I don't know if it's close to what Scriabin would have played, but Sofronitsky is alright. I used to like him more than I do now. His recordings can be pretty variable. Shitty iron curtain quality and garbage keyboard tuning persists in a lot of his stuff, unfortunately. Honestly, I'd rather just take Zhukov's first set overall. Hamelin's quite good insofar as virtuosity is concerned. He's especially good in the 5th sonata, but interpretation wise he can be a bit boring. Too polite. It's a shame because he's a fantastic player. I usually only listen to him in demanding, virtuoso pieces. Furt is really one of the best conductors of all time, but I don't really care for his Beethoven too much like some do. Well, outside of the 5th. It's in Bruckner, Brahms, and Wagner where Furt shines the most. His wartime recording of Bruckner's 5th is honestly the greatest that exists - and I'm not usually one to take such dramatic positions. He owns that piece.
Be wary of his post-1950s recordings. They can be quite variable. His famous Tristan, for example, is not nearly as exciting as his live recording of it made years prior.
What does taste even mean back then? He never even heard of Zelenka for instance. Taste is only relevant in the late romantic period because by then you have a wide range of known composers.
Parker Russell
imagine listening to Haydn when Mozart Beethoven and Brahms exist LOL
If trinity does not mean favorites then what is it? The favorites of music scholars?
Kayden Richardson
What does it mean then? Like the most important? I guess the only composers that people should consider then would be Bach, Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven and Schönberg.
Charles Cooper
>Schönberg Yup, he is not there and will never be there
Quite the contrary, Wagner's music is quite sublime
Brody Hall
Am I a brainlet? I really liked this cello concerto, and thought it was certainly memorable, but this review says it is bland. Is atonal truly the masterrace or is this review just pretentious?
Dude wtf Why do you care about the opinion of this random nobody?
Joshua Watson
orchestral suites>ballet suites
Cooper Diaz
mahler shostakovich wienberg
Ayden Walker
I want to know if I have a good opinion or not :(
Michael Moore
Scriabin Scriabin Scriabin
Dylan Rodriguez
So wtf happened after verismo and Puccini? Don't they train the young to write new stuff? Not a single premiere in the past half a century that would equal anything from that period.
taste in his own art is what it means people say things about schubert like "he never wrote a wrong note." I'm not sure I would be so generous to his sonatas, but his songwriting was really first rate
Samuel Martin
does anybody have the sheet music to these?
Ian Ortiz
yes
Robert Long
link? I would very much like to study these and do not have access to a university library
Choose one or several reasons: >lazy opera directors programming the same 20 operas over and over again and basically ignoring the 20th century that isn't Strauss or Puccini >avantgarde bullying composers into an unpopular style >two world wars fucking things up >nazis and fascist regimes in Europe killing promising composers because they were 1/16th Jewish and banning their works >your own ignorance of 20th century composers >American culture
Based answer. Thank you. I like the operas of the Viennese boys and some of the modernist Russians, but that's it. As far as Italy is concerned, do you know anything that is good and goes beyond the la giovane scuola?
Brody Reyes
Based
Carter Taylor
I have heard most of Yoshimatsu works and he is fairly interesting but not a master.
Alexander Nguyen
Based and orgiasticpilled
Wyatt Carter
Italian opera? Post WW II we are blessed with the likes Nono, Berio and Sciarrino. So the answer is no. But there are Dallapiccola, Busoni and Wolf-Ferrari worth checking out. Poulenc is French, but he premiered Les dialogues des Carmelites in Italian language at la Scala.
I haven't listened to this guy, but most of the contemporary classical that I've heard that tried to be more accessible ends up just sounding pretty, shiny and banal, without the substance that made the actual classics great.
That first movement is so damn good. Too bad the whole thing drags for so fucking long.
Bentley Miller
What composers are similar to Wagner's style? There is a grandeur to it that brings me so much joy when listening. I've listened to some other Romantic era composers, certainly not all, and though I love the likes of Ravel it's not on the same wavelength as Wagner. My apologies if this is a stupid question, I love classical music but am not that knowledgeable about it. Another thing - I like his American Centennial March a lot - why are the few Youtube uploads of it full of comments tearing it apart? Am I just a music pleb? It sounds great to me.
Camden King
Bruckner
Blake Flores
I heard his horn concerto live. Surprisingly not bad. In this world where Hans Z*mmer is the central influence on soundtrack composition, guys like Williams should be appreciated.
Julian Bell
Music is never great when it's conditioned by the idiotic visions of a ruler.
Wagner is fucking awful.
Michael Morris
I don't respect cucks, sorry.
