How come oldskool rappers aren't respected by the hip-hop community the way rock fans respect classic rock?
Like Bon Jovi or the Rolling Stones got no problem filling stadiums. It's too bad you don't see LL Cool J, Public Enemy, Grandmaster Flash doing stadium tours like that. Like a lot of rappers end up by their 40s doing other things or managing labels or whatever.
No hip-hop equivalent of classic rock radio either.
The people who liked them grew up and don't listen to rap anymore.
Uh actually I'm pretty sure they are respected by oldfags, the way way rock oldfags respect "classic" rock
It's a throwaway culture in a way rock isn't. I hate when people try to claim rappers are the new rock stars or something. Hip-hop isn't rock and never will be, it has a totally different culture and set of values.
Because it's not actually good.
No one actively listens to Rakim, Kool G Rap, Big Daddy Kane, or Grandmaster Flash anymore or any of that "golden era' of hip-hop
It's only purpose is for nerdy "hip hop heads" to name drop and to fill a quota on "BEST OF the 80s / 90s" lists
Meanwhile, tons of people still actively listen to and love Led Zeppelin, The Beatles, etc.
The way I see it is is 80s hip-hop is like 50s rock and roll--shit's too primitive to still be listenable today. The 90s was to hip-hop what the 60s was to rock, when it really came into its own.
Also you forgetting that Dr. Dre is first-generation hip-hop and does stadiums and festivals all the time.
You need to have sold a shitton of music before you earn the right to play stadiums. None of the old heads played stadiums in their prime the way, like, Metallica did so why would you think they'd do it now?
Dre's one of the few exceptions and that's cause he worked to get to the point where he can perform in front of 50,000 people.
Dre could only sell out stadiums if he was performing music he produced for other rappers. 50,000 people aint coming out for Dre's solo work.
Seeing people talk about a genre they don’t know about is the worst thing.
I could go on a rant on these retards. But i’ll let you guys vote :)
They're no match for 90s black guys.
This
'Cause nobody wants to see a bunch of 50 year olds with clock necklaces boasting about how fly they are and how they're gonna impress girls with their new Adidas.
>it's bad and age-inappropriate for a bunch of 50 year olds boasting how fly they are and they're gonna impress girls with their new Adidas
>it's not age-inappropriate for a bunch of 60 year olds with guitars singing about fucking teenage sluts
See though, the thing is hip-hop isn't really about the music, more like the message. So it was ok to rapping about how fly you are when you're 22, but that doesn't work when you're 50. If you gonna still be spitting that shit when you have gray hair, you better have some good singing or instruments to go with it. Hip-hop ain't a good live genre either, especially not in a large venue.
It's sad that most old heads not named Dre or Ice Cube are struggling while rock stars who haven't been relevant in 30 years sell out stadiums and own two vacation homes in Hawaii.
Most of the old heads got stuck in the 90s and just couldn't adapt.
They kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place 'cause either they still make like the 90s and look like dinosaurs or they try to look more modern and it be like "How do you do fellow kids."
Hip-hop's too topical and spur of the moment. A band like Bon Jovi didn't have any songs that had topical jokes and they're pretty much timeless whereas with oldskool hip-hop you have to deal with all the dated lyrics about dissing other rappers and the '88 Lakers and shit like that.
Most of Dre's fans are white.
Chuck D has talked about this issue. He says he's wanted to play big venues for years but can't get the insurance for it. As everyone knows, nobody wants to insure hip-hop concerts, they think it's too risky.
Can you imagine if all the brothas in the city were corralled together in one place? They stick to their hood for a reason.
Don't any of you remember that 6ix9ine only ever performed live in Europe, US venues didn't want to risk booking him.
nah those fans are all old people now
i think generally all the violent people are pretty young and think that sound is corny
That's actually pretty based
Plenty of other rappers with crazier audiences play big stadiums though
The black community in general doesn't have much reverence for the past. They've even dissed civil rights icons, people who marched in the streets and got shot at and beaten up by police and had their churches firebombed by the KKK. It's like when Jesse Jackson complained about a certain Nas album and Nas told him get fucked you old bag of bones this is our generation now.
6ixnine's audience is very different from Public Enemy though
They also use Uncle Tom as pejorative even though that book was an important factor in winning support for the anti-slavery movement.
I liken hop-hop to EDM in that it's more about the production than anything. EDM is also very flavor of the month and nobody anywhere listens to EDM from like 1993 or puts it on at a party.
Dr. Dre headlines Coachella he is one artist with several classics, over time and sold a lot of records, plus he has a large white fanbase which ensures he'll never have a problem selling tickets. Most of the classic rock giants had multi-decade careers and at least a dozen songs everyone knows, and you want to compare them to a guy like Slick Rick who has one underground classic.
