What should I get as my first synth?

what should I get as my first synth?

I don't want anything boutique or with mini keys. Dx7? casio cz?

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OP-1 is the best synth of the 2000s

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Are synths a meme or are they actually more fun or sound better compared to vsts

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>spend money on synth
no they are not meme they are superior!
>don't spend money on synth
yes they are meme just use vst duh!

Cz series is cool but I'm not sure how the prices are these days witb renewed interest in them. You also didn't state your purpose. Mono or poly, synthesis type and workflow/knobs should be the questions you ask yourself. I wouldn't get a synth like the dx7 that is painful to program without a computer as my first synth.

depends on the synth. some vsts are very close and others are no where near. but I don't think there's a single vst that is as good as it's synth counterpart

>if you have the means to sustain yourself
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yes
yes
>if youre a poorfag
yes
no
no

>Cz series
still havent blown up. maybe in a couple years, who knows. it all depends on what behringer is cooking.

When it comes to music creation, method/approach is just as important as is the actual sound that you hear on the surface. Having real equipment is a valuable resource that vsts can’t match.

That said though vsts are obviously valuable themselves, honestly in a perfect world a person could utilize both as they so choose.

I'll sustain myself with revenue from the music I make with the synths. haha haha haha haha haha haha haha

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It’s not an either/or, they are simply tools and you should use both

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this is likely what I'll end up with. would be nice to get something fresh out of the box also. but the cheaper retro options are very alluring

Okay you seem kinda smart. In terms of sound, will a physical synth actually make a difference? I've pirated omnisphere and it sounds pretty good desu

There's great VSTs and shite VSTs, that goes for physical synths too. Omnisphere is fine. Repro 5 is a great VST also. Personally I use a large amount of hardware, but there's a lot of gear with that extra magic that you don't get from VST.

>cheaper retro options are very alluring
forget about them, always a pain in the ass

Would you mind posting something you've made so I can get an idea

They sound much better. Unless you want the sound of VST. All VSTs sound the same at some textural level that's hard to describe. They lack dimensionality. Some newer digital hardware sounds like VST (Roland System synths for instance) but for the most part, even digital hardware has a sound that's unique in a way you can't replicate with VST and that I prefer hands down in most cases. Even crappy and cheap units I've owned have a kind of physicality and depth to the sound that VST does not.

imo don’t spend money on a hardware synth until you’re really familiar with the principles of synthesis. DX7 is a great synth but it’s a bitch to program compared to basically any fm vst. Also keep in mind the mariginal difference between sub-$1000 hardware synths and their vst counterparts is gonna be even less apparent when the sound is sitting in a mix. Also stay the fuck away from modular it’s a massive waste of time and money

lets stop calling softsynths VSTs

or just call them VSTi like they should be

Micro Korg is still better if you know how to program it.

>Also keep in mind the mariginal difference between sub-$1000 hardware synths and their vst counterparts is gonna be even less apparent when the sound is sitting in a mix

I understand that but it's as much a workflow thing as a sonic thing. trying to operate and map vsts in a smooth way with midi controllers is a pain in the ass for workflow.

I agree with not buying hardware until you understand synthesis but I disagree with this
>mariginal difference between sub-$1000 hardware synths and their vst counterparts
In my experience price has little to do with how "not like a VST" a hardware synth sounds. With digital hardware, the age of the synth correlates somewhat with how non-VST-like it sounds. With analog, almost none at any price point, with a couple exceptions, sound like VSTs.

I don't want the sound of VSTs. I can tell that what I make sounds computer generated, are hardware synths really that different? Also could you introduce me to some entry level synths? I'm in college so I'm not trying to drop a ton of dough

I’m not saying cheaper gear “sounds like a vst”, rather that the difference isn’t usually worth the huge price difference between like a sub phatty and monark if money is an issue. Hell I’ve got an OB-6 and I’d be a fucking liar if I said diva doesn’t come extremely close and the difference there is around $2500. That said I agree with , the immediacy of a good knob-per-function synth really can’t be beat. Is it worth the price? Idk.

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Yes they're very different with a few exceptions (Roland System, Roland Boutique, Yamaha reface series, some other newer digital hardware). Just look on craigslist for anything cheap made before like 2008. There are tons of 80's and 90's synths and ROMplers that go for cheap and sound very unique. Also there are a ton of good budget options that have come out in recent years - all the Behringer stuff, Modal Skulpt (new digital that doesn't sound like VST IMO), Arturia micro/minibrute (no reason to buy these considering the Behringer Model D, Neutron, etc, exist, but they were decent options before that). Just find whatever you can get cheap used and then look up demos on youtube to see what they sound like.