Thoughts?

these niggas know marketing

let's just agree to say no to the industrial death machine, ok?

just because the far right and the far left both recognize that liberalism is a worthless joke doesn't mean they have even remotely compatible goals and motivations

Aight so capitalism is the common ground, now what, we doing fascism or communism?

Cringe and bluepilled

welcome my son welcome to the machine

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Growing up I always though that stuff like this was silly, no one's going to be bothered by slogans like this, it's not like anyone disagrees with them.
I was wrong. LOL @ right wingers, what pussies.

benis hog

based

There's absolutelynothing wrong with being liberal. If you still support Trump after everything that that's transpired in the past two years, then you're being willfully retarded and/or ignorant.

If people being born in a higher social caste than you investing their daddies money while you work for min wage isn't the definition of slavery I don't know what is. I bet you believe in free will too. No we are born poor and the upper class rules over us until we die. Social mobility and meritocracy is a meme. No amount of hard work can compare with small loan of a million dollars. Rightwing authoritarian is literally the definition of a cuck
>I need to lick these boots so I can get min wage payments and make upper class chad a whole lot of money it's just the way it is *slurps at boot* Yeah he doesn't lift a finger but it's his unearned investments *slurp*. Redistributing his wealth by force would be bad he gives us work
>nah you can't burn down the plantation massa gives us food and shelter and work!
Pathetic capitalcucks.
>If we invested in humanitarianism and wealth redistribution like think about the gdp chad mc money bank account will be slightly lower muh gdp!

>chad balls deep in ur oneitis because of superior social standing and you are min wage neet while he slays at uni on his daddies dime
>I'M NOT A CAPITALKEK I'M NOT A CAPITALKEK I DO IT SO CHAD MC MONEY BANK CAN FUCK MY ONEITIS GIVE ME MY 1500 DOLLARS A MONTH

holy based

I don't like communism though BUT BASED REGARDLESS

The far right and far left do not want the same things. Far right would be individualism to the extreme, a complete disavowal of government power. The left seeks to regulate and control everything it can centralize into government. Left = Big Government, Right = Individual Liberties. Authoritarians, Totalitarians, and Dictators can all suck a fat dick.

the amount of autism in this post is astounding. you're a faggot who thinks working for a living wage is slavery. what an entitled piece of shit you are lol. not everyone is living off of "daddy's money".

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What does Trump have to do with any of this?

>Far right would be individualism to the extreme, a complete disavowal of government power
Are you mental or just hopelessly American?

based politically illiterate imbecile

>CAPITALIST
>COMMUNIST
?

Huh?

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Nobody was bothered by it before because you weren't literally beating people in the streets based on their appearance.

why do polfags get so easily triggered

Maybe get a job that doesnt pay you minimum wage, like a skilled trade? Of course, that would require that you were capable of doing something other than complaining on Yea Forums

communism is state owned and controlled capitalism. If the state is benevolent everyone benefits and when malevolent everyone suffers.

> Far right would be individualism to the extreme, a complete disavowal of government power.
Wow. You're retarded.

>THEY'RE LITERALLY KILLING US BROS

Just Say Yes If Your Girlfriend Asks You If She Can Go To The Mall With Tyrone And His Friends

>this kills the triggered leftys and seething polfags

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Whew, I can't believe you bought into the propaganda. That is not the difference between right and left even slightly. The political compass has an x and a y axis.

It's not a horseshoe, it's a circle.

fuck off you center fencer sitting cuck.

She died of a heart attack you dumb fuck. Even if she had been hit by the car, it was her own fault and the way you keep milking it is embarrassing. Your side openly attacks people all day every day and thinks you are above criticism because the fatality count is low.

wow, opposing racism and genocide
what a bunch of libtard cuck snowflakes lol

They literally openly endorse both racism and genocide on a level no right-wingers could get away with and still be accepted in regular society.

i literally have no idea what youre talking about or what side youre defending

I agree

Exactly!

you dumb fucking retards getting mad at centrists as if they dont have an opinion on anything

they do have opinions on stuff
just all of their opinions are shit

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wrong

Basically right-libertarian, which is based since it entrusts the people to be able to have complete autonomy over themselves instead of being regulated like children and tangled in the obstacles of bureaucracy. If mankind is to transcend its flawed nature it has to choose the virtuous way by themselves, or be forced by AI during the singularity, not by a system run by other flawed humans. Texas is one of the few places that partially puts this principle into practice.

>PICK YOUR SIDE AND FIGHT! FIGHT!!!!! what not now mom i'm busy

Sounds like a word salad of buzzwords to appeal to dumb lefties

How is that not the same as anarchism?

youre one to talk, arguing about politics on a music board.

Lie to yourself all you want, you're the one voting for it.

it's funny to me that commies are even more materialistic than capitalists.

I'm not wrong though. People always try to say Hitler was right wing when he pushed for more government regulation and power. Right wing is about decentralizing and lessening regulations and government power. Authoritarianism is exclusively a left wing thing. Sorry you leftists get so triggered when people call you out on your authoritarian horse shit "for the betterment of humanity".

Exactly, right-libertarian which is not the same as the right. Left-libertarians exist as well, they are all those people who call themselves classical liberals and are now confused because the left-authoritarians have taken over their party whereas just a short while ago the right-wing side was dominated by right-authoritarians.

