Oh look, another episode of pseudo-intellectual garbage unworthy of being saved spouted ad nauseum in this disgusting pit of filth.
You might as well put in the thread rules that nothing posted here may have over 10,000 views, as that might show it has quality, and quality is counter-intuitive to your bullshit degree in musical theory.
Evan Perez
so yall cowards too scared to discuss my niggas operas
Nathan Reed
You say that like the cancer stops with the discontinuation of the previous thread. I'm afraid not. Observe:
Whatcha think bout Schumann, user? His two operas, even though the second went unfinished, are amongst the top five best of the XXth century. Lulu is possibly the last good opera, period.
Every piece of Schumann's music just sounds like a collection of schizophrenically unrelated themes haphazardly strung together, with no development, and no discernible line of continuous musical idea.
Nathaniel Bennett
>a collection of schizophrenically unrelated themes haphazardly strung together that sounds fucking AMAZING
do they give you a title of sorts if you pass or what? something like "Big Pianist"?
Daniel Morgan
10/10 incredibly based.
The disc was released by a label called 'La Scala Bookstore' and also has some 'Caffarel' branding. Does anyone know what it is and if there are more recordings like this available anywhere?
are you retarded? passing piano classes is obligatory for any music related subject. However, he could also aim to be "big pianist" and study piano, what's the point of your question anyway?
His piano pieces and lieds are great, but everytime he did something that required orchestration, everything fell apart. Anyway, his symphonies are most charming failures ever.
Half the challenge of conducting a Schumann Symphony is trying to figure out just what's the purpose of anything at all, it's so obtuse and dense and mushy it hurts. I'll say he had some good chamber works, though.
Jaxon Stewart
Yup.
Hunter Perry
Wozzeck is pretty good. Lulu is better even if it wasn't finished and it's the last great opera.
there is no distinct evidence to suggest this even though brahms probably had a huge body count, i think he respected rob enough clara was probably sound too
Caleb Morales
>the last good opera not Weinberg? the passenger is pretty solid
Joseph Ross
Johannes and Clara might've fucked once, but I don't think they stuck to a relationship, and in any case it was a mixture of both respecting themselves and Robert plenty. I think Robert was one of the few people Johannes actually respected.
Fellow Baroquechads what do you think of the "one singer per choral line theory"? en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Rifkin >He is famed among classical musicians and aficionados for his increasingly influential theory that most of Bach's choral works were sung with only one singer per choral line. Rifkin argued: "So long as we define 'chorus' in the conventional modern sense, then Bach's chorus, with few exceptions, simply did not exist."[2] en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/OVPP
Even if this is correct I think this is a wrong approach for Bach since Bach always wanted more players and more singers but he was limited by the budget of his church But dont get me wrong I love the HIP Movement without them we wouldn't have recordings of Obscure Baroque composers
1) They're fucking piano etudes dude. I think Hanon is more vapid. 2) I actually enjoy listening to these more than, say, the Scriabin etudes.
Andrew Gomez
>Even if this is correct I think this is a wrong approach for Bach since Bach always wanted more players and more singers but he was limited by the budget of his church Maybe he wanted more but he wrote for what he had. When the orchestra or chorus gets too big and the sound is thick it's noticeably more difficult to follow the polyphony, which would probably require a different approach to composing altogether.
Nicholas Peterson
Oh another "what could have been" Cope of Mozartfags I see
Listen to something that is actually weird and "ahead of its time" here youtu.be/xjUh11EPGcM
Nolan Wilson
>posts the fucking Gross Fuge for the zillionth time
Why do you have to be such an asshole? These threads are anonymous, we're here to talk about classical music, not to grow our e-peens. There's no need to try to turn everything into a competition.
that fugue is bizarre, it almost sounds like a student piece. really interesting the way he was trying to come to terms with counterpoint. I don't like the way schiff plays that gigue, it sounds really harsh
Ian Turner
>only abusive hardcore edgelords allowed on my Yea Forums! You must be over 18 to post on this website.
Parker Smith
>Every Good Boy Deserves Fudge + FACE >not just Every Faggot Gay Ass Boy Cunt Deserves Endless Fucking
> The pianist Alfred Brendel has described it as "the greatest of all piano works". Do you think this is just swagger?
