I don't understand. Kurt was a deeply troubled soul whose suicide and self-destructive behavior was the result of years of depression and physical ailment. He loathed fame because his depression made him insular and distraught. He also clearly had aspergers and was highly intelligent; his lyrics reflect real feelings of depression and anger at the world around him.
Meanwhile all these SoundClowns are literal oafs. 95% of them rely on social media antics rather than music to gain instant popularity. Their lyrics are always fake deep, pseudo intellectual ("we live in a society vro") and otherwise nonsensical. Oh hell most of them can't even speak proper English much less enunciate their words. Plus there's no way codeine and percocet are anywhere close to heroin in terms of potency or how it kills you meaning all these clowns are a bunch of pussies.
I really don't see how anyone could compare Denzel and Kurt
James Parker
It's not just him but X, Juice WRLD, fucking Jumex keep claiming they're "just like Kurt".
Justin Watson
Yes and it makes no sense.
Kurt: >was genuinely troubled >was addicted to heroin >didn't like the media
Soundclowns: >love life >take prescription opiates just for the social media spectacle >love the media and crave its attention
Liam Gutierrez
Should also mention Kurt had two(?) suicide attempts. When was the last time any one of these losers attempted to off themselves?
Brandon Torres
Xans and Percs sedate you m8.
No reason to think these guys are perfectly okay of their drugs of choice are made specifically to reduce pain and feelings of suffering.
Jeremiah Perry
Yes, everyone with half a fucking brain knows what you're saying is true; can't you see the world is full of retards and that's why those apes get famous in the first place? Stop being dumb.
David Morgan
They brag about using painkillers recreationally because they have the money. Heroin is for proles, percs are for people with cash.
Because he is the most recent A-list rockstar (that isn't some neutered coldplay imagine dragons shit) so they name drop him to say they're like rockstars
Aaron Morris
This. It's why there's an opioid epidemic in the first place.
American healthcare is a racket.
Aaron Parker
youtube.com/watch?v=cYOmOEg_nvI Ayy, ayy, ayy, ayy Cobain crazy, feeling wavy Smoke with demons make me wavy Never wake up, world we hating Never wake up, world we hating Smokin' propane with the demons Purp in cup, that's a liter Going crazy, life's wavy Open cut with new Mercedes Favorite shit is isolating Favorite sip is isolating Favorite shit is isolating Favorite shit is isolating Favorite shit is isolating Favorite shit is isolating There is no way to escape Hating your mate, putting a gun to your face
Adrian Brown
So they're trying to coat-tail off his image?
Samuel James
Well also the fact there’s a whole legend behind him.
Adam Rivera
This.
Colton Martinez
cause kurt cobain is the most iconic representation of a self-musican? like all of you already knew this obvious ass answer you niggas just wanna circlejerk about how out of touch you choose to be
Leo Green
aaaah FUCK *self-destructive musician
Jaxson Hill
Yeah Kurt’s whole image was a meme.
Tyler Evans
He an hero’d due to his addiction which started due to stomach pains.
The idea he was ”deeply troubled and self destructive” is a myth.
Cooper Hill
Doesn't matter the truth, we're talking about the myth and legend
Blake Green
Witness, for instance, the establishment of settled 'alternative' or 'independent' cultural zones, which endlessly repeat older gestures of rebellion and contestation as if for the first time. 'Alternative' and 'independent' don't designate something outside mainstream culture; rather, they are styles, in fact the dominant styles, within the mainstream. No-one embodied (and struggled with) this deadlock more than Kurt Cobain and Nirvana. In his dreadful lassitude and objectless rage, Cobain seemed to give wearied voice to the despondency of the generation that had come after history, whose every move was anticipated, tracked, bought and sold before it had even happened. Cobain knew that he was just another piece of spectacle, that nothing runs better on MTV than a protest against MTV; knew that his every move was a cliche scripted in advance, knew that even realizing it is a cliche. The impasse that paralyzed Cobain is precisely the one that Jameson described: like postmodern culture in general, Cobain found himself in 'a world in which stylistic innovation is no longer possible, where all that is left is to imitate dead styles, to speak through the masks and with the voices of the styles in the imaginary museum'. Here, even success meant failure, since to succeed would only mean that you were the new meat on which the system could feed. But the high existential angst of Nirvana and Cobain belongs to an older moment; what succeeded them was a pastiche-rock which reproduced the forms of the past without anxiety.
