I don't see the controversy. He is completely valid

"Kanye's fifth studio album is easily his most ambitious effort yet. The production is extremely stunning. To be honest, this album sounds like a really huge undertaking with all of it's extra instrumentation, studio tricks, and samples.

Kanye has stepped up his rhyme game, too. It's also comforting to hear his guest MCs are rapping on his level.

My one problem is I think someone would need to have some kind of interest in Kanye West as a person, or persona, to truly fall in love with this album. I, unfortunately, don't really care about the minor details of the guy's social life. He's got a lot of talent, but his relationships and various character flaws don't really pique my interest for the entire album. There are points where I can't help but cheer him on when he tells his personal tale of success, but I could take or leave the moments of contrived social drama.

There's a lot to love about this thing. I'm just not won over on it personality-wise."

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Faggot piece of shit subhuman spamming fucking Fantano threads fuck you I hope you get raped to death by a pack of wild niggers I hope there’s an accident and you lose both your hands so you can never post again I’m sick of this bald fat faggot on this board I don’t give a shit about what good album he rated poorly or what bad album he rated highly he’s a stupid fucking idiot we know that we’ve always known that but you retards come here every fucking hour of every fucking day saying “durr wait why fantano be dumb bald man not rate album how I rate album” why don’t you pull your head out of your ass do the world a favor and get a fucking shotgun and end your posting career early I’m sick of coming to Yea Forums and seeing this subhuman and always the same fucking complaints about him just stop fucking posting him he’s not a musician and his videos aren’t even interesting just stop it I hope the skull is ripped out of your head and your brains are split in two and then they’re both put back and the process is repeated over and over I hope you live in abject misery I never want to see a thread about him again I hope your spine is split in half I hope your heart is clogged with cum I fucking hate these stupid fucking low quality threads we need a permanent ban on these threads so I want the mods to just fucking end this and I don’t even like them fuck off just do it stop posting yes we get it he’s a moron you’re the moron for posting him whether you like him or not you’re a fucking cancer cell killing this board eat my whole ass I’m sick and tired of you people being alive if theneedledrop were deleted off youtube this board would probably suck for a few weeks or so but then it would be so great as people realized he was never coming back I’m fucking begging you here please stop posting him stop posting about how you like and support him and stop posting about how you dislike or hate him just stop making threads about this shit

Who the hell do you think you are? You’re any kind of artist? Anybody know who you are? Maybe evrybody else wants to enjoy the peace and quiet. This is one of the most important places in North America and who are you? Who are you? You miserable presumptious no talent. You’re no artist. An artist respects the silence, it serves the foundation of creativity. You obviously don’t have the talent. You don’t have enough respect for yourself or other people, or know what it means to respect yourself. In music or any form of creativity. And I’m an NYU fil-school graduate. Sucker. And the School of Visual Art in the Academy of Art University in San Fransisco. You suck. You’re a no talent. If you really have talent, go practice. And then get yourself a gig, instead of ruining the day for everybody down here. You disgrace. You are everything that’s gone wrong in this world. You’re a self consumed, no-talent, mediocre piece of shit. And I’ve earned my right to say it. Okay? In 1975, I walked Bob Dylan up on stage. Who the fuck are you? I knew the Grateful Dead from 1966. Who the fuck are you? You’re nothing. You are nothing. And you will never be anything. Never. How dare you? You miserable, mediocre nothing. Shame on you. You crack a stupid little smile, you little pimp. Go learn to play. You’re flat. You can’t even carry a fucking note. I don’t care about your little horn lip, it doesn’t mean you know how to play. You’re flat. I’ve trained classically, I’ve trained contemporaneously, and you suck.

>kanyestans also have shit taste in movies
Not entirely surprised

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shit taste in NFL teams too

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each face i recognize after the last makes me angrier.

>including based RLM
Fuck off

people should stop just looking at his scores and actually listen to what he says

how are metokur rlm owl guy (forget his name) and rebel taxi pseuds
the rest make sense or I dont recognise
and the only ones I like out of them are rags robobuddies and e;r

Explain how rags isn't pseud

oh also the one's that aren't pseuds I like

no he's definitely pseud I just can tolerate him

so the only ones I "like" are rlm metokur robobuddies rebel taxi owl guy and e;r

take rlm off that you bitch

Listen up, plebs

Here's the deal

>November 2010
>MBDTF drops
>receives critical claim across the board
>Wannabe hipster Youtube """"critic"""" looks to make a name for himself
>t. "I'm not like the rest" teenager mentality
>rates it a 6/10
>His reasoning?
>"I think someone would need to have some kind of interest in Kanye as a person, or persona, to truly fall in love with this album"
>Implying one's feelings towards the artist's persona should/could affect one's feelings towards their respective art
>Implying persona > art
>Think now about Michael Jackson (admitted sleeping with little boys) and Roman Polanski (rape) — Thriller is still great and so is Rosemary's baby
>t. inability to separate artist from art (basic requirement of a critic)
>"I could take or leave the moments of contrived social drama"
>Social drama is valid in our very social world
>Calls it 'contrived' without evidence to back this up

The album is about a guy at the top of his game waxing lyrical about what's going on in his life, if you just gave it to someone who didn't know Kanye from Kenya, they'd still be able to appreciate the luscious instrumentation and grandiose production and flow and everything

Honestly, it literally just boils down to Anthony Fantano wanting to seem different and holier-than-thou about one of the best albums of the 21st century

AND I'M NOT EVEN A KANYE/RAP FAN

baka

Kanye stan here, I dont like fantano or this review but yeah its completely valid imo (MBDTF is my favorite ye album). It is his opinion and like you said all the points he brings up are quite valid.
>If you like one of the best movies ever made you have shit taste durr I'm contrarian

I don't care. I just want e celeb cancer to end.

