black hits: Arthur Crudup's That's All Right Mama (1954), Roy Brown's Good Rockin' Tonight (1955), Junior Parker's Mystery Train (1955). He began to move towards "whiter" material with Carl Perkins' Blue Suede Shoes (1956), with Shorty Long on piano, Mae Axton's Heartbreak Hotel (1956), perhaps his vocal masterpiece, Leiber & Stoller's Hound Dog (1956), but his black soul still emerged in Otis Blackwell's diptych Don't Be Cruel (1956), his greatest hit, and All Shook Up (1957).

Well, he was a jew
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No, just no. Dave Marsh is an idiot like all 70s rock critics. He masturbated to Springsteen, Jackson Browne, and Bob Seger while acting like David Bowie and the Grateful Dead were worse than the plague.

That's not fair. Marsh actually loves Chuck Berry, but he and Christgau arrived at essentially the same conclusion, which is that Chuck was a singles artist, not an album one, and his recordings outside the big hits were an ocean of phoned-in lounge blues, bad covers, lazy instrumentals, and poor attempts at copying Frank Sinatra. By the time you get to disc 3 of the Chess box, we also hear Chuck become an increasingly lazy self-parodist. There's 65 songs on the set, but you only need about 1/3rd of them.

Chuck's music has an easy looseness and airiness to it, not to mention a sense of humor and sarcasm that Elvis could never muster.

And he'd been performing live since 1949 or so.

it wasn’t small at all you faggot size queen

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>nigger
>lazy
person of color me surprised

Elvis gets shit on for not writing his own songs, yet people forget he (usually) chose himself what songs he wanted to record and he also produced and arranged, so he had much more control over how his songs came out than you think. He wasn't anything like Whitney Houston where you just plugged her in behind a mic and the producers did all the work.

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Chuck did produce some brilliant work which broke new ground instrumentally and lyrically. But he wasn't particularly diverse stylistically, and after a relatively short time he began repeating himself artistically. In a recording career that spanned 24 years, his entire relevant body of work took place in four of them.

hard to chose between a pedo and a perv

look up what pedophilia means you puritan burgernigger

Chuck Berry, it's not even close. He completely blows Elvis out of the water.

Elvis was a wonderful singer and performer but he couldn't write music and work his way around a guitar like Chuck could.

Buddy Holly>both

THIS

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Because essentially he was one, but the thing is that he was fucking wonderful at what he did and is one of the all time greats for what he contributed to music. It's a fucking shame that Time left him off the Century list.

is this bo diddley's guitar

Elvis represents everything that was and still is wrong with American music. also he was a man child who only liked teen girls bc grown women intimidated him.

Chuck berry easily

But Elvis copied and made money off his music, you’re saying that like him stealing is any better because white people couldnt digest a black musician making rock music.

Elvis. He was white.

Berry's entire guitar style was a meeting of country and R&B styles at the time.