He was the last of the 20th Century style of Rockstars. The last of what we actually think of when we think of that term. I'm not even a fan, but I recognize he was the End
Ryan Perry
Based critical theorist.
Thomas Price
Basically Although maybe Liam Gallagher, but Oasis stopped being huge outside the UK after only like a year
Eli Perry
you look like you're being raped by the devil
Matthew Carter
Billie is quite literally this.
Parker Ramirez
That's an interesting point about how the establishment always commodifies counter cultural/alternative movements and incorporates them into the popular culture/market system. Any genuine reaction against the entrenched system that gains grassroots traction eventually gets absorded into it and it's essence watered down into easily marketable tropes rather than genuine expression or innovation.
Yes there’s NOTHING sexual about a black man in his mid 20s who was socialized in a literal rape culture befriending a teenage white girl.
Landon White
1. >calling Kurt intelligent >praising him for failing a suicide attempt 2. >praising suicide??? 3. >praising kokaine addicition?
I get that x and denzel don't make much sense to be compared to kurt. And you have the right to think that x/denzel/anyone you like is disingenious. But right now you are being cringetards and seem to have just stepped out of a rage comic
Kayden Rogers
Also someone post the coffee gif. You know Billie has also drunk a few cups of curry sauce.
Jeremiah Cook
Not even close. Industry plant.
William Richardson
They all gon die lol
Zachary Sanchez
Kurt was a shitty musician that became famous because angsty teens relate to him and he was attractive for the fan girls, the music is the simplest shit
Camden Garcia
>St Vincent
NOOOOOOOO Annie!!!!
Cooper Ramirez
Nice conjecture.
Sebastian Clark
I think in Curry’s case he was trying to use Kurt’s image as a metaphor for how much pressure the industry placed on its artists who then end up self-destructing.
Ryder Powell
get fukt idiot
Ayden Thomas
His lyrics were much better than “xans and lean xans and lean aye aye aye”.
Charles Carter
If Denzel is Kurt, Billie is Courtney if you catch my drift.
Matthew Ward
remember that time you were flayed?
Anthony Bailey
>metaphor Holy shit can he be more pretentious?
Xavier Myers
Lol most SoundCloud rap doesn’t even sound like this.
Michael Bailey
Imagine Billie Eilish being the Denzel's Courtney
Asher Williams
It’s already happening.
She will destroy him (God forbid). I can tell. He needs to find someone better.
Cooper King
>I don't understand. X was a deeply troubled soul whose suicide and self-destructive behavior was the result of years of depression and physical ailment. He loathed fame because his depression made him insular and distraught. He also clearly had aspergers and was highly intelligent; his lyrics reflect real feelings of depression and anger at the world around him.
>Meanwhile all these grunge "mucisians" are literal oafs. 95% of them rely on media antics rather than music to gain instant popularity. Their lyrics are always fake deep, pseudo intellectual ("he likes to shoot his gun but he don't know what it means") and otherwise nonsensical. Oh hell most of them can't even speak proper English much less enunciate their words. Plus there's no way heroin and acid are anywhere close to the stress of living in the hood in terms of detrament or how it kills you meaning all these clowns are a bunch of pussies.
Alexander Reyes
based
Jose Mitchell
Except X was a sociopath who threatened to rape his gf with a bbq fork:
Angel Gray
Kurt was the blueprint for the modern idea of the rockstar as a troubled soul who is constantly on the verge of suicide, but who is only cooler for that fact. It's not surprising then that he's become a shortcut to signal to people how fucking crazy and rocknroll you are.
Cameron Campbell
Source?
Henry Baker
>using good literary technique makes one a "pretentious faggot" now
Dominic Anderson
What are you on about? There is no connection between the two... is there?
Jackson Thomas
I am almost 100% certain Billie is using and abusing Denzel for the sake of credibility. No one in hip hop gave a shit about her until she started palling around with Denzel and also X, whom she made a huge deal about being his "special friend". Keep in mind, Denzel is also white-knighting her, so it could also be she's using him as a proverbial shield.
Billie is a literal clout demon.
Brody Jones
i hope you know you're literally describing the theme of denzel's song. hence the clown outfit.
Nicholas Young
She's 17 not 7. Legal in most of America or Europe. What's the big deal ?
Jayden Rodriguez
I didn't realize they knew each other. Makes me mad somehow since I actually like Curry.
