Who else has newly found an admiration for this band after watching The Dirt?

I've always loved Motley Crue. They rule, people who hate them are poseurs/fake rock fans/hipsters.

That being said the more I've learned about the band members personal lives is what made me dislike them a bit if anything, but not the music or the records. And the movie was alright, definitely not the true story but okay for a "Hollywood" version of it and was pretty ballsy to release in the SJW society.

I had the exact opposite experience. Fucking excruciating to watch. Worst thing is, the band were all involved with the movie.
This.

this is simply wrong. Use Your Illusion I and II will one day be recognized as masterpieces

They already are by anyone with taste.

It's just the sissies, nu males, and faggots who hate them...just like in the 90s.

Well immigrants and faggots, they make no sense to me

where did you old fucks come from

Your mother's bed.

Fuck the Dirt, when is this inevitable biopic coming out?

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i really enjoyed the movie. was a good decision to keep it mostly goofy and stupid.

Motley Crue are mostly goofy and stupid, and that's not a bad thing. People just don't know how to have fun anymore, probably because they've been taught that being joyless and pretending to be miserable ALL the time is what makes you seem interesting

Imagine having such shit ass taste lmao.

Based and redpilled.

Nah, movie was funny but they still suck.

Wrong. Girls Girls Girls and Dr. Feelgood are also good, so is some of their shit from the 90s and 00s, albeit less so.

Theatre Of Pain is their only truly shitty album from the 80's, which pretty much only sold millions of copies because of "Home Sweet Home" alone, and "Smoking In The Boys Room" which is admittedly one of the most obnoxious cover songs ever.

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I have a default admiration for metal bands and metalheads already. They have an unapologeticness and uncriticality that I think is vital and admirable and arrives at a state that those wrestling through stages of critique and irony must eventually arrive at anyway. They just let things be.

When I think of being a metalhead, I think of Napalm Death, Eyehategod, Godflesh, Behemoth, Motörhead, Celtic Frost... Mötley Crüe is pretty far from my mind when I think of that term. They're a perfectly competent hard rock band, but I've always thought calling them metal is quite a stretch

I have a newly found admiration for this band after watching:
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Always loved them, they are a lot of fun

This is exactly it. Motley are all about stupid, goofy fun, and not taking anything too seriously. People today can't understand

Napalm Death is grind, a punk sub genre. Every one of those bands comes from a niche extremist sub genre of metal aside from Motorhead who also have more in common with Crue than any of those bands.

Motley Crue is closer to Judas Priest than any of them, which is probably the best example of well known pure metal. Obviously, Motley Crue is "glam metal" which itself is more of a fusion genre, but it's closer to the pure idea of metal than anything in extreme genres or hardcore punk infused ones, which are very far from the original pure style of heavy metal music.

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>Napalm Death is grind, a punk sub genre
Only their first album is pure grindcore. Every single other album of theirs is either deathgrind or pure death metal, except for a brief groove metal period they had.

>Every one of those bands comes from a niche extremist sub genre of metal
I don't see how it disqualifies them from being metal, that they're in different kinds of extreme metal

>Motorhead who also have more in common with Crue
Wrong. Motorhead is pretty much the seed of all extreme metal because of the combination of Lemmy's guttural voice, strummed bass, and speed. Celtic Frost, Eyehategod, Behemoth, and Napalm Death are all extremely indebted to Motorhead's sound. Also, Celtic Frost had a brief glam metal phase

>Motley Crue is "glam metal" which itself is more of a fusion genre
It seems like their connection to 70s glam is extremely tenuous. Bands like Hanoi Rocks, Twisted Sister, and Quiet Riot are pretty clearly indebted to 70s glam, but Motley Crue seem to really be a continuation of the KISS/Aerosmith/Van Halen type of hard rock, and any connection they have with glam seems second hand, through those bands. I actually hear a lot more Sex Pistols-style punk in Motley Crue's sound than 70s glam. Motley Crue have always noted that they were extremely influenced by punk.

As for the thing about them being far from the original style, I strongly disagree. Eyehategod's intention from the get go was to combine Black Sabbath with hardcore. Godflesh's sound is extremely heavy, slow, and oppressive. A lot of Celtic Frost's stuff sounds very classically heavy metal - they were into post-punk and goth, but it seems like they only brought in those elements to accentuate the horror elements they'd learned from bands like Black Sabbath.

>They rule, people who hate them are poseurs/fake rock fans/hipsters.
Do you often resort to such dense, narrow minded antagonization in your daily basis?

That's more of a retroactive, extreme notion of metal. In its fuller life though it's encompassed a wider array of styles that blurred a bit with hard rock... and trad metal, proper heavy metal - Judas Priest, Accept, Citith Ungol, Dio, Metal Church, etc - is right in the middle of all that.

>When I think of being a metalhead, I think of Napalm Death, Eyehategod, Godflesh, Behemoth
These are the first four bands that you think of?
You were born in the 90s or later.

I was born in '89
Those aren't the first bands I think of, but those are bands I like, so they're examples of the types of bands I think of. The first bands I think of as metal are bands like Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, and maybe Saint Vitus since they're such a faithful continuation of the Sabbath sound. But I know you're just a Motley Crue fan I upset, so you're trying to dig at me.