So if a rapper wasn't big in his prime, why would he be doing stadium tours now? Slick Rick wasn't even bigger in his day than Wacka Flocka Flame. Someone with three gold records in 6 years isn't the same as a rock group with a couple platinum sellers over a 25 year period. Some of these cats were barely even known outside NYC for the longest time and you're gonna be comparing them to McCartney or U2?
The first generation of anything rarely get any credit, it's like how 50s rock and rollers got very quickly overtaken by the Beatles.
Eminem will sell out tickets until he dies because he's white. So will Kanye because most of his fans are white. Don't see too many others that will.
It's like my nieces and nephews, they don't want anything to do with Snoop or Pac or Busta. They be like "Shit's old as fuck." Hip-hop puts a premium on newness and novelty in a way other genres don't.
I guess Jay-Z's legacy is big and secure enough as well that he'll always find an audience. And it's a bit funny about Dre because a lot of people be disappointed that he hasn't released more new albums. I think Snoop Dogg is famous enough and has enough white fans as well that he'll always have an audience.
Rock stars are basically saints, If there was a church of rock it would have stained glassed windows with lennon, cobain, hendrix, etc. Bowie would be on the cross.
Rap has no respect for older musicians, Its almost as disposable as pop music. Rap music is fucking terrible live for the most part.
Ask yourself why people still listen to albums made in the 60s, 60 years later, but no one listens to ll cool jay or public enemy. There is something inherently different with what rock did and what rap does. And with the rise of poptamism and tossing away of "rockism" the artistry that came with rock music is no longer in music at all
So now we live in a world were some new faggot with rainbow dreads appears every 6 months before he gets replaced by another one.
You know, in the end, there are no genres, there is only two types of music.
Listening music and dance music
>How come oldskool rappers aren't respected by the hip-hop community the way rock fans respect classic rock?
because only whites unironically listen to this shit
no self respecting brutha is going to listen to fucking wu tang clan or public enemy. for feal though, how can you listen to this shit? real mayo hours right there
Rap isn't music it's literally a manufactured product made to make as much money as quickly as possible. Some of the most successful rap songs ever made were crafted by old white guys in business suits drinking scotch and smoking cigars.
As somebody else said, hip-hop is production-driven in a way that rock isn't. Not to say rock production isn't important, but only in the studio and the real test of a rock group is their live prowess where you hear them raw and not filtered through studio gimmicks.
I think the 50s rock and roll analogy is spot-on. Hip-hop didn't really get good until the 90s when they had enough budget and access to good quality studios. The 80s stuff sounds too fucking primitive.
>because only whites unironically listen to this shit
lol, do you guys live on the internet i've never met a white person, outside of the internet, that listens to old school hip hop it's always been black people
>So now we live in a world were some new faggot with rainbow dreads appears every 6 months before he gets replaced by another one.
Usually because he gets shot or dies of a drug OD.
theyre both dogshit but unlike whites all the niggers who listened to this shit in their 20s are dead or in prison
They have actual music to go along with it.
Come on now. Are you telling me people don't still get down to a little Haddaway?
ive literally never in my life seen a nigger in a wu tang hoodie or heard one playing something that came out before 2003
Imagine dragons fans don't necesserly know of old groups, and radioactive won the grammy as rock song.
You see, when a culture gets exploited for money and gets killed, it ends like this. However underground rappers often still remember old school hip hop and respect it
The old school hip hop is not a throwaway culture. It's still remembered and respected by many
Oh really? Is that why those cheesy old 808s go for thousands now? Or why lo-fi soundcloud mumble rappers are so popular with the Zoomers?
I respect them OGs because without them the rap game wouldn't even exist, they was pioneers
>nobody anywhere listens to EDM from like 1993
Oldskool hardcore is still listened to in the UK. I occasionally see fliers for events. Americans might not realize how popular it was here (even getting into the mainstream top 40), so lots of people still like it.
Imagine going to a stadium to hear a computer while a monkey jumps around lip-syncing lyrics he forgot about killing other monkeys... It doesn't work.
When I go to a stadium, I want to see the performers killing it live. I want to see the drummer giving away all his energy on the drums with velocity while the guitarist shows his virtuosity, and the singer communicating deep emotions, more by changes of pitch than in lyrics.
I don't want to hear a pre-recorded song where someone talks while a 3-second loop plays behind him.
In short, there is no reason to go to a stadium to hear Hip Hop and Rap. If I want to loop a bar from a Jazz song while a record of someone talking is playing, I can do this at my home and there will not he any less emotions than when a Rapper and his producer play live.
