I went to see Bruckner 6 twice this season and both times I had annoying seat neighbors keep distracting me from the music. Who takes little kids to the concert hall? I cried inside that I wasn't able to fully enjoy this beautiful music. Terry Davis wrote Temple OS to communicate with God and Bruckner wrote music to talk to God.
I tried pushing Brahms into this board sometime late 2018 and no one have half a shit. Glad to see there's some Brahmpreciation going on right now youtube.com/watch?v=m3dxPARVcH0
Xavier Howard
Even his incomplete one is pretty fucking good
Sebastian Torres
you are mixing up Schumann and Schubert again
Henry Thompson
Schumann and Brahms are currently maybe not my favourite composers, but the ones who've caught my attention the most. I was already very familiar with Brahms oeuvre and am just now exploring Schumann after he was the theme of a previous general, but boy am I having fun.
I've heard 2, 5 and 4 more than the others. I think 2nd is pretty good.
William Kelly
Symphony No. 7
Chase Murphy
Thank you, good sir. Any particular recordings?
Owen Gomez
friendly reminder to ignore posters that do not sing/play an instrument classically
Liam Ramirez
what about posters who do play an instrument but are too lazy to practice their new piece so they are on Yea Forums pretending they are being productive?
Lucas Evans
What about posters who don't even listen to music but are just here to make gusic threads?
The 41 is vastly superior. The andante of the symphony 40 is remarkably unimpressive, plus the finale doesn't compete with the contrapuntal intricacy of the Jupiter symphony
Benjamin Johnson
>The andante of the symphony 40 is remarkably unimpressive Fuck you, that andante is romantic and beautiful af
Cooper Gomez
Stop having opinions.
Julian Moore
One was a normal subscription concert of the local orchestra, I just dress normally in a comfy sweater, some other Yuppies wear shirts or polos, most older people are still dressed in suits, a lot of boomers don't wear ties anymore. You can never be too overdressed, but I feel comfortable in a sweater. The other concert was part of a festival with a guest orchestra, so I wore a suit with tie. It doesn't even have a dress-code anymore or they surely don't enforce it. I saw some Asians wearing really ugly street clothes.
Beethoven's 9th is alright until the finale which is just embarrassing
Cameron Bennett
>alright >the finale [...]embarrassing How much of an edgy contrarian...
Charles Young
not all mozart is entry-level the typical pattern for pianists is to deride mozart as simple when they're young and realize how good it really is when they are old and wise
Jackson Wright
he used to be a revolutionary until the top 10 anime betrayal of Napoleon. And what was Beethoven's answer? Some general hippie message in the last movement while accepting the restoration of monarchy.
Henry Moore
>typical pattern for pianists is to deride mozart as simple when they're young and realize how good it really is when they are old and wise HAHAHAHAHAHaha
Probably von bingen. Hopefully she didn't have too stank of a medieval nun pussy tho
Gabriel Cruz
>politics affects quality of music music's not for you
Jace Cruz
Gould died too early to become wise
Levi Jackson
but music was often influenced by politics. Since we are on the topic of beethoven, what about his 5th piano concerto? You want to tell me this is not political?
Cameron Morris
Beethoven was also influenced by the shits he took, that doesn't mean his fossilized sewage is a natural lens for his art
Landon Stewart
Mozart died too late
Jose White
It absolutely does. Music doesn't exist in a vacuum when you're not trying to make Absolute music. And Beethoven wasn't, since he had a text with a specific clear message in the final movement of the 9th. And that text is gay as fuck
Xavier Morales
Your originality is the clearest indication of your quality as a critic.
Benjamin Wilson
Doesn't matter, the politics around it doesn't make that symphony any less perfect. And really how can the lyrics even begin to matter? They sing hippie bullshit but it's a beautiful musical act. They might be singing gibberish for all I care and the music would not suffer. Politics do not affect the quality of music.
Jose Hughes
lol, Lully had the monopoly on music in France until he stabbed his own foot and died from the infection. Soviet composers had to write in an understandable style or they faced to be banned to Siberia. Nazi government made a list of rules what could and couldn't be used for composing music. Censors of a lot of European governments controlled the libretti of operas and oftentimes demanded changes.
Josiah Rogers
>And really how can the lyrics even begin to matter? Art isn't for you
Carter Butler
I know that politics alter or altogether suppress the liberty of composers, my point is that ONCE the piece is done, politics do not dictate whether it's good or bad. Music stands for itself once it is created, even if other aspects alter the gestation itself. That symphony might have come out differently had Beethoven not been politically involved, but as it stands, politcs don't make it any less perfect. Fuck off, go read a poem.