Jace Thompson
Listening to Medtner. You?
Hudson Walker
This thread was much better before you showed up and polluted it with your bullshit trolling. It would improve if you were hit by a car. Think about that.
Luis Diaz
You could try posting something of value
Ryan Gray
Mozart is shit
Landon White
I thought you just meant the fugue. If we're talking about the whole piece, I don't see any controversy.
James Nguyen
What Medtner piece are you listening? Me? I'm sadly not listening to anything right now
The first piano concerto. Are you wageslaving at this moment?
Daniel Gutierrez
I mean I like the Diabelli variations but to say it's a greater piece than any of his sonatas is really strange to me, especially as a listener. Unless by great he means big? There's this tendency of people to rate counterpoint above more modern idioms that I just don't understand.
Nicholas Carter
Schoenberg said it was his most harmonically adventurous work (not even just of his piano repertoire). It doesn't seem to have an incredible lot to do with the counterpoint exclusively.
Asher Taylor
>Schoenberg said Stopped reading right there
Adrian Smith
Maybe but again there's this idea that most complicated = greatest. I guess I'm just not a jaded enough pianist.
No, and I don't totally mean it in a deragatory way. I mean pianists like Brendel who are so familiar with the repertoire see things in a different way, where the drama and surprise of the sonatas lose some of their effect.
John Cooper
Half of Mozart's ouvre is boring and shallow
Nathaniel James
but his oeuvre is so huge that the good half is immense and excellent so it works out in our favour
Christian Wilson
Why is Schoenberg so bad but Berg so good
Jayden Gonzalez
You'd be LUCKY if the worst thing a critic could call a piece you wrote when you were eight years old was shallow. The only thing that's changed is composers today keep their lesser works in a desk.
Caleb Evans
He's easier on the ears, not better
Elijah Foster
That's like another user who said he meant "proactive" in a derogatory way. That's just not valid the English language. Similarly you can't mean "jaded" in a non-derogatory way.
taht man has some sort of gland disease doesn't he
Mason Flores
no, the derogatory version of "proactive" is "overzealous" and the nonderogatory version of "jaded" is "accustomed"
Noah Davis
but the way language works, I can literally mean anything in any way I want. I can use "faggot" as a flattering term and "honourable" as a derogatory term. I can do what I want, that's language baby
Ryder Mitchell
>the derogatory version of Those are just vague synonyms though, like you were using a thesaurus to find similarly themed words, and none of the two pairs sound either pejorative nor complimentary
control your autism And I mean that in a derogatory way
Brayden Brooks
>I mean that in a derogatory way ....but did you?
Samuel Butler
Not really. I love Schoenberg but that feels like one of his less comprehensible works
Hudson Cooper
nothing can top Op 16, 26 and 30 (I'll readily admit I quite like Moses Und Aron)
Asher Campbell
Bunch of cretins. Just be grateful you don't have to speak a romance language where nouns have associations with particular genders and there are also derogatory nouns and all of those happen to be the female versions.
Chillax. Everyone knows music is one of the worst mediums but it's still pretty nice.
Tyler Green
>Less comprehensible works I don't get this claim, the rhythms make it very accessible to me. It reads like a dark musical comedy to me, the death of Wien. But maybe I just really like this performance youtube.com/watch?v=19VxHGpzJBo
Justin Carter
Who needs to be good at anything else when 10 consecutive operas you wrote can each be consided a pinnacle of the genre (Flying Dutchmab through Parsifal)
Brandon Butler
Even compared to Op. 11 or even Op. 19 it just sounds like a crazy mess to me. I don't find the same harmonic impulse that I find in those other works.
Andrew Rivera
Composers who want to be good at more than one thing, maybe? Tchaikovsky also wrote some of the best operas of the XIXth century, but also some of the best symphonies and definitely the best ballets. He's worth more as a composer than Wagner, even if all of his operas put together aren't as much a "pinnacle" as one of Wagner's
Anthony Cox
Who the fuck knows Tchaikovsky for his opera? Even his contemporaries have rightfully better known operas.