Hunter Ward
Bruckner and Mahler were both obsessed with Wagner, the first still fits into late romanticism while Mahler has one foot firmly in the 20th century and modernism already. Both generally wanted to do with symphonies what Wagner did with opera i.e. metaphysical/transcendent art that would elevate humanity to a higher level or some shit. Bruckner even taught Mahler for a while and the latter was also a big fan of Brahms and his variational motivic development.
As for piano music, Scriabin is an obvious Wagnerian disciple, especially shown with his longing and joyous 4th sonata which is brimming with the influence of Tristan. youtube.com/watch?v=lQabCdxJ6DM
Wyatt Hughes
>Wagner is fucking awful. He asked for similar composers, not your shitty opinion.
lmao are you implying Mahler wasn't a modernist? He's literally one of the first alongside Wagner's Tristan, Debussy, Wolf and Strauss. Have a read about modernism and his music, please.
Well, Krauts know that Wagner was objectively as important as any other big composer and influenced generations of composers, much like Beethoven, they don't necessarily like him though. Anglos are just bitter that they don't have any relevant composers after the baroque era.
Eli White
I haven't listened to his cello concerto but Yoshimatsu is generally kind of meh.
Jonathan Perry
>blessed >Nono Lol.
Michael Reyes
Okay guys, there are the three pieces I recorded in the concert.
-Prelude and death by love from Wagner's "Tristand und Isolde" -Horn Concerto "Connection" -Orchestral Fragments from Wagner's "twilight of the gods"
Performers: National Orchestra of Spain conducted by Josep Pons. Salvador Navarro as the horn soloist.
Parker Cook
dear classfags does someone have good stuff on Vivaldi that isnt basic bitch pleb shit? would prefer in the format of straight download or youtube cheers
Well, people are not born knowing everything there is to know about classical music, have you ever thought that there might be beginners in this thread? Shocking, I know.
Chase Clark
I know and I don't give a single fuck for them
Isaiah Taylor
Oooh. Too bad. Even late Beethoven ? Basically everything from op101 to his death ?
Brayden Price
Yeah, thanks, I think they also don't give a fuck for an idiot like you.
Andrew Garcia
They would if they knowed who I am
Bentley Long
They're two of the most important composers in history. Josquin des Prez is a very important figure in renaissance and Monteverdi is the most relevant transitional figure between the renaissance and baroque. Do your research, man.
Brayden Jackson
Based.
Ryder Turner
>knowed No one you know you until you learn how to write 'knew' correctly.
Colton Nelson
>not realizing user was trolling because he doesn't like Monteverdi and Renaissance sacred music Embarrassing reddit posting
Sebastian Jones
>No one you know you lol
Andrew Sanchez
This is just E P I C
Grayson Nelson
I was laughing so hard at his mistake that I mixed the words 'you' and 'will', not a grammatical mistake like his though.
Ryder Kelly
Made it through the Tristan. It's played in a lightweight and transparent fashion, that's what I like. The recording quality is super clean and it's really fresh stuff basically from this weekend. Horn concerto reminds me of Shoshtakovitch mixed with the intro of Batman so far, but it's well crafted.
Xavier Ross
>trolling No, I just didn't know them.
David Perez
Glad to know you liked it, I recorded it because the horn concerto was a premiere and in those days, new works are forgotten after the premiere most of the times. Please tell me your impressions after the concerto and the wagner orchestral fragments
overall impression: positive, I enjoyed the concert positive: -high quality playing of the orchestra -lightweight and transparent sound, that I prefer -the concert is serious music and a real showcase for the horn, it deserves the name horn concerto -it's a well crafted piece and accessible to a broader audience weak points: -the concerto is a mix of different styles, not all ideas work out -it sure doesn't lack the late romantic sweetness of film music, something that you have to like
I laughed at the Brucknerian ending of the concerto. Here and there it was a bit Hollywood music and a mix of different styles. It lacks having a message, it was more a showcase. I assume that it was technically pretty demanding for the horn player, so it fulfills the cause of the work. There are orchestras out there that are looking for new pieces that are tonal and late romantic in style, so there could be demand for this work. Götterdämmerung was a bit too clean for me, it lacked the drama. I blame it partially for being an orchestral suite, where the singers are lacking.
Austin Scott
>Beethoven garbage. When a literal DEAF MAN is one of the best three composers you name, then you should realize your taste sucks.
Anthony Gray
Give Classical music to play in the background music while watching slow-motion footage of the Twin Towers going down.
Berg's Wozzeck is pretty much a continuation of what Wagner laid out for opera. i.e. an integration of classical symphonic form / technique into a dramatic narrative that is entirely unobtrusive and yet easy to perceive if you know about it. Berg was a huge Wagnerfag overall, his first opus practically screams that.