Because there needs to be a justice system to handle crimes in which there is a victim. There should be no victimless crimes, since nothing done with consent should be illegal.

Communism operates as the worst form of capitalism, where the State has the monopoly of everything, even the lives of their citizens. They have much more common ground than most people would tend to believe.

no shit?
are you retarded or something?

Commies are spoiled entitled children who don't want to put effort into anything and won't actively fight against the system they claim to hate. They still want to buy the latest apple products (ironically enough with daddy's money that they so often bitch that right wingers have) and wear clothing that supports their "causes" and support films and media and all sorts of other materialistic horse shit that is made possible by capitalism. Communists are the ultimate hypocrites, the ultimate in disability and lack of success, and have no desire to work to provide for themselves. They see it as the governments duty to ensure they can survive.

dinesh d'souza pls go.

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You are explicitly wrong and you are wrong because you don't understand Hitler lived in Germany, not the US, and your country has a very skewed perspective on right and left compared to everyone else and you actively muddy the waters by pretending right and left are the only options.

No, liberalism is about 'decentralizing and lessening regulations and government power' and liberalism is not exclusively right wing.

Fascism is not right, left, or center. It is total.

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>Right wing is about decentralizing and lessening regulations and government power
Says you? You've been watching too many libertarian Youtube videos.

It would still have private ownership

Liberalism is not about those things you're thinking of liberatarianism. Liberalism is a Statist ideology.

It's not wrong you ruffle dick.

what font is used?

Or maybe you just don't understand that the horseshoe theory is a joke and that the desire for governmental control is ultimately a left wing principle. State provided welfare, healthcare, education, housing, food, etc. The further right you go the less and less of that you have because people on the right are against centralization and government over reach. This is why the Nazi party was never and could never have been right wing.

Then what is liberalism?

Liberalism still believes in the foundation of a government that should represent the people, supporting civil liberties, and basic rights but aims to achieve those through certain government regulations and protections.

Whenever I talk with communists, the more I realize how much they are like the deeply religious people in their creationist beliefs. They believe that every human life is important and sacred and deserves to be taken care of. At least religious people actually donate to charities and help people directly, but communists put that burden on other people.

Well, you can think it's right but it doesn't mean anything because there's no way to extrapolate it to the real world. Your definition of right and left is not the world's definition so it doesn't actually describe the people who would call themselves right or left. It's a useless exercise except in telling us why you identify as right. It doesn't mean anything about what right actually is.

Seeking to deregulate the markets and decentralize state power was the perogative of quite a number of influential intellectual movements before libertarianism was ever a thing, all of whom were (and are) described as 'liberal' because THAT IS what liberalism means

>claims to be anti-capitalist
>album costs 7$ on bancdamp and you can get a cd, vinyl and shirt too

>hurr durr

liberalism was initially just modern libertarianism before it was coopted by socialists.

>coopted by socialists
socialists hate liberals

yeah, but they knew no one would support and vote for them if they keep calling themselves socialists

Unfortunately it's always the same thing. Some of their ideas resonate with me but then they go full useful idiots when it comes to immigration, sexual deviance and identity politics in general. Like dude, how will forcing white people to become a minority in their own countries while pumping their kids full of McDonald's Boy2Girl KwikChange™ bring forth an egalitarian society?

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>98% of the posts in this thread
Go back to /pol/.

I don't think most of the people who post in this thread have even heard the album

>all those people who call themselves classical liberals and are now confused because the left-authoritarians have taken over their party
kill yourself dave rubin

most of the posts in this thread are made by women you raging sexist

The further right I go the more closely the ideology I encounter resembles that of pre-1800 European aristocracy - which makes sense, because that's what "right wing" is: A blanket term that encompasses all opinions opposite the progressivist "left-wing" political sphere that sees itself in the tradition of the french revolution. Being "right-wing" is not about being libertarian but about being reactionary.

>Far right would be individualism to the extreme, a complete disavowal of government power
>libertarianism
>far right
U wot m8? If anything far left would be direct democracy (which is bad because mob rule) while far right would be traditionalist monarchy (which is bad because monarchies always turn sour and ruin everything).

>tfw I’m capitalist but I put all my music out for free because it costs me nothing to make and the easy access helps me in the future when people want to pay money when I get an actual budget
Feels good.

good thing nobody is going to listen to it

theres literally nothing hypocritacal about this you dumb faggot

I got Yea Forums to listen to it and they liked it. Once my band’s album is done it’ll be the best DIY project since Edison’s home recordings.

>(which is bad because mob rule)
epic boomer take

yes there is. by recognizing that seeking profit is innate human nature that even communists succumb to, you basically refute the whole ideology. what makes you think these very same people won't use underhanded tactics to get the most bread for themselves while screwing everybody over? it already happened in USSR.

Mob rule is bad, Boomer take or not. People rapidly and vehemently pushing for policy change or social change through mob rule is deconstructive and harmful every time.

theres nothing wrong with getting compensated for your work in fact it is literraly the most basic principle of communism you deluded retard

Until the government comes to collect your profits for the Motherland.

