Why hasn't Adam Neely gotten his big break yet? He has the skill set and the know-how. Isn't that enough...

Why hasn't Adam Neely gotten his big break yet? He has the skill set and the know-how. Isn't that enough? Were all the thousands hours of practice and gigs meaningless? Do you think he lays in bed in the peak hours of night tossing and turning if he really has to settle for a modest youtube career instead of a successful musician? Does he perhaps wonder when he leaves this earth, he will be mostly remembered for his helpful theory videos or quirky fun music challenges he did instead of his original compositions. I don't know.

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Because he's a b*ss player and isn't Jaco Pastorius

hes not a good composer just has a massive head about himself, though expected from a jazz player

His music sucks dick

because his music is mediocre and his quirky wub wub nu jazz isn't in the market at all anyways. think of every youtube personality who legitimately made it in music and compare them to adam neely.

I think he's living as a successful session musician and I feel he's also got a taste for learning. I don't imagine he regrets much.

Fuck off with your malingered synesthesia Adam, you pretentious cunt.

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since I've gotten back into playing music, I've been perusing a bunch of musician youtubers and the main thing that strikes me is that technical skill and knowledge of music theory is a dime a dozen now, but (obviously) absolutely nobody has good taste or ability to write a good song

I think it's an unfortunate case of all the know how but none of the pizazz, he probably thinks about stuff too much forgetting that good music comes from emotions and now how your score is put together. Great youtuber, meh song writer/producer.

The way the score is set is all about the expresion of emotion, however. You choose certain things because they convey the emotion you want them to convey, even when dealing with say spectralism or total serialism.

you cant learn to be a good composer, I had the nack since I first put my fingers on a piano, same for Mozart or any great, from there you just have to develop your skills but if you dont have the basic talent of composing its useless

This is completely untrue. I am a much better composer than when I was tone deaf. You just have to be creative. If you're creative acquiring the fundamental skills of any craft will allow you to become good at that craft. Doesn't matter what some spiteful dickhead on 4chun says.

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no sorry, the first time I put my paws on a piano and wrote a piece it was infantile yes but unique and something that would stick in your ear, if you dont have that talent you dont have it doesnt matter how many textbooks you read

>no sorry

This is how you know you're about to read some over-opinionated and condescending bullshit.

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Post your music faggot. It probably sucks.

so you can steal it?

I know what I'm talking about, some people have it some dont

True. But that "it" has nothing to do with how good their ears or dexterity is. Look at Jacob Collier. He's a multi-instrumentalist that can beatbox Indian polyrhythms and sing microtonally. But he certainly doesn't have "it". Meanwhile Einojuhani Rautavaara had no musical training of any kind until his late teens and he is one of the most distinctive and breathtaking composers ever.

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dont know who they are but I agree, however training will make a big difference, had Thom Yorke been born in the 19th century and being classically trained since a young age he would have proabaly turned into a decent composer

That already happened dood, just even earlier.

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He makes YouTube videos.

>you cant learn to be a good composer
This except the exact opposite, you fucking retard

examples of youtube personalities that made it?

He seems to be living a comfortable and happy life doing what he loves. If I were in his place that's all I'd ask for in life.

you can learn to be a better composer and extend your skills but if you dont have the talent from the beginning you cant be a good composer

What is talent?

>so you can steal it

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Just record it through your crappy phone mic if you're even actually worried about that. We all know you're just worried about have your feefees hurt.

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writing good music, its just a natural ability to find the next right note in a piece kinda hard to explain but other composers would understand

>believes in "right" notes

You must be writing the most basic shit then. the wrong notes are where the magic happens. Composition is the art of selling the wrong notes.

I wouldn't call it talent, it's just an aesthetic sense. All the theory and mechanical skill in the world won't help you write a good song if your idea of "good" is uninteresting in the first place

yikes, there is the right note, its not the note that you find from reading a theory book or studying your chord charts, its the next perfect note that people would say no other note would suffice, I see so many people who have read tons of books and cant write a single good bar where as I had it from the beginning, who knows maybe I'm just born with it.

out

>yikes
>out

hopefully for good

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I guarantee you back in the 1790s nobody but Mozart, Haydn and Beethoven thought these were the right notes

youtube.com/watch?v=W20E_-S6U0c
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we're still waiting faggot

he's a talented hack

yeah, like Collier and Beato. You know what they say, those who can't do, teach. And those who can't teach kill themselves.

imagine thinking that someone who seriously writes music would post it on Yea Forums for a bunch of autistic nerds to gawk at

>writing good music
That's just what you get better at with practice and what you're saying is aetshetic...

because he isn't marketable

I'm finding it a lot easier to imagine a guy who talks a bunch of shit and then ultimately cowers away from the confrontation, when it comes to putting the cards down on the table because he's an insecure bitch. And what's worse, is he does it under the pretense of mere indolence.