I feel that it's also from a philosophical point of view something that matters - he was extremely conscious of his place in history as a composer, something pretty much all other modernist composers would be as well.
Andrew Jones
Satie certainly isn't a A-list composer. however, a lot of his pieces are short (important) and structurally easy to understand (melody over clear arppeggios/accompaniement), so it makes them a good gateway to classical music because they resemble pop music songs.
For me, it was Chopin. Now, i can't beat to listen to a single nocturne.
Matthew Reyes
So my dad is saying the audio quality from CDs are better than cloud files from sites like Spotify. Is this true or is it complete boomer BS.
Jose Lopez
Hi. The first modernist piece in history is Beethoven's Great Fugue. Bye.
Well if you like the way Beethoven crowns his quartet with the fugue (which can be analyzed as 4 mvt piece itself), try listening to op 131.
In this one, the fugue is the 1st movement and serve as the harmonic generative principle of the rest of the quartet. Every tonality that the fugue "visits" will then be the keys of the following mvts.
Zachary Morales
I miss you.
Wyatt Clark
guido of arezzo? franco of cologne? loads of other older fellas
Noah Reyes
if you seem him tell him to stop messing around with the second sonata
Anthony Butler
Because his contemporaries did too.
We also refer to Leonin and Perotin by their first names.
Owen Adams
Thanks, but I've already listened to all of his string quartets. I love all of the late ones.
No no, I'm just gonna spend some time with Boulez, figuratively speaking. Damn, do I miss the man. Soon there will be no pre-war musicians left and all we will have anymore will be former pupils and students of some literal whos. I think I'll start with his orchestral stuff and the move backwards to his earlier recordings like the sonatas.
You guys ever listen to Faure? I've just recently started to listen to classical music seriously and i must say that i like his music a lot. Especially the Requiem
My fav Boulez works are Rituel in memoriam and Incises I think his whole composer career is a redemption arc, he became a decent almost good composer in his late years
His Requiem and most of his songs are quite good. Don't care for much else, though. I like his students more (Ravel, Enescu, Boulanger)
Dylan Scott
Early Boulez is an extremely hard serialist. He lightened up a lot as he got older. The Rituel in particular is a strong, meditative piece.
Sebastian Allen
Got a question about stringed instruments. Is there a name of style or technique that creates the more haunting sounds strings make. Almost like dissonance, has an almost disturbed sound to it and for some reason feels very Victorian, fuck knows why
Retarded Didn't even read it but I know he thinks Parsifal is Wagner's worst opera somehow
Bentley Jackson
yeah, that's why most important old world's composers all moved to the States.
Charles Williams
Basic
Christopher Young
>your own ignorance of 20th century composers You just said they were bullied into composing in an unpopular style, how can I be blamed for not knowing them if they deliberately expressed themselves in a manner I dislike
Everyone that tried to copy Wagner fucked it up just like everyone that tried to copy Beethoven Except Berg like another user said but you may not like him
Leo Torres
Good for starters. Based Schubert's quintet and Shostakovich's 15th symphony.
Connor Walker
Have you accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior?
>Quatuor Pour La Fin Du Temps >not Des canyons aux étoiles...
Henry Evans
>If not, why? I thought most educated people know that Kant explained in detail why the exercise of transcendental reason doesn't depend on theatrical gestures such as "accepting Jesus" three centuries ago.
Carmen? The overture is damn near one of the best ever. L'amour aria is also very good.
Sebastian Peterson
I read somewhere that Bach knew he'd die before he finished the Art of Fugue so he asked for an organ transcription of Komm Susser Tod to be played as the ending piece. How true is that youtube.com/watch?v=cSUPg9ITne8
I can sing. In fact I can hit all the notes in Siegfried's forging song
Eli Peterson
>FUCK CHROMATICISM
So what? You're just going to listen to Ockeghem from now on?
Anthony Hill
I can sing. In fact I can hit all the notes in Seinfeld's opening song
Jaxon Lee
Nothing but Debussy and Dukas.
Jonathan Parker
Where did you read that? Glass and Reich, both are far more reddit than him.
Isaac Martin
On some weird website with a beige background like an year ago
Lucas Ortiz
Zappa
Austin Davis
pleb
Justin Campbell
Sounds interesting. I'll see if I can find anything about it. It makes sense to me that he knew he was going to die but I don't know about the rest of the story.
Jordan Hughes
Good luck pal
Nicholas Long
someone wrote a doctoral thesis that claimed that he intentionally left it unfinished because he wanted to encourage people to complete it, wikipedia has the source i think
Luke Martinez
Yes I know about that one but I'm thinking of something else
Chopin. Im not saying im don't like him, his music just doesn't appeal to me the same way it did when i first started to explore classical music after lisztening to his nocturne op. 9 no. 2