>mob rule is good because I vote with the mob
I get you enjoy trampling over the rights of minorities, but at least try to think it through.

you are not compensated properly under communist rule
Either the government has enough omniscience and is able to track down every single facet of production and optimize prices of items and wages for each worker or your dollar becomes as worthless as a Venezuelan bolivar.

>communism
>government
i swear to g-d people on this website are retarded

Lol at centrists who actually believe this "theory.' If you can't discern the difference between communism and fascism you're just a fucking moron

At some point, both governments will start killing innocents who disagree with the way the government does things.

When did Yea Forums become /pol/? Why can't people just talk about music? The anime boards are the only ones left untainted by this shit.

>The anime boards are the only ones left untainted by this shit.
you would be surprised

there are 149 other music related threads
why are you so triggered by this one particular thread
hide and move on

Yea Forums or Yea Forums is not /pol/, if they were /pol/, everything /pol/ related would be agreed upon and it would just be everyone patting each other on the back...instead its a couple retards shilling their shit opinions and everyone making fun of them. Don't cry about them, just make fun of them

no, they just realize that its hypocritical as fuck to agree fully with one side because there is so much that a full conservative believes in that directly contradicts itself, like being of the christian faith yet being racist in any way

>left-wing capitalist
>capitalist communist
I know for a fact you're an american.

For faggots.

youre missing the entire point you dumb fuck

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I'm just gonna say it: Communism is based.

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yikes

Prove him wrong incel

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Thank you for saying what we're all thinking.
Yea Forums will always be leftist.

>album cover designed to ignite right-wing asses
>it does just that
Based

name a successful communist country

It's really fucking rich watching a bunch of leftie faggots decry capitalism, the system that's given them the ability to spread their asinine opinion on their thousand dollar smartphones or home computers. You'd starve under communism you fucking children

t. starbucks barista mad that he's not making more than minimum wage

This, the ones that feed capitalism call themselves "anti-capitalist"

Now name a capitalist country where millions of people aren't starving to death just to satisfy porky's blood lust.

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Ever stop to think why immigration OUT of the USSR was so prevalent, but emigration TO the USSR was so rare? Really makes you think.

how's it going for the USSR?

That just says more about how infantile the userbase here is and how little you understand about the real world than anything else. Makes sense given it's a music board and music is the refuge of worthless losers contributing 0 to society

>Asked to post a successful commie country
>And the commie posts a dead commie country
This has to be a troll

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It died because of a few rich and influential oligarchs. Russia is shit and most of the population want the USSR back.

Amazing, you can Google "Che Guevara" right now and there's a Fox News article from literally days ago seething about him. Over 50 years after his death.

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>Rome wasn't successful
>Prussia wasn't successful
>Spanish Empire wasn't successful
>British Empire wasn't successful
>USSR wasn't successful
okay

Nigger, you could have said China or North Korea, those are still standing, unlike the USSR

So you're basically saying Communism isn't feasible because human nature is inherently capitalist and people will innately strive to better themselves, even at the expense of others?

imagine being a big enough loser to try and debate online on a fucking anonymous imageboard.

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CIA did their best at subverting and destroying it. Reminder the people the USSR voted to maintain the USSR.

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imagine unironically identifying as left-leaning

their entire ethos is basically to tax those more successful than themselves to fund their hedonistic pursuits because they're too lazy or stupid to achieve anything on their own

>There's nothing wrong with either of those
Stop drinking sóy.

>"Do you consider necessary the preservation of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics as a renewed federation of equal sovereign republics in which the rights and freedom of an individual of any nationality will be fully guaranteed?"
>as a renewed federation
You are not making this easier for yourself, brainlet

That's some showcase of mental gymnastics, I'll give you that, bootlicker.

Get your head out of your ass, Amerimutt.

le left can't meme :^)

>calling someone a bootlicker while defending the USSR

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Not an argument

Not an argument

I don't like Russia in general, I'm only defending facts, the USSR was definitely more successful than not and their people know this in general. I guess not cocksucking everything that isn't American is unfathomable to you.

Not an argument

>music is the refuge of worthless losers contributing 0 to society
Actually, I am happily contributing to society's downfall. Fuck all plebs, we could've continued to live in the spirit of the baroque era but their children threw that legacy away.

>implying I like America aka Israel 2.0

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Sorry, I forgot what board I'm on. Carry on, retard.

>2019
>not a white/euro communist

>waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah everything in life is the fault of the baby boomers!

What's going on buddy? Your strawmans are not working anymore?

Commies get the bullet, faggot.

Facts don't care about your feelings, honey.

>a conspiracy theorist not seeing the irony of saying this to me
I said carry on, faggot.

Leftoids don't care about facts

>a conspiracy theorist
Jesus christ, haven't you run out of strawmans yet?

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Thanks for your opinion.

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Yelling "strawman" when it's obvious you're called on your bullshit is a shitty defensive mechanism, fella.

>Gets called out for using strawman
>Uses another strawman to refute him
wew lad

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Keep going then...

Stating facts about the USSR is somehow a strawman, cool.

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interesting timing

Based and Mao-pilled.

I too remember the glorious USSR that so many Western citizens were itching to immigrate to

What kind of boot is your favorite? Are there differences in texture and/or taste? Sincerely curious here.