>Composers who want to be good at more than one thing, maybe Not really relevant to be honest. A composer should write what he wants, and write it well. There's no inherent reason why a composer should want to be better at more than one thing. Quality>quantity (of works or styles) >Tchaikovsky's worth more as a composer than Wagner Not really considering he never reached the heights Wagner did with anything, even if he had a more varied catalogue
Andrew Wright
I mean, the harmony doesn't stick with me either, but I can still hear his voice in it. A feeling of being profoundly mentally unsettled. It drags a lot more than his better stuff in the longer pieces, though
Owen Jones
>Who the fuck knows Tchaikovsky for his opera? >Not really considering he never reached the heights Wagner did with anything ok boyos
fwiw though, I do strongly prefer the Kubilek/Brendal interpretation of the Piano Concerto. I especially like how terse the cadential chord is, feels much more satisfying than the drawn-out ones in other interpretations.
Leo Fisher
Yeah, I can't be assed with torrenting in general. I only torrent software.
It has everything by Schoenberg for starters, since you were complaining there isn't much to pick from there. But regardless, what can you possibly want that you can't find it there? I think you just don't know how to get it to work.
Xavier Morris
I'm not him you fucking bucket
Anthony Walker
I wasn't exactly "complaining". I find youtube usually has what I want. Generally I don't make a point of listening to multiple interpretations if one seems serviceable enough. I only poke around if the piece is among my favorites, like Schoenberg's Piano Concerto. That's not to say I just go with the first thing in the results. I usually have a shortlist of names for any particular composer+instrumentation.
Nathan Perez
then why reply to me you dickless
Anthony Parker
But youtube compresses everything to like 64kbps
Christopher Morales
I don't give a fuck about sound quality. Sometimes I even prefer midi to an actual performance because it distills the notes on the page into a purer mathematical form.
Carson James
Every composer (and pretty much every artist) is a beta faggot who turns to 'art' as escapism because they can't get love sex or social stability
Lincoln Turner
weak
James Moore
>I don't give a fuck about sound quality. >Sometimes I even prefer midi
I hope you mean 'weak' in a way that doesn't refer to "bait" because I'm absolutely serious. That is just how autistic I am.
Nathan Smith
>Mathias der Maler, the opera Personally the most underrated opera.
Jeremiah Martin
>That is just how autistic I am. nah, otherwise you wouldn't even be here
Eli Lewis
I think the plebs are the ones that need "muh acoustics" and "muh dyanmics" instead of appreciating the music for the melody, harmony and rhythm. Midi is fucking patrician dude. Bach was made for sinewaves.
Guess composers were plebs too then because most of them cared about acoustics and dynamics quite a bit, many of them composing for specific venues in particular
Charles Price
He would be easily in my top 10 if he decided to give form even a passing glance. I feel in one way that's part of his style, what with his work being structured from narratives, but if you look elsewhere he just starts collapsing and extremely quickly at that. And that ability to construct a cathedral out of music is what draws me in to erudite music anyhow.
>Quality>quantity (of works or styles) This reads like Dvorak's essay on Schubert.
I said "sometimes" I prefer midi. Obviously, like any sensible person I find real interpretations to be worth listening to as well. On the other hand I could give two fucks about how compressed my audio is (unless it starts getting bitcrushed).
>no one that gets sex would care about what "life's questions" fucking are Only a turbovirgin would think this
Nolan Stewart
Sad part is is that Horowitz is a truly mediocre Scriabin player, and I say that as someone who likes Horowitz generally speaking Fuck he had the perfect technique for the 5th sonata and he blew it with that awful interpretation
>At Bible study >Question: "What is "the peace that surpasses all understanding?" >My answer: "Communion with the Holy Spirit who is the indwelling presence of God" >Profligate user's answer: "Durr Sex, right?" >mfw
It's the other way round, you have to prove he's real.
Chase Garcia
since speaking impiously of God has been blasphemous. So since the foundation of the world, pal.
Isaiah Gomez
1. Nothing can came from nothing, therefore a creator must exists, not even religion just logic 2. From the mere idea of perfection one can conceive the idea of God as the supreme greatnes and perfection, therefore must exist because the idea of perfection both mentally and material planes is more perfect than just mentally
David Fisher
>r&m posting let's not
Austin Powell
Those basic-ass ideas have been disproven time and time again. If you're going to theologise do it properly with non-joke authors
Charles Smith
I'm the guy who started posting the Christian stuff and even I think this kind of question-begging argument is retarded. Schismatics and apologetics were a mistake.