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His personality is much too insufferable to make it in Jazz. He could be a classical player, like gould but in Jazz you need to have good interpersonal skills and I can only imagine Adam just sucking all the energy out of any room he sets foot in with that vacuous ego of his.

Theory is just knowledge of music. You will literally come to the same conclusions via trial and error or by listening to music unconsciously. Actually studying music and listening to it is just a shortcut.

His music is absolute fucking trash. What do you expect from a guy who bleeps himself lmao. I just pulled some music out of my ass 15 minutes ago and it's better than anything he's ever done.

Most music is about charisma and Adam, although a cool, likeable guy has it inwards rather than outwards.
To make it in music you either are an introvert and latch on to an extrovert, are your own leading man or don't.

or maybe? just maybe?
there are millions of unique posters and some of them actually make music on a professional scale and they dont feel a need to justify themselves to bunch of no life nerds
its obvious what he is saying is correct if you think otherwise then you've never written music before
>right notes
of course there are right notes, every note in relation to each other hold different emotional cadence, holds a different role in the composition, so based on the arrangement, where in the arrangement, the key, potentially the material it accompanies - there are correct and wrong notes - and if you spend a lot of time making music you will *immediately* be able to hear when a note is wrong in relation to its surroundings
the reason you think there are no right notes is because you cant hear them.
actual kek

you guys are a bunch of clueless fags

>he

Its okay to admit you're the only one defending yourself.

No. ANYONE can hear the right notes, they are expected. If you want an example of a piece of music consisting of only right notes then look at Pachebel's Canon in D, an imminently worthless piece of music. Meanwhile every composition that actually holds interest has wrong notes that are well disguised as right ones.

What's considered right and wrong changes over time.

Your lack of musical understanding is showing.

I don't know why I'm taking the obvious bait in this thread.

ok believe what you want you terrible composers

not him but I think he meant the right note in that the note that seems perfect it doesnt have to be on 17th century harmony
Bernstein kinda explains here around the 5 min mark youtube.com/watch?v=OuYY1gV8jhU

This pretty much. Dude can shred on the bass and he's obviously knowledgeable but he can't write compelling music. Classic case of great theorist, mediocre musician. Jacob Collier is the zenith of this type.

Collier's stuff is awful but he's young as fuck.

Maybe once he has his heart broken a few times and a few people he loves dies he'll write good shit.

Or maybe not.

>he still won't post his music

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I doubt it. I think his best bet would be to just go all in on the esoteric shit. Fuck trying to split the difference between pop and prog and coming up short on both ends with cheesy ass songs too annoying to dance to. At least if he goes as big as possible it might be interesting

He's a great musician, but a middling composer.

Frankly the dude needs to learn about restraint, or try and just go full esoteric. Right now he's sort of in the worst of both worlds.

I think it comes from youth though...he's just super excited about all this stuff.
When he gets a bit older he might learn to be more restrained and use his obvious skills and knowledge in a more meaningful way.

Failing that he should get addicted to heroin for a bit, that's always a good shout.

Stop posting about e-celebs

Agreed. He's got mad skills but everything he does comes across as "Mum, look what I can do!"

It's 2019.

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>e-celebs
Welp....time to post this video again

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I hope you aren't suggesting Neely is a real celeb because he appeared on TV once to pretend to play bass and altogether has about less than a minute of screentime.

Literally nobody has ever come to the defense of an arrogant shit-talker who wont even post his music. I could see if someone else posted in your defense if they liked your music but nobody is thinking "oh I bet this guy's music is really good because he mentioned how amazing it was."

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The way he writes makes me think he's literally autistic. There's a pattern to the way autists like Chris-chan and others write, this guy's got it

Adam Neely fucking blows.

the competition out of the water? I agree.