>calls someone a bootlicker while defending the USSR
>calls someone a cocksucker for america
>calls someone a conspiracu theorist
>"I'm just stating facts about the USSR!!"

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Thats rich coming from a leftoid who identifies with a group that licks the boots of the largest corporations on earth

>facts
>Ackshually my 4th grade teacher told me gender is x and y chromosomes and I refuse to progress past this point.
>Black people look funny so they're a different race, just look at haplogroups and conveniently ignore all the work done by anthropologists in the last few decades.
>Trickle down economics will give me my Yang-bucks anyday now.
Right wingers are disgusting.

Lol, and what group and corporations may that be? Please do tell me oh vague sir boot.
And answer the fucking question: What. Kind. Of. Boot. And. Why.

>Yang
>Right-Wing
OH NO NO NO

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>Libertarian silicon valley 'entrepeneur' Yang is not right wing.
The absolute state of burgers, anything left of Sauron is left wing now.

dick = male
vagina = female

this isn't a difficult concept, please stop trying to actively degenerate society, thanks

all the leftist social media websites you love to suck off like they aren't multi-billion dollar corporations actively shaping a narrative and conversation so you faggots become complacent and totally cool with massive immigration (that large companies need) to support their fat profit margins and pay their slave wages to.

>we won't admit we were retards to vote for Trump, so...YAAANG GAANG

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again, I'm not a burger

>He fell for the astroturf
All politicians are shit, even Trump and Yang, I don't know why you are bringing trump here

Trump's been a great President and I'm looking forward to voting for him again in 2020 (and watching him win!)

>dick = male
>vagina = female
So once a trans person has surgery they become their perceived gender right? That IS the logical conclusion of what you just said.

Also you still have not told me what corporations I worship, please give me a name so I can at least confirm or deny.

And acknowledging the exploitation of immigrants is a left wing belief btw, welcome to the family, Conrad :).

>All politicians are shit actually, I'm above it all.

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>both preach violence
>both inevitably lead to autocratic totalitarianism

seem pretty similar to me

bad, watered down noise rock with a bait album cover.

No, you need to be born with them. A man who cuts his dick off is not nor ever will be a true woman. He will not possess a function uterus, he will never conceive life and carry it to term, and he will never get a regular period. He will forever dilate an open wound that society has convinced him is his "vagina" and he will invariably likely end up killing himself soon thereafter.

>And acknowledging the exploitation of immigrants is a left wing belief btw, welcome to the family, Conrad :).

Then stop advocating for ethnic replacement with a serf class of brown people that can be so easily exploited, you useful idiot

>implying Rome, Prussia and Britain here EVER communist
Nigger.

>an axe wound that needs to be constantly reopened is a vagina
>a piece of meat stitched to the crotch is a penis

>No, to be your gender you need to be born with these specific genatalia.
What if a man is born without a penis due to a birth defect? What gender is this man?
Anyway, I'm just entertaining this for shits and giggles since trans-deniers aren't arguing in good faith anyway. Consult some actual scholars on this topic instead of right wing ding dongs with computer science degrees on the interwebs.

>Then stop advocating for ethnic replacement with a serf class of brown people that can be so easily exploited, you useful idiot
The presence of these people is not the issue, the issue is with their exploitation as you yourself have admitted. To lay the blame with these people is downright retarded when the fault lies with the neoliberal elites.
Also: He believes the myth of white genocide. O I am laffin.

cia black sites and extrajudicial drone assassinations

>reading comprehension

The nature of the genatalia, born with them or operationaly made is not what is up for discussion here.
What is up for discussion is whether trans men are men and trans women are women. Scholars on the topic seem to think so. So why do you, the internet man, think you know better than people who study this shit for a living?

If you are implying those are all capitalist empires that failed you're fucking kidding yourself. The empires may not entirely exist anymore but the existence of these empires served to increase growth and economics of their home nations. Not a very good argument for "failures" of Capitalism.

So if I decide now that I'm a woman, you'll believe me?

yeah real comparable to the 100 million deaths under communism and 150,000 deaths under nazism

get real kid

he's defective, just like trannies are. The existence of mutations doesn't validate your idea that a man who chops his dick off is a woman. Luckily for me the vast majority of society will never validate this lunacy. The best you'll get is the fact that we allow you faggots to exist

>150,000 deaths under nazism

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Americans shouldn't be allowed to talk about politics. Also Chaudelande is a better album.

No, that is strawmanning what transgender men and women go through. The process of signalling and performative gender are a bit more complicated than that.
Maybe you'd known this if you actually read up on this stuff and/or talked to transgender people but you decided to ignore that in favor of 'trans women make me feel weird and I don't like it'.

Answer the question. What gender is the man born without a penis.

why are you assuming I'm a man?
I'm a woman, use well my pronouns, bigot

does she have a vagina?
what chromosomes does he have?

you said it yourself, a man. He would still have male chromosomes, much like a man who cuts off his dick and takes hormones

>talking to trannies

lol why the fuck would I ever do that

This is what you're resorting to now? Pretending like you're transgender in order to do what exactly? Make a fool out of yourself?