David Smith
She had an uncredited feature on one of the best songs on Ta13oo too. Granted, you can't really hear her due to her mediocre vocal abilities. youtube.com/watch?v=8TCrqTL5STg
He's also going on tour with her as her opening act.
Sebastian Perez
>accusing someone who was molested as a child of molesting a child Don't.
This DESU.
Christopher Long
She's the backing vocal to the chorus I take it?
Parker Price
Kurt was a fag
Isaac Myers
Yes.
Gavin Thomas
He was bi.
Alexander James
Kurt was also fake deep.
Samuel Ross
Bit that’s usually how it happens.
Anthony Foster
It's still fucked to make assertions without evidence.
Christopher King
This I wouldn't be shocked if Billie's fucked a rapper but I honestly don't think Denzel's doing it, there's no reason to believe that
Eli Howard
It was a fool move. He was doing so good too.
Looks like my favorite guy is Future now.
Jeremiah Smith
I thought Rome was his only attempt?
Ryder Edwards
I interpreted it as the industry and social media compelling SoundCloud rappers to behave like dumbasses and subsequently drive themselves into the ground for the sake of publicity and selling records.
Jaxson Myers
Why are niggers obsessed with anime?
Gabriel Powell
DONT. YOU. DARE!!!!!!!!
Ryan Murphy
I've noticed that too. Soundclowns are always using anime imagery, comparing themselves to DBZ characters, etc.
Daniel Flores
Afro Samurai
Asher Jones
Lots of naruto and monogatari lmao. Good taste bois
lmao dbz character are literally based off the aryan race
Jackson Mitchell
Isn't DBZ based off of Japanese religion?
Andrew Ross
It makes me sad thinking Billie and her career will metaphorically fuck him when he's such a great artist, and a much better lyricist than she could dream of being.
Leo Cooper
Probably because the intended demographic for these artists are a bunch of kids with older siblings who listened to Nirvana. A lot of kids look up to their older siblings and get a lot of their taste in music from them. It's just marketing basically. Compare yourself to artists the "cool older brother" would have listened to so you can snatch up the younger sibling sales.
This is way too cartoonish. They admire Kurt because they relate to his general despair - "I'm just like Kurt Cobain, he said 'fuck it' and I want to say 'fuck it' as well because fuck this shitty world". It's pretty difficult to be happy in capitalism today. I mean, there's a reason why it's a trend to be depressed and emotional.
Daniel Rogers
Denzel talked about that. He said that in the way that Wu-Tang sampled and referenced old Eastern films because many in the community had watched them growing up, they use anime since it's the closest equivalent for his generation.
Sebastian Myers
but kanye has good taste and likes ghibli and akira
Asher Bell
Unpopular opinion:
I think Courtney and Hole were musically superior to Kurt and Nirvana.
Carter Richardson
There's no reason to assume that. There is no indication that is anything serious there or that he would make detrimental career decisions based on her.
Dylan Myers
Capitalist Realism: Is There No Alternative? by Mark Fisher
Daniel Reyes
He makes loud, chaotic "trap" music. She makes ASMR Lorde-ripoff pop. Musically the two are like day and night, fire and ice, lemon juice and milk.
Caleb Rogers
What's your point?
Ryan Young
I'm agreeing with you.
Ryder Collins
Ah, sorry.
Alexander Ward
Kurt was pretty upbeat and social in his personal life. He didn't talk about anything negative in interviews if I remember correctly. In no way was he this dark, angsty, "imma kill myself" straight-out-of-modernist-literature guy everyone "remembers" him as being.
Blake Lopez
Speaking of which, does anyone have that interview of Denzel's where he talks about Kurt? I forget the title.
I think Denzel is probably the happiest of all them, at least publically. He claims not to even drink or use drugs.
Colton Lopez
He's a recovering alcoholic/addict IIRC.
Henry Hill
X is kinda similar to Kurt desu
William Ross
Alcoholic maybe. I think he said he just used to smoke pot though.
Christian Baker
Lil peep died age 21 X died age 20
Both were suicidal. Lil peep first song sampled giles corey. X was in jail most of his life and use to slash his wrists. Plus made a lot of acoustic music and loved nirvana.
its not a far off comparison ... and talking about lyrics whilst mentioning cobain is stupid, he wrote like a 6 year old.
Gavin Clark
He said in his Breakfast Club interview he used to be a heavy drinker but quit.