Joshua Morgan
The only people who could arrive at such a conclusion as "Mozart was entry-level" are the kinds of people who judge everything based on how high the numbers are. >how many fugatos he could cram into a single piece >how many modulations he mustered in the developments >how big and epic the orchestral scoring is >how many variations on the theme he pulled out >how long he drew his dissonances out without resolving None of these are viable assessments for how good a piece of music is.
Josiah Clark
it's funny how this general sometimes acts as if what's said here is going to rewrite history or change the opinions of anyone whose opinions matter
Joseph Collins
>change the opinions of anyone whose opinions matter It's interesting to us, therefore it matters to us. We have absolutely no grand delusions concerning our irrelevance in history, we're on a bloody anonymous anime imageboard for God's sakes
Hunter Campbell
>We have absolutely no grand delusions concerning our irrelevance in history
I think the universal meaning of entry-level is something essential, famous and accesible Mozart is all of this Maybe we should stop using terms like these "entry-level exit-level" It gets blurry and its very reddit anyway
Matthew Edwards
The motives don't have to match up with the benefits, faggot Everyone knows we only post here because we can't stand the thought of other people having unwarranted wrong opinions. But the upside is we occasionally get some interesting discussion to read through, and interesting music to listen to.
Leo Perry
but then what buzzords would we use to demonstrate our superioirty and deride other posters?
Adrian Cruz
>The motives don't have to match up with the benefits, faggot I didn't even imply that, lol, all I said is that the more seriously you take your opinions (by the by, by their very nature, all opinions are unwarranted, "wrong" or not) the more hilarious you all are. I'm not even telling you to stop, I mean, you're hilarious. Now post music, cockholster youtube.com/watch?v=wckEFGK2q1s
Aiden Scott
The classic pleb-patrician of course
Wyatt James
goddamn I love that piece, the best thing to come out of the SVS who would have thought that atonality/dodecaphonism/serialism etc could be so emotional
Kayden Reed
Don't you mean that only people that DON'T think mozart was entry level would think this way? The only way you'd think Mozart ISN'T entry-level is if you judge music by big numbers, "how many fugatos he could cram into a single piece" "how many modulations he mustered in the developments" etc. None of which are an assessment to how good a piece is, all of which are precisely what's used by Mozartfags to praise him
Bentley Davis
How about we don't do that
Chase Sullivan
What would the fucking point be then; looking at the state of the general and judging by its content, that's 2/3rds of its raison d'être
Joseph Phillips
>What would the fucking point be then The remaining 1/3rd
Isaac Robinson
boring people?
Elijah Turner
To talk about classical music, theory, and find new music
Thomas Ward
Here?? ludicrous. Inconcievable.
Joseph Allen
Because I've never heard of this nonentity before.
cuz he left the eighth unfinished in order to finish his ninth? A composed rarely waits until one work is done and published before beginning work on another, with a few notable exceptions
Carter Ramirez
stop talking to yourself.
Christian Cruz
I figured opuses we're catalogued by date of completion.
Nicholas Scott
>, all of which are precisely what's used by Mozartfags to praise him Nice strawman. The best quality of Mozart is his phrasing, the way any one of his pieces seems to spin out from its thematic material as naturally as breathing.
Jordan Gomez
i remember someone from here wrote a fanfiction about that... good 'ol times
Stop using the old numbering system for Schubert. There is no 9th symphony.
Elijah Garcia
Rarely. Sometimes it's by the date the composer begun the work, sometimes by date of publication, sometimes the opus number is changed on further revisions, sometimes it's aboslutely random.
There is absolutely no inherent reason why music and poetry shouldn't go together, and why when they do go together (like in Beethoven's 9th) the poetry part of it should be disregarded like you want Beethoven picked lyrics for a reason
>There is absolutely no inherent reason why music and poetry shouldn't go together There's no inherent reason why they should, either, but music will continue to be music without lyrics, and lyrics without music exists as poetry. All this sounds obvious, but then agian I'm not the only one implying that if you don't care about lyrics "art is not for you hurhurhur". Music can do, and can do very well, without words.
I know this isn't classical music, but I figure this would be the best place to ask since it isn't big enough to make a thread about it. Could any of you recommend me some artists who make music similar to youtu.be/7HKbmqfl5VM ? It sounds like some typical 90s movie intro but that's all I can say about. And no, I don't like Mac Miller. Just thought that intro was very pretty.