Bad faith 'trolling' in lieu of confronting the gaps in your own logic. Jezus Christ what a pathetic human being you are.
I didn't even use pronouns for that matter, tells a lot about your mental faculties. All that's needed now is an 'attack helicopter' meme and we've got all two jokes about trans people.

But you yourself said earlier that being a certain gender is defined by your genitals? So what is it that makes a man a man and vica versa?
This person is simply born without a peepee or a vagina, and lets say for the sake of argument that this person has xy chromosomes.

you haven't even asked my pronouns, what the fuck is wrong with you bigot?

>xy chromosomes
it's a man, see? it's not that hard

>What gender is the man
>What gender
>the man

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Okay, so do you do a DNA test on every person you meet on the street to tell their gender? Or are you perhaps not able to tell gender without seeing their birth certificate first?
How do you spot someone's chromosomes/gender (lets actually entertain for the sake of argument that these are identical) in normal, everyday interaction?

What I said was a simplification since the vast, vast majority of males are born with their penises intact. If you want to play semantic games and argue what gender men are that are born without penises, then you can look to their chromosomes which will identify them as men.

>inb4 hurr what about chromosomal abnormalities??

replace "no" with "yes" and you have me onboard

You're getting ahead of the argument being laid out here, we haven't gotten to gender as performance and social perception yet.

no, I DNA test the person that is born without genitals

I'm not talkin about chromosomal abnormalities. But that is an interesting one though that points out a massive flaw in your argument, thanks for bringing it forward Timmy, this will earn you extra marks on your final exam.

Respond to this first:

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Adress the matter in question here, how do you define the gender of someone walking down the street? You have no senses with which you can identify their chromosomes (or their genitalia when clothed for that matter). So what do you actually use to define whether someone is man or woman?

In case anyone is actually interested in music and likes Motorik Krautrock, check out their collaboration with White Hills. Pretty nice.
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I responded to this already

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You most certainly did not answer my question. Unless your answer is 'I DNA test the person born without genitals to see what the gender is of people I see walking down the street'.

>Okay, so do you do a DNA test on every person you meet on the street to tell their gender? Or are you perhaps not able to tell gender without seeing their birth certificate first?
How do you spot someone's chromosomes/gender (lets actually entertain for the sake of argument that these are identical) in normal, everyday interaction?

Why would I even care about this? All I'm saying is that just because you cut your dick off and take hormones, that doesn't make you a woman. Even if you manage to actually pass as one (which very, very few trannies ever do). The best you'll ever do is fool people until they actually get you naked and realize you're just a freak

So what you're saying is that you are unable to tell what someone's gender is without seeing their birth certificate?

uhhh... so is the album free?

I'm all for saying no but I don't think most of these folks think much about what's gonna replace it.

I'll just go ahead and ask this person their pronouns and sex, don't want to misgender them, brb

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Actually lets make this a bit more interesting since you refuse to adress my question (most likely because you realise that your 'argument' is full of holes). Say that technology has reached a point where trans women are completely indistinguishable from 'natural' women. Are trans women in this scenario real women or not?

what else do you suggest? i grew up poor and now make 500k a year running a meme start up with most of the work being directed to my IT enthusiast numale subordinates. why should i be buying any of your shit?

no because they lack the essence of a woman

Hello there person, yes, thank you, I identify as a japanese transwoman of color and go by the pronouns zhey and xhir

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You just told me that what defines someone's gender are their chromosomes, so wouldn't you need to in this case see their birth certificate to be able to verify their gender? Note that this situation only, logically may I add, arises out of the 'theory' you have proposed (namely gender=chromosomes).

What makes the 'essence' of a woman? Can this essence be verified? Is the essence the chromosomes or is it something else? Keep in mind our hypothetical future trans person is identical in every physical capacity.

You really believe yourself to be a master debater, don't you?

Excuse me, but I'm gender fluid and don't you fucking question my existence!

This depiction would clearly not be of a transwoman. This is the extent of right wing humor isn't it? And they're saying the left can't meme, Jezus fucking Christ.

Please answer the question. And I am merely trying to get at what is at the core of your belief system. I think it's brain worms but maybe you'll surprise me.

>This depiction would clearly not be of a transwoman
woah there, aren't you assuming their sex here?

Nope

nothing makes the "essence," it simply is

>And I am merely trying to get at what is at the core of your belief system
I'm sorry I can't compete with someone with such and intellect

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No because they don't posess a functioning uterus that can actually concieve and carry a child to term, you fucking brainlet

You're the one with an argument full of holes if you have to constantly pull these hypotheticals out of your ass which have no application in the real world (not to mention not even addressing my argument in the slightest)

Needs to be said...

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>And I am merely trying to get at what is at the core of your belief system

Cutting off your genitals and taking hormones doesn't change your gender, no matter how much society says otherwise

It's a drawing you inbred. Also: please swith up the 'trans memes' you only have 'assume their gender', 'lel pronouns' and 'attack helicopter'.
So you're admitting you're pulling shit out of your arse here? You say what makes someone a man or a woman is their 'essence' and then say that this 'essence' has no properties and is as thus nothing.

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Whats the guy on the 2nd panel

look, you tried to tell me that I couldn't tell someone's gender without asking and here you are assuming the person's sex and pronouns.
Not a good look comrade.