Jeremiah Gonzalez
Nirvana to me will always sound like discount Pixies.
Jackson Mitchell
>implying Denzel is a soundcloud rapper let alone a drug addict
Lol, he doesn’t even drink or do drugs but okay!
Logan Cook
>Oh hell most of them can't even speak proper English His English skills seem fine to me.
Nicholas Russell
Wrote like a 6 year old? Are you actually mentally retarded?
It's known that he wrote like a 6 year old. He had no talent in writing at all. His lyrics were often nonsensical. He even said he found it difficult to write lyrics.
You don't know much about this topic so stay out , your opinion is not needed.
Levi Bell
Kurt: >mediocre musician >wrote shitty lyrics >couldn't articular his words whilst singing] >fake personality
Why is he considered a "legend" again?
Anthony Clark
Denzel curry is amazing
Parker Morales
t. commies
Blake Peterson
>>wrote shitty lyrics >>couldn't articular his words whilst singing] >>fake personality So, just like Soundcloud rap then eh?
Zachary Edwards
If you're not commie in 2019 you haven't read enough.
Caleb Clark
>He also clearly had aspergers Sauce?
>and was highly intelligent; Nah.
Logan Green
Did Kurt ever reference his drug use in his lyrics?
Even "real" xannies fuck with your brain chemistry over time.
Jace Parker
Mozart was 3 when he wrote lacrimosa
Evan Green
Mozart a bitch
Angel Price
he's an obvious shareholder
Brandon Lee
It wouldn't surprise me if he did have a lot of emotional shit going on though. Many people with depression tend to be more aware of how they look to others so they put on a happy face in public to avoid looking like a burden. The fact he talks about staying positive all the time could also indicate this, since people who know what hell it is to go through episodes will do whatever they can to overcome their condition.
Depression isn't what tumblr claims it is.
Adrian Adams
Grohl says this same shit about any flavor of the month that comes along. He said this exact same shit about Deadmaus/dubstep 10 years ago.
Anthony Taylor
probably tylo be chillin
Hudson Bennett
How dare you, take that back NOW!
Isaiah Peterson
Nah he a bich
Jace White
t. bitch zoomer
Ryder Turner
Hmm food for thought
Matthew Parker
based mark fisher
Alexander Stewart
No he's NOT, TAKE IT BACK I'M SERIOUS!
Xavier Martinez
Not to mention a lot of his lyrics seem consistent with depression: feeling anxious and paranoid all the time, feeling like you're the scum of the earth and highly inadequate, thinking everyone secretly hates you and is just trying to take advantage of you, etc.
Owen Perez
I remember only giving a 6/10 to ta13oo. I think I'm gonna have to listen to it again
yeah wow bro the legend who made like that one good song in the 90s
Josiah Davis
I hate you.
Parker Butler
They’re confused, shallow, bad taste, and stupid. It’s to do with the music, they think nirvana and kurt are the coolest music and musician ever and think everyone else thinks that too, they think that nirvana is the ‘realest’ Music that ever was and kurt the ‘realest’ musician. deep down they don’t think there is/ they can’t find the equivalent in rap/hip hop/ feel the need to look for one because they are truly unsure about the artistic merit of their own genre. It’s kinda like ‘virtue signalling’ or whatever. Their fucking PLEBS basically I could probably put it more succinctly if I thought about it for longer but I thinks that’s the basis of it. All over hip hop you’ll find references to nirvana, they can’t see past the media of it all. Plebs, really
Thomas Robinson
Denzel Curry didn't gain popularity from social media. He gained popularity because he made a sound that was unique for his time in the underground (Memphis-infused Trap music with some trillwave influences with a Lord Infamous flow) and he had a cool personality in his song. He also referenced anime and shit a lot so white people who browse Yea Forums identified with him when listening to his music.
Also, Denzel can easily speak proper English. He is not really an example of "SoundClown"
Logan Morris
where do I find his acoustic music?
Luis Gomez
okay this is epic
Aiden Lopez
this is atrocious jesus
Grayson Johnson
Kurt Kobain was Kool
Isaac Martinez
>kurt cobain >highly intelligent
>It's pretty difficult to be happy in capitalism today. cringe
Levi Reed
You guys need to remember that there are successful, signed artists that are making music right now...that are total plebs. Just remember that
Logan Perez
The logical conclusion of soundcloud rap
Joseph Morgan
exactly wtf. theyre taking his point and trying to use him as an example lmao