So yesterday I posted my first flowchart about the history of western music. Some kind anons told me that it would look better if it was more clean, so I made a new version that looks a lot cleaner.
So yesterday I posted my first flowchart about the history of western music...
Camden Johnson
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Grayson Torres
Like that's cool and all but that's still consfusing as fuck my dude, I don't even know where the lines are supposed to connect
Zachary Sullivan
The lines connect to the boxes, there's no way to have a single direction of flow with this many boxes, so you kinda have to follow a single strand.
Jason Walker
you mean history of american music? why is classical one genre?
Aiden Perry
It only encompasses the 20th to 21st centuries, should have specified that, sorry.
Brayden Davis
can you make the lines smaller please?
Adam Jones
isn't psychobilly basically just rev horton heat. why even include that. also this chart would make a lot more sense if it was organized vertically (like a family tree or something) rather than horizontally
Connor Young
Mostly because I like the genre.
Noah Harris
why are there no acoustic blues? why so many country genres while practically none blues genres?
Jayden Perry
I like it, I'm actually doing something similar in my free time, with the end goal of defining the origin of every genre. I've probably added a similar amount of genres to it as you at this point though.
ps. you should consider using yEd. it's free as in freedom and it's got a very neat autosorting feature.
pps. after I started, I realized there's already a site that had our genius idea musicmap.info
Brandon Bailey
oh also, after a quick glance. I'd say black metal is inspired by thrash and speed metal and not death metal.
David Phillips
A lot of things are wrong here. First of all, jazz did not develop out of ragtime, and ragtime had nothing to do with blues. It also looks like you are saying synthpop > EDM > HI-NRG > House > Techno which is all entirely wrong.
I could post my own tree on the evolution of music genres, just wait until. I get home and I will post it.
Jack Perry
The more I look at the chart the worse it is. Big band predates rhythm & blues, rock and roll developed independently from western swing, rockabilly under country is wrong (even though it was an influence), IDM > Drum and Bass > 2-Step is super wrong as well.
Gabriel Long
Ska did not evolve from Jamaican Folk music, it evolved from rhythm & blues.
Drone music did not evolve from electronic music.
Adam Jones
not OP but how is jazz not just a lovechild of european classical music and ragtime?
Adrian Cox
Because the first jazz bands were based on marching bands (with no pianos). It was only later that the ragtime influence would appear in jazz.
Christian Fisher
Yes we get it, you made your own chart. Please don’t post that retarded chart of albums you made
Robert Green
Not the same thing. The chart was based on a genre tree like the one from the OP, but much more accurate and with almost a thousand genres.
Josiah Myers
>avant math god
>femboys of rym
Isaiah Thompson
>the first jazz bands were based on marching bands
I'm pretty sure you've got that wrong, ragtime is almost quite literally just syncopated marching music
suck my dick fag, at least there's a music discussion going on.
I'd be interested to see that chart. I could actually post mine in a few hours when I get home from work
Leo Kelly
It's not. There are testimonies from before jazz was recorded that makes the claim that the earliest jazz bands were marching bands who improvised.
The chart and the tree are different things. The chart is based on the tree, but I haven't made public the genre tree yet.
Here is the chart btw Absolutely based.
Austin Lewis
James Morales
I didn’t say it was the same thing, I said don’t post your retarded chart of albums. Do you even read the posts you respond to?
Josiah Myers
> There are testimonies from before jazz was recorded that makes the claim that the earliest jazz bands were marching bands who improvised.
sounds like attention seekers trying to take credit for something they didn't create
Cooper Gomez
Sure, that's why I made the clarification, because your post seemed to imply that without explicitly saying so.
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Brandon Gomez
>?
>"pfff, jazz. yeah, me and my friends totally invented it and the niggers copied it from us. even though there are no recordings or evidence of it"
it is at least a plausable scenario to me
Gabriel Flores
The testimonies are from the time before jazz was recorded, and I didn't say anything about race, so what are you implying here?
Joseph Watson
Bump
Henry Sanders
Nice chart user, well done. The colours make it easy to understand.
Luis Stewart
what I'm saying is pretty much everybody agrees that jazz came from ragtime and classical. this claim that some marching band players created jazz sounds like some completely unsupported claim with no proof that nobody supports except the guy who made the claim (and some tripfag on Yea Forums)
Josiah Sanchez
>what I'm saying is pretty much that the uneducated masses on Yea Forums agree that jazz came from ragtime and classical
Yeah, I agree with that, but who cares about what the uneducated masses think?
>this claim that some marching band players created jazz sounds like some completely unsupported claim with no proof that nobody supports except the guy who made the claim (and some tripfag on Yea Forums)
Sources:
>Sablosky: jazz started as "hot" improvised sessions of hymns, marches, waltzes, and mazurka
>Ortiz Oderigo (based on James Monroe Trotter and Rudi Blesh): the marching bands that would go on to become the basis of jazz already existed during the 1870s
>W. C. Handy: jazz was already a thing by 1905
>a lot of jazz artists: Buddy Bolden was the first jazz artist (formed the first jazz band in 1895 after having been part of various marching bands).
Also
>everybody agrees that jazz came from ragtime and classical
The opinion that jazz came from blues and ragtime is much more popular anyways (but still wrong).