Hunter Adams
>I know this isn't classical music stopped reading
Oliver Miller
Welp, Mahler just came on the radio. Guess its beddiebyes for me frens.
Do it for the money-- there's no other reason to do it anymore. Compose shitty poppy soundtracks for shit films like pirates of the caribean. Otherwise don't even bother.
What do you guys recommend? I need something that's completely entry level.
Hudson Stewart
Buy early haydn sonatas and struggle through it like a frenchman trying to read an english newspaper. The fastest way to learn is throwing yourself into the deep end. Oh, and make sure you sit straight, shoulders relaxed, fingers curved naturally, forearms parallel to the ground. The rest is in the practice.
Adam Gonzalez
a teacher
Logan Kelly
no one likes the menuets
Kayden Johnson
You might be fucking with me, but I might just go ahead and pull a david and goliath on this shit.
>took this to my teacher today expecting her to tell me you could play this in a few months or so >told me i could play this now after i finish beethoven sonatina in f major
i'm still somewhat new to piano, and ill try to transcribe robert levin's version too
Robert Clark
I simultaneously love and hate that some composers (Mozart, Schubert, Haydn et al) have such a fucking vast oeuvre. Seems like if you want to dedicate yourself to listening to these people's works you have to forsake everything else.
Brayden Brown
Its simple, I just avoid anything with a sub300 K number.
yeah but after you listen to the 7th haydn sonata in a row and realise it's still boring, it's safe to stop there without worrying about the rest. On the other hand, if you're listening to some composer's works and loving every piece, you should be happy that they wrote so much. If it's a chore to work through a listen to, then stop; otherwise, keep going with pleasure.
was going to try and make a post complaining about how Haydn is boring but this sonata I'm listening to is pretty good youtube.com/watch?v=4ruKPCmWNEI
Jordan Cruz
It's not so much a chore as a matter of time and space, so to speak
Jordan Walker
it was just called "sonata" and then everyone ripped the structure off and called it their "sonata", I think it was written by some monk in the 1430s by the name of Stultus Questione or something like that
Connor Davis
Of course. But don't forget, once you finally do reach the last of a composers works, especially if it's a composer you really like, it's actually quite a sad and disappointing moment. There'll be nothing new from them, no more unheard works to explore anymore. Cherish the journey while you still can.
Liam Hall
but I'm sort of a completionist, which is why my favourite composers are people who left behind only, like, 20-40 hours of music, they give rest to my neurosis
If you like that sort of thing, you could always listen to the complete String Quartets of X composer, or the complete Violin works of Y composer; that might give you a similar satisfaction without the daunting undertaking of hundreds of hours of music.
Gavin Turner
Yeah. For example, he could listen to the complete Bach cantatas.
Ryan Myers
BUT I NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE OTHER STUFF SOUNDS LIKE Fuck it, I'll just get two or three external drives and dedicate the next ten years of my life to listening to those composers and nothing else. Then I shall promptly collapse and die, my last words a mumbled medley of whatever melody I can still recall in my dehidrated, obsessed crazed state. Surely there are worse ways to die.
Ian Parker
I'm happy for you and glad you've found purpose in life, user.
Evan King
yeah, well, first I'll explore more compact composers, something I can listen to in a month or two going one hour per day
Justin Taylor
Why did you just make a bunch of shit up?
Ian Davis
lol
Tyler Bailey
because it was a stultus quaestione
Cooper Roberts
your mom is a stultus quaesstione. For instance, why did she have you?
Kayden Martin
S E E T H I N G
Daniel Lee
and the questionnes just keep piling up.
Cooper Lee
shhh it'll be alright
Nolan Clark
quite epic
Mason Gonzalez
ebin*
Owen Smith
Not him, but what is stupid about asking what the first piece to feature sonata form is?
Not him but I like asking things here more than looking for them myself
Carter Brooks
Not him but I like cocks in and around my mouth and asshole btw
Parker Perez
that's fine when looking for opinions, guidance, *short* explanations and the like, but you can't come here and demand a brief history lesson on a rather complicated topic, otherwise you get the shameful chain of idiocy you got
Carter Davis
That's fine whenever actually. And he didn't exactly demand a brief history lesson
>I don't get what it is you don't get. Is this some sort of joke about classical forms being too "classical" or what? I might just be retarded. But I posted initially because I'm used to Mozart being a lot more succinct, and not so regular and symmetrical as this.
