Based Scaruffi added ratings out of 10 for jazz albums like he had done for rock albums previously

The album is kind of overrated though. Trane's live performances of My Favorite Things are just so much better.

pretty sure Scaruffi hates cover albums in general so I'm surprised it's even that high

Covers in jazz are seen very differently than covers in rock. In fact, nobody even calls them covers.

>Personally, I get rather bored listening to the 100th version of a "standard". Therefore I tend to reward original compositions over covers. A well-played album of covers is... a well-played album of covers. An album of great compositions is... a masterpiece by that composer. (Incidentally, most jazz "standards" are not much better than pop songs, and often they actually "are" pop songs, something that, personally, I don't find very interesting).

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>"I don't find pop songs very interesting"
>rates Loveless 9/10

What did he mean by this??

If Loveless was acoustic or generic soft rock he would rate it 5/10 or less

Ah ok, gotcha.
I actually really like hearing standards though, because it really highlights the players creativity in improvisation, since you can compare rather directly to other versions of the standard.
Also keep in mind that My Favorite Things was NOT a standard at the time Trane recorded that album. Trane effectively owned that tune for a good many years.

It's a really cool defining feature of jazz just how much personality there is in the way a certain player chooses to approach soloing over a familiar chord progression.

I just really like jazz.

Lol Janelle Monae put out a better album than all jazz musicians this decade.

I’m glad his ratings are consistent with his belief that jazz musicians pull too much shit out of their ass

But it isn't, texture layering is pretty much the entire point of the album, so it got a fair rating

His ratings are not meant to be compared across genres, idiot.

yes, thank you, that was my point

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Jesus his taste in jazz is embarrassing.

He’s an ok rock critic I guess but unsurprisingly he comes off looking like a fool when he tries to show off how much “diverse” music he listens to.

he started listening to rock later in life

Yeah ever notice how he doesn’t actually review any jazz albums? It’s because he doesn’t know shit about jazz and is the original rockist “jazz fan”. His history of jazz essay is also hilariously bad.

>Ornette Coleman: Free Jazz (1960)
>8.5
this is the only time he got it right

>the black saint and the sinner lady is his favorite jazz album
>gives it a 9 (nine)
oh nonono

lmao so there are around 250 albums on that list. How many of those do you think he’s actually listened to? I’m guessing less than 100 of them.

Scaruffi is actually completely deaf so 0

I kind of doubt that he’s heard more than 250 jazz albums in his whole life.

What's so unbelievable about having heard 250 jazz albums? It's not like he's been interested in music since yesterday

>wanting to be considered patrician

fuck is that true? I thought scaruffi was the ultimate patrician

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I’m pretty sure he admitted somewhere that he hadn’t heard all the jazz albums on his best of lists but just put them there based on how important he thinks they are and some other arbitrary bullshit

>Sun Ra
John Coltrane
>Ornette Coleman
Sun Ra
>John Coltrane
Ornette Coleman
>Sun Ra
John Coltrane
>Ornette Coleman
Sun Ra
>John Coltrane
Ornette Coleman

There are already huge catalogues of jazz critiques that are pretty much perfect, why would anyone review classic jazz albums that have been sufficiently reviewed already? You clearly don't know shit about jazz if you're this desperate for reviews.

big if true

>desperate for reviews
lmao I just think it’s funny how he can’t even type a coherent paragraph to defend his opinions

lmao you seem like a smart dude haha, gimme some patrician jazz recs

Tim Heidecker - I Am a Cuck

Sam Rivers - Contours
Andrew Hill - Passing Ships
Russian Jazz Quartet - Happiness
Guiseppe Logan Quartet
Woody Shaw - In the Beginning
Joe Henderson - Multiple
Julius Hemphill - Dogon AD
John Carter - Dauwhe
Tim Berne - Mutant Variations

I always assumed he was a much bigger jazz fan than rock, but going off his ratings rock music has surpassed jazz every year since 1967 (except for 2002).

It’s pretty obvious he doesn’t even really listen to jazz. But he wants to seem like he listens to a lot of jazz.

big mood

my first year browsing mu i always though this guy was Conan Obrien on a bad day and i dismiised all these threads becasuse i though it was some sort of very shitty meme
/blog

Oh wow
I like jazz now

What about rock vs avant-garde?

So THIS is why all the rockists on Yea Forums act like these are the only jazz artists who exist.

Why would someone that only listens to a little bit of jazz listen to the stuff that's not considered good?

He just made these ratings dummy

Considered by whom?

If scruffy says it’s good it must be good, right? Don’t even bother listening to anything else, let alone considering for yourself whether it’s good or not.