Untalented theory faggots SEETHING like always

wait, you entirely eschew theory? Not even the greatest composers did that. Wow, you're music must be some Kurt Cobain garbola.

kurt cobain had a better natural ear for putting together an interesting progression than any youtube jazz nerd

No, he was a junkie retard piece of shit and his music sucked ass and only dumb normalshits liked it because it was simple and consisted of only right notes. Oh and the illusion of talent was upheld by his chad looks.

I'm not saying that learning theory is an impediment to creativity like the other guy, I'm just saying that one doesn't necessarily have a great effect on the other. You can be a very skilled and theoretically knowledgeable musician, like Adam Neely and the vast majority of professional musicians, and still be incapable of writing anything memorable or touching. The same applies to any artistic field, although music and fine art are probably the two least accessible through pure intuition

a lot of musicians were junkie retards. Miles Davis was a junkie retard

Kurt's material for Nirvana was nothing complex of course, but he truly did have a knack for incredible vocal melodies, key modulations, and counterpoint (all within a pop context). Yes, he was a pop songwriter, so again, there wasn't a great deal of complexity at least from a compositional standpoint, but nonetheless, being able to create songs that are "simple and consisted of only right notes" is not an inherently easy process itself.

>young as fuck
He is like 25, and considering his fucking pedigree he's had a massive head start.

Bieber

No, he was a junkie genius. Bill Evans too. And Scriabin.

sungazer is an interesting project and i do enjoy some of the shit from it but most of it is eh. i think its cool but nothing super remarkable

>Nirvanna
>counterpoint
>even modulating

AHAHAHAHAHA. You're joking right?

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Name one modulation that happens in a Nirvanna song that isn't just I-IV or I-V. Also no parallel modulations because those aren't modulations anyway.

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practically all pieces modulate, and if they have multiple voices you could classify it as counterpoint,

a nirvana song is better written than most of these jazz tards youtube.com/watch?v=pkcJEvMcnEg
even though this sounds shit as a piano reduction[since the piece is more about the timbre and vocals] there is still a nice natural flow to it youtube.com/watch?v=XATO8sGhYDY

>practically all pieces modulate

RIP user's brain

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This thing doesn't even actually modulate. This is hilarious. I was going to vocaroo my reaction to reading how Nirvanna had "counterpoint" because I just burst into laughter but by the time I navigated over there I was done laughing.

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I liked his video about personalized music taste but I tried watching others and he's a huge faggot. Andrew Huang is better but has an even faggier voice.

Sideways >>>>>

they do though, most popular songs modulate some where, the artist might not be aware that they did but composing in their theory ignorant and free manner its pretty natural they will the fact you're treating modulation as a great skill shows your a jazztard

The fact that you are defending Nirvanna on musical grounds proves you are REtard. I dunno about you but I'd rather be a Jazztard than a retard. But classical actually, so a swing and a miss.

dissonant != wrong

HAHAHAHA The fucking trill. Oh wow. You've brought me great humor and jests today user. I thank you.

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Because he's just not that good at making original music. He's what even the least inspired person can become, musically, if they just practice a lot and learn theory well.

I said no I-V. Literally every fucking song does that.

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actually what's worse is that its not even a very good modulation, very jarring and its only going to the next key in the circle of fifths. Just like I said, a junkie retard.

its actually modulates to the relative minor, though its hard to say the piece is ever in a specific key because of the accidentals, its more free harmony

Borrowed chords =/= modulation.

it literally changes key signature
>borrowed chords
jazztards really suck they're not smart/trained enough to be classists but not universal/simple enough to be pop so they sprout shit theory about chords

It goes back all the way to the beginning of temperament, if even just as a form of ornamentation.

The whole song is in minor. There is no relative minor and its quite clearly in A at the modulated part. At any rate it certainly has fuck all to do with B.

that will never happen

so now its fucking atonal? For christ sakes user, my sides can't take this kind of punishment.

It doesn't modulate. Its always in D. It kind of tries to but it never actually gets anywhere. That's what happens when you're a THEARLET

Wikipedia says E major, other sites say F major. Nobody says D

well they are all wrong. If you want to know the key of a song you just figure out which note is the resolution of whatever is going on. That remains D throughout the entire song.

>Grunge

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>practically all pieces modulate, and if they have multiple voices you could classify it as counterpoint,

stop embarrassing yourself, you clearly just learned these terms from google

holy fuck you retards a chord progression in one key is no modulation

jesus this board is filled with non-musician tourist SCUM

it's cause he's ugly and boring

there, I said it, I said what was on everyone's mind.