>since speaking impiously of God has been blasphemous That shit's arbitrarily decided in fucking councils, which have decided that anything that's not catholic or orthodox is blasphemous, so fuck that. And that still doesn't mean it's "satanic"
I want God to fuck me and that's as pious as anthing else.
Adam Carter
You haven't disproven anything you just went >muh basic-ass ideas
Dominic Anderson
>You haven't disproven anything no doy you fucking 2/10 weakass bitch
Julian Price
What about J.S. Bach?
Ayden Flores
No only Bach, every Baroque and Renaissance composer Their lives depended on writing music
Zachary Adams
Based and Orthodoxpilled
Jaxon Jenkins
>Nothing can came from nothing >therefore a creator must exist Jumping to conclusions there bud > From the mere idea of perfection one can conceive the idea of God as the supreme greatnes and perfection, therefore must exist because the idea of perfection both mentally and material planes is more perfect than just mentally This is literally just Descartes' Ontological argument and Kant already disproved this ages ago (which I'm sure you know) and many didn't even buy before him. What are you even trying to do
Camden Rodriguez
>What are you even trying to do troll and shitpost generally
Jaxon Richardson
where did the creator come from?
Joshua Jackson
me
Evan Parker
>Jumping to conclusions there bud Yes, it's known as the efficient cause in sciences,which as happened a lot of times before reasearch could find how worked fully process (which usually take much more time)
I admit I was shitposting with the ontological argument of Descartes
lol why would you waste your time making this? Nobody thinks Von Bulow is better than Wagner, that is, if they even know of Von Bulow in the first place.
>me and a friend You did this all alone shut up you otaku loser
Hudson Sanders
>goes against centuries of musical academia with logic and facts >Treats major composers irreverently (freely makes his own trinity without giving a fuck what anyone thinks)
Nintenfag is right, adults don't care. Thing is Hill posted that comment at all because he DOES care what others think, thus making him tonights big virgin
What the fuck is a "Hill Dueceua" anyway? I'm convinced nobody has ever existed or been imagined with a name like that in the entire history of human insanity.
Dominic Wood
Lmao
Sebastian Hughes
just saw a selection of Mahlerian des knaben wunderhorn lieder he really is a master orchestrator
Carter Gonzalez
Wait a second, what is this? What the fuck is this?
tb h id rather have that than central cello arrangement
Jackson Foster
In my defense, I thought that Liszt had lived into his 90s for some reason. I think its plausible Mozart could have touched on a maximally chromatic language if he were alive in the mid-1800s.
Benjamin Howard
HillDueceua is that you? OH NO NO NO NO
Ethan Torres
composers ARE plebs
probably can't even use protools
Christopher Murphy
I don't think its a big secret that I'm usually active in the general.
Zachary Lee
Why would you do that? Why? I can understand here on this general but why youtube?
Cameron Robinson
Because I'm trying to deprogram the normalfags of course
your post only further confirms that jews are behind everything and own us all, my dude
Zachary Lee
Not blond enough.
Jace Johnson
that's not his hair, that's the Yellow Triangle Of Post-Modern Chadness and it's the contemporary equivalent of that outrageous jacket Palestrina is wearing
Brandon Peterson
go fuck yourself, hill
Chase Scott
Are there any recordings of Operas without vocals? Just the music. I think that'd be terribly interesting
the ring is shit as it is, it'd be less shit without the singing
Chase Evans
I don't know man. Why does anyone comment on anything? I'm not really all that married to the whole anonymity thing. If one discussion platform is anonymous while another one requires registration then so be it. Sometimes I just like to comment on the music or throw my hat in the ring with some tangential discussion already going on. I also joined a classical Discord server. Poly's there. He's actually a pretty swell guy when you get to know him.
Brody Baker
no more games and no more bullshit. who does art of fugue the best?
Gavin Turner
Imagine being as wrong as humanly possible.