His 30's - 40's - early 50's list is garbage. Here's a good one friends:

9/10:
Machito - Afro-Cuban Jazz [1951]
Lester Young Trio - s/t Vol.1 [1951]
Stan Kenton - Innovations in Modern Music [1950]
Stan Kenton - Milestones [Compilation; 1950]
Charlie Mariano - With His Jazz Group [1950]
Stan Kenton - Encores [1949]
Oscar Peterson - At Carnegie [1951]
Gene Krupa - Dance Parade [1949]
Bud Powell - Piano Solos #2 [1950]
Woody Herman - Sequence in Jazz [1948]
Stan Kenton - Artistry In Rhythm
Duke Ellington - Liberian Suite [1949]
Harry James - Dance Parade [1950]
Benny Goodman - Benny Goodman Sextet
Charlie Barnet and His Orchestra - Hop On The Skyliner!!

Wherever they get their music taste from.

Looks like a bunch of wankery to me

8/10:
Dave Brubeck Trio - Distinctive Rhythm Instrumentals [Compilation; 1951]
Miles Davis - The New Sounds [1952]
Duke Ellington - Masterpieces by Ellington [1951]
Pearl Bailey - Entertains [1950]
Sonny Stitt & Bud Powell - s/t [1951]
Billie Holiday - Sings [1952]
Kai Winding / J. J. Johnson - Modern Jazz Trombones [1951]
Earl Bostic - Earl Bostic and His Alto Sax [1951]
Louis Armstrong - Vol. 2 Jazz Concert [1950]
Lee Konitz - The New Sounds [1951]
Charlie Parker - Bird Blows the Blues [1950]
Gene Ammons & Sonny Stitt - Battle of the Saxes [1951]
Stan Kenton - A Presentation of Progressive Jazz [1947]
Joe Bushkin - After Hours [1950]
Charlie Parker - Charlie Parker Sextet [1950]
Pete Johnson - Boogie Woogie Classics [1951]
Benny Goodman - Combos [1951]
Pérez Prado - Mucho Mambo for Dancing [1951]
Les Paul & Mary Ford - Les Paul's New Sound, Vol. 2 [1951]
Zoot Sims - Tenor Sax Favorites [1951]
Art Hodes - Dixieland Jubilee [1950]
Stan Getz - Vol. 1 [1951]
Baby Dodds - A Session With Baby Dodds [1946]
Tommy Dorsey - All Time Hits [Compilation; 1951]
Les Brown - Dance Parade [1950]
Gene Krupa - s/t [1947]
Stan Getz - Vol. 2 [1951]
Jazz At The Philharmonic - Norman Granz' Jazz at the Philharmonic, Vol. 4
The King Cole Trio - s/t, vol. 3 [1948]
Jimmy Dorsey - Contrasting Music [1941]
Jazz At The Philharmonic - Vol. 1 [1945]
The King Cole Trio - s/t, vol. 4 [1949]
Charlie Parker - s/t [Compilation; 1948]
Duke Ellington - A Duke Ellington Panorama
Amos Milburn - Rockin' the Boogie [Compilation; 1951]
Art Pepper - s/t [1952]
Quintette du Hot Club de France - Quintet of The Hot Club of France
Doris Day & Harry James - Young Man With a Horn [1950]
Georgie Auld - The Most Versatile Saxophonist of Our Time [1946]
Django Reinhardt - s/t [1935]
Mary Lou Williams - Piano Solos [1946]
Duke Ellington - Black, Brown and Beige
James P. Johnson - New York Jazz
The Capitol Jazzmen - New American Jazz
Charlie Parker - With Strings [1950]
Glenn Miller - s/t [1944]

I'm not going to listen to 100 jazz albums if the first 10 I hear are either okay or bad. Not everyone has autistic amounts of time to spend on pretending to like something.

>caring about anything more than I do is autistic!
classic cope

Its okay to care about stuff you like, but you're clearly pretending

I forgot Stan Kenton - City of Glass [1952]. Solid 8/10. Scaruffi got this one right, indeed.

If you’re so stupid that you can’t find good jazz albums to listen to without an old man telling you which ones are good then at least try some old men who at least know something about jazz like Scott Yanow or Thom Jurek.

oh, so he does consider TMR above all jazz after all. some people were thinking that he held jazz above rock so multiple jazz albums were probably better than TMR according to him. I guess that is settled

check the sidebar
scaruffi.com/jazz/best100.html

The stuff he lauds about TMR are definitely executed on a higher level by TMR than by The Black Saint, it would be really confusing to me if he gave Black Saint a 10.

He will never give any album a 10. He will never state that an album is the "best album ever", because he will never listen to every album. That's his philosophy behind the 10.

Explains why hes been so quiet posting new rock ratings, I was worried he'd kicked the bucket

>Mfw Scaruffi thinks Atlantis is good

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has anyone made a chart for his jazz albums?

based mingus. i kind of expected him to have a 10 though.

...

This has completely exposed him for me and i don't really think i can take him all that seriously anymore

how autistic

b-but muh textures

you guys are cute when you talk about jazz
but seriously guys. meet some jazz musicians and ask them what they like. you'll discover some great music this way
pleb critics don't understand this music

nice:)

a jazz 9 is a rock 10
a jazz 9 is a classical 7