This is you

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Plenty of famous musicians are ugly and boring.

why are you responding to me? I correctly stated the whole thing was in D and never modulated.

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>E major

Wikipedia in charge of being retarded I guess.

name em

Post your music.

About a Girl modulates and so does In Bloom guys

Let me guess, you watched this moron's video?

youtube.com/watch?v=9bQouq9a_CA

Unironically almost all of them, being good-looking seems to really only be a requirement for female musicians.

Ugly and boring (personality-wise): Anton Bruckner, Ludwig Von Beethoven, Richard Wagner, Richard Strauss, Arnold Schoenberg

Just ugly but not boring: Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Friedrich Handel, Antonin Dvorak, Robert Schumann, Gyorgy Ligeti

Just boring but not ugly: Tchaikovsky, Faure, Messiaen. ah fuck it I'm bored.

This is the only guy in classical that has the whole package.

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Second post best post!

I'm not going to keep listening to Nirvana songs for counterpoint and modulation but if its I-V or even I-IV that's basic shit nobody should find in the least bit impressive.

>boring
>Wagner
I am not exactly a devotee of his, but that is just plain incorrect.

okay then just move him over to ugly but not boring.

> so you can steal it?
> That guy that thinks when he releases his stuff it's going to get millions of views

You stupid idiot, post your stuff if it's so good.

Wagner wasnt boring, also he wasnt terrible looking he was popular with the ladies,

also Liszt is the true full packet

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>I correctly stated the whole thing was in D and never modulated.

your own piano video has it changing from D to Bb in the "I'm not gonna crack" bridge, though that's just shitty notation. The chord progression is G to Bb. This should be notated in D with Bb and F being accidentals.

and you. what the fuck are you on about? nobody calls a modulation "I-V" or "I-IV". that makes 0 fucking sense.

the functional IV or V chord changes as you modulate. there is no I - V modulation or I - V modulation, there is just modulation

>This except the exact opposite, you fucking retard

You can learn to be a bad composer?

What's impressive about it is the rythym used and when the modulation occurs and how it's used with the melody.

>your own piano video

How many marijuanas did you inject?

>he's never heard of the "V of V"

Well I guess I will never find out because I'm not going to listen to it.

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>the V of V

is a subdominant, not a modulation

holy fuck it's not that hard to understand. modulation is CHANGING KEY MID-SONG

How about pic related? Not to mention he drove gay Schumann mad with lust.

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sorry meant **secondary dominant

that guy is ugly too

No. I didn't say it was the magic note that goes with every chord. I said its the note that feels most resolved. He's not really wrong that D fits the first song but its irrelevant. The whole tonic triad will naturally fit the song. The first song is in G minor. I have no idea what the retards in the comments section are saying its Bb major for. Even babies can hear chord quality.

Agreed, he thought no one would reply if he ended a comment with "out", but people kept goading him on the topic and he started to larp as a rando defending himself. "My music's good because I say it is...but I won't post it".
Absolute unit.

*Modern Jazz player.

Pffft! Oxymoron! Jazz died in the 60's.

Fuck, this is bad. I actually liked this.

it's in E, you dumbasses.

What the fuck do you mean by big break? Do you mean, why is he not getting gigs with all the top jazz players in NYC? Well the answer is he's not good enough. Compare him to a modern jazz electric bassist like Hadrien Feraud. Miles apart. The level of musicianship in jazz is incredibly high.

But regardless, the guy is a pro musician in NYC. He's fucking made it man. That is every jazz college students dream, to just be able to get by playing music professionally, and not be stuck in poverty working shit min wage jobs. You fucking autists really have no fucking clue do you?

This.

>Hadrien Feraud
Does this guy actually play with anyone that's cool or is it just cringecore?

Check his wikipedia dummy. He's played with all sorts of major jazz guys. I first found out about him on Chick Corea's 2013 album The Vigil. Great album btw.
Not sure what you mean by cringecore, but he plays strictly jazz.
Anyway, he's just an example of what a really fucking good jazz bassist sounds like.

shut up adam

NYC is like a mecca of live music, jazz in particular. Anyone who can make it there is going to be pretty content with how their career has turned out.

Chick Corea is cringecore, I guess myimpression of this Feraud character as some cringe fusion guy was correct. Shame there are literally zero electric bassists not playing cringecore.