Juan Price
>Only jews would have a problem with one of the most despotic regimes in the history of the modern world.
the real embarrassing part is when you followed along with G*uld's mindset on the 40th symphony, nevermind that tone rows in music are at least as old as Bach lol
there are far more interesting things going on in the 40th symphony so stop trivializing it with your gay appeals to tradition
Anthony Peterson
This is a real picture of Poly btw. Taken from his discord.
>being even remotely aware of people on an anonymous imageboard seriously literally who
Evan Hill
Nope. The only people who think there's anything "chad" about Wagner are impotent manchildren and tourists.
Christopher Wood
Even Wagner admitted himself that he was following Liszt. Well. Harmony-wise, at least. The rest is owed to the French.
It's too bad that Liszt was less than good insofar as his orchestral writing went. Though thankfully we don't need an orchestra for his best works (the late works)
Whatever I am, I'd like to remind everyone here that I never promoted my identity, namefagged or tripfagged. You guys screenshotted my comments and started calling me by my youtube handle, so this is all /classical/'s fault collectively. Also me being the new CWJ, what the hell does that have to do with Discord? As reddity as Discord may be, its still the only viable platform to keep in contact with online friends and acquaintances. Who the hell is using still using Skype except literal boomers?
>its still the only viable platform to keep in contact with online friends and acquaintances. No, it's just the most convenient for the lazy and for those who want to spam emojis.
poly has posted his pics here before and that's certainly not him
Logan Baker
OH NONO NO NO
Benjamin Murphy
shut the fuck up
Aaron Nguyen
t. impotent manchild
Gabriel Morales
Yeah, popularity is kind of a big factor. I doubt I could convince my 30 odd contacts to all unanimously switch over to Appear.in. Not to mention there are no themed servers there.
David Butler
Poly's real name is known here on Yea Forums, you just need to look where. It's not where you'd expect.
I mean, I don't blame you. My friends use it too and unfortunately I go along with them because I still can't convince them to move to something that isn't going to sell off their information in 10 years. But Discord is still cancer.
At the very least I would sandbox it in your browser so they aren't monitoring your running programs.
Lucas Lopez
Biography Starting in the electronic and band worlds, Tom has always had an interest in classical music – attempting to transcribe Bach's The Art of the Fugue by ear at around age 14. Tom studied music at Otago University, majoring in composition, and during this time had his piece Trench recorded by the NZSO as part of the Todd Young Composers Competition.
Although enthusiastic about late 20th century and contemporary music, Tom's main influences lie in early music, traditional music, and early-mid 20th century music. He continues to develop his own tonal style – somewhere between Morales, Bach and Martinů, but with a beauty reflective of New Zealand.
Tom works in a variety of mediums, from film and game soundtracks to the concert hall. His music has been performed in the Chamber Vulgarus concerts and he has scored many local films, being a producer and songwriter as well as a classical composer. Tom's early interest in fugue came full circle after reading Hugo Norden's “Foundation Studies in Fugue” and Alfred Mann's “The Study of Fugue”. He fell in love with the form and has since written more than 30 fugues for various instruments - from piano and organ to viol consort and wind quartet. Tom's Symphony No. 1 “Central Otago” is a love letter to New Zealand landscape and history, a reflection of the cultural history, aesthetic and climactic extremes of Central Otago, where Tom spent his teenage years.
John Miller
>attempting to transcribe Bach's The Art of the Fugue by ear at around age 14. based fugue autist
we can only hope to be half as pure as poly is
Evan Cook
>all these mega folders just make a Spotify playlist
Noah Murphy
lol, I don't want to put this cliche response forward as a political argument (which it surely is not), but I literally have nothing to hide. What the hell are they going to hand me out on, making shitty 12 tone EDM?
Isaiah Barnes
Whats Hill's biography?
Christopher Stewart
You never know, man. You never know. What may not be something to hide in the present, might be something to hide in 20 years. Plus, I'm just not comfortable with someone having a profile out there on me and selling it.
Grayson Thompson
New edition. Familiar theme, but hey we haven't really had it yet.
Justin Scott
Biography- An autistic indian discord tranny who takes polys dick in his ass
Henry Parker
I've just kind of given up on the idea of not being spied on. I mean the spyware is really in the very architecture of your computer these days. That's what all this Huawei crap is over.
>tfw your country has become a mere pawn in the pissing match of two global superpowers