>one of the best movies ever made

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am i wrong? not my favorite movie ever and personally probably isnt even in my top 10 but saying its not one of the best movies ever made is retarded. i hope you get mauled to death by a large animal. faggot

>"I could take or leave the moments of contrived social drama"
>Social drama is valid in our very social world
>Calls it 'contrived' without evidence to back this up

do you know what contrived means because you're using it like you just saw it on the internet.

bad troll is bad. dark knight is decent but not good enough to be considered goat. its a shame that a marginal film cause us to lose Heath

>do you know what contrived means because you're using it like you just saw it on the internet.
He’s quoting fantano who’s a critic who called it “contrived social drama” without any evidence

Jesus Christ

youtube.com/watch?v=Jo4S2qlQGs0

1:50 — "Basically the music here and Kanye West's personal life are pretty inseparable on this album."

>t. Music critic literally admits to being unable to separate art from the artist
>t. Lacks the most basic requirement of a music critic

I know you're a troll now because you keep including me on your posts.
Don't care.

What if the art is composed around the artist? Kanye’s personal life is clearly apart of his music, if you don’t care for the lyrics on a rap album you’d enjoy it less. Not to defend fantanos horrific review of MBDTF but Kanye’s personal life and his music ARE inseparable, not to say you can’t find merit in it besides that

*Sigh*

contrived
/kənˈtrʌJvd/
adjective
adjective: contrived

deliberately created rather than arising naturally or spontaneously.

—created or arranged in a way that seems artificial and unrealistic.

>Social drama literally translates to drama in society, but we usually refer to it — as indeed does Anthony in his review — in the context of/as occurring on social media

I'm glad you don't dispute my point that social drama is valid in our very social world

What Anthony is saying is that the social drama featured on MBDTF is contrived — where is the evidence for that?

all social drama is contrived. he doesn't need to have evidence for that, kanye's obnoxious shit was all over the media. what is he supposed to say? "i dont like his contrived social drama because it is contrived"

never said fantano wasnt a retard cocksucker with an invalid opinion and no credibility

>what is he supposed to say?
he's supposed to support his arguments to give his statements more validity since hes a CRITIC and wants to be treated as such and not some dipshit on the internet saying whatever.

i'll give you that.

Don't both Neely and contrapoints have relevant masters degrees? Hardly seems pseudy to me buddy.
I am now ready to be called a reddit fag, have fun.

Not all social drama is contrived

Let's go through it

While there is no accepted official dictionary definition of 'social drama,' the term is widely used to refer to drama occurring on social media

We know what social media is ("websites and applications that enable users to create and share content or to participate in social networking") — Facebook, Twitter etc

To the public perception, Kanye engages in social media most prominently through Twitter, so we can take 'social media' to mean Twitter

>So now we can take the definition (in this specific case) of "social drama" to mean "drama on Twitter"

So what's drama?

drama
/ˈdrɑːmə/
noun
noun: drama; plural noun: dramas

1.— the activity of acting.
"teachers who use drama are working in partnership with pupils"

2.— an exciting, emotional, or unexpected event or circumstance.
"a hostage drama"


Now, in this case we can't accept the first definition — referring to acting — since in his review Anthony uses the word 'contrived,' meaning "created or arranged in a way that seems artificial and unrealistic" — and what is acting if not artificial and unrealistic? If we were to accept definition 1, the descriptor would be rendered invalid and redundant

Since Anthony attached the descriptor 'contrived' to 'drama,' it is implied that the definition of drama should be "an exciting, emotional, or unexpected event or circumstance" — and this is generally accepted as the definition in relation to "social drama"

So now our definition, in this (Kanye's) case, of social drama is the following:

"An exciting, emotional, or unexpected event or circumstance occurring on Twitter"

— Anthony calls these exciting, emotional, or unexpected events "artificial and unrealistic" without any evidence or proof

He's making a point without any evidence, thereby rendering the point invalid

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>My one problem is I think someone would need to have some kind of interest in Kanye West as a person, or persona, to truly fall in love with this album. I, unfortunately, don't really care about the minor details of the guy's social life. He's got a lot of talent, but his relationships and various character flaws don't really pique my interest for the entire album. There are points where I can't help but cheer him on when he tells his personal tale of success, but I could take or leave the moments of contrived social drama.
The same idea of this can be said for countless albums he’s given high marks to