Leftists aren't anti capitalism.
The few genuine economic leftists that remain and ostracized my the modern left and pushed aside in favor of progressive stack identity politics

Capitalism is REQUIRED for progressive goals (eg gay pride, trans shit, immigration)
t. socialist turned fascist

>do as i say not as i do

Based and commiepilled

You keep citing your scholars and books like they somehow logically or scientifically dispute biology. Shut up. No one needs to read gender theory. Man and woman. That's it. Here's my theory: transgender people suffer from gender dysphoria among other mental illnesses. How's that, faggot?

>counting in ww2 deaths as deaths by capitalism/imperial
So you agree that WW2 was an unneeded unnecessary conflict and if imperialist nations like Britan didn't intervene by pushing for war with Germany (For the sake of profiting off of it) we would be living in a better world today.
Glad we agree.

I just got owned here, please admit that you have no arguments more obviously please.
If a woman enters the menopause she becomes a man? Or would someone born with xx chromosomes but without a uterus be a genderless person?
Are you abandoning your chromosomes=gender argument here btw? I'm confused.

And the reason I use hypotheticals is to get at what you think constitutes gender.
And my question of how you define the gender of someone walking down the street when your only two 'arguments' thus far have been: A woman is a woman because of her uterus (and god knows what makes a man a man) and gender is defined by someone's chromosomes. Neither of these two things can be verified just by seeing someone walk up and down the street. Yet I am sure that you gender the people that walk down the street on the regular. Am I wrong here?

>Cutting off your genitals and taking hormones doesn't change your gender
Okay, not an argument I made but please tell me, what actually does? And please argue for it instead of saying that what you are saying is true because it is.

n-n-n-n-not real capitalism

>Fascism is anti-capitalism
Yeah, you keep on believing that chud.

holy fucking based

you don't become anything, you simply are

But amongst these scholars are actual biologists, how do you refute this? And not all transgender people actually suffer from gender dysphoria, or any possible other mental illnesses for that matter.

So now you are again coming at the 'essence' argument which we have allready concluded is not actually something that has any properties.
And since an object must have some sort of property that it projects unto reality we can say that essence as you have defined it does not exist.

Horseshit. If they're biologists they started writing about gender theory because actual biologists laughed them out of the profession.

you need to have serious mental problems to be a tranny so you're literally wrong, there are simply diagnosed trannies and undiagnosed ones

I never said anything about "essence", are you fucking retarded?

Not to even mention that you do not tell what causes something or someone to be. Unless you consider someone's gender a universal constant that transcends even someone's material existence.

XY chromosome = male
XX chromosome = female
anything else = mutation

this can't be changed by cutting off your dick or wearing a wig. The fact that men can look like women or vice versa has no impact on this, but you already know that and just want to go on tangents. You can argue your lunacy all you want, I'll never buy your bullshit, and neither will most of society. Thank god the massive suicide rate makes this a largely self-correcting problem

>it's true because these "academics" said so

top kek

It's more anti-capitalist than WOKE neoliberalism LARPing as if it's fighting against anything significant.

So now you are saying that biologists who acknowledge trans people in their work and through their work are not actually biologists? Seems hard to believe, would it perhaps be that you care more about feelings than facts here?
Citation needed
I thought you were another user who is equally retarded to you, my apologies

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>le citation meme

have sex, incel

Easiest way to spot a chapo basedboy is when they use the word chud, so fucking lame, we cant be too offensive!

>I thought you were another user
And again, fucking assuming again, I'm tired of your bullshit, racist bigot

>Unless you consider someone's gender a universal constant that transcends even someone's material existence.

it is. the biological female is predicated upon the platonic form of the feminine, dummy.

But then how do you gender people walking down the street? Do you know the genetic makeup of these people just by looking? Can you tell them if they have an increased risk of early onset alzheimers? Quite a usefull ability I must imagine. But lets pretend that you do not have this ability: How would this regular, non-DNA seeing person be able to gender a person walking down the street?

Present me "facts" of multiple different genders existing within biology. Kleinfelters doesn't count.

I'm not sure if you're actually retarded or just arguing in bad faith here.
But then tell me, neo-platonist friend, if a person performs womenhood exactly and she is unable to be distinguished from a 'natural' woman, is she not participating in the platonic feminine form? Keep in mind that this IS the conclusion of what you are saying here.

considering that chud means subhuman it's pretty offensive.

Gee, I wonder what this person identifies as

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Both of us acknowledge that there are men and women, those are two genders. Thus there are multiple genders.
If you are talking about more than two however: that is not an argument being made here, nobody is talking about intersex or non-binary people or whatever here.

The entirety of gender identity and 'proof' of transgenderism is based off of a failed experiment conducted by pic related where they tried raising a baby boy with accidentally mutilated genitals (from failed circumcision) as a girl alongside his twin brother.

The study was hailed as a success in the early years and Dr. John Money received mainstream praise for pioneering the study of gender identity.
But the child found out the truth about himself in his teens and desperately tried to transition back to a male his entire adult life, and then eventually committed suicide because of the psychological trauma of what was done to him.
youtube.com/watch?v=SLFGMWoQaCU

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Lets say for the sake of argument that this is an actual person and not a drawing, what are these person's chromosomes? Can you tell just by looking? No, you cannot and if you are to say that you are able to then you are arguing in bad faith and undermining your 'chromosomes=gender' argument at the same time.