'89 is close enough. You only know what you've read. Stop talking about things you only know of second hand.
I'm not a MC fan.

Yes you are. I've seen lots of metal bands live, including some "classic" bands like Enslaved. There's no virtue in you being alive when earlier metal bands were young.

that song Home Sweet Home was amazingly popular with white trash and had a lot of crossover with the rednecks who only listened to country music as well

Mick Mars is a cool fuckin dude. Fun band. This has me dying youtu.be/fL6uYfOBx4E

it sounds like Vince Neil is doing karaoke. Good commercial against alcoholism.

>I've seen lots of metal bands live, including some "classic" bands
You've probably given your money to me already.
Cry me a river.

You're probably so senile you think that makes sense.

You should die faster, you sad old man.

Def Leppard did it all earlier and better desu

true x1000000

>Only their first album is pure grindcore.
Fair enough, Though I'm not a huge fan I do know they switched their style quite a bit, but their roots were grind.
>I don't see how it disqualifies them from being metal, that they're in different kinds of extreme metal
It doesn't.
>Wrong. Motorhead is pretty much the seed of all extreme metal because of the combination of Lemmy's guttural voice, strummed bass, and speed.
In a way, but Motorhead were most certainly not "extreme metal" themselves, they wrote a lot of hooky catchy rock songs and had a fun party attitude a lot of the time, despite playing it faster and being ugly gruff dudes.
>It seems like their connection to 70s glam is extremely tenuous. Bands like Hanoi Rocks, Twisted Sister, and Quiet Riot are pretty clearly indebted to 70s glam, but Motley Crue seem to really be a continuation of the KISS/Aerosmith/Van Halen type of hard rock
This all gets very tricky once we get into 70's rock, because bands like a KISS for example themselves were influenced by Slade and The Sweet. Also yes Crue specifically had a snotty punk influence, not so much glam metal as a whole.

Also, my point really is just this, and you're welcome to disagree....I can put "Dr. Feelgood" "Shout At The Devil" on a playlist with "The Ripper" and "Jawbreaker" and then throw in "Born To Raise Hell" and "Deaf Forever" and feel like it all meshes fairly well....can't do that with Behemoth or Godflesh.

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>can't do that with Behemoth or Godflesh
I disagree, but only slightly. Your perspective is fair enough

I would tend to agree Def Leppard is better than Motley Crue, but I also see them as having extremely different vibes. One is not a replacement for the other, in my opinion.

How would you characterize their vibes? I'm not that into both bands, only heard a couple of albums from each.

Well for one motley crue leaned more towards are harder sound and image while def leppard wrote insanely catchy and well produced pop rock. You can see and hear the differences just by listening to them.

Basically this They have similarities sure, in that they can both be lumped in as fellow "80s arena rockers", but yeah Motley Crue to me is bit more rougher around the edges, Def Leppard is like the gold standard for glossy pop production in hard rock. Def Leppard were much better musicians I would say but nobody listens to Motley Crue for their chops (Mainly Nikki who wrote all the songs and was a pretty basic musician and Vince who's never been technically stellar at singing), they've always been sloppy and just slightly punky and that's part of the appeal.

>hey boys, let's be nine inch nails!

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We don't need Twitter to cancel Zeppelin after learning Page was fucking 13 year olds

Def Leppard were perfectionists. Motley Crue were kind of the opposite.

>“Let me tell you something. No matter what you hear man, people are judged, one by one man. You don’t judge a whole fu??ing race of people. Ever. Alright. There’s fu??ing white ni??ers, black ni??ers and red ni??ers motherfu??ers. It ain’t no fu??ing race thing it’s an a??hole thing.”

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the audience guy might've deserved it, but stuff like this always makes me kind of flash back to a really negative experience I had.

At a Gogol Bordello show, there were some guys jumping around and semi-moshing. One stumbled hard into me, and I stumbled backwards. I didn't fall on anyone, but I stumbled pretty far. Then this girl grabbed my hair and started screaming at me. I flipped her off, and she said I fell on her friend. I didn't fall, but I said I had no idea, and she said to watch where I was going. I didn't bother explaining that a guy had fallen on me.

One of the women in Gogol Bordello pointed at me and said something to Eugene Hütz, the singer. I just stood there staring up as I think Hütz was considering calling me out. I just stood there and looked him straight in the eyes, and he decided not to say anything. Then this woman tried to pull the button off my coat, and a guy said "nice suit" because I was wearing a peacoat, but it was freezing and snowing outside. I was about 19.

That memory still makes me angry.

motley crue and glam metal in general really wasn't worse than what was on the radio in the 90's. goo goo dolls, hootie and the blowfish, all that shitty acoustic rock adult contemporary whatever.. that stuff deserves to be forgotten forever.

Most people who hate it don't even know anything about it, they just heard Nirvana/Soundgarden or Metallica/Slayer talk badly about it and so they repeat the sentiments.

About the only genuine truth to the hate campaign on it is probably that yeah, it died in the mainstream because it got oversaturated and labels pushed bands to follow a formula after a while. But that happens to pretty much any musical scene that gets any level of mainstream popularity.