Nobody goes to a stadium to hear someone talking arrogantly behind a Jazz bar looped forever.
this. Rap concerts live suck
I've been wondering this. The likes of Public Enemy, Nas, Wu-Tang, N.W.A., A Tribe Called Quest, De La Soul, etc. are MILES superior to the absolute shit that people call modern hip hop.
Dre rarely does live shows and is something of a recluse these days. Coachella 2012 was a one off. A few years ago Ice Cube was asked about the possibility of N.W.A. reforming and he said he and Ren and Yella were all up for it, but it was all down to whether Dre would actually want to do it or not.
>Imagine going to a stadium to hear a computer while a monkey jumps around lip-syncing lyrics he forgot about killing other monkeys... It doesn't work.
A lot of old school Hip Hop artists actually perform with live bands. You don't know what you're talking about, go back to /pol/.
the real truth is that eazy-e wouldn't be up for it
Holy fuck you guys really are all white huh. Go talk to some black people for fucks sake
shit sucks, odb is the king go fuck yourself.
he's literally rapping about shitting in someone's lawn
>I could rant
> I'll let you guys vote :)
How does it feel posses one of the worst personalities?
you do know denzel references and respects wutang and ice cube?
because of the variety, i don't think death metal fans respect pop punk
Imagine thinking that the latter three songs are superior to the former. They're all shitty generic mumble rap songs with synthesised clappy beats and autotune. The first three have soul to them, they don't sound like they were conjured up within five minutes on Fruit Loops.
What are you, a zoomer or a soiboi? Either way, you have bad taste in music.
Run DMC and Beastie Boys are
>Rap music, it's fuckin' shite, you know what I mean? I can appreciate Public Enemy and N.W.A. but that's it. The rest is all this nonsense about guns and bling bling. These lads are all working class but they're coming out with this nonsense about having all this fuckin' money. I'm not having that. When Oasis were just starting out, we never sang about that, because all we had were our tunes. To me, that is what proper working class music is about. Not this fuckin' shit.
and david bowie respected hitler. his music's still good.
>In the beginning there was Adam and Eve
>But some try to make it look like Adam and Steve
wow so much soul
>own two vacation homes in Hawaii.
i want that too
Noone respects Bon jovi tho
he gets the money, unless the struggling old monkeys fom the golden era.
*unlike ;)
Then do it and contribute, you fucking mong
Tell us why Old rappers don't fill stadiums faggot
I would argue that Dre remains in collective consciousness because of the NWA days and his current persona is still based on that. The gangsta rap era was a pivoting point for hip hop that is only "recently" being changed into the pop rap era. His staying power comes from a different place then big d kane for example.
Otherwise sounds reasonable.
That he does. They can just announce a tour and have no problem filling it up with boomers who all want to sing along to the chorus of Bad Medicine.
>I would argue that Dre remains in collective consciousness because of the NWA days and
Uh...his Eminem connections?
Good point. Ren and Yella I'm sure wouldn't refuse the money since they're probably making about $12,000 a year now. Dre's set for life, he doesn't need it.
Niggers have no concept of loyalty
This isn't reddit bub
I mean, I think black economics have at least something to do with it. The heads who get rich are all guys that have a lot of white fans. The black community by itself isn't big enough or wealthy enough to get you to Metallica level of success.
This meme is getting stale.
A lot of hip-hop only speaks to a specific time and place, it's not universal the way rock is.
I gotta say I feel kind of bad that the 80s hip-hop kind of style didn't stick around because it was just about having fun and being proud of your hood. After the 80s everything got taken over by the cancer of thug rap.
*raises hand*
As a privileged cis white male, I completely agree.
rap music is childish it always has been
You don't need to be a billionaire or own a basketball league to be successful but I hear what you're saying.
lots of 80's and 90's rappers brought it on themselves though because they just stopped making music/vanished and never toured nearly as hard as the rock bands did. Like I've never heard of a rapper or group that toured fucking 250 days a year.
the white duke was an act though.
To busy being Ballaz I guess.
>British user
>spelling it as "realize"
The only good rap IS gangsta rap
Rap doesn't translate well into a live setting.
British English is French-influenced shit. American English is closer to the original spellings and is the international standard.
Let's be honest. For any black artist (doesn't matter what genre) to "make it" and get rich, you need to appeal to a white audience. It's no different than how conquering the US market is almost a necessity for British musicians if they want to eat.
I dunno. Kylie Minogue (ok not actually British, but) has done perfectly fine with only a minimal presence in North America for most of her career.
>it's not age-inappropriate for a bunch of 60 year olds with guitars singing about fucking teenage sluts
This never happens though?
Blacks don't have the same type of culture when it comes to those who pioneered the music they make
Every rapper want to usurp the greats of old and outshine their legacy rather than respecting it