>would this regular, non-DNA seeing person be able to gender a person walking down the street?
Would you come ask this person for their pronouns?

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>But then how do you gender people walking down the street?

Based on whether they look like men or women, you fucking retard. Just because I likely get some wrong on a daily basis because the tranny or whatever it is passes for the gender it isn't, doesn't validate them as the gender they're pretending to be.

>Do you know the genetic makeup of these people just by looking?

No and I don't purport to

by the way nothing you're saying addresses my point, which is typical of leftoid "logic"

A case study with a single patient as conclusive proof to fit your theory? This is not even inductive reasoning anymore, this is pathology.
You do know there are more than one transgender people in this world, yes?

Let's say there was a white person with very convincing blackface on his entire body

How would you know he's actually white?

>But then tell me, neo-platonist friend, if a person performs womenhood exactly and she is unable to be distinguished from a 'natural' woman, is she not participating in the platonic feminine form? Keep in mind that this IS the conclusion of what you are saying here.

womanhood is not a performance act, brainlet. it's ordained by god.

It was seemingly conclusive proof to fit YOUR theory.
I'm just talking about the unethical origins which form the basis of gender theory.

No, but I am not the person who identifies gender as chromosomal makeup so I have no need to do this to be able to see that this is plainly a man.
I do not need to check someone's chromosomes because that is not the definition of gender I subscribe to.
But this challenges your whole idea of gender as chromosomal makeup. Are you not able to see this?

Lets say for the sake of argument that Ernest Khalimov does in fact exist, do you really have no idea if he has XX or XY chromosomes?

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>You do know there are more than one transgender people in this world, yes?

Yeah, I know mental illness is rampant. It's a shame society pressures these people into permanently mutilating their bodies

Race is not real so if someone is actually permanently black and performs this then yes, this person is black.
Nice meme my dude.
So because initial research was performed unethically the entire field is worthless? Somebody better inform all doctors that they are acting unethically.

>But this challenges your whole idea of gender as chromosomal makeup

How does me not always 100% being able to identify a true male or female walking down the street refute my point that maleness or femaleness comes from ones chromosomes? You can't see fucking chromosomes, so it's obvious that you shouldn't be 100% able to identify all males as males and females as females. Especially when the mentally ill subset of them deliberately attempts to look like the other gender despite not ACTUALLY being that gender

>this is plainly a man
Lets just say for the sake of argument that you are assuming this person's sex, aren't you a bigot?

If I do x to make myself look convincingly like y on the surface, how am I any different than y?

That's the entire basis of your argument besides feels over reals

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>Race is not real

So why do some races commit a disproportionate amount of violent crime?

getting compensated for your work is the most important part about communism you utter retard

there is more evidence of the existence of god than there is evidence that being a tranny isnt a mental illness in itself

except those who are wealthy, fuck them let's take their shit!

I am unable to say this just by looking, I can say that this person is likely to be male since only a very small portion of all men are trans but this does not mean I can say this with certainty. Inductive arguments for gender=chromosomes only work if transpeople don't exist.

Okay, doesn't change the fact that you can't use inductive reasoning based on a single case study on one single patient.

stop it right there goyim!

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>Listen, just because gender theory is based off of a horrific failed sexual experiment that ended with the 'successful' subject killing himself doesn't mean you should discard the research, trust me it's legit.

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If race isn't real, how do we decide who gets affirmative action?

NO NO NO NO THIS CONVERSATION HAS GONE LONG ENOUGH!

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So you are admitting that a person is able to be perceived as their preferred gender based on how they perform this gender and not their chromosomal makeup, yes? (Jezus we're getting somewhere).
1: 'pronouns' memes are never funny no matter how many times you say them.
2: This person is clearly performing nearly exclusively in masculinity, to pretend like any trans woman would be a roided up dude with a full beard is plain strawmanning
3: Stop it with the bad faith arguments.
Your argument presupposes that someone IS actually the gender you say they are. It doesn't hold up because it has the conclusion written into it.
Nice meme, buddy.
Nice meme, buddy.

Musicians provide nothing for the state and should be put to work or eliminated

>So you are admitting that a person is able to be perceived as their preferred gender based on how they perform this gender

Sure, it just doesn't actually make you that gender. I don't know what kind of tangent you're trying to argue here. That's why "traps" are a thing

ok smartass, then what identity isn't purely a superficial social construct and performance act? does such a thing even exist?

>Nice meme, buddy

Crime statistics are a meme? I thought leftoids loved facts and stats

>But the child found out the truth about himself in his teens and desperately tried to transition back to a male his entire adult life, and then eventually committed suicide because of the psychological trauma of what was done to him.
this literally proves his point you fucking imbecile
david reimer wasnt actually trans so he started suffering from dysphoria when he was forced to be the gender hes not and wanted to transition into his actual gender which is the exactly same thing that happens to trans people

Lets just say for the sake of argument that you are assuming a person's sex, aren't you harming that person by assuming something that you clearly can't see?