I didn't post that (and didn't realise there was a trio amongst the links) but the guy piqued my interest and looked him up and it seemed like it was all piano
Michael Richardson
literally WHO are these Scriabin wannabes?
Caleb Rogers
youtube.com/watch?v=e3ZFE86QShA i dont care if this piece is a meme its still great. messiaen was great when he wrote consonant sounding things
>literally WHO are these Scriabin wannabes? these guys sound nothing like post sonata 5 scriabin lol
He does that a lot in his chamber music, actually. A theme in, say, his Trio for Piano, Clarinet and Viola will get bounced around by any of these three instruments, or he'll pull an older theme and have it be played by someone else as a counterpoint.
Ryan Taylor
>post sonata 5 scriabin id est, the bulk of his work >i dont care if this piece is a meme who says it's a meme?
Justin Butler
>who says it's a meme? its popular and its tonal. there are bound to be people calling it a meme
William Cruz
>its popular and its tonal So are most of the greatest works of all time. I'll accept someone calling Stockhausen a meme, but for fuck's sake, that's one of the best chamber works of the XXth century
Logan Reyes
>its popular and its tonal. I tought that atonal music was supposed to be the "meme".
what are you instrument playing lads learning? for me, its the tempest sonata, im having a ball of a time. not sure where I should go next though, the piece I want to play more than anything is at least the arietta of the 32nd sonata but Im not sure if I am technically ready youtube.com/watch?v=qMTYRi7-sPI
Lucas Jenkins
Tears of St Peter, I've only seen it live so I can't give CD recs
Leo Bennett
i quit playing classical guitar a few months ago. im a meal fag now. not really learning anything in particular working on my writing and technique.
Leo James
god i hate those 2setviolin chinks
James Wilson
Beethoven No. 28 Beethoven No. 29 Beethoven No. 30 Beethoven No. 31 Beethoven No. 32
Gabriel Bell
based retard
Nolan Thomas
>he thinks "sonata" is some sort of universal and historically consistent term
>post medtner Here we go youtu.be/F3AGC6YPwX4 I can't get the theme out of my head
Medtner is much more contrapuntual than Scriabin and Medtner never wanted to leave tonality even though he sometimes sounds like he's about to break it
Oh well. Have a listen to Franz Schmidt's opera Notre-Dame. It's pretty underrated, as is Schmidt as a composer more generally. youtube.com/watch?v=gaqpv8mSX90
what's your problem with people like Stockhausen, Xenakis and Berio my dudes? It's not common practice but that doesn't mean it's not good, interesting academic music
Adrian King
pfffft, never have I heard such a copout. I bet you think these turds have merit too.
No, I have yet to fall for the jewmerican meme, but that doesn't mean the previously mentioned composers aren't good
Adam Garcia
>21 reproductions
Charles Clark
It's coincidence that the notre dame is burning right now?
Kevin Lewis
What is good about them? Berio has a piece where a clown stumbles around on a stage producing random noises on a trombone, Stockhausen has a piece where the players walk around and go under a canopy. And as we've already established, Xenakis labors under the delusion that harmony can be replaced by clusters centered around one particular note or another. All of this is just as gimmicky nonsense as the Jewyork school produced. I'll grant that Berio's Sinfonia is an interesting and provocative work but not exactly a masterpiece beyond its outright plundering of other pieces.
Thomas Jackson
>All of this is just as gimmicky nonsense nice O P I N I O N
Lincoln Reyes
Nice
R E D D I T S P A C I N G
Benjamin Foster
>reddit invented spaces between letter for emphasis how new can you be
The real question is why are there no great Spanish composers in ever? For a Country known for possibly the greatest novelist and greatest painter of all time, their musical presence is virtually nonexistent.
Samuel Thomas
Berlioz is good
Luis King
I asked this a while back, and I was told it's because they have short winters and not enough frost.
Nathaniel Mitchell
New edition
Noah Peterson
>greatest novelist and greatest painter of all time
Literally whomst? They got nothing on my nigga Bosch.
His point, in case you missed it, was that in his opinion all three of those (not to mention people like Berlioz, Bizet, D'indy, Franck, etc) are shit. It's a retarded opinion and/or a weak troll, but here we are.
Hunter Sanders
Better question: Are there any good french composers after 1900 other than Messiaen?
Jayden Bell
Ravel
Oliver Scott
Ravel is born decades before Messiaen.
Christian Diaz
But composed music in the XX century
Colton Martinez
Yeah, I'm just ignoring his "point" to piss him off.
Chase Cook
But I meant composers who begun their careers after 1900