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Topkek

No, but i like them well enough. Theyre one of the few redeemable hair metal bands.

It wasn't a guy in the audience, was a security guard who apparently was being rough with the audience

I guess that was an issue in the 80s and 90s, because I feel like I've seen multiple bands back then flip out over that....personally I've been to lots of shows big and small and never got fucked with by security.

Hi Vince

>goo goo dolls, hootie and the blowfish
I unironically added songs from these bands to my workout playlist recently

I used to think that when I was younger. The more I've listened to other bands in the style big and small I've learned there's lots of good shit from that scene, lots of it pretty different too stylistically which is funny because people always say it all sounded the same.

Example, Stryper. A band I used to mock for years because I heard they were Christian and threw bibles at the audience in some VH1 doc, and they do look like prissy fags, but they unironically have good music and is not really in the Motley Crue/Ratt/Poison sleaze rock vein.

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YOU KNOW I'M A DREAMERRRRRRRRRRR

Never really liked hair metal and I never watched the documentary but Motley Crue were one of the few hair bands that I tolerated and maybe even enjoyed.

dude, appetite is one of the best albums of all time

could say the same thing as modern day edm? seeing tiesto?

There are some groups of people who will never be able to accept an album like that, especially in the current climate where those groups make up way too much of the youth population.

What's sad/ironic is, the very few of them who ever will have or raise kids, are going to have those kids rebel so hard against them.

Eh, there's nothing edgy about Tiesto. I have nothing against EDM personally and like some of it so this aint a diss but yeah no, it's not the same thing as rock n' roll energy. That kind of edm scene is more comparable to the disco scene than any rock scene. Just as wild in terms of drugs, but way more normie filled and socially accepted.

Ya I guess in edm too the artists don't emphasize how fucked up they are

Motley Crue had some great songs, like Kickstart My Heart and Dr. Feelgood. But Vince Neil is a really weak vocalist, and they do seem to symbolize a lot of the problems with glam metal - the mixed quality songs, the weak pop, the nihilistic druggy excess, the consumerism and materialism.

I think glam metal deserves pretty much all the criticism it gets. At the same time, I also think it's unfairly dismissed, because there were a lot of amazing bands like Twisted Sister, WASP, Mother Love Bone, Hanoi Rocks, Ratt, Whitesnake, Guns N' Roses, Slaughter, Faster Pussycat, and Quiet Riot. I'm not including Def Leppard because I've never really considered them glam metal, but they're probably one of the best hard rock bands of all time. Mötley Crüe might be the key glam metal band, but to my ears, they just aren't as good as those bands. That said, they're still a lot better than the wimpy late 80s pop metal bands that really killed the genre, like Dokken, Tesla, and Bon Jovi.

The only good Motley Crue album to be honest.

>I think glam metal deserves pretty much all the criticism it gets.
Disagree completely
>I also think it's unfairly dismissed, because there were a lot of amazing bands like Twisted Sister, WASP, Mother Love Bone, Hanoi Rocks, Ratt, Whitesnake, Guns N' Roses, Slaughter, Faster Pussycat, and Quiet Riot.
Somewhat agree, I consider Hanoi Rocks mostly more straight up glam rock than anything metallic. Mother Love Bone is cool but weird, not really the same flavor but still "glammy", Whitesnake mostly fell into the style and were much older, and Quiet Riot I think is kind of a dud band...they have a couple great songs (metal health is probably one of the best metal songs of any genre) but I find them to be kind of a mostly filler band. Slaughter and Faster Pussycat are great bands no matter how you wanna slice it or label them.
> I'm not including Def Leppard because I've never really considered them glam metal, but they're probably one of the best hard rock bands of all time.
Agree, Def Leppard was not only a lot older than glam metal was really a thing, but they were from the same circle of bands like Iron Maiden, they went for the American rock crowd rather than pander to the NWOBHM crowd but that was where they started, and even on a superficial level their image was never extremely glam.
>Mötley Crüe might be the key glam metal band, but to my ears, they just aren't as good as those bands.
Eh, I think Motley Crue has a special appeal and some really good stuff. Like pointed out in this thread, they had more of a punkish thing...they kind of sucked, but it worked for them and added to their reckless attitude.
>That said, they're still a lot better than the wimpy late 80s pop metal bands that really killed the genre, like Dokken, Tesla, and Bon Jovi.
Dokken is unironically great in my opinion, I mean can you say this kind of musicianship is bad?
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Dokken could fucking rip

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This song wasn't too bad
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This was a funny show
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Sounds pretty bad to me but that whole "post grunge" style just ain't my thing. I completely forgot that even existed to be honest....what an identity crisis he was going through, that, Methods Of Mayhem, Jesus.

On the flipside, I do remember this and thought it was pretty cool. I feel like the only person who had this album though.

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The true evolution of glam metal, would have been better than GnR had they actually stayed together to keep making music and evolve.

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Looks like a fuckin walrus

I enjoyed the movie.

I listened to their first 4 “good” albums.

All their songs suck except “Show Goes On”

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