You are concluding that all subsequent research is also invalid, that is where your argument falls flat on its face. Gender theory having origin in this experiment does not mean that it rests on that experiment. This would be like saying psychology has no value because it rests on psychoanalysis.
Based on the political category they are in and publicly perceived as and how this affects them in society (socioeconomicaly and socialy).

nypost.com/2015/04/12/mindy-kalings-brother-explains-why-he-pretended-to-be-black/

If I found a way to make myself look black, should I be eligible for things like black-only grants for colleges?
Does a transgender person need to be indistinguishable from a female in order to actually be transgender?
If that's the case, only a small portion of the transgender community would qualify.

thank god the high tranny suicide rate will make this a self correcting problem in the long run

not if they made the money by their work, but most rich people made their money by exploiting their workesr

This tranny i so bad at debating it's not even funny, he acts like an intellectual and is getting fucked from all places

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Why did this turn into a trans thread?

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Actually transgender people start experiencing dysphoria after being socially persuaded by others that they are trans.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapid_onset_gender_dysphoria_controversy

>Littman became interested in the possible role of "social contagion" in gender dysphoria among young people, and conducted a study by surveying around 250 parents recruited from three websites where she had seen parents describe sudden gender transitions in their adolescents.

>the study found that "among the young people reported on—83% of whom were designated female at birth—more than one-third had friendship groups in which 50% or more of the youths began to identify as transgender in a similar time frame", which the Science coverage described as probably "the most explosive of Littman's findings".

Then what makes someone a certain gender (a social category by definition) other than their being perceived as this gender they pass as?
Your identifying of yourself is not socialy constructed but this will eventually reflect in your performance of your identity
>I can just take data without any analysis of that data and make wild assumptions based off of this, I am very rational.
No, because I do not subscribe to that idea of gender, nor do trans people by the way. If they would like to be perceived otherwise they can signal this to me and I can change my performance towards them based on the performance they made towards me (namely verbally signalling their gender).

Anyway boys and girls and all those between, this has been a lot of fun but I'm getting tired of arguing. I hope any and all who happen upon or participated in this dumpsterfire can maybe reflect on their beliefs and take something away from it. Goodnight sweeties, I love each and every one of you unconditionally even if you are being edgelords right now.

>but most rich people made their money by exploiting their workesr

Define "exploited"

Every thread is a trans thread now on neo-resetera.

>gender (a social category by definition)

Ah, now we get to the crux of it. You believe this horseshit. We can't go any further because you're arguing falsehood.

>No, because I do not subscribe to that idea of gender

No one gives a shit what you "subscribe" to, that doesn't change what it actually is. If I don't "subscribe" to the fact that 2+2=4, that doesn't make me right, it makes me a fucking retard

read a fucking book retard
theres no point in arguing with a retard who doesnt know basic universally agreed on terminology

>tranny enabler gets btfo from multiple angles and tries to exit gracefully

OHNONONO

Hundreds or research papers: I sleep

One paper vaguely supporting my prejudices if I slant my eyes hard enough: Real shit.

I am a cishet male and have yet to have all of my answers questioned. Anyway, as already said I'm off for the day.

Oh so you can't actually argue your point, go figure.

There's nothing exploitative about willingly offering people an employment contract that they're free to accept or reject. Risk and return are correlated, and the higher risk taken by the entrepreneur who starts and runs the business entitles them to higher rewards than the simple laborers who can just go work elsewhere should the business fail.

>Anyway, as already said I'm off for the day.

I understand, getting BTFO for an entire thread is kind of embarassing, why continue further

>cishet
bruh what

>I am a cishet male

How do you know? Have you seen your chromosomes?

I know about the exact shit this guy is parroting and it's directly from his sociology/gender studies professor

Let this be a lesson that Uni will fry your brain if you're weak minded and easily influenced

I know about the exact shit this guy is parroting and it's directly from a friendless incel on a Vietnamese origami board

Let this be a lesson that /pol/ will fry your brain if you're weak minded and easily influenced

>haha fuck education i love being a retard lmao

Unpopular ideas require outcasts to believe in them.
You're just a normalfag repeating feelgood talk.
>If you're weak minded

>Unpopular ideas require outcasts to believe in them.

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kek

OP here
thanks for the entertainment you chimps

Jordan peterson's rightist individualism is just as normie as leftoids
still clean your penis

Communism will win.

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but being obsessed over racial shit/ identity politics is such outdated bullshit and isn't the idea that "capitalism has gotten us this far, it must be good" exactly what most normalfags think?

fascist

bit rude, he was only asking a question.

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>comes here to defend trannies
>gets absolutely btfo when he starts assuming anons genders
shameful display

kek

Aren't those imprisoned criminals?

I'm so fucking sick of racists wanting to deny Robstein&Sons Pharmaceuticals their profits. Workers rise up. Transition now.

>kill a guy
>get imprisoned
damn, those evil capitalists are worse than the USSR

um sweetie actually this is because of institutional racism

I was more bothered by the fact that the guy that defended trans people kept misgendering me

Yes!
The BASED class-conscious, 56% percent, 90-IQ America of tomorrow will definitely bring about a new era of socioeconomic equality and ownership of the means of production! We just need to get rid of the poor redneck racists first.